Jonathan Davies victim of Twitter abuse and threats after displacing Brian O'Driscoll in Lions side for deciding Test

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Jonathan Davies victim of Twitter abuse and threats after displacing Brian O'Driscoll in Lions side for deciding Test

The Scarlets and Wales centre was one of the standout performers during the 2-1 series success over the Wallabies and was given the vote to play alongside countryman Jamie Roberts in Sydney.

Coach Warren Gatland’s selection, which included nine Welshmen in the starting XV, gave rise to some serious criticism from the likes of Lions’ great Willie John McBride and former Ireland and Lions hooker Keith Wood.

The opposition to Gatland’s decision – particularly in relation to O’Driscoll – became further inflamed on Twitter, where a handful of supporters posted threatening messages towards Davies.

Davies said: “There was a lot of stuff on Twitter but I tried not to take too much notice of it. I had some good advice from players like Mike Phillips who just told me to ignore it.

“I was just grateful to have been given the opportunity to win the series. I did get a bit of verbal abuse and people wanting to break my legs and stuff. But I didn’t really care.


“I did feel like public enemy number one and there was a lot of pressure. But I felt like I had performed well under pressure.

“It was a great experience and I enjoyed every minute. Brian congratulated me afterwards and said well done. We were tight as a squad and Brian will be glad to have it on his CV.”

Davies will now turn his attention to helping the Scarlets re-establish themselves as a force in European club rugby.

“I have had six weeks offf and I’ve enjoyed it. I’ve been away on holiday and can’t wait to get back playing.”




Pretty disgusting stuff, rugby becoming more popular is attracting football like behaviour

The Saint wrote:Sin E should apologise and admit he's wrong so we can move on.

Nah, he just probably needs to realise life does exist outside BODworld.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
You couldn't make it up.

Make what up? You'd hardly put on your cv Test winner having being dropped from the team, especially someone who has won a fair bit in his career and isn't used to hanging onto the coat tails of someone else's achievements.

Sin é wrote:done a search on twitter for any abusive comments (even comments) and I couldn't find one that even gave Davies any stick.

Do you follow the news? There is such a thing as a complaint button apparantly, where twitter would then take down unsavoury posts.

Not sure why you felt the need to search for it though.

Sin é wrote:

Cyril wrote:What does Davies mean by "verbal abuse"? I thought it was all on Twitter.

I think he is referring to a lot of comment on twitter (which is ok) and some of it was abusive.

Must say, I couldn't find much (any) of the abusive stuff. In fact all the criticism if of Gatland or how wronged BOD is.

Not quite what I meant. "Verbal" implies that the abuse was "said" rather than typed or written and I thought it was all on Twitter and not spoken (either to his face or elsewhere).

It could be he doesn't know the difference but I just wondered where this abuse had come from.

Submachine wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:Sour grapes must be bitter +++ in Ireland.  BOD should never have been on the tour in the first place.  Let's get back to The BRITISH Lions.  Only the Irish could bring politics into sport in this way. 

Nice bit of xenophobia to start the day. Candidate for most obnoxious comment of the day and its only 9:24.

Like I said the Irish as a nation have no place to criticise anyone on xenophobia or politics pal.  I never wanted the Irish included in the British Lions after all it was the British Lions for far longer, that's an opinion not being racist or xenophobic.

The Lions can be proud VERY proud of what they did.  Gatland proved he is class and dropping a has been was blown out of all proportion by some, at least he won a test series.

Oh by the way BOD may have had more of a game of it in NZ in 2005 had he not insulted the Haka

Distinct lack of class shown by a lot of people on this thread but this sh1te stands above them all. I didn't think it was possible to sulk in the written word but hey every day's a school day.
As for the fool who tried to insult us by calling us Fenians??? Probably got a lot of laughs bullying the Irish kid in class did you Munkian. Fenian being the biggest insult you thought you could throw at the kid with the funny accent. Bigots, the pair of you.
The Fenians were born out of a desire for freedom from foreign rule in the mid 1800's, a struggle which had been on-going for much, much longer. Without them Ireland would never have gained independence.
What is the Welsh equivalent?

I am sure you will write a fekin song about it all, the irish are good with them,few drums and dustbin lids.....can't wait for the CD. Without a WELSHMAN you would not have had Independence (or a saint ), remember that pal:yahoo: 

Knowsit17 wrote:

He need not have mentioned what he says were a handful of abusive messages on twitter (which I can't find there now).

