Scarlets v Glasgow Warriors, 5 October

by **George Carlin** Mon 30 Sep 2013, 7:26 am

First topic message reminder :

Scarlets v Glasgow Warriors

Saturday 5 October 2013, KO: 18:30
Parc y Scarlets, Llanelli

Referee: Giuseppe Vivarini (FIR, 8th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Chris Williams, Phil Fear (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Ray Wilton (WRU)
TMO: Tim Hayes (WRU)

LIVE on S4C/BBC ALBA

A. Teams:

I. Scarlets
Scarlets v Glasgow Warriors, 5 October - Page 4 Scarle11

Scarlets v Glasgow Warriors, 5 October - Page 4 Scarle11

15 Liam Williams
14 Nick Reynolds
13 Jon Davies (c)
12 Gareth Maule
11 Jordan Williams
10 Rhys Priestland
9 Rhodri Williams

1 Phil John
2 Ken Owens
3 Jacobie Adriaanse
4 George Earle
5 Joe Snyman
6 Josh Turnbull
7 John Barclay
8 Rob McCusker

Replacements: Emyr Phillips, Rob Evans, Rhodri Jones, Jake Ball, Aaron Shingler, Aled Davies, Steve Shingler, Adam Warren.

II. Glasgow
Scarlets v Glasgow Warriors, 5 October - Page 4 Glasgo13

Scarlets v Glasgow Warriors, 5 October - Page 4 Glasgo13

15. Sean Maitland
14. Niko Matawalu
13. Mark Bennett
12. Alex Dunbar
11. Sean Lamont
10. Duncan Weir
9. Chris Cusiter

1. Ryan Grant
2. Pat MacArthur
3. Moray Low
4. Tim Swinson
5. Al Kellock (Captain)
6. Robert Harley
7. Chris Fusaro
8. Richie Vernon

16. Fraser Brown
17. Jerry Yanuyanutawa
18. Jon Welsh
19. James Eddie
20. Adam Ashe
21. Scott Wight
22. Gabriel Ascarate
23. DTH van der Merwe

B. Form - head to head:

22 Played 22
12 Wins 10
10 Losses 12
0 Draws 0
61 Tries 58
30 Conversions 41
56 Penalties 50
1 Drop Goals 2
536 Points 528
24 Avg. Age 25

C. Form - last season:

Friday 7 September 2012, 19:35: Scotstoun
Glasgow Warriors 13 - 18 Scarlets

Friday 12 April 2013, 19:05:Parc y Scarlets
Scarlets 29 - 6 Glasgow Warriors

D. Glasgow fans lexicon:

Alphabetty Spaghetti - D.T.H. van der Merwe, wing
Angel - Gabriel Ascarate, centre
Angela - Jon Welsh, prop
Barry - Byron McGuigan, wing
Big Boab - (see Ginger Tackle Monster, the)
Big Mike - (see Coo, the)
Big Naka - Leone Nakarawa, lock/loosie
Bluto - Josh Strauss, loosie/no.8
Centre, the - (see Lesser Messiah, the)
Coo, the - Michael Cusack, prop
Cooseetah - (see Cus)
Cus - Chris Cusiter, scrum half
DTH - (see Alphabetty Spaghetti)
Flippy - (see Toonie)
Fozzy - Christopher Fusaro, loosie
Furra Lineeeee - Peter Horne, centre
Ginger Tackle Monster, the - Rob Harley, loosie
Guns - Tim Swinson, lock
Henners - Henry Pyrgos, scrum half
Hoggy - Stuart Hogg, full back/wing/centre
Ickle Jon - Jonny Gray, lock
Jedi - James Eddie, loosie
Lesser Messiah, the - Richie Vernon, loosie/no.8
Mark of Nazareth - (see Messiah, the)
Meatball, the - Duncan Weir, fly half
Messiah, the/ angel

- Mark Bennett, centre
Niko - Nikola Matawalu, scrum half
Niko's Mate - Jerry Yanuyanutawa, prop
No Maits - Sean Maitland, wing
Rhubarb - Ruaridh Jackson, fly half
Ruck Inspector, the - Alastair Kellock, lock
Schlong - Sean Lamont, centre/wing
Sherlock - Tyrone Holmes, loosie
Shrek - Gordon Reid, prop
Toonie - Gregor Peter John Townsend MBE, head coach
Wee P - Pat MacArthur, hooker
Weegie from Fiji, the - (see Niko)

Now that we've beaten Leinster and Ulster, could Scarlets correctly be described as Glasgow's bogey team?

