Manny news

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Fri 13 May 2011, 6:54 pm

First topic message reminder :

Same as the Floyd thread any Manny news put on this thread to stop the board being cluttered.

by Rowley Fri 20 May 2011, 8:58 am

Coxy have emailed a few writers and to a man they are all more than accomodating. Am in relatively regular contact with Clay Moyle and he is always very useful for stuff like book recommendations. Adam Pollack is always friendly as well, seems genuinely pleased to hear from people. Like you I also butter him up by telling him how much I enjoy his books, but as that is absolutely true is not too fawning

by BALTIMORA Sat 21 May 2011, 1:47 am

http://www.boxingscene.com/diaz-believes-pacquiao-going-blow-marquez-away--39382

Juan Diaz giving his opinion on the forthcoming Marquez Pacquiao fight, and his thoughts on JMM's ability to be successful at higher weights.

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 10:06 am

"They don't understand at all. Because I even tried fighting at 140 pounds once and I was not successful. The way that I explain it to people, at lightweight weight, I will make 135 pounds but the next day I come weighing 145, 146 pounds. That's ten, eleven pounds I'm weighing above the limit. Now, when I fought at 140, I was coming in at 144, 145, the same weight. I was only gaining four or five pounds and the guys at 140 were coming in weighing 153, ten or thirteen pounds heavier than me."

He is saying Manny is a lightweight in reality, thus Pacquiao and Marquez are the same weight.

by BALTIMORA Sat 21 May 2011, 10:14 am

D4thincarnation wrote:
"They don't understand at all. Because I even tried fighting at 140 pounds once and I was not successful. The way that I explain it to people, at lightweight weight, I will make 135 pounds but the next day I come weighing 145, 146 pounds. That's ten, eleven pounds I'm weighing above the limit. Now, when I fought at 140, I was coming in at 144, 145, the same weight. I was only gaining four or five pounds and the guys at 140 were coming in weighing 153, ten or thirteen pounds heavier than me."

He is saying Manny is a lightweight in reality, thus Pacquiao and Marquez are the same weight.

That's not what he's saying at all. Pacquiao won't be losing between five and ten pounds of muscle boiling down to 135.

Add to this that Roach has already stated that size is their main advantage and it all adds up to you talking either lies or gibberish or both, so which is it?

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 10:16 am

JMM is a LW. Pac is a WW. A two weight class difference. Pac is bigger regardless of what you say D4. PAc will be weighing in at his natural weight. Training to come in at his natural weight. JMM will not. Pac is at an advantage against the 38 year old JMM. In short Pac is an absolutely, shafting joke and the sooner he mans up and takes random tests, the better it will be.

How many more carcasses will this guy feed off? Why is he ducking random tests?

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 10:20 am

BALTIMORA wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
"They don't understand at all. Because I even tried fighting at 140 pounds once and I was not successful. The way that I explain it to people, at lightweight weight, I will make 135 pounds but the next day I come weighing 145, 146 pounds. That's ten, eleven pounds I'm weighing above the limit. Now, when I fought at 140, I was coming in at 144, 145, the same weight. I was only gaining four or five pounds and the guys at 140 were coming in weighing 153, ten or thirteen pounds heavier than me."

He is saying Manny is a lightweight in reality, thus Pacquiao and Marquez are the same weight.

That's not what he's saying at all. Pacquiao won't be losing between five and ten pounds of muscle boiling down to 135.

Add to this that Roach has already stated that size is their main advantage and it all adds up to you talking either lies or gibberish or both, so which is it?

Pacquiao come in the same weight and his welter opponent have 10-13 weight advantage.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 21 May 2011, 10:21 am

Worldwide opinion is overwhelmingly that Pacquiao's last three opponents have not been worthy.

I live in hope that Marquez will be.

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 10:23 am

HumanWindmill wrote:Worldwide opinion is overwhelmingly that Pacquiao's last three opponents have not been worthy.

I live in hope that Marquez will be.

38 years old, has seen his best days. Moving up 2 divisions. Yep. Prime Pac feeding frenzy.

