Scotland's new kit - grand reveal at noon

by GLove39 Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:32 am

First topic message reminder :

Well today's the day ladies and gentlemen, Scotland's new home and away kits are going to be released, time to find out what Macron are really like. So figured we'll need a thread where we can come over all Gok Wang and critically asses the stylistic merits...

From the teaser images the SRU have shared on twitter we know that the home kit is the standard dark blue / navy and similarly the away is the traditional white. The latter is a relief as I'd had nightmares that Macro might have tried to copy the orange monstrosity from 1999 http://www.talksport.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/ts_magazine_big_picture/51501216.jpg

So hopefully the new kits will be decent and won't feature fools gold trim as was the case with our last home strip or neon yellow and red sleeves http://www.rbs6nations.com/images/galleries/73410834.jpg

If Macron produce something like the 2006 shirt or the 2010 shirt I'll be very happy...

by bluestonevedder Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:14 pm

Effervescing Elephant wrote:
bluestonevedder wrote:
Effervescing Elephant wrote:
Riskysports wrote:
tigertattie wrote:Looks fine to me. I just wish they didn't have the annoying flappy collar! I've enjoyed the last few years of not having to iron any rugby jerseys but those days are passed now and in the past they must remain

Eh! Ironing!

i thought the same thing. Who irons their rugby tops???

I assumed that's what Nick DeLuca was there for?

I see what you did there!

Really nice new kit btw Scottish peoples.

Required all my brain power on this warm and exhausting day

by **George Carlin** Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:14 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Some of those purple headed warriors in the photos look like proper knob ends.

Kia - I totally get you brother. We just don't really call them 'phw's' over here.

by Pat_Mustard Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:15 pm

I am pleasantly surprised, this is the nicest kit we've had since... I don't even know when! Since before they got rid of the old cotton jerseys anyway! It's definitely the crap strips that have been holding us back, grand slam here we come!

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:16 pm

IanBru wrote:Kia, I'm having trouble grasping hold of what you're saying... Or maybe I just don't want to.

I wash my hands of this hole encounter.

Don't worry. You're not the first one to be intimidated. Very Happy

What do you call them then GC? Purple thistles with a big Tinkywinky on the end?

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:17 pm

What's wrong with prickle's littler cousin?

by doctor_grey Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:16 pm

I think they look great. All they need to do is eliminate this stupid stretchy fabric which makes it hard to scrummage properly and improve the collar. Let's say they make the jersey out of tough cotton with a little leeway around the waist for the props. Then we have an ultimate winner.

Otherwise they still look good, but........

by **profitius** Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:59 pm

Big improvement on the last jersey!

by bsando Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:48 pm

I loved the last Canterbury top, but this new one looks good too. Reminds me of my first Scotland top given to me as a small child (except it has sponsors logo's all over it). Could be a lot lot worse.

by GLove39 Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:59 am

Just had a look on the SRU website and seen the prices for the new top Shocked

The home replica shirt, the main one intended for fans costs a whopping £60! Now it's been a few years since I last bought a top, but I thought the replica fan one always retailed at £50. A 20% increase, especially in these tough times seems rather over the top.

by **George Carlin** Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:19 am

Tis a lot pennies Graham but unforunately the £80/£60 options are exactly the same price points as Canterbury is producing now. Identical to those on the Leicester Tigers and England website for their new season's kit.

I always end up with something in their leisure range anyway rathern than an actual national shirt. That, plus plenty of Glasgow kit.

by **RDW** Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:57 am

80 quid for the proper top - absolutely ridiculous.

by **RDW** Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:07 am

Actually the more I think about this the more it really pees me off. £80 for a Macron rugby top?? Even the £60 version is a hell of a lot of money.

It just beggars belief that someone from the SRU went to a meeting with Macron where they said “we would like to sell your top for £80” and the SRU guy said “yes, that sounds like a good idea!”

I’m not marketing expert but surely £60 and £40 for the two alternatives would completely outsell the £80 / £60 versions – probably making more money, and meaning that there are more total shirts sold so the sponsors are happy.

Really can’t believe it someone thought £80 was a good idea. Or do I just not understand marketing??

by R!skysports Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:26 am

bluestonevedder wrote:
Effervescing Elephant wrote:
Riskysports wrote:
tigertattie wrote:Looks fine to me. I just wish they didn't have the annoying flappy collar! I've enjoyed the last few years of not having to iron any rugby jerseys but those days are passed now and in the past they must remain

Eh! Ironing!

i thought the same thing. Who irons their rugby tops???

