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Same as the Floyd thread any Manny news put on this thread to stop the board being cluttered.

Pacquiao isn't even in the class of Armstrong let alone better than him, 3 titles out 8 available is a far better record than '8' out of 75. Not even comparable in the slightest

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:So Mayweather was fighting a better version of Marquez than Pacquiao, never knew that

No Marquez is better at the weight now.

I think he was better at the weight at the time of the Mayweather fight basing it on nothing but opinion plus his ring weight will be about the same prove me wrong?

Marquez said he was not comfortable at the weight for the Mayweather fight, he also said he needed a couple more fight to get used to the weight.

Him being 145lbs against Kats and looking cut and trim proves he has grown and much more comfortable at the weight.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Pacquiao isn't even in the class of Armstrong let alone better than him, 3 titles out 8 available is a far better record than '8' out of 75. Not even comparable in the slightest

Thats is your opinion I disagree.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Giving away a lot of weight on the scales is far more significant than giving weight away in ring, in your own words draining down weakens a boxer

Also worth pointing out that Pacquiao was almost always the bigger man in the lower weights which takes a bit of shine off his multi weight exploits

No it is not, it is in the ring that matters.

Armstrong was lucky they never had the weigh in 36 hours before the fight back in his day, because it is very unlikey he would have been able to do what he had done.

He would have done just fine with 36 hour weigh ins, he was outweighed as it was and ring weights back then was all true weight and not rehydrated weight, not that you'll understand the difference. It's not like he relies on 36 hour weigh ins like Pacquiao so he could drain down to weights he shouldn't have been fighting at, Armstrong fought on a level playing field whereas Pacquiao does not especially with his shameful catchweight fights and numerous belts to win.

Strange how you ran away when I proved that their is a ring magazine belt, silly little boy

D4thincarnation wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:So Mayweather was fighting a better version of Marquez than Pacquiao, never knew that

No Marquez is better at the weight now.

I think he was better at the weight at the time of the Mayweather fight basing it on nothing but opinion plus his ring weight will be about the same prove me wrong?

Marquez said he was not comfortable at the weight for the Mayweather fight, he also said he needed a couple more fight to get used to the weight.

Him being 145lbs against Kats and looking cut and trim proves he has grown and much more comfortable at the weight.

Well i'll ignore what he says and base it solely on guesswork seems to work well for you, also he can't be more comfortable with the weight because he's not fought there since

Marquez was still really a superfeather when he fought Mayweather, he had not even grown into lightweight.

Now he is an established lightweight, quite big at that weight, Pacquiao too is a lightweight-lightwelter as his ring weights are consitent with fighters from those divsions.

D4, you're just rolling out lies now. FREDDY ROACH has said that the fact Pacquiao is "bigger and better now" is his "good solution". I don't even care for you trying to explain that, because I know that all you'll do is LIE. Seriously, you're pointless to the point that almost the entire board is sick of you.

BALTIMORA wrote:D4, you're just rolling out lies now. FREDDY ROACH has said that the fact Pacquiao is "bigger and better now" is his "good solution". I don't even care for you trying to explain that, because I know that all you'll do is LIE. Seriously, you're pointless to the point that almost the entire board is sick of you.

Pacquiao is 3 lbs bigger, wowee, that huge now isn't it?

D4thincarnation wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Giving away a lot of weight on the scales is far more significant than giving weight away in ring, in your own words draining down weakens a boxer

Also worth pointing out that Pacquiao was almost always the bigger man in the lower weights which takes a bit of shine off his multi weight exploits

No it is not, it is in the ring that matters.

Armstrong was lucky they never had the weigh in 36 hours before the fight back in his day, because it is very unlikey he would have been able to do what he had done.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Stick to Manny.

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:D4, you're just rolling out lies now. FREDDY ROACH has said that the fact Pacquiao is "bigger and better now" is his "good solution". I don't even care for you trying to explain that, because I know that all you'll do is LIE. Seriously, you're pointless to the point that almost the entire board is sick of you.

