New Edinburgh and Glasgow Teams Thread - 2013/2014

[George Carlin]

First topic message reminder :

We exhausted the other thread, so here we go with a new one for all of your pre-season banter needs.
 
1. Edinburgh   
 
Chairman: Jim Calder
CEO: Craig Docherty
Coach: Alan Solomons  
Captain: Greig Laidlaw
 
(a) Squad:
 
Props
Geoff Cross, WP Nel, Lewis Niven, Alasdair Dickinson
 
Hookers
Ross Ford, Steven Lawrie, Aleki Lutui, Alun Walker,
 
Locks
Sean Cox, Grant Gilchrist, Perry Parker, Izak van der Westhuizen, Robert McAlpine,
 
Loose Forwards
Dimitri Basilaia, David Denton, Roddy Grant, Stuart McInally, Ross Rennie, Hamish Watson,
 
Half Backs
Alex Black, Greig Laidlaw, Chris Leck, Harry Leonard, Piers Francis,
 
Centres
Ben Atiga, Ben Cairns, Nick De Luca, John Houston, Matt Scott,
 
Back Three
Tom Brown, Lee Jones, Greig Tonks, Tim Visser, Nikki Walker, Dougie Fife, Jack Cuthbert
 
(b) Transfers 2013/2014:
 
Players In
 
Nikki Walker from Worcester Warriors
Jack Cuthbert from Bath Rugby
Aleki Lutui from Worcester Warriors
Alasdair Dickinson from Sale Sharks
 
Players Out
 
Richie Rees to Newport Gwent Dragons
Netani Talei to Newport Gwent Dragons
Sep Visser released
Mike Penn to Moseley
Andy Titterrell to London Welsh
John Yapp to London Irish
Allan Jacobsen retired
James King retired
Steven Turnbull retired
 
(c) Elite Development Players 2013/2014:
 
Alex Allan (Edinburgh Accies)
Chris Auld (Gala)*
Magnus Bradbury (Boroughmuir)*
Phil Cringle (Heriot’s)
Bruce Dick (Melrose)*
Jamie Farndale (Edinburgh Accies)
Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Heriot’s)
Neil Irvine Hess (Watsonians)*
Ewan McQuillin (Gala)*
George Turner (Heriot’s)
Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Accies)
 
* = new EDP player 
 
2. Glasgow  
 
Chairman: Charles Shaw
CEO: Nathan Bomrys
Coach: Gregor Townsend
Captain: Alastair Kellock
 
(a) Squad:
 
Fraser Brown, Hooker
Finlay Gillies, Hooker
Dougie Hall, Hooker
Pat MacArthur, Hooker
Michael Cusack, Prop
Ryan Grant, Prop
Ed Kalman, Prop
Moray Low, Prop
Gordon Reid, Prop
Jon Welsh, Prop
Jerry Yanuyanutawa, Prop
 
Jonny Gray, Lock
Alastair Kellock, Lock
Tom Ryder, Lock
Tim Swinson, Lock
Leone Nakarawa, Lock
 
James Eddie, Flanker
Chris Fusaro, Flanker
Rob Harley, Flanker
Tyrone Holmes, Flanker
 
Ryan Wilson, Number 8
Richie Vernon, Number 8
Josh Strauss, Number 8
 
Chris Cusiter, Scrum-half
Nikola Matawalu, Scrum-half
Henry Pyrgos, Scrum-half
 
Ruaridh Jackson, Fly-half
Duncan Weir, Fly-half
Scott Wight, Fly-half
 
Gabriel Ascarate, Centre
Mark Bennett, Centre
Alex Dunbar, Centre
Peter Horne, Centre
Byron McGuigan, Centre
 
Sean Lamont, Wing
Sean Maitland, Wing
Tommy Seymour, Wing
D.T.H. van der Merwe, Wing
 
Stuart Hogg, Fullback
Peter Murchie, Fullback
 
(b) Player Transfers 2013/2014:
 
Players In
 
Richie Vernon from Sale Sharks
Tyrone Holmes from Petrarca Rugby
Jerry Yanuyanutawa from London Irish
Gabriel Ascarate from US Carcassonne
Leone Nakarawa from Fiji Barbarians
 
Players Out
 
John Barclay to Scarlets
Nick Campbell to Jersey
Ofa Fainga'anuku to Worcester Warriors
Taylor Paris to Agen
Graeme Morrison retired
Rory Lamont retired
 
(c) Elite Development Players 2013/2014:
 
Gavin Lowe (Ayr)
Rory Hughes (Stirling County)
Jack Steele (Dundee)
Finn Russell (Ayr)
Ali Price (Bedford Blues)
Adam Ashe (Stirling County)
Will Bordill (Sale Sharks)
Andrew Redmayne (Dundee)
Fergus Scott (Currie)
George Hunter (Ayr)
Darcy Rae (Ayr)

[nickj]

When are they meant to be announcing this new signing again?