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 10:26 am

azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Worldwide opinion is overwhelmingly that Pacquiao's last three opponents have not been worthy.

I live in hope that Marquez will be.

38 years old, has seen his best days. Moving up 2 divisions. Yep. Prime Pac feeding frenzy.

How old was Hopkins when he moved up two division and schooled the number one at the weight?

And Pacquiao and Marquez are the same size, Diaz comments prove it.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 21 May 2011, 10:28 am

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Worldwide opinion is overwhelmingly that Pacquiao's last three opponents have not been worthy.

I live in hope that Marquez will be.

38 years old, has seen his best days. Moving up 2 divisions. Yep. Prime Pac feeding frenzy.

How old was Hopkins when he moved up two division and schooled the number one at the weight?

And Pacquiao and Marquez are the same size, Diaz comments prove it.

Worldwide opinion hasn't trashed Hopkins. It has trashed Manny's last three fights.

by BALTIMORA Sat 21 May 2011, 10:30 am

Diaz's comments certainly do not prove it, and Roach's comments quite clearly indicate that Pacquiao's team consider weight to be their advantage. How much more do you want to lie, ignore reality and generally make a fool of yourself, D4?

by BALTIMORA Sat 21 May 2011, 10:31 am

BALTIMORA wrote:Seems Roach is banking on the size difference being an influential factor in the upcoming Marquez bout:

http://www.boxingscene.com/insider-notebook-roach-admits-fear-marquez-trilogy--39318

Roach says: "I think we're bigger and better now, but that's my good solution, that we're bigger and better now."

No mention of Marquez being bigger also, nor does Roach state or even imply that due to their ring weights that the two guys will be the same size. So there you have it. Size IS the reason for this being at 144.

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 10:34 am

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Worldwide opinion is overwhelmingly that Pacquiao's last three opponents have not been worthy.

I live in hope that Marquez will be.

38 years old, has seen his best days. Moving up 2 divisions. Yep. Prime Pac feeding frenzy.

How old was Hopkins when he moved up two division and schooled the number one at the weight?

And Pacquiao and Marquez are the same size, Diaz comments prove it.

There's a 2 division difference the last time I checked. Perhaps I'm wrong. LW is now the new WW.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 21 May 2011, 10:41 am

Hopkins beat Tarver in his first fight moving up two division
Marquez lost his first fight moving, there is previous evidence to suggest he can't cope at the weight

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 10:43 am

Why is this guy feeding off Floyd's left overs? 3 out of his last fights have been against guys Floyd totally schooled? What qualifies them for a fight at the title anyway?

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 10:59 am

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Hopkins beat Tarver in his first fight moving up two division
Marquez lost his first fight moving, there is previous evidence to suggest he can't cope at the weight

Manny is a lightweight according to Diaz's stats.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 21 May 2011, 11:00 am

Why not fight at 135, then ?

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 21 May 2011, 11:00 am

He's a welterweight hence why he fights there, so would you agree that Mayweather has never been more than a lightweight or light welterweight then?

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 11:02 am

HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 11:03 am

Imperial Ghosty wrote:He's a welterweight hence why he fights there, so would you agree that Mayweather has never been more than a lightweight or light welterweight then?

Mayweather is a true welter, it clear to see he weighs around 155lbs now.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 21 May 2011, 11:03 am

So Mayweather was fighting a better version of Marquez than Pacquiao, never knew that Smile

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 11:03 am

D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

JMM wont have to drain himself to fight Wlad either.

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 11:04 am

D4thincarnation wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:He's a welterweight hence why he fights there, so would you agree that Mayweather has never been more than a lightweight or light welterweight then?

Mayweather is a true welter, it clear to see he weighs around 155lbs now.

So what? Duran regularly weight in around 180 when he was a WW. Did that make him a true LHW?

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 21 May 2011, 11:04 am

D4thincarnation wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:He's a welterweight hence why he fights there, so would you agree that Mayweather has never been more than a lightweight or light welterweight then?

Mayweather is a true welter, it clear to see he weighs around 155lbs now.