Pacquiao is 3 lbs bigger, wowee, that huge now isn't it?

It's clearly enough for Roach to stop having Pacquiao ducking Marquez, that and Marquez being 38 by the time they fight.

I guess a couple pounds didn't matter when Mayweather came in at 146 against JMM, instead of meeting the 144 catchweight. If you had half a brain you'd be dangerous.

http://www.boxingscene.com/mosley-talks-pacquiao-mayweather-retirement-more--39419

"Pacquiao hits harder," Shane said, giving a response that elicited some boos from the crowd.

LOL, some people think that Floyd hits harder than Manny.

But nothing lasts forever and Mosley seemed to hint that the end may just be around the corner.

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:D4, you're just rolling out lies now. FREDDY ROACH has said that the fact Pacquiao is "bigger and better now" is his "good solution". I don't even care for you trying to explain that, because I know that all you'll do is LIE. Seriously, you're pointless to the point that almost the entire board is sick of you.

Pacquiao is 3 lbs bigger, wowee, that huge now isn't it?

It's clearly enough for Roach to stop having Pacquiao ducking Marquez, that and Marquez being 38 by the time they fight.

I guess a couple pounds didn't matter when Mayweather came in at 146 against JMM, instead of meeting the 144 catchweight. If you had half a brain you'd be dangerous.

Mayweather was probably around 10lbs heavier than Marquez and that Marquez was still really a superfeather.

Marquez said he was not comfortbale at the weight but would be in a couple more fights.

Marquez also says he beat Pacquiao twice. I assume you also agree with him there too.

Can you prove he was 10lbs heavier, no you can't and judging by his previous ring weights I would assume that Mayweather was about 148lbs especially considering he weighed 150lbs against De La Hoya at Light middleweight being outweighed by a considerable margin.

Your just upset that Manny wont be remembered as a great like the Robinson, Armstrong, Charles, Jofre, Peps of the world

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Can you prove he was 10lbs heavier, no you can't and judging by his previous ring weights I would assume that Mayweather was about 148lbs especially considering he weighed 150lbs against De La Hoya at Light middleweight being outweighed by a considerable margin.

Your just upset that Manny wont be remembered as a great like the Robinson, Armstrong, Charles, Jofre, Peps of the world

Yes he will, and boxing experts agree that he wil

Floyd was a lot bigger, against Marquez than he was against Hatton or Oscar, that can been seen clearly.

Most talk about Pacquiao umongst the experts is whether he'll be a borderline top twenty rather than a P4P top ten or fifteen

It can also be clearly seen that Pacquiao is bigger now at Welterweight than he was at Super featherweight but the ring weights would suggest otherwise, so which is it?

http://www.boxingscene.com/sugar-ray-robinson-meet-manny-pacquiao--17334

No longer does the discussion end with his referral as a modern day Henry Armstrong. It instead extends to where he belongs amongst the ranks of names like Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Duran, Greb and Leonard after racking up the most high-profile win of his career, scoring an upset of the ages after forcing Oscar de la Hoya to quit on his stool after eight shockingly one-sided rounds.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/517120-pacquiao-reaffirms-his-greatness-mauls-margarito-and-wins-8th-world-title

This win carves Pacquiao’s name alongside the legends of the sport—Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong and Joe Louis to name a few.

That guy must have really low standards if he thinks a win over Margarito puts him in that company which anyone sensible will know it does not, he simply doesn't deserve to mentioned among them. You become a great fighter by beating great fighters, he falls well short on that one. Also try finding an article that isn't filled with bias, any article talking about Pacquiao that has to mention Mayweather shouldn't be taken seriously.

Thats your opinion, many boxing writers and fans disagree with your opinion.

Let's be realistic: Pacquiao didn't beat Oscar. Oscar beat Oscar when he decided to drain down to 147. Giving Pacquiao such high praise for that win is like praising Trevor Brick for beating Ali.