[tigertattie]

We'll give you 2 locks if you give us struass!

[Dorothy_Mantooth]

Its a 2nd Row,  Fijian International, Leone Nakarawa can cover backrow as well.  2 year deal. Played for Fiji at XVs and for their 7s team.

[Captain_Sensible]

Decent signing by the looks of things. Adds depth at lock, and being Fijian he'll fit in nicely to Glasgow's all-action attacking style.

[VinceWLB]

Glad it's a second row, but still short there in comparison to Edinburgh but who isn't  

[RDW]

What height / weight is he?

[Captain_Sensible]

What height / weight is he?

6'6'', 17 stone something. Covers back row too. 'Mobile' might be the best description for him.

[tigertattie]

I wonder if Edinburgh will ever get a new 6 or 8!!!

Something I've never thought of before! Does Rugby have a "transfer window" like fluffball?

[George Carlin]

According to Toonie they've been tracking him for a while. Just turned 25, 19 caps for Fiji, World Cup experience and a big, rangy unit. He will definitely add something different. This is his first pro contract (like Niko) so he'll be raring to go.

Hopefully he can be a Talei v.2.0.

2 year deal sounds about right.

That's'3 Fijian Wegians now. Loving it.

[RDW]

Glasgow have got plenty mobile, athletic 2nd rows – can’t help but think they could do with a 6ft 7 18.5st bruiser in there!

[Captain_Sensible]

Glasgow have got plenty mobile, athletic 2nd rows – can’t help but think they could do with a 6ft 7 18.5st bruiser in there!

Swinson's pretty bruisy. He's 6'5'' and 18-odd stone. With guys like Strauss in the backrow, the need for brick Poopie locks is kind of reduced.

[Captain_Sensible]

Ah, forgot about the auto-censor.

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Excellent signing - thankfully none of the Embra dud 2nd rows - I was worried for a while mind you !

[IanBru]

I'm pretty happy with this - we don't have huge depth at 2nd row, and managed last year purely because the only lock we lost consistently to Scotland was Kellock, and because we didn't suffer any major injuries there.

I can't expect us to be as lucky with injury this term, and Swinson is probably the incumbant second row starter after the SA tour, along with Kellock on the bench. Ryder is probably on a par with Gilchrist for an injury call up.

[justified sinner]

Don't think Swinson will start if everyone fit, but will be in the squad and may bench, either way will be unavailable, but that's not going to have a big impact if he doesn't play. Also think Ryder will be nowhere near the team.

[George Carlin]

Hope to hell after the quadrangular that Johnson sees the best Scottish lock combo is Gray and Swinson because I'm fed up with Big Al's ongoing and detailed ruck forensics and Jim Hamilton being unable to run the length of himself after 60 minutes, only to get frustrated and tw@t an opposing forward.

Modern locks for the modern game.

[Tramptastic]

Hope to hell after the quadrangular that Johnson sees the best Scottish lock combo is Gray and Swinson because I'm fed up with Big Al's ongoing and detailed ruck forensics and Jim Hamilton being unable to run the length of himself after 60 minutes, only to get frustrated and tw@t an opposing forward.

Modern locks for the modern game.

I agree, also cannot stand the thought of Gilchrist starting ahead of Swinson for Scotland - such a vast difference with intensity of play!

[EST]

Well, I am pretty happy with that signing. We were short on a 2nd row, it would have been a lot to have asked Jonny Gray to play such a big part this season.

What I like about the forward signings this season is that there is a definite pattern - all mobile athletes, especially Vernon and Nakarawa. You can see that Townsend is buying players to fit into a wider plan, plenty more high octane stuff from the Warriors!

[EST]

On a slightly different note, who are the existing players from Edinburgh and Glasgow that people want to see really push on and have a big season from; and what do those players need to do to get there?

I'll start with Bob Harley. A brick wall of gingerness in defence, but very ineffective going forward,  he is one of those players that is caught somewhere in the middle between blindside and second row.  This season will see even more competition for the no.6 shirt, with: Vernon, Bluto, Holmes and Harley all able to play there.  He needs to add more dynamism to his game, and offer more ball carrying threat going forward or I can see him being overtaken for the big games.

