Dereck Chisora actually looking like a sportsman

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Shame he hasnt got the talent to back it up really. But Del Boy looks in the best condition he has ever been in





Not sure how much potential he has even though hes now in shape

I think he will beat Malik Scott though......PHYSICALLY


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Steffan

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

azania wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Don't think so kiddo..Heavies back then cleared a million bucks for defending.....

Chisora isn't defending anything.

Out of that million bucks, how much did King take?

Talk about missing the point....

Yeah. You're pointless.

azania wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

azania wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Don't think so kiddo..Heavies back then cleared a million bucks for defending.....

Chisora isn't defending anything.

Out of that million bucks, how much did King take?

Talk about missing the point....

Yeah. You're pointless.

I'll try and explain to you..........Whoever it was said that Chisora made more money than the USA heavies of the 80's.........You'll find that guys like Weaver cleared $1 million per defence back then and even with out inflation that's more than Dereck......

Now cheap jibe or explain your argument........Doesn't matter to me!!...Be a nice surprise If you choose the latter option though!! 

It's a business. Chisora puts bums on seats so he is paid accordingly.

That's rebuttal...okay!!...........I'll take it you think i'm right.. 

I do. Still pointless though:thumbsup: 

Good enough for me......and mighty white of you to admit defeat.....

I'll still respect you in the morning though......... 

Ha. Nice one.

Not sure there's a current US heavy that beats Chisora......

seanmichaels wrote:Not sure there's a current US heavy that beats Chisora......

You wrote 80s heavies...Sean Mate..

Now grovel...........Mike Weaver was a good example of someone who fought in Vegas and then went back home and kept his money.....Bit of a Jersey Joe type in that he changed from being a trialhorse into a respected heavy..........Nice guy too...

Although Az won't like him for going to SA to fight Johhny du plooy for a $400,000 purse........Jesse Jackson moaned about it but Weaver said..."Jesse Jackson doesn't pay my bills"

This should be an interesting clash! It's going the distance I reckon, unless Del really drills in the body shots like he did against Vitali, but that may actually be harder against Scott who is much more of a mover than Vitali.

I've only seen a couple of Scott fights, most notably his dominant boxing lesson over that Glazkov guy who stopped Price in the amateurs (Az: You'll have to narrow it down a bit) which was rewarded by an absolutely disgraceful robbery decision draw. He's canny, doesn't go on the front foot much, can defend with his back to the ropes.

Basically him and Del are opposites in nearly every department. Tall and lean versus short and stocky. Back foot mover vs come forward always. Precision v volume. The one department in which they're similar is power. Neither are big punchers, hence why Scott at one point had the nickname 80-72 from all the 8 rounders he shut out.

This goes against Scott as, from what I've seen, Chisora won't feel any of his shots. He walked through Vitali's for the most part and before round 5 against Haye I've never seen him hurt. The shots Haye took him down with were perfectly timed. Chisora can hurt Scott by volume alone.

I expect Scott to have the better of the first half with Chisora coming on in the second. Could be a close finish...

Or maybe Scott knocks him out in 1....

For a guy carrying siddle much unnecessary extra weight, Chisora does a pretty reasonable job of rallying late on in fights.

Ali, Holmes and Frazier all had a bit to spare when compared to Holyfield, but I'd back any of them against him to win round 15.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Ali, Holmes and Frazier all had a bit to spare when compared to Holyfield, but I'd back any of them against him to win round 15.

I thought they were superbly conditioned athletes........

They were, moreso than Holy in my opinion, however they didn't look as athletic as him. That's my point. The guy with the six pack isn't always the athlete and Chisora, despite carrying a spare layer even when he is in shape, has one of the better engines in the division. Better than Scott's, which is what is significant here as he is not as accurate as Scott and doesn't have a big power advantage.

I've just looked up the card for this event. How they justify it for Wembley Arena is anyone's guess.By my inexperienced eye, it looks terrible. I wonder how the tickets have sold!

John Bloody Wayne wrote:They were, moreso than Holy in my opinion, however they didn't look as athletic as him. That's my point. The guy with the six pack isn't always the athlete and Chisora, despite carrying a spare layer even when he is in shape, has one of the better engines in the division. Better than Scott's, which is what is significant here as he is not as accurate as Scott and doesn't have a big power advantage.

I think a number of things you have to consider when it comes to lasting the course...