Yeah, how dare he make any reference to threatening behaviour directed at him. In fact let's all threaten and spit bile at each other seeing as it obviously isn't an issue as eloquently pointed out by Sin. Anyone got a friend or close relative they'd allow me the courtesy of threatening to bottle in some dark alley?

Look, the guy said he took no notice of a (handful) of abusive threats on twitter (which all have disappeared) because I can't find one, although there are plenty of tweets from the likes of Dan Carter and Sonny Bill Williams (fellow countrymen of Gatland) about how shocked they are at BOD's dropping. Hardly surprising that Davies might feel aggrieved that he isn't held in the same esteem as Brian O'Driscoll by his peers and is a bit put out by it.

You can go ahead an threaten to bottle me if you like - I won't be losing any sleep over it.

By the way, what did you think to the death threats that Alain Rolland got (and he isn't on twitter)?

GunsGerms wrote:

The Saint wrote:GG, you don't think Sin needs to move on then? I was over it as soon as the third test ended, I just don't like it when some Irish posters (Sin and Rodders) give out the BS then get on their high horse.

Sure youre just as bad. Sin likes to debate. He has a not so rare Irish condition that dictates that he would debate the arse off a donkey. Of all the contraversial posters I can think of he probably resorts to personal insults the least. Sure he can get to me too but I have respect for him because he clearly loves rugby and knows a lot about it.

You can hardly call what he does debating. He has been asked things by different people and chosen not to respond to them. He has also constantly spun the POC nearly missed the bus yarn and then also tried to blame Sir Warren for POC's alleged unprofessionalism. Not really debating, when he has a lot in some posts that he could get his debating kicks out of and he clearly hasn't.

rainbow-warrior wrote:

Submachine wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:Sour grapes must be bitter +++ in Ireland.  BOD should never have been on the tour in the first place.  Let's get back to The BRITISH Lions.  Only the Irish could bring politics into sport in this way. 

Nice bit of xenophobia to start the day. Candidate for most obnoxious comment of the day and its only 9:24.

Like I said the Irish as a nation have no place to criticise anyone on xenophobia or politics pal.  I never wanted the Irish included in the British Lions after all it was the British Lions for far longer, that's an opinion not being racist or xenophobic.

The Lions can be proud VERY proud of what they did.  Gatland proved he is class and dropping a has been was blown out of all proportion by some, at least he won a test series.

Oh by the way BOD may have had more of a game of it in NZ in 2005 had he not insulted the Haka

Distinct lack of class shown by a lot of people on this thread but this sh1te stands above them all. I didn't think it was possible to sulk in the written word but hey every day's a school day.
As for the fool who tried to insult us by calling us Fenians??? Probably got a lot of laughs bullying the Irish kid in class did you Munkian. Fenian being the biggest insult you thought you could throw at the kid with the funny accent. Bigots, the pair of you.
The Fenians were born out of a desire for freedom from foreign rule in the mid 1800's, a struggle which had been on-going for much, much longer. Without them Ireland would never have gained independence.
What is the Welsh equivalent?

I am sure you will write a fekin song about it all, the irish are good with them,few drums and dustbin lids.....can't wait for the CD.  Without a WELSHMAN you would not have had Independence (or a saint ), remember that pal:yahoo: 

eh ... Lloyd George gave us the Black & Tans.

GunsGerms wrote:

The Saint wrote:GG, you don't think Sin needs to move on then? I was over it as soon as the third test ended, I just don't like it when some Irish posters (Sin and Rodders) give out the BS then get on their high horse.

Sure youre just as bad. Sin likes to debate. He has a not so rare Irish condition that dictates that he would debate the arse off a donkey. Of all the contraversial posters I can think of he probably resorts to personal insults the least. Sure he can get to me too but I have respect for him because he clearly loves rugby and knows a lot about it.

And, I assume, that makes it ok for him, or for that matter anyone who feels so tempted, to generalise and make xenophobic remarks. Yep, the Welsh people collectively set the precedent for blackmailing didn't they? Maybe I'll just turn to referring to every Irish person by some general label and maybe then you'd see what it's like having to put up with it while everyone else conveniently acts like there's no such thing going on.

I've called out Welsh people for unjustly labelling others but everyone who does it is the same - lowly, pathetic scum

Risca Rev wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

The Saint wrote:GG, you don't think Sin needs to move on then? I was over it as soon as the third test ended, I just don't like it when some Irish posters (Sin and Rodders) give out the BS then get on their high horse.