[Captain_Sensible]

@EST

Agreed on Harley. His ball-carrying needs to improve significantly.

I'd like to see Duncan Weir get an injury-free run in the side and establish himself as Scotland's top fly half. He's got the talent, but his game time has been limited through various crocks and knocks. His running game looks to be improving, and we all know how good he is with his boot.

[RDW]

On a slightly different note, who are the existing players from Edinburgh and Glasgow that people want to see really push on and have a big season from; and what do those players need to do to get there?

I'll start with Bob Harley. A brick wall of gingerness in defence, but very ineffective going forward,  he is one of those players that is caught somewhere in the middle between blindside and second row.  This season will see even more competition for the no.6 shirt, with: Vernon, Bluto, Holmes and Harley all able to play there.  He needs to add more dynamism to his game, and offer more ball carrying threat going forward or I can see him being overtaken for the big games.  

From Edinburgh:

Nick De Luca

He generally is one of Edinburgh’s better players over the course of a season, but he is in danger of finishing his career being known for being good, but not great, and prone to the occasional brain fart we all know and love. At 28/29 he should be in his prime – I’d love to see him go from being a good Edinburgh player to being one of the top 13s in the league. I know he has it in him, he just needs the consistency and no more stupid mistakes that ruin his reputation! He’s had a full pre-season for the first time in years so he should be in the best shape of his life

Matt Scott

He was outstanding last year, one of Scotland’s top performers. He was in and out of the Edinburgh team last year a bit with injury and unavailability, but when he did play he was one of our better performers. Although this is his 3rd season as a pro, last year was his real breakthrough year so I hope he doesn’t suffer 2nd season syndrome – aka Lee Jones syndrome – and goes on to become one of Scotland’s all-time great 12s. He’s definitely got it in him, and it’s got to start from his performances for Edinburgh.

Dave Denton

The least said about last season the better. He’s got a lot of reputation re-building to do as a player, and I hope he’s learned from his mistakes. He is still young so maybe we expected too much from him last year, but he’s now got little competition at Edinburgh and needs to put solid performances in for his club before he starts thinking about Lions tour stardom.


There are many more, but I think these guys are the key 3. If all of them have strong seasons for Edinburgh then it will set the team up nicely to do well this year.

[Captain_Sensible]

"and prone to the occasional brain fart we all know and love."

Speak for yourself.

[funnyExiledScot]

Agree with those three RDW. The Scott/De Luca partnership is going to be key for us this season. If those two get to play consistently as a partnership, I think we'll see a massive improvement on last season. When De Luca plays well Visser plays well, and when that happens we score in increments of 7 rather than 3.

A big issue for Scott last season was being shunted to 13. He doesn't have the pace to play at 13 and playing outside Laidlaw, Francis and Atiga can't have been fun. Slow and predictable ball. When used properly at 12, as he was with Scotland in the summer, he is an outstanding international quality inside centre.

The player I'd add to the list is Ross Ford. When he plays well and throws straight, there are few better hookers on the circuit. An extra flanker in the loose and a great ball carrier. Big tackler as well. So out of sorts last season, Steven Lawrie probably finished last season as our top hooker.

[tigertattie]

For me its this!
Grant needs to continue with his new found form and continue improving like he has been
Ross FDord needs to get his finger out big time.  He needs to sort his throwing out and get back to his Lion selection playing ability or he will be seriously under threat! Also on the hooker front, Pat MacArthur needs to get to a place where he can serious challenge for the starting shirt.
One of our Tightheads needs to find some Grant like form.  If Euan Murray is not going to recapture his previous from, then someone else is going to have to step up
I think Grey is getting his hunger back at 2nd row.  He and Swinson could be the future partnership.  Swinson needs to continue where he left off to nail his colours to the mast!
In back row we need a fully fit and on form Ross Rennie for the season.  John Barclay could be reinvigorated by his move to baabaaland which could only be a good thing.
We need Captain Kelly to playing at 6 for club and country. Rob Harley needs a big season for the Weedge and work on his attacking game to put his hand up as understudy for the role in the future.
At 8, we need Denton to get his head together. If he does not shape up, he gets shipped out.  Beattie and Wilson are tow different types of players. Both need good seasons and they could be used alternatly depending on the game we want to employ.
9!!! We need Cusiter to get fit and stay fit or retire and move into punditary. Laidlaw needs to go back to being the Burgh 9 and work on getting his form back in tis position.
Meatball needs a good consistant season at 10 for the duck egg blue boys.  I also still have high hopes for Heathcote for the future.  I still say moving him to Edinburgh would do him the world of good.
All rise for Sir Matt of Scott.  He needs to continue as he is and he will develope into some 12 for Edinburgh and Scotland!
13? Bennett? For me this is it, Bennett needs to start living up to his hype and show us what he can do.  If he can't then I'd like to see Dunbar playing at 13 for the weedge.  He and Scott seem to make a good pairing for Scotland!
Timothy "the tackle machine" Visser needs to sort his defense out.
Maitland needs to learn from his Lions adventure and start tearing it up on the wing
Hogg, keep going as he is.

