Euro Division LXVIII

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The Enrique & J from 5ive League

FC WHU Do You Think You Are - Gregers
Bilbao - Afro
Would you dance, if Ajax you to dance? - Sodhat
Southampton FC - Marky
PSV - CF
Sport Club Corinthians Paulista - Nando                                                                              
Lille - Trebs

Glad t'be bach - Hero

FC Basel - Viva

FC ZwagAtletico - Zinedine_Ze_Zebra

The Nodge - Olly

Fool 'em FC - Azzy

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Whens results Soddomiser ???

That is a very unfortunate nickname.

Soon I guess. Literally just finished the worlds most drawn out meeting so I need to do some stuff first and then get some kunch.

sodhat wrote:

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Whens results Soddomiser ???

That is a very unfortunate nickname.

Soon I guess. Literally just finished the worlds most drawn out meeting so I need to do some stuff first and then get some kunch.

Forget stuff, your The Soddomiser, get kunch, results then have an afternoon of Sodomising.... 

TM is such a crud website. Yesterday's price changes saw Xavi fall to £8.8m. I'd pay three times that.

Please can people stop trying to police the rules and pick up on small errors people make. It's a game and use your common sense.

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

sodhat wrote:

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Whens results Soddomiser ???

That is a very unfortunate nickname.

Soon I guess. Literally just finished the worlds most drawn out meeting so I need to do some stuff first and then get some kunch.

Forget stuff, your The Soddomiser, get kunch, results then have an afternoon of Sodomising.... 

I wish I could....

Consensual soddomy though. I don't want to go to jail because then I'll be the one being soddomised. Nonetheless I am making a cup of tea and doing results in a bit. It can take a while so sit tight children.

Doing the results can take a while, that is. Not tea making. I'm not a simpleton.

Thanks for the welcome earlier Sodhat, I was in the 606 Europa League before. Afro invited me here and I accepted. I am hoping to keep building my PSV team.

Kasami is a nice signing for 900k Milky, im a bit annoyed I didnt spot him lol

Thanks, I was guided in the right direction though.

VivaPaulScholes wrote:You'll see Kasamis goal scored again next couple of weeks

You reckon? I want to watch the same games as you if you see those goals every couple of weeks

Afro wrote:

VivaPaulScholes wrote:You'll see Kasamis goal scored again next couple of weeks

You reckon? I want to watch the same games as you if you see those goals every couple of weeks

Exaggeration, maybe not few weeks but similar can happen across the season is what I think Viva meant, well thats how I took it.

Week 10 Results

Ajax P-P Fool Em

Athletic Ballbag 2-0 The Nodge

Basel 1-1 Lille
Neymar; Tevez

Corinthians 2-1 PSV
Pjanic, Muriel; Matavz

Southampton 2-0 Gladbach
Lukaku, Defoe

Zwag 1-1 WHUDYTYA
Remy; Morrison

Southampton 2-0 Glad t’be bach
Lukaku, Defoe - None
Straight forward win for Southampton, Glad t’be bach nothing to play for & it showed.
S'ton Good: Great attacking direction. Bad: Attacking fullback could of been caught out of position if the opposition had tried.
Glad t’be bach Good: Nothing good. Bad: No fight to win the match, pretty much "threw" the match to give S'ton the win they needed.

Southampton v Glad t’be bach - I am going to go with a 1-0 win here for Southampton with Defoe as the scorer. I understand why Glad t'be bach's tactics say to go out there and enjoy themselves. The Southampton tactics are extremely detailed and powerful. I like all of the tactics by both teams but one that stands out in particular is the instruction that was given to Lukaku to hold up the ball and to flick it onto Defoe, this is something that could help Defoe to score a lot of goals.