Sure youre just as bad. Sin likes to debate. He has a not so rare Irish condition that dictates that he would debate the arse off a donkey. Of all the contraversial posters I can think of he probably resorts to personal insults the least. Sure he can get to me too but I have respect for him because he clearly loves rugby and knows a lot about it.

You can hardly call what he does debating. He has been asked things by different people and chosen not to respond to them. He has also constantly spun the POC nearly missed the bus yarn and then also tried to blame Sir Warren for POC's alleged unprofessionalism. Not really debating, when he has a lot in some posts that he could get his debating kicks out of and he clearly hasn't.

Jeez GG, don't you know nonsense when you read it? How can you reason with someone who believes Gats 'snub' of BOD (who supposedly had a divine right to be played) was getting one over on the IRFU instead of doing what the coach (the man in charge) thought was the best solution? And now he keeps bringing Rolland into it which is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure he was also one of the ones who kept mentioning Davies' spear after he was cowardly assaulted by Hore. How is that debating? It's just nonsense that he insists on regurgitating.

Sin é wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:

Submachine wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:Sour grapes must be bitter +++ in Ireland.  BOD should never have been on the tour in the first place.  Let's get back to The BRITISH Lions.  Only the Irish could bring politics into sport in this way. 

Nice bit of xenophobia to start the day. Candidate for most obnoxious comment of the day and its only 9:24.

Like I said the Irish as a nation have no place to criticise anyone on xenophobia or politics pal.  I never wanted the Irish included in the British Lions after all it was the British Lions for far longer, that's an opinion not being racist or xenophobic.

The Lions can be proud VERY proud of what they did.  Gatland proved he is class and dropping a has been was blown out of all proportion by some, at least he won a test series.

Oh by the way BOD may have had more of a game of it in NZ in 2005 had he not insulted the Haka

Distinct lack of class shown by a lot of people on this thread but this sh1te stands above them all. I didn't think it was possible to sulk in the written word but hey every day's a school day.
As for the fool who tried to insult us by calling us Fenians??? Probably got a lot of laughs bullying the Irish kid in class did you Munkian. Fenian being the biggest insult you thought you could throw at the kid with the funny accent. Bigots, the pair of you.
The Fenians were born out of a desire for freedom from foreign rule in the mid 1800's, a struggle which had been on-going for much, much longer. Without them Ireland would never have gained independence.
What is the Welsh equivalent?

I am sure you will write a fekin song about it all, the irish are good with them,few drums and dustbin lids.....can't wait for the CD.  Without a WELSHMAN you would not have had Independence (or a saint ), remember that pal:yahoo: 

eh ... Lloyd George gave us the Black & Tans.

Hahahaha is that the best you can do? Bobby Sands could have made a fekin fortune with his diet plan.

The Saint wrote:Jeez GG, don't you know nonsense when you read it? How can you reason with someone who believes Gats 'snub' of BOD (who supposedly had a divine right to be played) was getting one over on the IRFU instead of doing what the coach (the man in charge) thought was the best solution? And now he keeps bringing Rolland into it which is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure he was also one of the ones who kept mentioning Davies' spear after he was cowardly assaulted by Hore. How is that debating? It's just nonsense that he insists on regurgitating.

I do but equally you should recognise nonsense when you write it. Your reference to Bobby Sands is pretty disrespectful.

*Apologies that was Rainbow.

Sin é wrote:there are plenty of tweets from the likes of Dan Carter and Sonny Bill Williams (fellow countrymen of Gatland) about how shocked they are at BOD's dropping. Hardly surprising that Davies might feel aggrieved that he isn't held in the same esteem as Brian O'Driscoll by his peers and is a bit put out by it.

Or, they were more likely shocked that somebody actually had the courage to drop him, unlike plenty of other coaches who chose to select him on reputation alone.

GunsGerms wrote:

The Saint wrote:Jeez GG, don't you know nonsense when you read it? How can you reason with someone who believes Gats 'snub' of BOD (who supposedly had a divine right to be played) was getting one over on the IRFU instead of doing what the coach (the man in charge) thought was the best solution? And now he keeps bringing Rolland into it which is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure he was also one of the ones who kept mentioning Davies' spear after he was cowardly assaulted by Hore. How is that debating? It's just nonsense that he insists on regurgitating.