Going by your assumption logic, judging by his past ring weights he could have weighed no more than 148lbs against Marquez after all that's what he always weighed so would never weigh more

Owned again

by BALTIMORA Sat 21 May 2011, 11:04 am

I see D4 has conveniently ignored the link to the article where Roach states that weight will play a part in the outcome. Game over.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 21 May 2011, 11:05 am

D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 11:05 am

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

JMM wont have to drain himself to fight Wlad either.

Manny and Marquez are the same size, that can be clearly seen by their ring weights.

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 11:07 am

HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

Armstrong is great no one is doubting that.

Manny Pacquiao also gives away huge amount of weight in the ring, special athletes, Armstrong and Pacquiao.

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 11:07 am

HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

This isn't about old timers windy. This is about a modern boxer who allegedly uses ultra modern "nutrition" to bulk up and maintain punch power. Whistle

by BALTIMORA Sat 21 May 2011, 11:08 am

BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:Seems Roach is banking on the size difference being an influential factor in the upcoming Marquez bout:

http://www.boxingscene.com/insider-notebook-roach-admits-fear-marquez-trilogy--39318

Roach says: "I think we're bigger and better now, but that's my good solution, that we're bigger and better now."

No mention of Marquez being bigger also, nor does Roach state or even imply that due to their ring weights that the two guys will be the same size. So there you have it. Size IS the reason for this being at 144.

Still no answer to Roach's own words then?

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 11:08 am

D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

Armstrong is great no one is doubting that.

Manny Pacquiao also gives away huge amount of weight in the ring, special athletes, Armstrong and Pacquiao.

Doubtful that Hank would have been scared of needles or taking random tests were he to be fighting now.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 21 May 2011, 11:09 am

azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

This isn't about old timers windy. This is about a modern boxer who allegedly uses ultra modern "nutrition" to bulk up and maintain punch power.

Oops ! So it is, mate. But it's still true that Pacquiao doesn't hold a candle to Armstrong as a multi weight champion, as most historians agree.

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 11:09 am

BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:Seems Roach is banking on the size difference being an influential factor in the upcoming Marquez bout:

http://www.boxingscene.com/insider-notebook-roach-admits-fear-marquez-trilogy--39318

Roach says: "I think we're bigger and better now, but that's my good solution, that we're bigger and better now."

No mention of Marquez being bigger also, nor does Roach state or even imply that due to their ring weights that the two guys will be the same size. So there you have it. Size IS the reason for this being at 144.

Still no answer to Roach's own words then?

Fixed

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 21 May 2011, 11:11 am

Armstrong also makes most folks' top tens at welter. Staggering, considering he seldom weighed above 140lb.

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 11:11 am

HumanWindmill wrote:
azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

This isn't about old timers windy. This is about a modern boxer who allegedly uses ultra modern "nutrition" to bulk up and maintain punch power.

Oops ! So it is, mate. But it's still true that Pacquiao doesn't hold a candle to Armstrong as a multi weight champion, as most historians agree.

You dont have to be as knowledgable as I am on oldies Whistle

to realise that what Pac has achieved in no way compares to what Armstrong achieved.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 21 May 2011, 11:12 am

azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

This isn't about old timers windy. This is about a modern boxer who allegedly uses ultra modern "nutrition" to bulk up and maintain punch power.

Oops ! So it is, mate. But it's still true that Pacquiao doesn't hold a candle to Armstrong as a multi weight champion, as most historians agree.

You dont have to be as knowledgable as I am on oldies to realise that what Pac has achieved in no way compares to what Armstrong achieved.

Quite so, az.

Armstrong > Pacquiao at feather, light and welter.

by BALTIMORA Sat 21 May 2011, 11:12 am

I'm waiting to see how poor D4's attempt to tell us what Roach REALLY meant will be.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 21 May 2011, 11:13 am

Giving away a lot of weight on the scales is far more significant than giving weight away in ring, in your own words draining down weakens a boxer

Also worth pointing out that Pacquiao was almost always the bigger man in the lower weights which takes a bit of shine off his multi weight exploits

by azania Sat 21 May 2011, 11:15 am

BALTIMORA wrote:I'm waiting to see how poor D4's attempt to tell us what Roach REALLY meant will be.