ok ok.  Some of these boys ar enot in edinburgh or glasgow, so sue me!

[George Carlin]

The correct names have already been mentioned.

Denton clearly started drinking his own Kool Aid last season and forgot that being a loose forward is about more than hanging about looking for glory carries. I get the sense that a Solomons size 10 up his backside and some tactical guidance is all he needs. He is not the incumbent Scottish 6 or 8 at the moment and he has to know it. It is critical to Scotland he comes back.

I am both sorry for Ford for missing the Lions tour and tired of making excuses for him. With that physique he shouldn't be scared of anyone and he now has to regard himself as a senior club player. He doesn't strike me as captain material and I think needs to get back to focusing on his game.

Matt Scott has all the attributes to be the best Scottish centre since Tait or Hastings and we're starting to see flashes of it now. He is my quiet pick to be player of this Six Nations. Scot Johnson has said he hasn't worked with a midfield back more talented - Scott just needs to believe it himself. Again, I expect Solomons to develop him.

Ross Rennie. Am genuinely fearful that Scotland's'finest 7 of his generation could never get the spotlight he deserves because of injuries. He has got to look after his body and the spirit of McLaren willing, he will regain his former powers.

[RDW]

A guy at my work saw Ross Rennie in a bar recently - he's apparently looking fit and strong anyway!

Been trying to spot him on some of the recent training videos released from Edinburgh - see if he is actually back training.

[tigertattie]

He saw Rennie in a bar?

Good lord! Don't tell the Welsh or they will start with their "I saw Jerry Collins in a bar" routine!

I think GC is being a bit unfair to say Rennie needs to "look after his body" I think part of the reason Rennie gets injured is because he just dives in without regard of his own saftey.  It is this "bravery" that makes him the player he is!

[funnyExiledScot]

Agree with Tattie on this. Rennie plays like a maniac and that's what makes him a great player. I think he just needs to get lucky to be honest.

Should be a great three-way contest for the Scotland 7 jersey, with Fusaro, Rennie and Barclay all presumably getting 1st XV rugby this season. With Watson at Edinburgh and Bordill at Glasgow, the next generation of fetchers are in the right place as well.

[RDW]

Getting off topic, but the 7 situation does raise the question of what happens with Kelly Brown in the Autumn?

SJ likes to pick based on how the players did in their last run out, so on that basis he is probably going to want to pick Strokosh.

If Rennie/Barclay are playing in form for their clubs, surely he can't pick Brown at 7??

[Majestic83]

Just read on planet rugby John Yapp has left Edinburgh to join London Irish on a season long loan deal!

Not the biggest fan of his but it does mean Edinburgh are now very understrength at prop. Surely there must be at least a couple of props on their way.

I am guessing that Solomons is bringing someone from South Africa and that is why they have found Yapp a move somewhere else.

[RDW]

Unless there's at least 2 new LH props coming in immediately that makes absolutely no sense. With Hislop injured we now have 1 fit LH - Dickinson, plus some 18 year old academy players.

Maybe one of our 5 hookers or 8 second rows could play there...

[Majestic83]

makes no sense at all unless there is announcement today or tomorrow about some new props on their way. Hislop is injured long term and alex allan is injured as well after breaking his leg so really short on the front row department.
Maybe they have a masterplan of switching Ford to LH prop to accomodate McInally?!

[RDW]

makes no sense at all unless there is announcement today or tomorrow about some new props on their way. Hislop is injured long term and alex allan is injured as well after breaking his leg so really short on the front row department.
Maybe they have a masterplan of switching Ford Atiga to LH prop

Fixed that for you  

The other thing is I'd be very surprised if they could get a new LH of a similar caliber as Yapp.  Other than Shiells (who has another year on his contract) there are no Scottish LH available, so it will have to be a NSQ player anyway.  Yapp had his flaws at International level but is a very good Rabbo standard LH.