Soton 2-1 Gladbach - Close game just felt that Southamptons attacking force would get them the winner

Southampton 3-0 Glad t’be bach
Lallana
Rosicky
Defoe
Don't take away from Southamptons brilliant tactics with the poor showing from Bach, Marky knowing he needs the win has set up in a way to get the points. Bach looked like the tactics on display, slow, lack of interest and the fringe players not getting into the game as they should.
Southampton GP: Has to be one of my favourite tactics of the season of any team
Southampton BP: If I'm being picky I'd like to see someone who can create from deeper
Bach GP: A good side which I think would have done better this season
Bach BP: Poor tactics very unusual of Hero

Southampton v Glad t’be bach
2-0
S
+ - Superb tactics, I love the difference between the attacking and defensive tactics.
- - I'd go with Nacho over Kaboul, Traore not good enough really
G
+ - Superb starting line up with only minor improvements here and there now
- - Poor tactics from Hero this week... new fullbacks needed

Southampton 3-1 Gladbach
Gladbach put in a laboured performance while Southampton went for it with desire and got a deserved victory.

Southampton 2-0 Glad t’be bach
Saints
Good
I was worried when I saw the multi formations as sometimes this can be difficult to understand, but it was well explained and easy to follow
Improvement
Next improvement should be the back-up on the left hand side as the injuries weakened this area.
Glad t’be bach
Good
The front 4 is a great combo of pace, strength and guile. I liked them in that set-up
Improvement
Don’t let CF do your tactics again. Apart from the obvious brief tactics, presumably because of little to play for, the defence is the weak point for me and therefore, perhaps you need to work on squad depth.

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FC Basel 1-2 Lille
Neymar - Tevez x 2
Entertaining match, Lille nick the win.
Basel Good: Refreshing to see a different formation, worked quite well with switching play. Bad: General team/squad improvements.
Lille Good: Bender and Sahin work well together, similar but compliment Lille style. Bad: Left flank needs improvement, Tevez requires a better partner.

FC Basel v Lille
1-2
B
+ - A team moving in the right direction now, big decision to sell Neymar after this gameweek but the right one in my opinion. Losing one A* player to upgrade a lot of C players to A players
- - Still improvements needed but I cant wait to see this side in Season 2!
L
+ - A superb side throughout now especially the back four which is probably the strongest in the league
- - I'd improve on the wings now if going 4-4-2, the Spanish Aaron Lennon could do with being put further forward if he's going to play go 4-3-3? (Navas - Carroll - Tevez)


FC Basel v Lille - I am going to go with a 2-0 with for FC Basel. I think even though Lille have got a solid midfield the front 3 of Salah, Streller and Neymar. I like the quick and direct tactic to FC Basel's attack. I will go with Streller and Neymar as the scorers here.

Basel 1-2 Lille - Lille have too much quality for Basel and take the win

Basel 2-1 Lille
Viva really pulls off a surprise with Neymar on the flank whilst Lille play completely into his hands with little instructions on dealing with wingers, also not so keen on Navas coming inside especially if you have a target man like Carroll upfront.

Basel 2-1 Lille
Basel
Good
Good attacking tactics which made good use of the players available. Also good to see them more concise and not trying to cover every conceivable option
Improvement
The obvious one is just to work on the quality of the squad throughout
Lille
Good
well written tactics as ever and with Tevez, there is always the goal threat
Improvement
sorry, but not keen on the Carroll/Tevez combo and don’t think Sahin and Bender is the greatest. Had both your wingers coming inside, which reduced any threat you might have got from Carroll

Basel 2-2 Lille
(Neymar, Strellar) (Tevez, Carroll)
Both teams are attack minded, the rest of Basel's team let them down as Neymar and Strellar cause problems for the makeshift Lille defence. Lille cause problems of their own and the front two is beastly. Mainly visually but physically too. Score draw today.
Basel Good: The surprise element of Neymar at LW, causes problems and creates chances all day long.
Basel Bad: Rest of the team's weaknesses shown up with Neymar not central. Signings needed.
Lille Good: The front two I like a lot and there's a good chance you've snatched the advantage in "best strikeforce"
Lille Bad: I like Sheamus Coleman but he's ruined by Neymar today. Worth bearing in mind. Bartra unproven IMO.


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Corinthians 1-1 PSV
Pjanic - Matavz
Top effort from new manager Milky. The new manager effect hypes PSV up but Corinthians experience see them claim a draw in the last minutes.
Corinthians Good: Vidic as steady as a rock led the defence well. Bad: Shirokov should of been given license to push forward more.
PSV Good: New manager effect gave a boost with some nice tactics. Benat & Paulinho make a nice combo. Bad: Fullbacks, LM & a striker required.