I think that the only other side which beat us home and away last season was Leinster.

by wales606 Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:16 pm

Awful stamp, clear yellow

This is a chance for the Scarlets now

by GLove39 Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:16 pm

My blood pressure is going through the roof. A yellow card for Niko for attempting to bring back rucking...

Cool heads needed, not play like that.

by wales606 Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:17 pm

GLove39 wrote:My blood pressure is going through the roof. A yellow card for Niko for attempting to bring back rucking...

Stamping on a guys ankle, nowhere near the ball

I think you need to calm down, the ref has given a few 50/50s the Scarlets way - but he has been nowhere near as bad as you are making out.

by **George Carlin** Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:18 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:He is pretty bad though...and I'm technically a neutral!

It must be laughably sho!te in that case, given RDW's usual sang froid. The big feller is Switzerland, usually.

by cakeordeath Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:18 pm

If the ref isn't going to police the break down someone has to

by **George Carlin** Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:18 pm

wales606 wrote:
GLove39 wrote:My blood pressure is going through the roof. A yellow card for Niko for attempting to bring back rucking...
Stamping on a guys ankle, nowhere near the ball

I think you need to calm down, the ref has given a few 50/50s the Scarlets way - but he has been nowhere near as bad as you are making out.

by **George Carlin** Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:20 pm

It's all right lads. Wight's on. Shocked

by GLove39 Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:22 pm

wales606 wrote:
GLove39 wrote:My blood pressure is going through the roof. A yellow card for Niko for attempting to bring back rucking...
Stamping on a guys ankle, nowhere near the ball

I think you need to calm down, the ref has given a few 50/50s the Scarlets way - but he has been nowhere near as bad as you are making out.

I'm not defending Niko, what I meant was that cool heads are needed not brainfarts like that.

by wales606 Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:22 pm

Ref blew early then, I wanted to see the Scarlets try to go 80m

by cakeordeath Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:23 pm

Also it was a stupid thing to do. Bourne out of frustration

by **RDW** Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:23 pm

Great win Glasgow! Yahoo

by GLove39 Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:23 pm

Also speaking of the ref, surely he's blown early there? The Scarlets should have been allowed to take the lineout.

by allyt2k Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:24 pm

eh surely that lineout should have been played?

by **George Carlin** Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:25 pm

Away win against a team we haven't beaten in 4 matches.
I shall take it against a very, very good Scarlets side.

Still 19-15 at Thomond...

by glamorganalun Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:27 pm

The scarlets are getting worse game by game, I bet G North is relieved he got away from this shower, the Dragons will be above the Blues and Scarlets the way it is going this season. It just goes to show what a good coaching team can do with limited resources.

by **George Carlin** Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:27 pm

If we can take down this Munster side at home on 25 October, then I think we can legitimately call ourselves title contenders.

by Dorothy_Mantooth Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:32 pm

Another average performance from us, set piece was at best, "not great", we played for best part of 20 minutes with 14 men and came away with an away win. Will do me!

Missed Jackson in open play, but Weir's kicking was probably crucial.

Ref was what I have come to accept from an Italian in the Pro 12.

by reallybored Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:37 pm

Poor performance but good result.

No idea who I'd pick for Toulon?

by alive555 Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:38 pm

an Italian in the Pro 12 picard

by Manky-Flanker Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:45 pm

When Matawalu got binned, why did the Scarlets go for goal? They were 5 behind with less than 5 mins on the clock and had an extra man! Surely you have to go for the try.

by glamorganalun Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:46 pm

Agree and with a new kicker!

by VinceWLB Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:53 pm

Horne is proving to be the one who is the most missed, Glasgow's backline moves nowhere near as well as last season.
Matawalu reads the game so well, both in attack and in defense.
Scrum was much better with Welsh at TH.

