Amir Khan - What is the point of this guy ???

All Boxing's great fighters avenge their defeats in their prime...........Leonard, Ali, Robbo, Louis.............Other near greats like Mosley and Delahoya try to !!!

This guy is talking about Alexander ducking him and Mayweather.............

Excuse me kid....Three fighters have beaten you... and are STILL AROUND !! So what If you beat Alexander...so what If you beat Mayweather.....

Beating Floyd makes you number 1 !!! No sirree kiddo...........

You had any pride...........Avenge a defeat before you moan about people ducking you..because you look stupid otherwise...

What is the point of you kid...because I don't see one.......Any other classy fighter would insist on Garcia.........

Exactly true, seems Amir is happy to find a way round his weaknesses by picking fights, & blaming trainers.

I thought that was the idea of him linking up with Virgil Hunter was to work on his defense & come back to avenge his losses, but he's done nothing to get any of those fights on & is deluded that he can be p4p no1 if he ever fights & beats (which he won't) Mayweather

Now he says he has the style to beat Mayweather but his last performance was awful, to be honest the only good thing about his recent performances were the start against Maidana & the heart he's shown, if anything I think his skills have regressed badly in the past couple of years

He started off being in it for the glory, now he's in it for the cash

he did try to avenge the peterson defeat.

Khan wants to talk his way into fights.

He believes he has the fan base in America to chase any fight. If you are dangerous like Brook Khan will say that you are not on his level he said the same about Urango a couple of years ago even going as far as to say he would ko Urango. URANGO! that guy would knock Khan back to pre-historic times.

Khan now markets himself as a fan fave exciting fighter and he is right but his fights are exciting due to his serious flaws as a fighter. He used to say he was the best 140 pounder in the world then he met Maidiana and Garcia.

let him talk.

Khan isn't an American fan favorite............Hence fighting in front of a tiny crowd in Washington against petersen...

He's a perennial loser too..

Should come back here until he sorts out his account..

"He used to say he was the best 140 pounder in the world then he met Maidiana and Garcia"

He beat Maidana mate and was beating Garcia until he decided to keep his right hand down for some reason.

He's still got plenty of talent, certainly enough to make good money and hang around world fringes.

If Peterson wasn't another caught US drug cheat then Khan would have avenged that 'loss' ('loss' as it should've been a NC), and Prescott was a club fighter that got lucky, Khan proved all he needed to by moving on to bigger and better things.

So the only real smudge on his record is Garcia.

Lewis took almost 3 years to avenge his McCall loss, I'd give Khan a break for a bit yet - providing he ups the quality of his opponents sufficiently and stops going on about Mayweather which is my biggest bug-bear with him.

Khan's self-belief offending people again, I see!

I've been a critic of Amir in the past for certain things - basically being disrespectful in some cases and also, now and then, playing the victim when he hasn't been one at all. But I fail to see how he deserves any criticism for simply believing he's the best and wanting to fight the biggest names.

Sure, his talk on these matters is fanciful; just as Haye's claim that he was the saviour of Heavyweight boxing was, just as Froch's claim that he would have been a superstar in the era of Hagler and Leonard was, just as Malignaggi's claim that he is the true pound for pound king was (or is!).

Show me a fighter who doesn't back themselves as fully as they possibly can and who doesn't believe that they can beat anyone, anywhere, any time, and the likelihood is that you're also showing me a fighter who won't reach their full potential.

The Prescott loss was such a devastating setback at the time and I'm hard pressed to see at which stage a rematch became an easy sell or a must see. Steering Khan to a different path and rebuilding his confidence away from big hitters such as Prescott after a loss of that nature was absolutely the right and sensible thing for his team to do at that stage. Since then, Prescott has consistently flattered to deceive and hasn't put himself in the big league mix. No ducking or avoidance from Khan there.

He was signed to rematch Peterson before Lamont tested positive. Again, no fault of Khan's. And right now Garcia is still a 140 pounder with a huge showdown on the horizon against Matthysse, whereas Khan is now officially campaigning at Welter from here on in. The pair of them are still only in their mid twenties, and with Garcia Sr talking about moving Danny up to 147 in the future, there's plenty of time for them to meet again - it's just not the time right now.

When Hatton wanted to fight Mayweather (or fight him for a second time after being well and truly banjo'd first time out), he was "brave" and it was so refreshing to see a fighter who wanted to take on the best. When Khan does it, he's a deluded, arrogant fool who should keep it buttoned.

Perhaps I'm missing something, so if someone could explain what makes Khan's comments so much worse than any other stuff we hear daily from a number of fighters around the globe, then I'm all ears.