Can't fathom it.

[funnyExiledScot]

Very surprised to hear about Yapp. The Edinburgh coaches must really not rate him.

Clearly Ali Dickinson is going to have to play a lot of rugby. I really hope we can get our hands on Greg Shiells, that would be a good solution. More likely we are getting Kyle Traynor back.

Fingers crossed that Solomons has a few contacts he can use to get us a Nel equivalent on the loosehead side. I have big hopes for Alex Allan ultimately, but (a) he's injured, and (b) it's too soon to be relying on him to play regular Rabo rugby.

On the flanker situation, I'd be extremely disappointed were Kelly Brown to continue at 7 with Rennie, Fusaro or Barclay fit. I think we need a specialist in that specialist position, and if Brown can't get the 6 jersey from Strokosch (and Strokosch was outstanding in the summer), then he should go to the bench.

We now have backs that can play rugby, but there's only so much the backs can do without proper support and link play from the forwards. That requires mobility in the pack overall, but most importantly a specialist 7 who can get to the breakdown quickly and secure the ball. Watching Hooper vs McCaw at the weekend was a masterclass in openside play. We must have a proper 7.

[AsLongAsBut100ofUs]

Very surprised to hear about Yapp. The Edinburgh coaches must really not rate him.

Clearly Ali Dickinson is going to have to play a lot of rugby. I really hope we can get our hands on Greg Shiells, that would be a good solution. More likely we are getting Kyle Traynor back.

Fingers crossed that Solomons has a few contacts he can use to get us a Nel equivalent on the loosehead side. I have big hopes for Alex Allan ultimately, but (a) he's injured, and (b) it's too soon to be relying on him to play regular Rabo rugby.

On the flanker situation, I'd be extremely disappointed were Kelly Brown to continue at 7 with Rennie, Fusaro or Barclay fit. I think we need a specialist in that specialist position, and if Brown can't get the 6 jersey from Strokosch (and Strokosch was outstanding in the summer), then he should go to the bench.

We now have backs that can play rugby, but there's only so much the backs can do without proper support and link play from the forwards. That requires mobility in the pack overall, but most importantly a specialist 7 who can get to the breakdown quickly and secure the ball. Watching Hooper vs McCaw at the weekend was a masterclass in openside play. We must have a proper 7.

I think his brother Grant is better

[tigertattie]

I'd pick Brown at six over Strocks! Shame on Strocks due to his summer performance, but up until Brown got injured he was still Scotlands best (most consistent) player.  Brown and Scott for Scotland player of the 6n's last time round I say!

Back to club stuff

Solomons must surely have some players joining him at Edinburgh or the burgh bench will be very, very short of numbers come mid season!

[funnyExiledScot]

I think his brother Grant is better

Well spotted. Full marks to you sir.

[funnyExiledScot]

I'd pick Brown at six over Strocks! Shame on Strocks due to his summer performance, but up until Brown got injured he was still Scotlands best (most consistent) player.

I'd agree at present, but after the summer it isn't a foregone conclusion. Brown is generally more consistent, but it's been some time since I've seen a Scotland forward play as well individually as Strokosch did against South Africa. He really was excellent.

We all rate Brown highly and rightly so, but no player's place in the side is guaranteed, regardless of reputation.

[jimbopip]

On a slightly different note, who are the existing players from Edinburgh and Glasgow that people want to see really push on and have a big season from; and what do those players need to do to get there?

I'll start with Bob Harley. A brick wall of gingerness in defence, but very ineffective going forward,  he is one of those players that is caught somewhere in the middle between blindside and second row.  This season will see even more competition for the no.6 shirt, with: Vernon, Bluto, Holmes and Harley all able to play there.  He needs to add more dynamism to his game, and offer more ball carrying threat going forward or I can see him being overtaken for the big games.  

From Edinburgh:

Nick De Luca

He generally is one of Edinburgh’s better players over the course of a season, but he is in danger of finishing his career being known for being good, but not great, and prone to the occasional brain fart we all know and love. At 28/29 he should be in his prime – I’d love to see him go from being a good Edinburgh player to being one of the top 13s in the league.  I know he has it in him, he just needs the consistency and no more stupid mistakes that ruin his reputation! He’s had a full pre-season for the first time in years so he should be in the best shape of his life

Matt Scott

He was outstanding last year, one of Scotland’s top performers.  He was in and out of the Edinburgh team last year a bit with injury and unavailability, but when he did play he was one of our better performers. Although this is his 3rd season as a pro, last year was his real breakthrough year so I hope he doesn’t suffer 2nd season syndrome – aka Lee Jones syndrome – and goes on to become one of Scotland’s all-time great 12s.  He’s definitely got it in him, and it’s got to start from his performances for Edinburgh.