I assumed that's what Nick DeLuca was there for?

He was, until he dropped the iron, then had a brain fart and decided to answer the 'phone' while ironing. He now looks like the baddy in home alone

by R!skysports Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:29 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Actually the more I think about this the more it really pees me off. £80 for a Macron rugby top?? Even the £60 version is a hell of a lot of money.

It just beggars belief that someone from the SRU went to a meeting with Macron where they said “we would like to sell your top for £80” and the SRU guy said “yes, that sounds like a good idea!”

I’m not marketing expert but surely £60 and £40 for the two alternatives would completely outsell the £80 / £60 versions – probably making more money, and meaning that there are more total shirts sold so the sponsors are happy.

Really can’t believe it someone thought £80 was a good idea. Or do I just not understand marketing??

I am in Marketing (hence why time to write on here) and it is such a short sighted money grabbing strategy

by **RDW** Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:32 am

What would you do if you were in charge of it Risky? Am I right in thinking that cheaper shirts would mean more tops sold, probably more money made in the long term and happier sponsors?

by R!skysports Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:02 am

Top of my head

I would have three shirts

1 - the professional top, but on limited run - at £80 - £100. Each one with an individual production run number and part of an exclusive group. If you are paying that much, then you want it to be special and one that not everyone will have - potential that if you buy this you get a membership to a club, and get options on early tickets, emails etc

2 - Core fans top - this is the mass, good quality top that fans will buy, wear to matches, and generally use most - pitch it at a price point that will make it move - £30. Get the brand out there, increase numbers, have people feel they can afford to give it to kids, friends etc as presents - make sure it is beer proof - (not figure hugging)

3 - Cheap as chips - this is the 't-shirt' version - looks good, but a t-shirt - can be used on hot days - doing the BBQ etc. While looks good and will not look out of place at the ground, will more likely be for the occasional fans. Will also be priced to stop knock offs being sold which helps no-one

by **George Carlin** Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:20 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Actually the more I think about this the more it really pees me off. £80 for a Macron rugby top?? Even the £60 version is a hell of a lot of money.

It just beggars belief that someone from the SRU went to a meeting with Macron where they said “we would like to sell your top for £80” and the SRU guy said “yes, that sounds like a good idea!”

I’m not marketing expert but surely £60 and £40 for the two alternatives would completely outsell the £80 / £60 versions – probably making more money, and meaning that there are more total shirts sold so the sponsors are happy.

Really can’t believe it someone thought £80 was a good idea. Or do I just not understand marketing??

Macron have paid a shedload to get the shirt rights and need to recoup the money somehow. Simples, unfortunately. Canterbury are also no saints in this respect. Wouldn't know how much an UnderArmour test Welsh shirt or a Puma Irish test shirt is for comparison purposes.

How much is a top end Rangers or Celtic top? That's probably a better comparison.

by IanBru Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:25 am

The new Rangers shirt would set you back around £45, plus a piece of your soul.

by **RDW** Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:33 am

George Carlin wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Actually the more I think about this the more it really pees me off. £80 for a Macron rugby top?? Even the £60 version is a hell of a lot of money.

It just beggars belief that someone from the SRU went to a meeting with Macron where they said “we would like to sell your top for £80” and the SRU guy said “yes, that sounds like a good idea!”

I’m not marketing expert but surely £60 and £40 for the two alternatives would completely outsell the £80 / £60 versions – probably making more money, and meaning that there are more total shirts sold so the sponsors are happy.

Really can’t believe it someone thought £80 was a good idea. Or do I just not understand marketing??
Macron have paid a shedload to get the shirt rights and need to recoup the money somehow. Simples, unfortunately. Canterbury are also no saints in this respect. Wouldn't know how much an UnderArmour test Welsh shirt or a Puma Irish test shirt is for comparison purposes.

How much is a top end Rangers or Celtic top? That's probably a better comparison.

Be that as it may, it doesn't make much sense to me to out-price a large proportion of the target market (students, skint grads like me, families, regular punters, people whose daddies don’t own half of Berkshire).

