Should Garcia take the blame for the end of Margarito's career?

Antonio's Margarito's career hangs in the balance his much anticipated re-match with Miguel Cotto has been called off because the orbital bone that was broken in the fight with Manny Pacquiao has not healed properely and may never.

In the fight Pacquiao caught Margarito with several flush blows to the face, an almighty uppercut in round 4 is thought to be the punch that broke the bone, with Garcia and other ringside observers clamining they heard it break.

Come the 9th round Margarito's face was a mess, his eyes were closed over and he had lost every round, and now Pacquiao was hitting at will.

It should have been stopped then but Garcia and the ref let it continue, it got so bad in the 11th that Pacquiao started pulled his punches and looking at the ref to stop it. Pacquiao ease off but game Marg still came forward and had to take some half thrown punches.

After the fight Pacquiao said he didn't want to cause Margarito serious damage, but Garcia said he was never going to pull Margarito out of there because he is Mexican.

Now that seems wholly irresponsible to me, when your fighter is too brave you have to act in his best interests and protect your fighter from permanent injury or even worse.

Garcia is a good young trainer but he didn't do good by his fighter on that night and it probably has cost Margarito his career.

I hope Garcia has learned his lesson and does not allow any of his fighters to take unnecessary punishment ever again.

he should take the blame fully, Margarito wasnt going to win the fight, he was being battered, he should of stepped in so his fighter could fight another day, he may not fight again now

If it's true then he has to take the lions share of the responsibility.

Although if margarito bothered to use anything other than his face to defend himself it may not have happened.

Will anyone shed any tears if this guy doesn't fight again? Of if Arum doesn't get to cash in on a rematch with Cotto after the way he embarrassed the great fighter at the mayorga presser? Certainly not me. Karma's a bitch sometimes.

Was hoping Cotto would retire him for good after what Arum did to him after the Mayorga fight.

I was angry for Cotto so god knows what he felt.

I never wish harm on anyone, but i was hoping Cotto would deliver a slow beatdown before unleashing hell in the last few rounds, maybe even landing a few illegal blows after the bell etc. Margarito is scum, no wonder he and Arum get along so well.

Not excusing Garcia but if a fighter is known to have a certain style and a solid chin then it does influence how his corner and the ref act.

I heard regarding the Gatti-Ward 1 fight that the ref said he would have stopped it towards the end with most other fighters but he knew this was Gatti's style and something he regularly did so allowed it to carry on.

True Coxy, it was despicable of Arum to have Margarito gate crash Cotto's post fight press conference and shows the lack of respect he has for his fighters, especially such a long standing servant like Cotto who has raked in loads of money for him.

At least Arum won't have long left to mess people around in this sport.

The referee's responsibility is to stop it if the boxer is in immediate danger and not able to defend himself.

It's the corner's responsibility if they are taking sustained high levels of punishment for no benefit.

Same as the Briggs vs Vitali fight. Referee did nothing wrong, yes the corners are to blame.

Scott

The ref is allowed to stop the fight if one boxer is one the end of a beating. both corner and ref failed Briggs and Marg in their respective fights.

Apologies for appearing arguementative, but one could point to Cotto vs Manny for a ref jumping in after one guy has taken a beating.. General consensus was he should've been pulled earlier and the ref wasn't going to let him continue even though he wasn't out on his feet etc.

Unfortunately most boxers (Excluding Dirrell, Cintron et co) are too brave for their own good, if the corner doesn't act the ref should or vice a versa. Both would be equally liable in a manslaughter case IMO.

I know he's allowed to, I just don't think he should be blamed for not doing.

There was an obvious break in the Pacquiao-Cotto fight, there wasn't in the Margarito or Briggs fights. Sounds harsh to say, but against Pacquiao Cotto pretty much quit, he went to a knee and covered his face. It was an obvious point for the ref to step in.

Scottrf wrote:I know he's allowed to, I just don't think he should be blamed for not doing.

There was an obvious break in the Pacquiao-Cotto fight, there wasn't in the Margarito or Briggs fights. Sounds harsh to say, but against Pacquiao Cotto pretty much quit, he went to a knee and covered his face. It was an obvious point for the ref to step in.