5 wins for Glasgow but only + 26 differential.

by Dorothy_Mantooth Sat 05 Oct 2013, 9:07 pm

alive555 wrote:an Italian in the Pro 12

I meant to add Italian Ref. Whistle

by **George Carlin** Sat 05 Oct 2013, 9:15 pm

VinceWLB wrote:Horne is proving to be the one who is the most missed, Glasgow's backline moves nowhere near as well as last season.
Matawalu reads the game so well, both in attack and in defense.
Scrum was much better with Welsh at TH.

5 wins for Glasgow but only + 26 differential.

Really hard to judge from the numbers. Ulster have conceded marginally fewer points than us, but we have conceded fewer tries than anyone else in the league. The part that's missing from last season is our ability to score freely. We've shown signs of it, but there isn't the same fluency yet that we had in the second part of last season. Bit churlish to complain, overall - I am delighted with the strength in depth in the squad - having Ryder, Swinson, Al and Ickle Jon is a pretty substantial boiler house and in the absence of Cusack, I think that tonight proves our best front row is Grant, MacArthur and Welsh.

by Manky-Flanker Sat 05 Oct 2013, 9:22 pm

Would have been interesting to see what the WarriorsRefLink would have said about the game. However, I think that feed is only used for home games.

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:18 pm

Points difference means absolutely feck all when you win all 22 games Yahoo

by Guest Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:23 pm

God that was painful. Easterby needs to release the shackles or be released from his job. He's managed to turn one of the most exciting attacking teams in Europe into the most predictable and anaemic backline in the PRO12 in two seasons. Admittedly the personnel are different than the quality we had a few seasons ago, but it's diabolical that the sole tactic seems to be bash it up and hope for the best.

So much possession and territory in that second half, and we only won it 6-3. Glasgow fully deserved the win to be honest, showed far more intent and danger in the first half. Having watched the NZ SA game earlier today, it's pitiful that good and decent players should be hampered by the coaching newspeak of "accuracy" and "management" when in reality they are only being accurate in producing slow ball for runners who are easily felled. I would much rather have seen 5 more knock ons trying to utilise any quick ball that is generated, than keep the ball pointlessly through phase after phase until, surprisingly, the ball is forced and it ends up with Scott Williams throwing an impossible ball to Jon Davies to drop/miss/knock on.

The pack isn't good enough, or not willing to put their bodies on the line. Which is fine, you can say there simply isn't enough money in the region. But the persistence with these tactics neither benefits the individual players nor the team as a whole; they're not good enough to play attritional, grind it out rugby. They remind me of Wales three years ago, relying on between 3-5 penalty goal kicks a game to win them matches; the sole difference is the Scarlets don't have Shane to throw the ball to to get them out of trouble when they're 10 points behind. Wales finally have found players who have met the standard required for the gameplan, and even then it's a style that is seriously susceptible to a strong pack who can also move them about the pitch, and at pace. It is truly inimical to the grassiest of grass roots player that, in taking 5 seconds to 'set' your attacking forward, you benefit your team; you do not, you simply allow the defence to get in place and line up your receiver, and he invariably gets smashed behind the gainline.

Easterby has improved the forwards in terms of concession of penalties and 'discipline' to a style of play. Clearly he is a decent forwards coach, or perhaps defence coach, though there seems to be some lacking in this department (i know McCusker isn't a number 8, but he needs to stop defending on the fringes of rucks and mauls and get stuck in like a true blindside would). The 15 plays like a pack of forwards; conservatively, and whenever they are rewarded with a penalty, they want to see it turned into points, not risked through quick taps or kicks to the corner. This is a directive from a forwards coach, believing that if everyone grafts like a forward, cutting out "errors", you will win games. As mentioned above, the Dragons brought in Lyn and Kingsley when their acting Head Coach was clearly not up to the job, and he returned to specialist coaching. Likewise at the Blues with Phil Davies coming in. Evidently, a specialist Head Coach, one who can manage the whole club and delegate effectively, is needed. I don't buy the notion that you build from the basics in terms of having a pack and defence, and then the tries will come later when these areas are settled and working well. If you inhibit players from running the ball, they won't be able to do it when it matters.

Well done Glasgow, on the first half performance, and the run of results, it seems that a play off place ought to be yours.