1. The workrate of a fighter....
2. Can he relax in the ring. controlling.....Nervous energy etc

Bruno was better conditioned than Chisora........But he lacked the ability to take a breather...Fat guys like Tubbs, Page and Chisora could all outlast him basically because they had a better tempo and stayed within the comfort zone and could relax...

bhb001 wrote:I've just looked up the card for this event. How they justify it for Wembley Arena is anyone's guess.By my inexperienced eye, it looks terrible. I wonder how the tickets have sold!

It looked pretty good with Frampton on there, it looks a bit short now.

Think this will be the last Warren show at Wembley for a while, he doesn't really have the depth to put on a stacked card and sell it out.

He signed that Copper Box deal to get a smaller London venue.

I remember going to a Tommy Oosthuizen fight a year ago, and trying to explain to my now-ex girlfriend what the value of the IBO all-Africa title on the undercard was.

About 70 rand I imagine.

Posted on the wrong thread.. D'oh

Truss, good point with relaxing. Chisora looked less relaxed than usual against Haye and struggled more.

Nature plays a roll too though. I think Chisora's also just naturally a better long haul, high workrate fighter and Bruno's naturally a far harder hitter. All that weight lifting won't have helped Bruno's stamina though.

Sounds silly but i rate Chisora at number 4 in the world if prepared. The engine is a great point

Seanmichaels, spot on. It does sound silly.

#4? I have him six.. truth be told.
K-bot
Haye
Thompson
Povetkin
Chisora

Fury beats Chisora easily and people think Chisora is one of the best heavyweights in the world? He has lost 4 fights including to Fury.

If you lot didn't see that coming ...

winchester wrote:Fury beats Chisora easily and people think Chisora is one of the best heavyweights in the world? He has lost 4 fights including to Fury.

so insightful

He was an obese caricature of himself when he lost to Fury. Otherwise his losses include a defeat vs the Greatest HW of this era, Haye and a robbery vs Helenius.

kingraf wrote:#4? I have him six.. truth be told.
K-bot
Haye
Thompson
Povetkin
Chisora

forgot povetkin. chisora (fit) out points tony

If Chisora comes through Saturday with a win then a fight with Thompson must surely be a credible option for both parties. I would fancy Thompson to win, but it could be a good matchup.

More excuses made against Fury I see. He beat Chisora easily. He is much bigger and stronger. He is unbeaten. Theres no justification for saying Chisora is better.

winchester wrote:More excuses made against Fury I see. He beat Chisora easily. He is much bigger and stronger. He is unbeaten. Theres no justification for saying Chisora is better.

chisora has gone to bigger things petal. list both guys fights since please.

seanmichaels wrote:

winchester wrote:More excuses made against Fury I see. He beat Chisora easily. He is much bigger and stronger. He is unbeaten. Theres no justification for saying Chisora is better.

chisora has gone to bigger things petal. list both guys fights since please.

Let's hope Winchester can do the same. Not everything is a dig at Fury!! Chisora is fighting this weekend and people want to talk about him. Please leave Fury out of it for once. How do you think Chisora is going to do this weekend and, should he win, who would be a credible opponent? Try not to use the F word or the K word please!!

bhb001 wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

winchester wrote:More excuses made against Fury I see. He beat Chisora easily. He is much bigger and stronger. He is unbeaten. Theres no justification for saying Chisora is better.

chisora has gone to bigger things petal. list both guys fights since please.

Let's hope Winchester can do the same. Not everything is a dig at Fury!! Chisora is fighting this weekend and people want to talk about him. Please leave Fury out of it for once. How do you think Chisora is going to do this weekend and, should he win, who would be a credible opponent? Try not to use the F word or the K word please!!

uc you

Very funny Sha. Genuinely made me laugh

 

I guess Winchester can't rise to a challenge, eh.

I think it is very easy to look at Chisora's record and see that he has 4 defeats in 20 fights and call him a poor boxer etc. If you discect his record you will see he lost to Fury but he lost because he came into the fight massively overweight. He lost to Helenius but everyone can see he was robbed and should have won that fight. He then lost to the two best Hw's of the last 10 5 years in Haye and vitali klitschko, no shame in that.

If Fury beats Malik this saturday I really hope a fight with price is lined up because it is a fight Chisora should win.

A fight with Thompson would also be very good and I think Chisora would win because Thompson would be near to 43 for that fight and we know chisor is tough and a come forward pressure fighter. I just think thompson would not be able to ko chisora like he did to price and he thompson would tire in the 2nd half of the fight and chisora would take over.

If I was to list the top hw's

K-bots at 1 &2
Haye 3
povetkin 4
Adamek 5 (still quite high becuse since his loss to klitschko he is unbeaten including two wins against cunningham and chambers)
stirvene 6
chisora 7

bhb001 wrote:If you lot didn't see that coming ...