Since none of us can truthfully claim to know Mayweather's ring weight against Marquez, what D4 is claiming can NOT be taken as fact. If it is presented as such instead of as conjecture then it is yet another LIE.

Many experts and fans disagree with your opinion so who cares

Can't help the fact Pacquiao isn't as good as you think

D4thincarnation: Yes Pacquiao has surpassed Armstrong, he is a 8 weight world champ, and not only beats his opponents but dominates them.
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You need help with this sick obsession D4.

BALTIMORA wrote:Let's be realistic: Pacquiao didn't beat Oscar. Oscar beat Oscar when he decided to drain down to 147. Giving Pacquiao such high praise for that win is like praising Trevor Brick for beating Ali.

Since none of us can truthfully claim to know Mayweather's ring weight against Marquez, what D4 is claiming can NOT be taken as fact. If it is presented as such instead of as conjecture then it is yet another LIE.

Just the same way you can look at Marquez and see he was carrying extra weight in the Mayweather fight, is the same way people saw Mayweather in that fight and it was clear he was much bigger.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:D4thincarnation: Yes Pacquiao has surpassed Armstrong, he is a 8 weight world champ, and not only beats his opponents but dominates them.
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WUM

You need help with this sick obsession D4.

Why, because I think one fighter is better than another. Nothing wrong in having an opinion.

Manny people in the boxing world agreed that when Pacquiao dominated Oscar he was this generations Henry Armstrong.

Now he has surpassed those achievement, he has also surpassed Hank.

I can understand how some people can favour Hank over Pacquiao, so why can't you respect my opinion.

It was clear to your blinkered eyes he was bigger but to me he looked no bigger than before and had no reason to be

Just a shame he's got no question marks over him with regards to PED's, Teddy Atlas was spot on

Imperial Ghosty wrote:It was clear to your blinkered eyes he was bigger but to me he looked no bigger than before and had no reason to be

Just a shame he's got no question marks over him with regards to PED's, Teddy Atlas was spot on

You must have been the only one that missed it, because lots of people commented on Mayweather increased size.

2 years is plenty of time for PEDs to get out of your system.

It'll be interesting when the truth comes about with regards to the whole PED allegations thing. Shatter a few hearts I imagine.

BALTIMORA wrote:It'll be interesting when the truth comes about with regards to the whole PED allegations thing. Shatter a few hearts I imagine.

Why are you pinning your hope that he is on PEDs.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:D4thincarnation: Yes Pacquiao has surpassed Armstrong, he is a 8 weight world champ, and not only beats his opponents but dominates them.
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WUM

You need help with this sick obsession D4.

Why, because I think one fighter is better than another. Nothing wrong in having an opinion.

Manny people in the boxing world agreed that when Pacquiao dominated Oscar he was this generations Henry Armstrong.

Now he has surpassed those achievement, he has also surpassed Hank.

I can understand how some people can favour Hank over Pacquiao, so why can't you respect my opinion.

No one has ever come close to surpassing Armstrongs achievements, his in a select group of Ross, Canzoneri and Fitzsimmons of being undisputed triple world champions, once Pacquiao does that he can mentioned amongst those guys.

There is a huge difference between being a multi weight belt holder than a multi weight world champion but you'll no doubt proclaim all of Pacquiaos 8 titles to be fully legitimate when he clearly isn't

If you want people to respect your opinion go elsewhere because he aint ever happening on here and it's all your own doing

I can name 30 fighters I think comfortably beat Pacquiao

D4thincarnation wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:It was clear to your blinkered eyes he was bigger but to me he looked no bigger than before and had no reason to be

Just a shame he's got no question marks over him with regards to PED's, Teddy Atlas was spot on

You must have been the only one that missed it, because lots of people commented on Mayweather increased size.

2 years is plenty of time for PEDs to get out of your system.

Course, if you're not going to take the blood test you don't even have to worry about getting them out your system. Pacquiao's career will always be viewed with suspicion because of his reluctance to prove his innocence.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:It was clear to your blinkered eyes he was bigger but to me he looked no bigger than before and had no reason to be

Just a shame he's got no question marks over him with regards to PED's, Teddy Atlas was spot on

You must have been the only one that missed it, because lots of people commented on Mayweather increased size.