I do but equally you should recognise nonsense when you write it. Your reference to Bobby Sands is pretty disrespectful.

My reference?
I usually do recognise nonsense that I write, but only after it's written. If you can point on some of my nonsense I'd be willing to do what Wood, McBride and Sin have yet to do . I don't believe I have done but perhaps engaging with a moron can be described as just that.

*Ah I see. I don't even know who Bobby Sands is. For the record, I'm glad Ireland are involved with the Lions. We wouldn't have got anywhere without the Irish players.

http://blogs.avg.com/student/twitter-introduces-report-functionality-combat-cyberbullying-trolls/

Just in case poor Sin is baffled by the absence of these abusive tweets still.

Knowsit17 wrote:And, I assume, that makes it ok for him, or for that matter anyone who feels so tempted, to generalise and make xenophobic remarks. Yep, the Welsh people collectively set the precedent for blackmailing didn't they? Maybe I'll just turn to referring to every Irish person by some general label and maybe then you'd see what it's like having to put up with it while everyone else conveniently acts like there's no such thing going on.

I've called out Welsh people for unjustly labelling others but everyone who does it is the same - lowly, pathetic scum

Once again the crux of the problem is people are getting outraged by comments by a small few. Why respond in kind? Does that not make you just as bad?

If Sin made xenaphobic remarks then ignore him.

Risca Rev wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

The Saint wrote:GG, you don't think Sin needs to move on then? I was over it as soon as the third test ended, I just don't like it when some Irish posters (Sin and Rodders) give out the BS then get on their high horse.

Sure youre just as bad. Sin likes to debate. He has a not so rare Irish condition that dictates that he would debate the arse off a donkey. Of all the contraversial posters I can think of he probably resorts to personal insults the least. Sure he can get to me too but I have respect for him because he clearly loves rugby and knows a lot about it.

You can hardly call what he does debating. He has been asked things by different people and chosen not to respond to them. He has also constantly spun the POC nearly missed the bus yarn and then also tried to blame Sir Warren for POC's alleged unprofessionalism. Not really debating, when he has a lot in some posts that he could get his debating kicks out of and he clearly hasn't.

Why in the name of god would I make up a comment that Paul O'Connell nearly missed the bus to the 3rd test? POC was injured, being unprofessional would have been not doing his rehab or something.

Its kind of telling that you find it unbelievable that someone like Paul O'Connell wouldn't pretend that sitting in the stands in the 3rd Test is a highlight of his career.

Risca Rev wrote:You can hardly call what he does debating. He has been asked things by different people and chosen not to respond to them. He has also constantly spun the POC nearly missed the bus yarn and then also tried to blame Sir Warren for POC's alleged unprofessionalism. Not really debating, when he has a lot in some posts that he could get his debating kicks out of and he clearly hasn't.

I do call it debating. I dont agree with him a lot but when debating you dont have to be right if you can demonstrate the other side is wrong. I think he does this a lot.

Sin é wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

The Saint wrote:GG, you don't think Sin needs to move on then? I was over it as soon as the third test ended, I just don't like it when some Irish posters (Sin and Rodders) give out the BS then get on their high horse.

Sure youre just as bad. Sin likes to debate. He has a not so rare Irish condition that dictates that he would debate the arse off a donkey. Of all the contraversial posters I can think of he probably resorts to personal insults the least. Sure he can get to me too but I have respect for him because he clearly loves rugby and knows a lot about it.

You can hardly call what he does debating. He has been asked things by different people and chosen not to respond to them. He has also constantly spun the POC nearly missed the bus yarn and then also tried to blame Sir Warren for POC's alleged unprofessionalism. Not really debating, when he has a lot in some posts that he could get his debating kicks out of and he clearly hasn't.

Why in the name of god would I make up a comment that Paul O'Connell nearly missed the bus to the 3rd test? POC was injured, being unprofessional would have been not doing his rehab or something.

Its kind of telling that you find it unbelievable that someone like Paul O'Connell wouldn't pretend that sitting in the stands in the 3rd Test is a highlight of his career.

dont you mean why in the name of BOD

Sin é wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:

He need not have mentioned what he says were a handful of abusive messages on twitter (which I can't find there now).

Yeah, how dare he make any reference to threatening behaviour directed at him. In fact let's all threaten and spit bile at each other seeing as it obviously isn't an issue as eloquently pointed out by Sin. Anyone got a friend or close relative they'd allow me the courtesy of threatening to bottle in some dark alley?