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:37 pm

Yes well miaow in all honesty The Warriors will have to up their games. Some of the poor refereeing decisons did not help the flow of the game and the ref lost or never ever had any control of the scrums, which your front row were pulling down illegally but the touch judges decided not to intervene - sudden onset of myopia. Anyway felt we were fortunate but compared to last seasons poor efforts against Scarlets we will take it 5/5 at this stage not bad. at all.

WARRIORS - WHATEVER IT TAKES

by **RDW** Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:51 pm

miaow wrote:God that was painful. Easterby needs to release the shackles or be released from his job. He's managed to turn one of the most exciting attacking teams in Europe into the most predictable and anaemic backline in the PRO12 in two seasons. Admittedly the personnel are different than the quality we had a few seasons ago, but it's diabolical that the sole tactic seems to be bash it up and hope for the best.

So much possession and territory in that second half, and we only won it 6-3. Glasgow fully deserved the win to be honest, showed far more intent and danger in the first half. Having watched the NZ SA game earlier today, it's pitiful that good and decent players should be hampered by the coaching newspeak of "accuracy" and "management" when in reality they are only being accurate in producing slow ball for runners who are easily felled. I would much rather have seen 5 more knock ons trying to utilise any quick ball that is generated, than keep the ball pointlessly through phase after phase until, surprisingly, the ball is forced and it ends up with Scott Williams throwing an impossible ball to Jon Davies to drop/miss/knock on.

The pack isn't good enough, or not willing to put their bodies on the line. Which is fine, you can say there simply isn't enough money in the region. But the persistence with these tactics neither benefits the individual players nor the team as a whole; they're not good enough to play attritional, grind it out rugby. They remind me of Wales three years ago, relying on between 3-5 penalty goal kicks a game to win them matches; the sole difference is the Scarlets don't have Shane to throw the ball to to get them out of trouble when they're 10 points behind. Wales finally have found players who have met the standard required for the gameplan, and even then it's a style that is seriously susceptible to a strong pack who can also move them about the pitch, and at pace. It is truly inimical to the grassiest of grass roots player that, in taking 5 seconds to 'set' your attacking forward, you benefit your team; you do not, you simply allow the defence to get in place and line up your receiver, and he invariably gets smashed behind the gainline.

Easterby has improved the forwards in terms of concession of penalties and 'discipline' to a style of play. Clearly he is a decent forwards coach, or perhaps defence coach, though there seems to be some lacking in this department (i know McCusker isn't a number 8, but he needs to stop defending on the fringes of rucks and mauls and get stuck in like a true blindside would). The 15 plays like a pack of forwards; conservatively, and whenever they are rewarded with a penalty, they want to see it turned into points, not risked through quick taps or kicks to the corner. This is a directive from a forwards coach, believing that if everyone grafts like a forward, cutting out "errors", you will win games. As mentioned above, the Dragons brought in Lyn and Kingsley when their acting Head Coach was clearly not up to the job, and he returned to specialist coaching. Likewise at the Blues with Phil Davies coming in. Evidently, a specialist Head Coach, one who can manage the whole club and delegate effectively, is needed. I don't buy the notion that you build from the basics in terms of having a pack and defence, and then the tries will come later when these areas are settled and working well. If you inhibit players from running the ball, they won't be able to do it when it matters.

Well done Glasgow, on the first half performance, and the run of results, it seems that a play off place ought to be yours.

Count yourself lucky - you could be an Edinburgh fan!

by The Saint Sun 06 Oct 2013, 12:15 am

TJ wrote:stop moaning about the ref. Who do you think you are?

Must have thought he was Welsh for a moment, as it's only us that moan about the ref according to you lot.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Sun 06 Oct 2013, 8:43 am

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote: Anyway felt we were fortunate but compared to last seasons poor efforts against Scarlets we will take it 5/5 at this stage not bad. at all.

WARRIORS - WHATEVER IT TAKES

exackery, after the insipid display at PyS last season, it's good to see that Glasgow have progressed. Winning ugly may not be where we want this team to be, but the free-scoring play will return, I absolutely believe that

by The Saint Sun 06 Oct 2013, 1:12 pm

Glasgow played a good off-loading game. I remember the days when the Scarlets could play like that! I think this coaching staff's days are numbered. They look capable of going winless in Europe again and that could be what seals their fate.

by alexgmacdonald Sun 06 Oct 2013, 7:23 pm

I thought there was a few moments where Glasgow threatened to cut loose. Matawalu was at the centre of the that.