My only criticism with that post, Chris, is the Hatton comparison. As Hatton had achieved vastly more and been operating longer at a higher level AND was a much much bigger draw than Khan.

The Hatton comparison as you've written it is more usually the preserve of Az when using it to call us all racists for not elevating Khan to hero status.

TopHat24/7 wrote:My only criticism with that post, Chris, is the Hatton comparison.  As Hatton had achieved vastly more and been operating longer at a higher level AND was a much much bigger draw than Khan.

The Hatton comparison as you've written it is more usually the preserve of Az when using it to call us all racists for not elevating Khan to hero status.

He may have been a bigger draw, no doubt about that. But when Hatton signed to fight Mayweather he'd contested just five world title fights, with a shopworn (but still very handy, of course) Tszyu as his best win. He'd shown that he could blow hot and cold, too; very good against Castillo, not so hot against Collazo and Urango. Ricky hadn't experienced the slip ups that Khan has against Prescott and Garcia, true, but there's no way his achievements at that stage blow Khan's as of 2013 out of the water as some claim.

Hell, Hatton was even talking about one day fighting Mayweather again when he returned after this three-and-a-half-year hiatus. Far more 'deluded' than anything Khan has said, but nary a mention of it on here or anywhere else.

Clearly, right now, Khan isn't in any kind of position to be a Mayweather opponent, but that doesn't mean he can't target that fight in the future and nor should he be shot down for thinking he can get the fight and win it.

Remember a couple of years ago Khan made a comment along the lines of he would fancy Floyd but not for a couple of years, everyone slated him to a man for waiting until he got old and looking to pick off his corpse. He got dogs abuse for not wanting to fight him while he was still the best fighter in the world. Floyd is still the best fighter in the world and Khan is wanting to face him and lo and behold he is a deluded uppity fool.

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I personally don’t think Khan has a chance against Floyd but am not going to slate a kid for showing ambition. Cleverly rightly got abuse from all comers for facing nobodies as a world champion but we slate someone who clearly does not want to do this.

"He's a World Champion and you Brits should be proud of him" etc etc etc
Then the guy loses and he's "a classless muppet who thinks he's bigger than he is"

Is TRUSS talking
A/ about Amir Khan
B/ about David Haye
C/ about any British fighter with ambition
D/ out of his hole

Rowley wrote:Remember a couple of years ago Khan made a comment along the lines of he would fancy Floyd but not for a couple of years, everyone slated him to a man for waiting until he got old and looking to pick off his corpse. He got dogs abuse for not wanting to fight him while he was still the best fighter in the world. Floyd is still the best fighter in the world and Khan is wanting to face him and lo and behold he is a deluded uppity fool.

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I personally don’t think Khan has a chance against Floyd but am not going to slate a kid for showing ambition. Cleverly rightly got abuse from all comers for facing nobodies as a world champion but we slate someone who clearly does not want to do this.

I see Khan has his fans on here.

I just don't understand why people stick up for him. He is clearly always in the wrong. Khan stated as rowley said that he wanted to wait untill Mayweather gets very old. I slated him then and now for still wanting to face Mayweather when he has not deserved a shot. For Khan to face Mayweather he needs to clean up his division and then clean up at welter.

Then maybe.

Why would he need to do that, had Hatton cleaned up at light welter and welter when he faced Floyd. Had Guerrero, had Ortiz or Judah?

Curious as to why we set the bar higher for Khan than others. Should add I don’t think Khan is a particularly exciting or credible opponent for Floyd but if he gets a win over Alexander he is not too far off and for the life of me I cannot see why we would ask Khan to do more than anyone else to get a shot.

I stick up for him because I like him. He tends to be in exciting fights and wants to face the best in the sport, what is not to like about that?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

If Peterson wasn't another caught US drug cheat then Khan would have avenged that 'loss'

I won't oblige him..today me thinks.

DAVE667 wrote:"He's a World Champion and you Brits should be proud of him" etc etc etc
Then the guy loses and he's "a classless muppet who thinks he's bigger than he is"

Is TRUSS talking
A/ about Amir Khan
B/ about David Haye
C/ about any British fighter with ambition
D/ out of his hole

Here is me thinking I applaud Hatton, Barker and the like..........for overachieving..

Either add to the debate or find a thread more suited to your depth of knowledge......Maybe Shengy can help out there..

Rowley wrote:Why would he need to do that, had Hatton cleaned up at light welter and welter when he faced Floyd. Had Guerrero, had Ortiz or Judah?