2 years is plenty of time for PEDs to get out of your system.

No accusations his way though are there other than from you, there are many inside boxing circles who think Pacquiao is a PED user, Malignaggi is probably spot on

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:D4thincarnation: Yes Pacquiao has surpassed Armstrong, he is a 8 weight world champ, and not only beats his opponents but dominates them.
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WUM

You need help with this sick obsession D4.

Why, because I think one fighter is better than another. Nothing wrong in having an opinion.

Manny people in the boxing world agreed that when Pacquiao dominated Oscar he was this generations Henry Armstrong.

Now he has surpassed those achievement, he has also surpassed Hank.

I can understand how some people can favour Hank over Pacquiao, so why can't you respect my opinion.

No one has ever come close to surpassing Armstrongs achievements, his in a select group of Ross, Canzoneri and Fitzsimmons of being undisputed triple world champions, once Pacquiao does that he can mentioned amongst those guys.

There is a huge difference between being a multi weight belt holder than a multi weight world champion but you'll no doubt proclaim all of Pacquiaos 8 titles to be fully legitimate when he clearly isn't

If you want people to respect your opinion go elsewhere because he aint ever happening on here and it's all your own doing

I can name 30 fighters I think comfortably beat Pacquiao

Heavyweights no doubt.

Fighters between flyweight and light middleweight, hardly a sign of his greatness when there isn't a single division where he would be considered top ten material

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:It was clear to your blinkered eyes he was bigger but to me he looked no bigger than before and had no reason to be

Just a shame he's got no question marks over him with regards to PED's, Teddy Atlas was spot on

You must have been the only one that missed it, because lots of people commented on Mayweather increased size.

2 years is plenty of time for PEDs to get out of your system.

No accusations his way though are there other than from you, there are many inside boxing circles who think Pacquiao is a PED user, Malignaggi is probably spot on

First time for everything.

Desperate time when you have to use Paulie's opinions in your argument, what next Roger Mayweather

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:It'll be interesting when the truth comes about with regards to the whole PED allegations thing. Shatter a few hearts I imagine.

Why are you pinning your hope that he is on PEDs.

Why are you pinning yours on Mayweather being a ducker?

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:It'll be interesting when the truth comes about with regards to the whole PED allegations thing. Shatter a few hearts I imagine.

Why are you pinning your hope that he is on PEDs.

Why are you pinning yours on Mayweather being a ducker?

It's not a hope, I know.

Desperate like using the opinion of a random poster on boxing scene to try and prove Pacquiaos greatness you mean, Malignaggi is in a far better position to quantify his opinion than you, he is after all a profressional like you

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:It'll be interesting when the truth comes about with regards to the whole PED allegations thing. Shatter a few hearts I imagine.

Why are you pinning your hope that he is on PEDs.

Why are you pinning yours on Mayweather being a ducker?

It's not a hope, I know.

I know Pacquiao to be a PED user, Floyd snr said so therefore believing everything i'm told it must be true

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Desperate like using the opinion of a random poster on boxing scene to try and prove Pacquiaos greatness you mean, Malignaggi is in a far better position to quantify his opinion than you, he is after all a profressional like you

And Nazim Richardson is in a better posistion than Paulie. What does he have to say on the subject?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:It'll be interesting when the truth comes about with regards to the whole PED allegations thing. Shatter a few hearts I imagine.

Why are you pinning your hope that he is on PEDs.

Why are you pinning yours on Mayweather being a ducker?

It's not a hope, I know.

I know Pacquiao to be a PED user, Floyd snr said so therefore believing everything i'm told it must be true

All that crack ain't good for you.

Is Richardson really in a better positon because last time I checked he's never been in the ring himself, if we're talking trainers then the opinion of Teddy Atlas means more than Nazim.