Also with regards to football tops, yes they probably are comparable but that doesn’t make it right. Could it not be an opportunity to provide a cheaper – yet high quality – alternative so fans of both sports might chose the Scotland rugby top over a Celtic shirt that looks identical to the last one?

by **George Carlin** Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:13 am

RDW - isn't that what the leisure range is for? I'm not suggesting that these prices are justified but obviously it is deemed by some bean counter that the market supports shirts at that price point. It's like the old pharmaceutical argument: the second pill cost tuppence to make, the first pill cost £150 million. I have no doubt that all of the tech that allegedly does into these pro shirts makes them much more 'clever' than my old 1990 shirt. It's just that (your point) this is not the reason that I buy it.

I guess I just always prefer regular t-shirts or micro fleeces from their range. It doesn't have to be the actual national shirt for me. Although I appreciate that if you have young kids, it kind of has to be what they see the players wearing for them.

by GLove39 Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:33 am

Well at £60 / £80, I'll be sticking with my 2008 shirt. Grown to love those weird bits of mesh on it. And despite getting it when I was 14, still a decent fit.

by **George Carlin** Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:10 pm

Can all Scottish posters still in shape/like a whippet please stop posting this information here. It makes the rest of us feel old.

by **RDW** Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:20 pm

George Carlin wrote:Can all Scottish posters still in shape/like a whippet please stop posting this information here. It makes the rest of us feel old.

How come us young whippets have to go and you old fatties stay?? boxing

I class myself as a young whippet, but in reality I'm in the dangerous middle ground just now! Stop doing exercise and my jeans start to get a little tighter...

by IanBru Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:22 pm

Sorry GC, if its any consolation, I'm eating Rivita as I type this.

by kiakahaaotearoa Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Or maybe it's just time to buy some new jeans RDW. If you bought them at the same time as Glove bought his jersey, it's unrealistic to think they'll still fit.

I need to invest in a new NZ jersey. The colour on my old one, actually given to me by a Scottish mate, has faded to the extent that it looks like an AB jersey as in A Brownish jersey. 85 euros the new one which blessedly does not have AIG over it. I will invest in it eventually but the price does not sit well with me.

That said, at least you have a shirt you're happy with. Some of the options in the OP were truly hideous.

by **RDW** Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:31 pm

IanBru wrote:Sorry GC, if its any consolation, I'm eating Rivita as I type this.

Jeez what's happening to the modern man - first tigertattie complains about ironing his rugby shirt now you're eating Rivita??

I'm just heading out to down 5 pints of beer and get in a fight. Grrrrr.

by **George Carlin** Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:18 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Can all Scottish posters still in shape/like a whippet please stop posting this information here. It makes the rest of us feel old.

How come us young whippets have to go and you old fatties stay?? .

Because we're generally too fat to get out of our chairs. Can you get us another custard cream whilst you're up?

by R!skysports Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:23 pm

George Carlin wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Can all Scottish posters still in shape/like a whippet please stop posting this information here. It makes the rest of us feel old.

How come us young whippets have to go and you old fatties stay?? .
Because we're generally too fat to get out of our chairs. Can you get us another custard cream whilst you're up?

Because it is us old fatties that pay for you young uns to get into trouble. In my day..... angel

by R!skysports Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:24 pm

So after my extensive marketing plan to sell more shirts, no-one purchased any

Seems the SRU have it right then

by Guest Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:27 pm

Really nice shirt, how refreshing to see a manufacturer not go for a gimmick stlye and actually get the kit 'right'. Is this going to be the kit you wear in the '15 WC?

by funnyExiledScot Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:33 pm

£80 seems steep to me, and I very much doubt I'll get the benefit of the imbedded "technology" in the material, unless it somehow deals with beer spillage and misc. stains.....

by funnyExiledScot Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:34 pm

miaow wrote:Really nice shirt, how refreshing to see a manufacturer not go for a gimmick stlye and actually get the kit 'right'. Is this going to be the kit you wear in the '15 WC?

I think so, assume we'll be wearing it for all three games......

by tigertattie Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:11 pm

I like ironing

by tigertattie Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:11 pm

and cross stitch

by **George Carlin** Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:50 pm

tigertattie wrote:I like it when my girlfriend does my ironing

Fewf - that was close. No charge for that correction there, fella.

by kiakahaaotearoa Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:44 pm

George Carlin wrote:
tigertattie wrote:I like it when my girlfriend does my ironing
Fewf - that was close. No charge for that correction there, fella.

I like it when my maid does the ironing naked and my girlfriend doesn't realise because she's in the kitchen cooking.