Curious as to why we set the bar higher for Khan than others. Should add I don’t think Khan is a particularly exciting or credible opponent for Floyd but if he gets a win over Alexander he is not too far off and for the life of me I cannot see why we would ask Khan to do more than anyone else to get a shot.

I stick up for him because I like him. He tends to be in exciting fights and wants to face the best in the sport, what is not to like about that?

The best in the sport?????

You mean like Diaz and Molina? yeah I see how they represent the best in the sport jeff. Khan is the one shouting from the roof tops about how great he is. Look at how he treats fellow Brit Kell Brook. According to Khan Brook is several levels below him so he refuses to even entertain the idea of fighting him even tho it would be a major fight here in Blighty. So he faces Tijuanna bin man Diaz and gets SLAPPED WHATS NOT TO LIKE AS YOU SAY?

Khan needs to avange his losses as TRUSS has stated then clean up light weight and welter because up to now he has not really impressed on a world stage. His best win came against Maidiana who brutally abused Khan for 12 rounds. Khan was lucky to get the nod and looked like sh*t after the fight.

Khan needs to finish what he failed to start domestically and then start over on the world stage to get a fight with Floyd.

In fairness Khan has taken on some real challenges and should be applauded for it............However he can't be taken seriously until he tries to avenge his defeats........

Problem is the kid lives in Khan-land....where we should revere him and forget he's been slammed out...

and If you don't the race card comes out..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

If Peterson wasn't another caught US drug cheat then Khan would have avenged that 'loss'

I won't oblige him..today me thinks.

Did I say something incorrect?

Did not say he fought the best in the sport, said he wanted to, there is a difference. He has recently suffered a brutal knockout and changed trainer. His last two fights have been sensible opponents, to attempt to rebuild his confidence and learn the things his trainer is trying to add to his arsenal.

His next opponent looks to be Alexander, a marked step up in class and a credible world level fighter. If he wins he will be bang in the mix at welter. I say all this as someone who does not much rate the kid but do think he often gets held up to a different standard as everyone else. Don't much care if he loses a few along the way, he is trying to face decent opponents. Would assume if he had stayed with Warren and was currently into his 300th defence of his WBO title against yet another guy nobody had heard of we would all be much happier.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:In fairness Khan has taken on some real challenges and should be applauded for it............However he can't be taken seriously until he tries to avenge his defeats........

Problem is the kid lives in Khan-land....where we should revere him and forget he's been slammed out...

and If you don't the race card comes out..

Ah yes Khan land where he totally outboxed a drugged up Peterson, where Garcia was being taught a lesson for 2 rounds and then got lucky, where Prescott also got lucky and was never really on Khans level to begin with.

Yes Khan land ''somewhere over the Khan land''

Rowley wrote:Did not say he fought the best in the sport, said he wanted to, there is a difference. He has recently suffered a brutal knockout and changed trainer. His last two fights have been sensible opponents, to attempt to rebuild his confidence and learn the things his trainer is trying to add to his arsenal.

His next opponent looks to be Alexander, a marked step up in class and a credible world level fighter. If he wins he will be bang in the mix at welter. I say all this as someone who does not much rate the kid but do think he often gets held up to a different standard as everyone else. Don't much care if he loses a few along the way, he is trying to face decent opponents. Would assume if he had stayed with Warren and was currently into his 300th defence of his WBO title against yet another guy nobody had heard of we would all be much happier.

Maybe you can't see or you don't want to jeff.

Khan has called out Bradley, Mathese, Urango, and faced none of them.

It may sound like he wants to fight the best but he has no intention of doing so.

In fairness everytime he gets close to landing a big fight he gets beat..

But people are still ducking him anyway..

Think even the staunchest of Khan critics acknowledged on here the failure for the Bradley fight did not rest with Khan. Bradley was in dispute with his promoter and as soon as this cleared up the Manny fight appeared which he obviously took over Khan as it represented a far better payday.

Do Matthese and Urango really represent a great step up in quality than Garcia, Paulie and Judah who Khan has faced?

Well i think Mathyssee is the best at LWW so yep.....but time will tell on sept 14th when he faces another stern step up....although i think garcias very over rated so for me i see Mathyssee really going a massive job on him. EKO but here is to hoping to a brutal beat down before then deciding to stop him at 2:59 of the 12th.

The Alexander fight is all but signed isn't it? Agreed with the Devon camp I read this morning at least, no way he's being ducked this time around. I think Alexander quite fancies knocking Khan out and why shouldn't he?

Like him or loath him, I think Khan will be missed when he's gone.