He's waiting for the official response from cockRoach.

by BALTIMORA Sat 21 May 2011, 11:19 am

azania wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:I'm waiting to see how poor D4's attempt to tell us what Roach REALLY meant will be.

He's waiting for the official response from cockRoach.

It's the same thing as always. He's been shown up by the official version of events and has no doubt gone off to bury his head in the sand. He'll most likely show up a bit later and pretend it never happened.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 21 May 2011, 11:26 am

Was a particular favourite of mine seeing Davie 'female dog' about that thread yesterday without watching the video, brilliant

by manos de piedra Sat 21 May 2011, 11:32 am

As far as I can tell Roachs comments have nothing to do with Marquez. He said Pacquiao is bigger and better. I assume this means he is bigger and better than when he fought Marquez in 2008. This would strike me as common sense.

Marquez will be bigger when they fight next also though. The size difference between them isnt massive. Pacquiao might be a few pounds bigger now but the difference isnt significant enough to make the fight unworthy.

by BALTIMORA Sat 21 May 2011, 11:37 am

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Was a particular favourite of mine seeing Davie 'female dog' about that thread yesterday without watching the video, brilliant

I watched the first few minutes. Lewis and Bruno looked awful, as did Hopkins. Noticed Pacquiao hitting on the break too. Tut tut.

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 1:20 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:So Mayweather was fighting a better version of Marquez than Pacquiao, never knew that

No Marquez is better at the weight now.

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 1:21 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

Armstrong is great no one is doubting that.

Manny Pacquiao also gives away huge amount of weight in the ring, special athletes, Armstrong and Pacquiao.

Doubtful that Hank would have been scared of needles or taking random tests were he to be fighting now.

Can't remember Hank taking blood tests, can you?

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 1:22 pm

azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

This isn't about old timers windy. This is about a modern boxer who allegedly uses ultra modern "nutrition" to bulk up and maintain punch power.

Yes modern nutrition has helped Pacquiao to surpass Armstrong's achievements.

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 1:24 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:I see D4 has conveniently ignored the link to the article where Roach states that weight will play a part in the outcome. Game over.

Marquez and Pacquiao same weight give or take a couple of lbs.

Skill and ability will determine the outcome of the fight. Pacquiao has more on both accounts.

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 1:27 pm

azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Why not fight at 135, then ?

Because Manny is the welterweight champion and does doesn't want to drain himself to make weight.

Marquez won't have to as well, so it will be a better Marquez.

Proves how great Armstrong was in holding three undisputed titles simultaneously, and defending the welter crown while rarely weighing more than 140lb., especially since the weigh ins then were on the day of the fight. Armstrong was a true great, and the greatest of the multi titlists.

This isn't about old timers windy. This is about a modern boxer who allegedly uses ultra modern "nutrition" to bulk up and maintain punch power.

Oops ! So it is, mate. But it's still true that Pacquiao doesn't hold a candle to Armstrong as a multi weight champion, as most historians agree.

You dont have to be as knowledgable as I am on oldies to realise that what Pac has achieved in no way compares to what Armstrong achieved.

Yes Pacquiao has surpassed Armstrong, he is a 8 weight world champ, and not only beats his opponents but dominates them.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 21 May 2011, 1:29 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:So Mayweather was fighting a better version of Marquez than Pacquiao, never knew that

No Marquez is better at the weight now.

I think he was better at the weight at the time of the Mayweather fight basing it on nothing but opinion plus his ring weight will be about the same prove me wrong?

by D4thincarnation Sat 21 May 2011, 1:29 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Giving away a lot of weight on the scales is far more significant than giving weight away in ring, in your own words draining down weakens a boxer

Also worth pointing out that Pacquiao was almost always the bigger man in the lower weights which takes a bit of shine off his multi weight exploits

No it is not, it is in the ring that matters.

Armstrong was lucky they never had the weigh in 36 hours before the fight back in his day, because it is very unlikey he would have been able to do what he had done.

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