Corinthians v PSV
2-0
C
+ - The squad is almost there now, Pjanic/Muriel is a potent attacking duo. Solid side throughout
- - Now need to push on with strength in depth, manager of the season for keeping going with your project!
P
+ - A good first load of tactics, great to see fresh blood in the league and for PSV to have a manager who is going to stick around! Looking forward to you stamping your own views on this team
- - Odd subsitutions with Benat, Bony and Paulinho being taken off have cost you today

Corinthians 3-2 PSV
Both sides look better going forward than they do defensively and as a result both sides frequently open up the opposition with two very inform players causing huge problems for their opposing markers in Pjanic and Townsend.

Corinthians 1-1 PSV
Bony----------Pjanic
Both teams had to settle for a draw here, not much between the two sides they both had periods where they controlled the game.
Corinthians GP: Strong centre off the side power and technical
Cornthians BP: Make use of the subs they can win/draw games
PSV GP: I think the wide positions of the side is very quick and gets delievery in.
PSV BP: Bring in a new keeper

Corinthians 2-2 PSV
A good game here, both teams have different strengths and weaknesses which end up balancing out. I like the narrow formation Corinthians have employed, but PSV look very strong at CM and this is a good point for them. Bright things are possible with Holymilky.

Corinthians 1-1 PSV
Corinthians
Good
the front three is as good as any in the league on current form
Improvement
you were very narrow, which felt like it was more designed to stop the opposition from playing and therefore nullified your flair players too
PSV
Good
it’s amazing the difference between this week’s side and the last one by CF. A good start with good tactics
Improvement
I prefer Willems to Marcelo at LB (as it’s not the Real Madrid Marcelo). Next improvments would be FBs, LW or another CF

Corinthians 1-1 PSV
(Pjanic) (Bony)
Hard to separate these two, both with good points but both with some flaws. Score draw for me, either team could have nicked it though.
Corinthians Good: Good instructions and Pjanic looking like a terrific signing.
Corinthians Bad: A little too narrow today, midfield packed but no width other than fullbacks on occasion to create more chances.
PSV Good: 4-4-2 isn't dead, some bold selections and good instructions. Strong CB's and CM's.
PSV Bad: Lacking a real partner for Bony IMO, not sure if injured or not but Agbonlahor fits the partnership with Bony for me.

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FC ZwagAtlético v FC WHU Do you think you are - I am going to go with a 1-0 win for FC ZwagAtlético here. I love the idea of the false 9 role for Coutinho and i am going to go with Remy as the scorer in this match. The false 9 set up was really well done by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra. This will also allow Remy and Castro to run in behind which seems to be the plan in the tactics which is where the goal is likely to of come from.

QPha 0-0 WHU - Close game hard to call gone for draw

Zwag 1-0 West Ham
An excellent game and clever tactics from ZZZ give him the win, West Ham missed something going forward.

QPR 1-2 West Ham
Really liking the current spine of a west Ham with some fresh and hungry talent in Verratti and Morrison which I just can't see QPR coping with.

FC ZwagAtlético v FC WHU Do you think you are
Remy-------------Lampard
------------------Verratti
WHU looked much better with Kolarov as the wing back and much more natural for the 3-5-2, this was a match in midfield and the WHU side controlled it. Remy may have been better playing through the middle and Coutinho out wide.
Zwag GP: The front three look quick flexible and can open up teams
Zwag BP: Remy would have been better in that role IMO then Coutinho
WHU GP: Look lot better outwide and get service from the widemen aswell as defending
WHU BP: Like to see a new CB bought in

Zwag 2-1 WHU
(Remy, Gerrard) (Morrison)
Two good attacking teams, Coutinho the False 9 is interesting. WHU lacking a real cutting edge today and it leads to a narrow defeat.
Zwag Good: Playing a front three to get at WHU, works well IMO and means plenty of chances.
Zwag Bad: Kirchoff needs improving on, right type of player just a better one needed to fit in that midfield trio.
WHU Good: Improved wingbacks, Kolarov very underrated and 100% suits the system. Better CB's too.
WHU Bad: Badly missing Mandzukic upfront. Riviere isn't a presence and IRL has only been on form because Falcao occupies the defenders. Mandzukic works similarly IMO but on his own it doesn't work.