Can't stand Khan, the fact is he just isn't very smart and it shows in his interviews

You'd think he was some feared fighter the way he goes on and barks about this fighter and that fighter being scared to fight him yet every time someone calls him out he is out of there league

The Alexander negotiations have been drawn out for one reason, Khan pushing and pushing for the fight to be in Dubai for a few extra bob but away from there respective fanbases who can't afford Dubai

I think he should just stop talking, he went life and death with a gatekeeper in Diaz for christ sake, and try get big fights by earning it not talking your way into it. I think he has declined anyway, he's a fighter that has got through mostly on his athletic advantages but has taken too many shots and is losing the gifts that have pulled him through

He will be floyds next opponent provided he beat Canelo and Khan gets past Devon (which i doubt he will) as Schaefer wants Mayweather to get a KO win so the viewers don't go south after the Canelo fight as there aren't many big names left after Saul

Huge underachiever for sure..

so far..

Have all the skill in the world but if you're dumb you're dumb..

I love the way people say he's skilled. Skill is not dropping your right hand when you throw your jab. Or is that just basics?

He's outboxed everyone he's fought.....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's outboxed everyone he's fought.....

Think Prescott may disagree with you.

Bless him If he did..

two_tone wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's outboxed everyone he's fought.....

Think Prescott may disagree with you.

He might, but he might not and he won't care because he's too hepped up on goofballs.

You don't win an Olympic Silver by being rubbish at boxing. However, you do need to move on from that and work on your game for the professional game.

I salute khan for his self-belief and his speed. However his desire to "tough it out" with anyone who hits him flush (see Maidana, Garcia) is a serious flaw that he needs to fix. He is good enough to win a belt in the divisions he's in. Good enough to beat the best? Not really. As for the title "What is the point of this guy?", well, Truss, he's an Olympic Silver Medallist from the 2004 Athens games who turned pro, showed promise, got KO'd and worked his way back to become a World Champ at Light-welter before losing the title by KO. He's actually something to cheer about, given our lack of meaningful World Champs. However, you my friend are sounding like the brush you tar us Brits with, and are knocking the guy when he's been successful. Shame on you  

Mr Bounce wrote:You don't win an Olympic Silver by being rubbish at boxing. However, you do need to move on from that and work on your game for the professional game.

I salute khan for his self-belief and his speed. However his desire to "tough it out" with anyone who hits him flush (see Maidana, Garcia) is a serious flaw that he needs to fix. He is good enough to win a belt in the divisions he's in. Good enough to beat the best? Not really. As for the title "What is the point of this guy?", well, Truss, he's an Olympic Silver Medallist from the 2004 Athens games who turned pro, showed promise, got KO'd and worked his way back to become a World Champ at Light-welter before losing the title by KO. He's actually something to cheer about, given our lack of meaningful World Champs. However, you my friend are sounding like the brush you tar us Brits with, and are knocking the guy when he's been successful. Shame on you  

Hatton's biggest fan Mate...so you're assessment of me is out..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:"He's a World Champion and you Brits should be proud of him" etc etc etc
Then the guy loses and he's "a classless muppet who thinks he's bigger than he is"

Is TRUSS talking
A/ about Amir Khan
B/ about David Haye
C/ about any British fighter with ambition
D/ out of his hole

Here is me thinking I applaud Hatton, Barker and the like..........for overachieving..

Either add to the debate or find a thread more suited to your depth of knowledge......Maybe Shengy can help out there..

You're a hypocrite son, one minute you're telling us that Khan should be treasured along with Haye and that history will be kinder to them than we are at present. Next thing you know, you're slating both Khan and Haye and calling them jokes.

Pick a side lad, and stick to it.

I do think Brits are hard on there own sportsmen yes..........

I never wrote history will be kinder to Haye and Khan..........

I rate Khan and Haye I'm just saying you should avenge your defeats..

Haye's problems are more to do with bottling it and accusing others of wrongly ducking him..

So calm down...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I do think Brits are hard on there own sportsmen yes..........

I never wrote history will be kinder to Haye and Khan..........

I rate Khan and Haye I'm just saying you should avenge your defeats..

Haye's problems are more to do with bottling it and accusing others of wrongly ducking him..

So calm down...

Says the guy asking what the point is of Amir Khan...and you're not JUST saying Khan should avenge his defeats, you're slating him for wanting to face the likes of Mayweather despite his recent poor/average showings. You've also pretty muc said the same about Haye and his desire to face the K's.

I'm suggesting that he won't be number 1 by beating Mayweather which he thinks he will be..