Glad about the win though. Scarlett's definitely had our number last season so a win their is good.

A start of Cardiff, ulster, leinster, zebre and scarlets is a tough one and to come through winning all of them albeit lucky and scrappy at some instances is a great thing for glasgow

by jimbopip Sun 06 Oct 2013, 7:30 pm

alexgmacdonald wrote:I thought there was a few moments where Glasgow threatened to cut loose. Matawalu was at the centre of the that.

Glad about the win though. Scarlett's definitely had our number last season so a win their is good.

A start of Cardiff, ulster, leinster, zebre and scarlets is a tough one and to come through winning all of them albeit lucky and scrappy at some instances is a great thing for ~~glasgow~~ any team.

There fixed that for you Alex. Niko at 9 next week no doubt. Probably split the game with Henry. Cooseater wasn't really creative enough. Scrum is a concern, we will need some serious grunt to take on Toulon, and we haven't really seen that yet. Thought Fozzie looked very good in the first 40.

by **George Carlin** Sun 06 Oct 2013, 8:32 pm

Agree that the Toulon front five will be sizeable. Am not convinced that Ryan Grant has settled into the new scrum laws yet - I think that he misses sizing up for the hit, which he would win more often than not and he also binds very high which whilst legal seems to be queried by some referees. MacArthur looked good and we know now that it has to be Jon Welsh at 3.

Toulon has so much razzle dazzle it's hilarious. Locks will probably be Bakkies Botha and Ali Williams ffs, so it will probably be Big Al and Swinson in the boiler room - I would love to see Ryder back but Toonie has made it clear that all returning players need two club games under their belt (Tom has one) and so it's likely to be considered a step too soon.

Loosies will probably be 6. Iso/Juan Smith 7. Armitage and 8. Van Niekirk so Harley, Fozzie and Bluto should be perfect - still annoyed that Ryan Wilson isn't ready although clearly, that's not his fault.

I really think that we can cause an upset if everyone is playing well and we have a full first team out. I am targeting a LBP, with anything more a bonus. I know that we can do it and I would love to squash some of the sanctimonious drivel that has appeared in rugby press columns about how wonderful Toulon are and how they will sweep all before them. Not mentioning any Austin Healey's, sorry, columnists, in particular.

They don't like it up 'em, Captain Mainwaring, sir. They don't like it up 'em.

by TJ Sun 06 Oct 2013, 8:36 pm

Glasgow should be looking to bet toulon. they have shown they need fear no one in europe. A full first team and a good performance is needed tho for sure.

by reallybored Sun 06 Oct 2013, 9:21 pm

15 - Hogg
14 - Maitland
13 - Bennett
12 - Dunbar
11 - DTH
10 - Weir
9 - Niko
8 - Strauss
7 - Fusaro
6 - Harley
5 - Gray
4 - Swinson
3 - Welsh
2 - MacArthur
1 - Grant

16 - Hall
17 - Reid
18 - Low
19 - Kellock
20 - Vernon
21 - Cusiter
22 - Jackson
23 - Lamont

That's what I'd go for, nothing to loose.

by jimbopip Sun 06 Oct 2013, 9:30 pm

I like your side Really, but I'm not sure Hogg is firing on all cylinders yet. NoMaits at 15 DTH and Schlong with Seymour on the bench.
Not sure if that front 5 has the grunt needed, but apart from Ryder, who wont play, I can't see where to go.
P.S. Us top and MFL bottom, what do you bet the 1872 games are the only matches they'll win all season?

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Sun 06 Oct 2013, 9:35 pm

Nah, not a chance J-pip, won't happen! How's them ribs?

by VinceWLB Sun 06 Oct 2013, 9:36 pm

reallybored wrote:15 - Hogg
14 - Maitland
13 - Bennett
12 - Dunbar
11 - DTH
10 - Weir
9 - Niko
8 - Strauss
7 - Fusaro
6 - Harley
5 - Gray
4 - Swinson
3 - Welsh
2 - MacArthur
1 - Grant

16 - Hall
17 - Reid
18 - Low
19 - Kellock
20 - Vernon
21 - Cusiter
22 - Jackson
23 - Lamont

That's what I'd go for, nothing to loose.