Zwag 1-1 WHU
Zwag
Good
nice to see something different tried and I can’t quite decide whether Coutinho is right for the false 9.
Improvement
Coutinho dropping back to sit on Verratti and Remy and Castro staying forward meant it wasn’t really a false 9, but an AM who stayed central and 2 wide CFs
WHU
Good
Iraola and Kolarov are much more suited to your formation, particularly Kolarov. The CBs look better too, although it is a shame that you got Rami just when he started being an wally and now won’t play for months.
Improvement
I think you need to be more flexible in your formation. The opposition know what is coming now and tactics each week are getting better at dealing with it.

Good game mighty.

Those who can't collect their bonus bucks are:

Myself
Olly

And I think that is it dependant on the time tactics came in, which I'll leave to Olly to confirm.

Ballbag v Southampton this week.....title decider!!!

When on earth are me and Tranq going to get it on?

And then when will we play our postponed game?

You'll have to play it this week

And regards to my first question?

These were the injured players for me this week:

Ritzmeier
Van Oijen
Gabriel Agbonlahor
Oscar De Marcos

Do I need to change my votes slightly in future or were they okay?

Also how much money do I add to my budget if any?

Thanks for all of the feedback and thanks to the person who pointed out that I don't have Marcelo from Real Madrid as I thought that I did.

Nice match Greggers.
Hummm, False 9 got some mixed reviews.

Can someone explain somthing to me please, I got 3 win votes, 2 draw & 2 loss (FC WHU win) votes, how does that become a draw? Got more wins votes but dont win.
Before you start im not having a go, just want to understand the results system as when I returned I didnt & still dont know how that works out.

Miky - votes were good, no need to change anything there. You can add £1m to your budget later on once Olly confirms all tactics were in on time.

Zebs - you only get an extra goal for 3 more win votes than your opponent. The results are total goals divided by votes and then extra goals awarded for +3 wins.

And technically you had more votes for you not to win, than you did for you to win, so the majority thought you wouldn't win.....

So who will be buying the Fergie book? I may do. I just never seem to find the time to actually read things.

Soddy wrote:Zebs - you only get an extra goal for 3 more win votes than your opponent. The results are total goals divided by votes and then extra goals awarded for +3 wins.

Ah ok.
Zawg total goals: 7
FC WHU total goals: 6
7 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 1 Then + 1 goal for three win votes = 2
6 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 0.86

Is that correct?
How is that a draw??

Afro wrote:And technically you had more votes for you not to win, than you did for you to win, so the majority thought you wouldn't win.....

 works both ways, FC WGU has 4 not to win. Benefit of the doubt should go to team with more win votes?

Anyway, are by calculations above correct?

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

Soddy wrote:Zebs - you only get an extra goal for 3 more win votes than your opponent. The results are total goals divided by votes and then extra goals awarded for +3 wins.

Ah ok.
Zawg total goals: 7
FC WHU total goals: 6
7 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 1 Then + 1 goal for three win votes = 2
6 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 0.86

Is that correct?
How is that a draw??

Not correct

3 MORE wins. You had 3, he had 2. You only had 1 more win.

sodhat wrote:

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

Soddy wrote:Zebs - you only get an extra goal for 3 more win votes than your opponent. The results are total goals divided by votes and then extra goals awarded for +3 wins.

Ah ok.
Zawg total goals: 7
FC WHU total goals: 6
7 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 1 Then + 1 goal for three win votes = 2
6 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 0.86

Is that correct?
How is that a draw??

Not correct

3 MORE wins. You had 3, he had 2. You only had 1 more win.

Ahh ok.
So basically:
Zawg total goals: 7
FC WHU total goals: 6
7 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 1
6 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 0.86

Then you round up the 0.86 to make it a draw?