Does the little child not like his own logic being used against him... diddums

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Is Richardson really in a better positon because last time I checked he's never been in the ring himself, if we're talking trainers then the opinion of Teddy Atlas means more than Nazim.

Atlas is a joke.

Think he has something against Freddie.

What is Khan's opinion?

Or Hopkins?

Or Hayes?

Froch?

Think I can list about every boxer, but you get the idea?

Balti - I've lost count of the number of times you've been warned - stop trying to beat the swear filter, stop posting abusive posts.

There are plenty of people who rate Manny very highly indeed. Roy Jones is still seen as an ATG. He actually tested positive! And he came through when the balance between the drugs and the tests were in favour of the drugs.

I love Roy as a fighter - so lets not be so silly as to presume that there is an elephant hanging over Pacquiao's career.

For the record - I think he should take the tests.

Why are we even bothering entertaining this blatant wind-up? D4 has swiftly become known as a stain on the board even amongst those who had no prior experience of him.

Yeah, the mods can say don't bother to feed his ego, but he simply can't go without mentioning the same things, to the point where he'll try to use subterfuge to shoehorn two fighters into a thread when he's been told not to.

Mods: he is not only laughing at everyone who responds to him, but he is laughing at the way he is being allowed to exploit your good nature and the loopholes in the board rules.

I can list numerous people who's view differs from yours on Mayweather but that doesn't mean a thing does it?

Also you think Atlas is a joke just because his opinion differs from yours, all Manny had to do was take the test but unfortunately in this internet age he will always have question marks over his head much in the same way there are questions asked of Armstrong. Despite one never failing far more stringent testing, did enjoy seeing your point about Pacquiao being non american blown out the water by Hamilton this week.

Point is the only people who are seen to receive reprimands are those driven to frustration by a guy who's not willing to discuss things as an adult. How can a debate be held with a person who is blinkered for the sole purpose of pushing his skewed propaganda?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I can list numerous people who's view differs from yours on Mayweather but that doesn't mean a thing does it?

Also you think Atlas is a joke just because his opinion differs from yours, all Manny had to do was take the test but unfortunately in this internet age he will always have question marks over his head much in the same way there are questions asked of Armstrong. Despite one never failing far more stringent testing, did enjoy seeing your point about Pacquiao being non american blown out the water by Hamilton this week.

Pacquiao and Mayweather agreed the tests, Mayweather has comfirmed this in past quotes, but Floyd wanted to take a year or two break.

Pacquiao is fighting, Floyd is not.

oxring wrote:Balti - I've lost count of the number of times you've been warned - stop trying to beat the swear filter, stop posting abusive posts.

There are plenty of people who rate Manny very highly indeed. Roy Jones is still seen as an ATG. He actually tested positive! And he came through when the balance between the drugs and the tests were in favour of the drugs.

I love Roy as a fighter - so lets not be so silly as to presume that there is an elephant hanging over Pacquiao's career.

For the record - I think he should take the tests.

Lets not be presumptious about Jones here, he failed a test with one comission, the only comission who deemed it a banned substance at the time so it wasn't a career destroying moment although it will always be hanging over his head, things like that don't just get forgotten.

Pacquiao is rated highly based almost solely on winning 'eight' titles, his level of opposition is a significant drop down from the real all time greats,

D4thincarnation wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I can list numerous people who's view differs from yours on Mayweather but that doesn't mean a thing does it?

Also you think Atlas is a joke just because his opinion differs from yours, all Manny had to do was take the test but unfortunately in this internet age he will always have question marks over his head much in the same way there are questions asked of Armstrong. Despite one never failing far more stringent testing, did enjoy seeing your point about Pacquiao being non american blown out the water by Hamilton this week.

Pacquiao and Mayweather agreed the tests, Mayweather has comfirmed this in past quotes, but Floyd wanted to take a year or two break.

Pacquiao is fighting, Floyd is not.

He agreed to tests at a cut off point something which wasn't on the table, at no point did he agree to random testing so please stop lying