Cotto never took a knee against pacquiao, although he was in survival mode from rd 6 onwards. That fight shouldve been stopped in the 9th when Cotto was in all sorts of trouble and had been on the back foot for 3 rds (and not least coz that's the round I'd bet on manny to win in!).

Perhaps I have muddled the finish to that and Margarito-Cotto in my head. I think the referee is more responsible for if there are unanswered punches or lack of a defense rather than accumulated punishment through the fight. The trainers should protect their fighter in that case.

I think the beating Briggs took was far worse than Mararito's.

Margarito, although on the receiving end of a pounding never IMO looked in trouble and was happy to take the shots.

Briggs looked in trouble IMO, his expression looked like he was and didn't want to continue but his pride wouldn't let him.

Valero's Conscience wrote:I think the beating Briggs took was far worse than Mararito's.

Margarito, although on the receiving end of a pounding never IMO looked in trouble and was happy to take the shots.

Briggs looked in trouble IMO, his expression looked like he was and didn't want to continue but his pride wouldn't let him.

Both were incredibly brave. Margarito's performance was the bravest i've seen in the ring.

I think Margarito wanted to finish the fight at all costs. between rounds he was always adamantly saying he was ok. The Pacquiao beating was in some ways his redemption.

Am I alone in seeing the point of this article?

I think Manny Pacquiao should get credit here, for ending the career of the disreputable Margarito.

Manny is the greatest.

All hail Manny P.

Union Cane wrote:Am I alone in seeing the point of this article?

I think Manny Pacquiao should get credit here, for ending the career of the disreputable Margarito.

Manny is the greatest.

All hail Manny P.

I think trainers are being irresponsible to even let their fighters in the ring with Pacquiao.

Roger Mayweather is the only trainer that truly cares about his boxer.

Margarito was shot to pieces by the time he fought Manny anyway. It was a 24 carat nail in his coffin.

Margarito was shot to pieces by the time he fought Manny anyway. It was a 24 carat nail in his coffin.
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i thought he might be because he fought Pacquiao

Poll added!!!

I voted yes because i'm determined to not be a miserable git this afternoon. I.e. the word "no" won't be used

What's the question?

It looks like Margarito's career is over, as he has a detached retina as well as a broken orbital bone that has not healed.

I hope Garcia can sleep at night.

D4thincarnation wrote:I hope Garcia can sleep at night.

Why are you such a big fan of margarito D4?

He was a one dimensional plodding slugger with very limited boxing skill, and he was caught red handed attempting to cheat in a way that couldve critically injured another fighter. Then there's the question of how many times he'd used that trick and gotten away with it.

He did NOT deserve that fight with Pacquiao but it seems to have done him more harm than good in the long run.

Who cares if his career is over, he won't be missed.

You reap what you sow

As to the point in question it simply isn't the mexican way to either quit or pull your fighter out, it's expected of you to fight to the end no matter what

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:I hope Garcia can sleep at night.

Why are you such a big fan of margarito D4?

He was a one dimensional plodding slugger with very limited boxing skill, and he was caught red handed attempting to cheat in a way that couldve critically injured another fighter. Then there's the question of how many times he'd used that trick and gotten away with it.

He did NOT deserve that fight with Pacquiao but it seems to have done him more harm than good in the long run.

Who cares if his career is over, he won't be missed.

That answer could be zero.

Margarito was a very good fighter, most avoided man in boxing. Great chin great work rate, fabulous body puncher always came to fight.


Garcia let his man down and cost him his career, and why? because he is Mexican as Garcia put it.

It doesn't matter if your fighter will be unhappy with you meant to have your fighter's best interest at heart.

We all knew it should have been stopped, but Garcia failed to act.

The ref and the doctor could have expressed their concerns, but neither did. Margarito wasn't all that avoided either.

That answer COULD be zero, but we'll never know and the evidence isn't in his favour.

Who was he avoided by? Silly me knew this was going to come up sooner or later, sorry guys.

Clottey, Cotto, Mosley, Williams and Santos were all more than happy to meet him

Like I said D4 we're not Mexican things do work differently there and you can't simply apply the british way of doing things to every country

The Mighty Atom wrote:Who was he avoided by? Silly me knew this was going to come up sooner or later, sorry guys.