   

bhb001 wrote:If Chisora comes through Saturday with a win then a fight with Thompson must surely be a credible option for both parties. I would fancy Thompson to win, but it could be a good matchup.

I'd actually like to see Fury vs Thompson, whether he comes through Haye or not. If he beats Haye then TT shows how he can perform against big guys not just divisional tiddlers, and if he loses to Haye (no shame in that) then it'll show what level he's at as TT as a decent step above anything else Fury has fought in his career so far. Losing to Haye but beating TT would still put him at a very good level, 1 notch below the 3 world level guys in the division (4 if you include Povetkin).

TopHat24/7 wrote:

bhb001 wrote:If Chisora comes through Saturday with a win then a fight with Thompson must surely be a credible option for both parties. I would fancy Thompson to win, but it could be a good matchup.

I'd actually like to see Fury vs Thompson, whether he comes through Haye or not.  If he beats Haye then TT shows how he can perform against big guys not just divisional tiddlers, and if he loses to Haye (no shame in that) then it'll show what level he's at as TT as a decent step above anything else Fury has fought in his career so far.  Losing to Haye but beating TT would still put him at a very good level, 1 notch below the 3 world level guys in the division (4 if you include Povetkin).

Surely If Fury beats Haye...Thompson is a step back.........An old journeyman who beat a shocking underachiever twice!!..No thanks..

Fury beats Haye then it's a Klitty next...........Or a vacant belt scrap..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

bhb001 wrote:If Chisora comes through Saturday with a win then a fight with Thompson must surely be a credible option for both parties. I would fancy Thompson to win, but it could be a good matchup.

I'd actually like to see Fury vs Thompson, whether he comes through Haye or not.  If he beats Haye then TT shows how he can perform against big guys not just divisional tiddlers, and if he loses to Haye (no shame in that) then it'll show what level he's at as TT as a decent step above anything else Fury has fought in his career so far.  Losing to Haye but beating TT would still put him at a very good level, 1 notch below the 3 world level guys in the division (4 if you include Povetkin).

Surely If Fury beats Haye...Thompson is a step back.........An old journeyman who beat a shocking underachiever twice!!..No thanks..

Fury beats Haye then it's a Klitty next...........Or a vacant belt scrap..

I have to side with Truss on this one. There is no other option for Fury or K2 should Fury win than meet in the very next fight, preferably Vitali then Wlad should he win the first one. If he loses, a Thompson fight would be a good move for Fury if he wishes to keep fighting good opposition, but high risk as he would be risking two high profile loses in a row. I'd expect a few months licking wounds then come back against easier opposition, building from there.

See what you're saying, and agree TT is a step down from Haye or K. But I still think Fury won't have proved himself against a big strong guy. His best 3 wins in Cunnigham, Johnson and Haye will all have been against small boxers who in no way shape or form prepare him for a Klit.

He won't be able to smother a Klit, or try the dirty illegal punch he beat Cunningham with. TT is like a tune-up fight before 'the big one'.

Good point Tophat, but I would expect Fury to be charging towards Vitali at this point. He would only be accused of ducking if he didn't go down that route. Mind you, Vitali retires leaving fury and TT to fight for the vacated belt? Too many ifs really, but a possibility.

Fury even at 25 has a record comparable or better than Thompson I think. Thompson really hasnt beaten a genuinely good heavyweight.

manos de piedra wrote:Fury even at 25 has a record comparable or better than Thompson I think. Thompson really hasnt beaten a genuinely good heavyweight.

And Fury hasn't even fought one.

Plus, I was seeing this as a 'styles make fights' kind of match-up. Fury's 3 wins (if incl. Haye) are all against little guys he can boss due to his size therefore totally unhelpful prep for a K.

I want to see how he performs against a proper heavy with a proper HW's chin and punch.

 

I think Chisora, Johnson and Cunningham are slightly up on the likes of Price, Chazz Witherspoon, Owen Beck etc

I think Thompson is being a little overrated on the back of his Price wins. He would be a good match for Fury but hes old and I dont think he has the power to keep Fury on the floor.

Whilst I doubt it will happen if Fury is to beat Haye his next step will give us a decent indication of his intentions. If he wins he really does move to the front of the pack as to the next in line for one of the brothers, particularly as Povetkin is likely to be moved from the reckoning fairly soon. Can only hope we do not see him do as he did after the Chisora win and take on opponents of a lesser level.