Look, the guy said he took no notice of a (handful) of abusive threats on twitter (which all have disappeared) because I can't find one, although there are plenty of tweets from the likes of Dan Carter and Sonny Bill Williams (fellow countrymen of Gatland) about how shocked they are at BOD's dropping. Hardly surprising that Davies might feel aggrieved that he isn't held in the same esteem as Brian O'Driscoll by his peers and is a bit put out by it.

You can go ahead an threaten to bottle me if you like - I won't be losing any sleep over it.

By the way, what did you think to the death threats that Alain Rolland got (and he isn't on twitter)?

The Alain Rolland threats did not and do not concern me, I didn't make them nor did I support any such conduct. Again your prejudice inclines you to think that I should feel responsible for something I didn't do due to the fact that plenty of it was done by Welsh people. Yep, we're all carbon copies of each other aren't we..

The abuse was there, for one thing because plenty of other people testified for it back closer to the tour. And perhaps you should fully acknowledge the sense of the word abuse before making such glaring judgments on what you think JD2 is like as a person. The Carter and Williams comments were not abuse, therefore you can still find them. The others were abuse (coming mainly from Ireland) therefore you can no longer find them. Did you not know abusive content on most well-operated sites is removed. Not been watching the news much lately?

GunsGerms wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:And, I assume, that makes it ok for him, or for that matter anyone who feels so tempted, to generalise and make xenophobic remarks. Yep, the Welsh people collectively set the precedent for blackmailing didn't they? Maybe I'll just turn to referring to every Irish person by some general label and maybe then you'd see what it's like having to put up with it while everyone else conveniently acts like there's no such thing going on.

I've called out Welsh people for unjustly labelling others but everyone who does it is the same - lowly, pathetic scum

Once again the crux of the problem is people are getting outraged by comments by a small few. Why respond in kind? Does that not make you just as bad?

If Sin made xenaphobic remarks then ignore him.

Claiming that most of the demands for apologises from Woody / Willie John McBride on the BBC thread seem to be coming from Welsh people is not xenaphobic.

Sin é wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
You couldn't make it up.

Make what up? You'd hardly put on your cv Test winner having being dropped from the team, especially someone who has won a fair bit in his career and isn't used to hanging onto the coat tails of someone else's achievements.

What part of this are you struggling with?

"You would be bitterly disappointed not to be in the Test side but this series is bigger than any individual. You have to be selfless. It is about the Lions. I would rather the Lions won the series without me in the team than lose with me in it."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/britishandirishlionsrugby/10123705/Lions-2013-Brian-ODriscoll-explains-why-he-was-inspired-by-Jonathan-Davies-performance-against-Waratahs.html

O'Driscoll's on Twitter. While you're busy looking for abusive tweets, ask him whether he's proud or ashamed at having finally been part of a victorious Lions tour.

Dan carter wouldn't want to drop BOD , he gets his team mates to do it for him  

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:Dan carter wouldn't  want to drop BOD , he gets his team mates to do it for him  

 

The Welsh set the precendent with their threatening behaviour to Alain Roland

Page 1 of this article. You can tell a coward from the way he tries to hide behind forgetfulness.

rainbow-warrior wrote:

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:Dan carter wouldn't  want to drop BOD , he gets his team mates to do it for him  

 

I have DC on my twitter and he did not make a big issue on the BOD dropping anyway. He is a humble and unassuming gentleman who outside training and playing gives many hours of his own time going to see kids and other supporters, etc. I am sure that the British Lions did not bother him a jot if we are honest and BOD would be lower on his list.

As for Sonny Bill, a non starter in my books and a selfish individual rather than a team player. Anyway the Blues have the best league player on their books now.

I'm not sharing a high horse with Sin!

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
You couldn't make it up.

Make what up? You'd hardly put on your cv Test winner having being dropped from the team, especially someone who has won a fair bit in his career and isn't used to hanging onto the coat tails of someone else's achievements.

What part of this are you struggling with?

"You would be bitterly disappointed not to be in the Test side but this series is bigger than any individual. You have to be selfless. It is about the Lions. I would rather the Lions won the series without me in the team than lose with me in it."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/britishandirishlionsrugby/10123705/Lions-2013-Brian-ODriscoll-explains-why-he-was-inspired-by-Jonathan-Davies-performance-against-Waratahs.html

O'Driscoll's on Twitter. While you're busy looking for abusive tweets, ask him whether he's proud or ashamed at having finally been part of a victorious Lions tour.