If you're going to make corrections GC, then you might as well go the whole hog. (and by hog I make no reference to the maid or the girlfriend).

by **George Carlin** Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:58 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
tigertattie wrote:I like it when one member of Kia's spectacular and slightly worrying harem of barely clothed women does my ironing
Fewf - that was close. No charge for that correction there, fella.

I like it when my maid does the ironing naked and my girlfriend doesn't realise because she's in the kitchen cooking.

If you're going to make corrections GC, then you might as well go the whole hog. (and by hog I make no reference to the maid or the girlfriend).

by Majestic83 Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:35 pm

George Carlin wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Actually the more I think about this the more it really pees me off. £80 for a Macron rugby top?? Even the £60 version is a hell of a lot of money.

It just beggars belief that someone from the SRU went to a meeting with Macron where they said “we would like to sell your top for £80” and the SRU guy said “yes, that sounds like a good idea!”

I’m not marketing expert but surely £60 and £40 for the two alternatives would completely outsell the £80 / £60 versions – probably making more money, and meaning that there are more total shirts sold so the sponsors are happy.

Really can’t believe it someone thought £80 was a good idea. Or do I just not understand marketing??
Macron have paid a shedload to get the shirt rights and need to recoup the money somehow. Simples, unfortunately. Canterbury are also no saints in this respect. Wouldn't know how much an UnderArmour test Welsh shirt or a Puma Irish test shirt is for comparison purposes.

How much is a top end Rangers or Celtic top? That's probably a better comparison.

Was at the Millennium stadium for a tour last week and the Wales under armour tops were selling at £84 in the WRU shop.
Definitely agree with the comments by risky and the others about the prices and marketing strategy. Seems over priced and will
put people off buying it. The marketing dept at the SRU definitely seem to be out of touch on many areas with the public!

by allyt2k Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:27 pm

Is the shirt £80 or £60? on the SRU shop and in Greaves Sports its £60 for the replica home shirt which is the same price as they usally are.
Another good thing is you can buy it without the RBS on it which is cheaper. Can't see anything for £80

Ah right noticed the pro jersey £80, doesn't really bother me couldn't fit into the tighter one even if I had a team of folk to help me.

by doctor_grey Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:57 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
tigertattie wrote:I like it when my girlfriend does my ironing
Fewf - that was close. No charge for that correction there, fella.

I like it when my maid does the ironing naked and my girlfriend doesn't realise because she's in the kitchen cooking.

If you're going to make corrections GC, then you might as well go the whole hog. (and by hog I make no reference to the maid or the girlfriend).

Just read this. Kia is now my hero. When I grow up I want to be you.

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:50 am

Actually doc I have a confession to make. I'm married so replace girlfriend with mistress. Wink

by **George Carlin** Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:10 pm

Best close up pictures of the most recent Scotland stuff (not the away shirt or training tops yet though) is on the Lovells website:
http://www.lovell-rugby.co.uk/shop/International/Scotland

Open the pictures so that they're at their largest - lots of detailed contrast styling on the leisure stuff.
Am liking the Macron approach very much. Hopefully they will do the two pro teams proud as well.

by **RDW** Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:21 pm

Anyone seen the kit in the flesh yet? I'm actually pretty disappointed - it looks and feels cheap.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:31 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Anyone seen the kit in the flesh yet? I'm actually pretty disappointed - it looks and feels cheap.

Ah, it may look cheap, but at least you have the satisfaction on knowing how expensive it is, and the consolation that the kidney you sold to pay for it went to a worthy cause....

I'm staggered by the £80 prices, and not much happier paying £60 if I'm being honest. Still, someone has to pay for all those top signings.....

by **George Carlin** Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:39 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Anyone seen the kit in the flesh yet? I'm actually pretty disappointed - it looks and feels cheap.

Have you actually picked yours up yet, RDW or is this what you think it will probably look and feel like when you get your hands on one?

by funnyExiledScot Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:40 pm

He must have won it already in a competition Wink

by kiakahaaotearoa Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:44 pm

It's because Dan Parks was wearing it.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:03 pm

Are you suggesting that RDW was stroking Dan Parks whilst he was wearing the new Scotland shirt?

I don't find that plausible......

by **George Carlin** Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:05 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Are you suggesting that RDW was stroking Dan Parks whilst he was wearing the new Scotland shirt?

I don't find that plausible......

Me neither. For a start, I recall that RDW has to stay at least a hundred and one feet away from Parks at all times.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:08 pm

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