Stop twisting it....you wally..

tommyhearnsprodigalson wrote:"He used to say he was the best 140 pounder in the world then he met Maidiana and Garcia"

He beat Maidana mate and was beating Garcia until he decided to keep his right hand down for some reason.

He got knocked down in the 3rd round and knocked out in the 4th. Not like he was winning up until the 10h or 11th round then you could use that argument but getting ko'd so early there is no excuse.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm suggesting that he won't be number 1 by beating Mayweather which he thinks he will be..

Stop twisting it....you wally..

Hatton thought he'd be p4p top dog by beating Manny...don't recall the same level of vitriol being reserved for him. Think you're the one being the wally for getting so bent out of shape by one fighter saying he can beat another.

Well Donald Curry was dominating McCallum for the first two rounds of there fight before getting sparked in the 4th while Graham was embarrassing Jackson before THAT punch in the 4th. It happens.

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm suggesting that he won't be number 1 by beating Mayweather which he thinks he will be..

Stop twisting it....you wally..

Hatton thought he'd be p4p top dog by beating Manny...don't recall the same level of vitriol being reserved for him. Think you're the one being the wally for getting so bent out of shape by one fighter saying he can beat another.

what's the point...shut up. !!

5th round ghosty...........and Graham-Jackson is a good call........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm suggesting that he won't be number 1 by beating Mayweather which he thinks he will be..

Stop twisting it....you wally..

Hatton thought he'd be p4p top dog by beating Manny...don't recall the same level of vitriol being reserved for him. Think you're the one being the wally for getting so bent out of shape by one fighter saying he can beat another.

what's the point...shut up. !!

5th round ghosty...........and Graham-Jackson is a good call........

Sunshine, you appear to be a fool of the highest order and this sort of response does little to change anyone's opinion. You say Khan should fight Garcia again...fair do's but at what weight? Garcia isn't moving up any time soon and Khan isn't moving back down. You also claim that Khan isn't a big draw (neither is Garcia) so where's the clamour for the fight that's likely to generate the money to make it viable? Or perhaps you'd like them to fight at catchweight so you can be critcal of the outcome?

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm suggesting that he won't be number 1 by beating Mayweather which he thinks he will be..

Stop twisting it....you wally..

Hatton thought he'd be p4p top dog by beating Manny...don't recall the same level of vitriol being reserved for him. Think you're the one being the wally for getting so bent out of shape by one fighter saying he can beat another.

what's the point...shut up. !!

5th round ghosty...........and Graham-Jackson is a good call........

Sunshine, you appear to be a fool of the highest order and this sort of response does little to change anyone's opinion. You say Khan should fight Garcia again...fair do's but at what weight? Garcia isn't moving up any time soon and Khan isn't moving back down. You also claim that Khan isn't a big draw (neither is Garcia) so where's the clamour for the fight that's likely to generate the money to make it viable? Or perhaps you'd like them to fight at catchweight so you can be critcal of the outcome?

He can't anymore now his BFF has made a heavier fighter come down for a catchweight. Basically killed one his favourite Manny-bashing arguments.

Sunshine.......Yes very good....

I'm suggesting he avenges his defeats..........Or shouldn't a proud warrrior want to....

regardless of payment...........Ali and the like couldn't sleep at night knowing someone besteed them..

Not an anti-Brit thing...........No one was happier for Barker than me..

As for Hatton he was a huge over-achiever and I admire them..

Didn't get his toe out at conferences either.

Barker was probably happier.....

mobilemaster8 wrote:Barker was probably happier.....

Funny thing is no one begrudges him picking the easiest option...........Whereas Broner got nothing but smack for Paulie..two weight divisions above his fighting level.

Still we won't go there..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Sunshine.......Yes very good....

I'm suggesting he avenges his defeats..........Or shouldn't a proud warrrior want to....

regardless of payment...........Ali and the like couldn't sleep at night knowing someone besteed them..

Not an anti-Brit thing...........No one was happier for Barker than me..

As for Hatton he was a huge over-achiever and I admire them..

Didn't get his toe out at conferences either.

Froch doesn't seem overly keen on fighting Ward does he? No...wants to fight Kessler again now he's a busted flush with no appetite for the hard graft any longer. Slates Groves then agrees to fight him only when he's informed he'll be stripped of his tite. Proud Warrior my hole!

Ali was always going to make money as the most charismatic man ever to lace up the gloves, it was never going to be an issue for him so it's a soft argument to say he couldn't sleep at night regardless of money.

You're pleased for Brits when it suits your agenda...other than that you're happy to bed hop more than Katie Price

Froch made good against Kessler..and has made overtures to Ward..

Bad example..