Proud or ashamed? He'd be neither. He just won't be boasting about a Lions series win or putting it on his cv (not that he will ever have to produce a cv) and he won't be whinging about it either.

Quotes from O'Connell on Sky:

O'Connell missed the second and third Tests due to injury and said that the omission of O'Driscoll "felt wrong" ahead of the series decider.

"I was shocked and disappointed," said O'Connell to Today FM.

"After playing so long with him you end up being a bit of a fan. I wouldn't say it took the gloss off it a little bit for me, but it probably did.

"It's a shame he wasn't out there. Even going on the bus with him; I was injured and there were other guys resigned to the fact that they weren't on the team.

"It just felt wrong that he was on the bus with the non-playing squad, not in the 23.

"I thought Brian was playing well. If you look at the first two Tests there wasn't a whole lot of quality ball given to the backline.

"Apart from George North, who had a ball kicked down his throat and created an unbelievable try, there weren't any backs that stood out.

"So it's hard to fathom the logic behind the decision, certainly from my point of view."

Sin é wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
You couldn't make it up.

Make what up? You'd hardly put on your cv Test winner having being dropped from the team, especially someone who has won a fair bit in his career and isn't used to hanging onto the coat tails of someone else's achievements.

What part of this are you struggling with?

"You would be bitterly disappointed not to be in the Test side but this series is bigger than any individual. You have to be selfless. It is about the Lions. I would rather the Lions won the series without me in the team than lose with me in it."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/britishandirishlionsrugby/10123705/Lions-2013-Brian-ODriscoll-explains-why-he-was-inspired-by-Jonathan-Davies-performance-against-Waratahs.html

O'Driscoll's on Twitter. While you're busy looking for abusive tweets, ask him whether he's proud or ashamed at having finally been part of a victorious Lions tour.

Proud or ashamed? He'd be neither.

Okay, righto.  

And what Paul O'Connell thought about O'Driscoll's omission has precisely nothing to do with my question, which was how O'Driscoll feels about being on a winning Lions tour.

Any chance we can keep this thread on topic?

It's a valiant effort, Rodders...

 

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:This thread is great. Get all the Wums in the same dark room (and anyone else who wants to join in for the crack) and let them knock 7 shades of shyte out of each other. Perfect!

Good work lads!  (Special thanks to old Spunkian for kicking it off)  

Don't hate the playa, hate the game  

So, what did I miss ?

This thread reminds me of some of the darker corners of the old 606.

Just checked and it definately says rugby forum.

Risca Rev wrote:
Not really. He's meant to be a squad player. What would have been the point of him staying out there for a further two weeks otherwise, particularly when he allegedly didn't really care about it (according to you)? Also, I would believe your story, if you could back it up with a bit of substance.

He said he stayed out there because he was asked, his partner and their son had just been out so he wasn't homesick and the Lions were going to some nice resort for a bit of a holiday.

http://player.todayfm.com/player/listen_back/4/4197/11th_July_2013_-_The_Ray_D%27Arcy_Show_Part_1


The Ray D'Arcy Show
11th July 2013 Part 1 (48 mins in).

Edit: Here are POC's exact words about missing the bus (I suppose you will be off vilifying him for his unprofessionalism now).

''Before the final test I was in Icebergs which is a life saving club overlooking Bondi having a few glasses of wine with friends - I nearly didn't make it back for the bus actually.''

The reason why he nearly missed the bus might be because he ''He found it frustrating because he had so little to do with the team.''

#takingoutthetrash

I think I'm getting the hang of this Twitter stuff

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It is Friday and I am not in the mood to entertain transgressions, the next to transgress will be recieving an immediate 48 hour ban without warning.

So please behave..

rodders wrote:I'm not sharing a high horse with Sin!

and we were getting on so well together  

GunsGerms wrote:I dont agree with him a lot but when debating you dont have to be right if you can demonstrate the other side is wrong. I think he does this a lot.

That is not the case; IF it always rests on one of these bad boys. Which Sin E, bless him, loves to bring out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies#Informal_fallacies

He loses the debate aye, but when you're moving the goalposts and arguing from repetition (see how many more off that list you can pick out!) eventually people just give up. Thats what'll happen here sooner or later.