I have suggested that next season we change it to 2 more win votes to turn some of the draws into wins

Zawg total goals: 7
FC WHU total goals: 6
7 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 1
6 divided by (No of Votes) 7 = 0.86

Then you round up the 0.86 to make it a draw?

Is this correct? The draw is given due to rounding up the 0.86 goals?

Yes

You should do it the way my leagues have had it, 4-2-3 is a home win, and any draws - like 3-3-3 are decided by goal votes. So if it went 3-3-3, but goal votes were say 12-3, then that would be a home win. I think we had less draws, but we also didn't do it as two more win votes (any chance this would have affected results for this season to any degree?)

It probably would have. But hindsight sure is wonderful.

Afro wrote:Yes

OK, I disagree with the current system.

In this instance the benefit of the doubt is being given to a team who did not accumulate a full goal based on the averages and who did not receive more or equal win votes.
The team who received more win votes & averagely scored higher is being overlooked & not rewarded for having more wins + averagely better stats.

This could be why there is so many draws. Allowing teams who cant score 1 goal on average a goal due to rounding up.
I should of asked about the results system earlier.
Does anyone else agree the results system is not rewarding the better team??

Azzy Mahmood wrote: 4-2-3 is a home win

I'm never that keen on that system as it is really close in the votes and there is only 1 vote in it, win-wise. And what do you do if it is, say 5 votes home win, 6 votes draw and 0 votes for an away win.

The most common result should be the result. If it's 5-6-0, then it's a draw. But if it's 5-5-1, then goal votes come into play, and the home team would almost certainly win.

It's like politics - the candidate with the most votes is made MP. If there was an equal number of votes, they'd take a look at 2nd place votes (ie, goal votes) to decide who wins.

I think I would do it that rather than rounding to the nearest, it is rounded down (i.e. you have to average over a goal, to get a goal)

Also looking at the impact of using +2 votes instead of +3 votes, we have had 17 draws, and 8 of them would have been wins with the change.

What do other managers think?
 
There seem to be 4 options...
 

• Keep it the same, average number of goals rounded to the nearest, +1 goal for 3 more win votes than the opponent (if required to turn draw into win)
  
  
• Do it on majority of votes. So if there are 5 home wins, 4 draws and 3 away wins, it is a home win, regardless of goals in each vote. a split decision is determined by goals
  
  
• Same as current system, but with +2 win votes splitting a draw
  
  
• Similar to current, but with it rounded down (rather than to nearest). Could be +2 or +3 goals to split a draw
  
  

Afro wrote:you have to average over a goal, to get a goal

that I agree with as it give the team who on average accumulate a goal a goal.
Rounding up isnt fair at all, your giving a team a goal when average accumulation doesn't equate to one.

I vote: Similar to current, but with it rounded down (rather than to nearest). You must average a 1.00 to be given a goal, even 0.99 is not a goal. Split a draw +2 or +3, dont mind but I woudl say +2 as if its a draw the likleyhood is its been a score draw with goals for both teams so the win votes need to be narrowed down. That make sense??

My vote is the same as ZZZ's

Afro wrote:My vote is the same as ZZZ's

Should we get a voting page up for those who arent online?

How do you make Poll pages? Ive never done one but can do if you let me know how.

Set-up a page, but I want people to put their votes in a post. Non-managers can anonymously vote in a poll, so I want to be able to exclude anything from people not in the league

Does that mean I don't get a vote? I'm quite sensible on these matters.

No disrepect Azzy, coz your vote would be sensible. However, it should only be down to those playing in the league to have a say how it will work.

Righto. In that case, you're not allowed to vote for VHM's 100 sexiest women, because you only fancy sheep.

Azzy Mahmood wrote:Righto. In that case, you're not allowed to vote for VHM's 100 sexiest women, because you only fancy sheep.

Why would Vector Helium Magnetometer magazine do a sexiest women issue?

They will alienate all of their readership.

Can we just add the options to the top of this homepage & say PM Vote to however by this such & such date.
OR
as we only have one game week we can just sort it out in the off season when there is more time to do it & re-write the rules page on it.

True, or I could have mis-typed when I meant to put FHM

I imagine nerdy scientists would love to ogle semi-naked celebs in the latest edition.

All tacticos in on time