Dave Denton

The least said about last season the better.  He’s got a lot of reputation re-building to do as a player, and I hope he’s learned from his mistakes. He is still young so maybe we expected too much from him last year, but he’s now got little competition at Edinburgh and needs to put solid performances in for his club before he starts thinking about Lions tour stardom.


There are many more, but I think these guys are the key 3.  If all of them have strong seasons for Edinburgh then it will set the team up nicely to do well this year.

RDW, just off the plane from yooessay so forgive me if this doesn't make too much sense.
EST picks out Harley, still a developing youngster who has a part of his game to work on BUT still makes a huge contribution every time he pulls on the jersey whether for the Warriors or Scotland. RDW, your picks include two very senior players who are more or less the finished article. If the MFL are looking to Ford and De Luca to push on then you're pretty much Friar Tucked before the season starts. That said I really want Matt Scott to continue progressing then we could see a polytheistic midfield at Murrayfield.  
By the by.... Who's up for Warriors v City Posh Boys on Saturday? Failing that advice on boozers near t'Stoop.
Did you miss me? Yeah when I was away?
Did you hang my picture... Oh wait we can't sing that any more can we? 

[tigertattie]

We all rate Brown highly and rightly so, but no player's place in the side is guaranteed, regardless of reputation.

Quite right FES but I'd say brown was not living on rep but proven recent performance!

Picking Strocker on he back of one game is a bit, meh!

Unfortuantly there are two versions of him that can turn up.  He is either on fire like he was against Biltongs buddies or he goes annonymous! The thing with Strocks is he is much like Rob Harley.  If the other team have the ball and you are tackling all day then he shines.  Going forward though he is not as effective.
If Strocks can put a string of 2 or 3 games together where he plays out his skin again then fair play, get him in there.  But I don't think he has done enough as yet to warrent selection over Brown!

[AsLongAsBut100ofUs]

J-pip, welcome back. The best boozers to be found nearby are in Richmond, but there are several decent bars in the ground itself selling a decent pint of - also recommended is Olly Kohn's sausage place in the north car park

[funnyExiledScot]

The thing with Strocks is he is much like Rob Harley.  If the other team have the ball and you are tackling all day then he shines.  Going forward though he is not as effective.

I agree on the consistency point being an issue, but I'd disagree that Stroksoch can't carry with ball in hand in attack. I'd say he's become pretty decent in that department. Good news for Harley, as it's something Strokosch never really had to his game, but has been able to develop at Glaws and now Perpignan.

[funnyExiledScot]

I should also say welcome back Mr Jimbo Pip.

Schizoid was so lost without you he's been recently sighted at the Edinburgh Book Festival in a Barbour jacket with two springer spaniels in tow.....

[AsLongAsBut100ofUs]

[tigertattie]

I should also say welcome back Mr Jimbo Pip.

Schizoid was so lost without you he's been recently sighted at the Edinburgh Book Festival in a Barbour jacket with two springer spaniels in tow.....

And ASBO was following in close proximity wearing a deer stalker hat, a tweed jacket with leather elbow patches, plus fours and a rather fetching pair of brown brogues while gentley puffing on mohoganny pipe!

[jimbopip]

I should also say welcome back Mr Jimbo Pip.

Schizoid was so lost without you he's been recently sighted at the Edinburgh Book Festival in a Barbour jacket with two springer spaniels in tow.....

I think you'll find they are actually two sisters from sunny Govan who perform a rather interesting act with a musical saw and Harry Lauder's back catalogue.

[funnyExiledScot]

 

Now you mention it, those collars probably could pass for skirts in Glasgow!

[tigertattie]

the more I think about it, the more I realise that we really do talk some pish on here

[Captain_Sensible]

the more I think about it, the more I realise that we really do talk some pish on here

Rest assured, you're not alone in that.

[jimbopip]

the more I think about it, the more I realise that we really do talk some pish on here

Rest assured, you're not alone in that.

Thinking or talking pish? Thinking about talking pish? Thinking about talking pish on here?
By the way; eldest son having spent his debut season as a winger in the Dewey mould (6ft 5in and solid- not a tropical disease of the nether regions) has spent pre-season being told he is now "the mobile second row" which begs the question: is our coach a genius or is Toonie (only 2% Muppet now according to Schiz) operating at our level?

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