When Gareth Edwards was asked by the BBC to comment on Gatland's team for the third Test, he paid tribute to O' Driscoll as a great player and said he would have picked him.  He said we all know that BOD hasn't been playing at the level we know he's capable of but he's still a superb player.

However, Edwards didn't go down the route followed by some in verbally attacking Gatland's selection. Instead, he gave him the benefit of the doubt - this being before the Test was played.

He followed up with these words :

"When you are on tour with the Lions, you are all Lions.

On my first tour (1968), I think there were only two Welshmen in the Test side. I didn't realise that at the time.

And similarly in 1971. People make the point now that there were nine Welshmen in that Test team

But if you had asked me how many Welshmen were in that Lions side I wouldn't have been able to say.

I just know we won the series."


Edwards was a competitor and a half.  He didn't bother to mention the 1974 series, also won.

maestegmafia wrote:

Sin é wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote: Guns

By chance I have always agreed with Hansens decisions and Grant fox's selections.

What I'm getting at though is the extreme hatred and demands by the Irish that Gatland owes them something because he dropped their player O'Driscoll, that is not debate its just vindictiveness.

Look, Gatland never got over getting the bullet from Ireland - its the one major blot on his cv so every chance he gets he likes to take a little dig at us. He has pretty made sure that Eddie O'Sullivan never got a job again in rugby.

Oh come on...!

What on Earth can Gatland do to prevent EOS getting a job. You guys were calling for Eddies head as much as you were for his successor, who started out by winning you the first GS you had won in years...!

Gatland badmouthed EOS for robbing his job for years. Until recently, Gatland's rep in Ireland was that he was hard done by when he was not given a new contract and Eddie O'Sullivan's machiavellian ways were to blame. It was everyone's fault but Gatland's own that he wasn't. The IRFU & EOS kept their silence and its only now that we find out what the real reason why he wasn't employed (he resisted change, didn't want a backs coach and the senior players (like Woody) got really fed up when he refused to hire a defence coach. Ireland didn't start winning any games with Gatland as head coach until EOS was hired (just before BOD scored his hattrick in Paris).

Just before the Lions tour Gatland was still talking about his contract not being renewed with Ireland again and how much big a part it has had to play in the coach he is now.

ps - I wasn't calling for Declan Kidney's head, who by the way was appointed yesterday University College Cork's new Director of Sport & Physical Activity. Now poor Eddie next job is a coach on some TV reality programme.

Notch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:I dont agree with him a lot but when debating you dont have to be right if you can demonstrate the other side is wrong. I think he does this a lot.

That is not the case; IF it always rests on one of these bad boys. Which Sin E, bless him, loves to bring out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies#Informal_fallacies

He loses the debate aye, but when you're moving the goalposts and arguing from repetition (see how many more off that list you can pick out!) eventually people just give up. Thats what'll happen here sooner or later.

Then there are those like yourself when they can't argue the topic, the like to undermine the poster by claiming they are moving the goalposts.

optimist wrote:When Gareth Edwards was asked by the BBC to comment on Gatland's team for the third Test, he paid tribute to O' Driscoll as a great player and said he would have picked him.  He said we all know that BOD hasn't been playing at the level we know he's capable of but he's still a superb player.

However, Edwards didn't go down the route followed by some in verbally attacking Gatland's selection. Instead, he gave him the benefit of the doubt - this being before the Test was played.

He followed up with these words :

"When you are on tour with the Lions, you are all Lions.

On my first tour (1968), I think there were only two Welshmen in the Test side. I didn't realise that at the time.

And similarly in 1971. People make the point now that there were nine Welshmen in that Test team

But if you had asked me how many Welshmen were in that Lions side I wouldn't have been able to say.

I just know we won the series."

Edwards was a competitor and a half.  He didn't bother to mention the 1974 series, also won.

How is Edwards an authority on what its feels like to be a dropped Lion? As far as I recall he never was dropped. He has 10 Test caps anyway. More of this BOD should be happy he can put it on his cv bull.

Interesting that when Paul O'Connell was talking in that radio interview - he said they (Test Series) winners are in a special club.  Its obvious he didn't think of himself as a Test winner series even though he was injured and looked like being a certain starter if fit.

My change down the sofas worth.......Gatlands in a quandary how to win the final test. Confides in the coaching team what go do. Jamie Roberts is back fit, BOD has been ok, solid if not spectacular. JD2 is younger, maybe faster, plays well with JR, lets go with that combo. Tough call but hey....needs must. The bench is needed for the gameplan, sorry Brian.