Good team but i would have Lamont on the wing, Maitland on the bench, Hall would start too as i think he adds more beef than MacArthur.
Harsh on Kellock but right, he would be 4th choice lock in my book if Ryder was fit.
Shame they screwed it up with Cusack.

by jimbopip Sun 06 Oct 2013, 9:46 pm

Asbo, the MFL should have no chance against any half decent rugby team. Cardiff beat them FFS. But the sporting gods are fickle "Like wanton boys with flies they toy with us for sport" apologies if I misquoted yer man.
Ribs are also fickle, improving then not. Bigson killed me in the gym today. He insists I will be playing on Saturday, need to squeeze in a couple more sessions in before. Sunday we have pencilled in gym session and then back to his for Toulon-Weegies, show his housemates what real rugby is. Will need tetanus and malaria shots before I sit on the sofas. They call it Cat Palace no6. Really?

by reallybored Mon 07 Oct 2013, 12:34 am

I think you start Hogg because he's potentially a game changer and against the European Champions that's probably going to be useful. Played poorly in his 1st game, was more secure in the 2nd yet still a way off his best, but bare in mind that's his first game-time since early-July and he won't have had a full pre-season.

So it's between Hogg, DTH and Lamont really because Maitland has looked dangerous so he starts somewhere. Saying that, wouldn't be overly surprised if Seymour was involved as he's looked very sharp.

Niko needs to play and when he was 9 against Scarlets they tempo definitely increased. Need to attack Toulon and his perpetual motion is likely to cause problems for their big forwards.

Gray ahead of Kellock simply because he's more powerful, both in the tight and loose, and we'll need it against their massive pack.

by **George Carlin** Mon 07 Oct 2013, 7:48 am

About time we moved discussions to here:
https://www.606v2.com/t48600-hc-pool-2-round-1-toulon-v-glasgow-warriors

by yappysnap Mon 07 Oct 2013, 7:54 pm

Quins fan here.

How are Scarlets fans feeling before the Euro match this weekend? Quins are in a pretty poor way at the moment and have some potential injuries to boot so i'm not too keen. Saying that you boys play how we like to (I think) so it should be a good game.

by VinceWLB Mon 07 Oct 2013, 8:40 pm

Scarlets aren't playing an open game beautiful to watch anymore, they have a decent defense a very good scrum and are very easy to defend against. Priestland has been playing well though.

by The Saint Mon 07 Oct 2013, 11:17 pm

They don't have a decent defence... The only area they've improved is in the scrum and maul. Everywhere else, they've gone backwards. I can see them going without a single win in H-cup again.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 08 Oct 2013, 8:23 am

The new scrum laws have really helped the Scarlets, as refs tend to actually pay attention to what is happening rather than just giving pens to the team with the rep.

Our real weakness seems to be at scrum half this season. When the ball is realeased from ruck and mauls with some sort or speed or accuracy we still can put together some good back play, and the loss of North and Fenby hasn't hurt us too much. However at the moment other the Gareth Davies our scrum halves are a bit hit or miss. The other issue our backs have seems to be in the centre, last weekend we butchered a few passes (Foxy overrunning on, passes too hard to him etc), and I honestly think if those passes had stuck we would have been ok.

Defensively we have been pretty poor, and we have leaked some pathetically easy tries.

by **George Carlin** Tue 08 Oct 2013, 8:28 am

Are you happy with the replacements for North and Fenby?

by yappysnap Tue 08 Oct 2013, 8:33 am

Just so you know from a Quins point of view this season we're struggling in the scrums, lineouts and mauls and struggling to create tries.

Only real bright sparks are the backrow, Care at 9 and Mike Brown at 15 nearly every other player is playing poorly or injured.

This is definitely the worst we've been in about 3 seasons so I do rate your chances against us.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 08 Oct 2013, 9:17 am

yappysnap wrote:Just so you know from a Quins point of view this season we're struggling in the scrums, lineouts and mauls and struggling to create tries.

Only real bright sparks are the backrow, Care at 9 and Mike Brown at 15 nearly every other player is playing poorly or injured.

This is definitely the worst we've been in about 3 seasons so I do rate your chances against us.

So except we are doing good in the scrums it looks like it is two off colour sides against each other.

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