Clottey, Cotto, Mosley, Williams and Santos were all more than happy to meet him

Like I said D4 we're not Mexican things do work differently there and you can't simply apply the british way of doing things to every country

Mayweather avoid Margarito, it is well documented. Alzo Judah and Spinks avoided him.

When Pacquiao was given Barrera a beating, his corner stepped in and stopped the fight.

Very poor show by Garcia.

Not the most avoided man in boxing then

I remember the uproar when Chavez was retired in his corner against De La Hoya were he not who he was he'd not have been so easily forgiven

The Mighty Atom wrote:Not the most avoided man in boxing then

I remember the uproar when Chavez was retired in his corner against De La Hoya were he not who he was he'd not have been so easily forgiven

A trainer first duty should be to the health of the fighter.

We are not Mexican so you cannot apply what we believe should be the case, each nationality and each fighter is different

Should Taylor have been pulled out by his corner against Chavez? Possibly but being a philadelphia fighter he'd never have forgiven them for it nor would I imagine Margarito would

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Who was he avoided by? Silly me knew this was going to come up sooner or later, sorry guys.

Clottey, Cotto, Mosley, Williams and Santos were all more than happy to meet him

Like I said D4 we're not Mexican things do work differently there and you can't simply apply the british way of doing things to every country

Mayweather avoid Margarito, it is well documented. Alzo Judah and Spinks avoided him.

When Pacquiao was given Barrera a beating, his corner stepped in and stopped the fight.

Very poor show by Garcia.

That doesn't make him THE MOST AVOIDED fighter though. Please don't use this thread as a Trojan horse through which to bring THOSE two into the conversation.

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Not the most avoided man in boxing then

I remember the uproar when Chavez was retired in his corner against De La Hoya were he not who he was he'd not have been so easily forgiven

A trainer first duty should be to the health of the fighter.

Amen to that.It is also why Eddy Futch is the greatest trainer of the modernish era .
I have less than zero sympathy for Margarito though and hope that he has his karma for the Cotto fight.He is scum and Pac goes down in my estimation for giving him that pay day

It doesn't matter if they forgive you or not, very selfish reasons and not very strong.

Frazier is still angry to this day that Futch pulled him out of the fight with Ali, but does Futch care?

No, because he didn't want Frazier to die in the ring.

Like I said each case is different, in this country and in America we have very different views to those in Mexico and ultimately it is there views that count in this instance

I personally think he should have been pulled but can understand why he was not

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Who was he avoided by? Silly me knew this was going to come up sooner or later, sorry guys.

Clottey, Cotto, Mosley, Williams and Santos were all more than happy to meet him

Like I said D4 we're not Mexican things do work differently there and you can't simply apply the british way of doing things to every country

Mayweather avoid Margarito, it is well documented. Alzo Judah and Spinks avoided him.

When Pacquiao was given Barrera a beating, his corner stepped in and stopped the fight.

Very poor show by Garcia.

That doesn't make him THE MOST AVOIDED fighter though. Please don't use this thread as a Trojan horse through which to bring THOSE two into the conversation.

Margarito was widely considered the most avoided man in boxing around 2005-2007.

He was the no1 contend at welter for the reign of 3 champs and they all never took him on.

Margarito the most avoided man in boxing?

Sergio Martinez, Daniel Santos, Kermit Cintron, Paul Williams, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao.

Just some of the names that feature on his CV, which goes to show this suggestion is complete fallacy.

Caught red handed with loaded gloves, yet some are mourning his probable departure from the sport.

Good riddance.

As i said earlier a piece of rudey poo that shouldnt have had any more fights
Still got them though which shows the money takes all attitude of the sport

I hope he never fights again he could have done some real damage to Mosley and this c**p about the Poochi fight being redemption is just pure rudey poo.

Good riddance a disgrace to the sport.

I really wish that it was cotto that could beat him into retirement. He goes his entire career seceding with hos chin and them retires due to facial damage. I though he could have recieved this kind of damage in the Mosley or cotto fight where he took real punishment. He is an embarrassment to the sport, he shouldnt have fought pacquiao regardless.