Sin é wrote:

optimist wrote:When Gareth Edwards was asked by the BBC to comment on Gatland's team for the third Test, he paid tribute to O' Driscoll as a great player and said he would have picked him.  He said we all know that BOD hasn't been playing at the level we know he's capable of but he's still a superb player.

However, Edwards didn't go down the route followed by some in verbally attacking Gatland's selection. Instead, he gave him the benefit of the doubt - this being before the Test was played.

He followed up with these words :

"When you are on tour with the Lions, you are all Lions.

On my first tour (1968), I think there were only two Welshmen in the Test side. I didn't realise that at the time.

And similarly in 1971. People make the point now that there were nine Welshmen in that Test team

But if you had asked me how many Welshmen were in that Lions side I wouldn't have been able to say.

I just know we won the series."

Edwards was a competitor and a half.  He didn't bother to mention the 1974 series, also won.

How is Edwards an authority on what its feels like to be a dropped Lion? As far as I recall he never was dropped. He has 10 Test caps anyway. More of this BOD should be happy he can put it on his cv bull.

Interesting that when Paul O'Connell was talking in that radio interview - he said they (Test Series) winners are in a special club.  Its obvious he didn't think of himself as a Test winner series even though he was injured and looked like being a certain starter if fit.

Edwards hasn't claimed to be "an authority on what it feels like to be a dropped Lion".

He has said what it means to be a Lion.  Having toured three times, twice with series wins - and never dropped, as you say -I think his opinion should be treated with as much seriousness as, say, Willie-John's.  The fact that Edwards isn't always giving his opinion to the press is a point in his favour.

You're a rugby fan, as I am.  But I'll never know what it feels like to play for the Lions, or be dropped for that matter - and neither will you.  Do you know how O'Driscoll "feels" - has he told you?

Sin é wrote:



The Ray D'Arcy Show
11th July 2013 Part 1 (48 mins in).

Edit: Here are POC's exact words about missing the bus (I suppose you will be off vilifying him for his unprofessionalism now).

''Before the final test I was in Icebergs which is a life saving club overlooking Bondi having a few glasses of wine with friends - I nearly didn't make it back for the bus actually.''

The reason why he nearly missed the bus might be because he ''He found it frustrating because he had so little to do with the team.''

Objection My Lord, conjecture!

IAOB

optimist wrote:

Sin é wrote:

optimist wrote:When Gareth Edwards was asked by the BBC to comment on Gatland's team for the third Test, he paid tribute to O' Driscoll as a great player and said he would have picked him.  He said we all know that BOD hasn't been playing at the level we know he's capable of but he's still a superb player.

However, Edwards didn't go down the route followed by some in verbally attacking Gatland's selection. Instead, he gave him the benefit of the doubt - this being before the Test was played.

He followed up with these words :

"When you are on tour with the Lions, you are all Lions.

On my first tour (1968), I think there were only two Welshmen in the Test side. I didn't realise that at the time.

And similarly in 1971. People make the point now that there were nine Welshmen in that Test team

But if you had asked me how many Welshmen were in that Lions side I wouldn't have been able to say.

I just know we won the series."

Edwards was a competitor and a half.  He didn't bother to mention the 1974 series, also won.

How is Edwards an authority on what its feels like to be a dropped Lion? As far as I recall he never was dropped. He has 10 Test caps anyway. More of this BOD should be happy he can put it on his cv bull.

Interesting that when Paul O'Connell was talking in that radio interview - he said they (Test Series) winners are in a special club.  Its obvious he didn't think of himself as a Test winner series even though he was injured and looked like being a certain starter if fit.

Edwards hasn't claimed to be "an authority on what it feels like to be a dropped Lion".

He has said what it means to be a Lion.  Having toured three times, twice with series wins - and never dropped, as you say -I think his opinion should be treated with as much seriousness as, say, Willie-John's.  The fact that Edwards isn't always giving his opinion to the press is a point in his favour.

You're a rugby fan, as I am.  But I'll never know what it feels like to play for the Lions, or be dropped for that matter - and neither will you.  Do you know how O'Driscoll "feels" - has he told you?

I'm not too sure what Edwards point is - all he says he didn't know there were only 2 Welsh players in the Test side. Then again, the Irish Coach hadn't selected 10 Irish players to start the Test match on the tour he was on in '64.