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New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
First topic message reminder :
I have heard it is:
6 French
6 English
7 Pro12 (1 guaranteed from each country, 3 on league position)
1 play-off (7th English and 7th French team)
Trying to find out is correct as we speak
I have heard it is:
6 French
6 English
7 Pro12 (1 guaranteed from each country, 3 on league position)
1 play-off (7th English and 7th French team)
Trying to find out is correct as we speak
geoff999rugby- Posts : 5913
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
Ok your problem could be that you are basing everything on your OWN experience- you see you are similar to me in the fact that i have premium Virgin, so i didn't have to subscribe.Munchkin wrote:Now, mysteroakey, do try to remain calm.mystiroakey wrote:Munchkin if you can't interpret this data then thats not really my problem is it pal!
I will try to explain in simple terms the problem I have with your fact.
You claim that BT Sport subscribers are adding by 'so many each day'. OK? My question is what evidence do you have in support of this? You then provide a link to a graph showing the BT UK market share of broadband subscribers, and not specifically BT Sport subscribers. So BT is increasing its market share of UK broadband, but you have not provided any evidence to suggest that along with this increase they are also increasing their number of BT sports subscribers, even if BT sport is free. Now, I have BT channels on my smart tv , and get a free channel, but I do not subscribe. The point being that although BT is there for me I don't subscribe to it, and instead watch most of my sport on BBC, and SKY.
What I would like to know is what is this increase of 'so many BT sport viewers, people actually watching BT Sport, every day' that you assert?
Many BT BB subscribers dont have the smart tv plugged into there BT BB..Which i take it in your case is the reason for it just coming on!
You see for instance I was at mums the other weekend. She has BT broadband, and she has free sky. Within seconds i had subscribed her freely to watch BT sport without her knowing about it. All we needed was her viewing card number and bt account number and away we went- Thats an extra subscription but nothing extra paid.
mystiroakey- Posts : 32472
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Scrumpy wrote:
Please try and think outside your own little goldfish bowls.
Please try and think outside your office. And I don't just mean your commute to work.
Jenifer McLadyboy- Posts : 4764
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Are you a suicide bomber?mystiroakey wrote:i have premium Virgin
Jenifer McLadyboy- Posts : 4764
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More PRL drones (em, followers) ?????????????Scrumpy wrote:But surely the more people who become interested in Rugby Union is good for the game as a whole in the NH.
Please try and think outside your own little goldfish bowls.
BT deserve a
NO!
Mucho Bad for Rugby Union in the NH, methinks
SecretFly- Posts : 31800
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Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:Are you a suicide bomber?mystiroakey wrote:i have premium Virgin
mystiroakey- Posts : 32472
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I used my office and staff as an example, I took it for granted that the average 606er would understand that!
How wrong was I
I guess not everyone has fully developed in the brain cell department yet! (it is half term after all)
How wrong was I
I guess not everyone has fully developed in the brain cell department yet! (it is half term after all)
Scrumpy- Posts : 4217
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We used to have a President who used to just have to "Look into his heart to know what the Irish people were thinking"Scrumpy wrote:I used my office and staff as an example, I took it for granted that the average 606er would understand that!
How wrong was I
I guess not everyone has fully developed in the brain cell department yet! (it is half term after all)
You are not quite as good at it as you have to actually "ask people in your office"
Jenifer McLadyboy- Posts : 4764
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606v2 does seem to go down hill during half term!
Roll on next week.
Roll on next week.
Scrumpy- Posts : 4217
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There's nothing sadder than a stupid person who isn't smart enough to know they're being stupid.
Just an observation that I'm making at random with no real relation to anyone in here.
Just an observation that I'm making at random with no real relation to anyone in here.
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Maybe, but it's gonna be hard not to be a niche broadcaster if they can't get more football rights. Of course, doubling their expenditure on football is a massive risk. This is the same quandary every one who has gone toe to toe with Sky faces. Not for nothing have they seen off many rivals.mystiroakey wrote:The disappointing viewing figures for PL through BT is due to the fact that most hardcore PL fans have sky already and they have more games than bt(5-1), and SKY dont offer bt sports for free. And now that sky are offering cheap bb with it means many subscribe to sky BB anyway..
So what does BT do.
1. outbid sky for the bulk of PL. INsanely expensive .
2. Or get as many other sports as possible.
I can't see how The Rugby championship will help viewing figures on its own, it already has the AP!!. It needs to try and get many lesser watched sports like cricket, golf, athletics, cycling, tennis etc
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The live audiences for Aviva Premiership Rugby Round 6 were:
• Bath Rugby v Gloucester Rugby - 167,000
• Northampton Saints v Saracens - 224,000
• London Wasps v Leicester Tigers - 276,000
Great stuff, may it continue.
http://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/29479.php
• Bath Rugby v Gloucester Rugby - 167,000
• Northampton Saints v Saracens - 224,000
• London Wasps v Leicester Tigers - 276,000
Great stuff, may it continue.
http://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/29479.php
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BT are not going to care about a few months worth of data. they have to cash resources and long term commitment to stick out the length of their contract (5 yrs? more?) and attempt to improve the format as they go along.
unless anyone thinks last weeks or next weeks match viewing figures are going to make them pull out of AP or RCC or stop sponsoring Scots teams, why is this discussion even happening?
unless anyone thinks last weeks or next weeks match viewing figures are going to make them pull out of AP or RCC or stop sponsoring Scots teams, why is this discussion even happening?
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I just retested the link, SF.SecretFly wrote:that page appears dead to me Portnoy..?
Try http://www.rfu.com/news from the news tab on the home site.
"28 October 2013
RWC 2003 reaction – Johnson demands improvement after Samoa scare"
Ten years old
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Well the PRL have obviously committed full steam ahead to BT, but there are obvious reservations in other camps. We could go one of two ways in terms of preferred broadcaster for any future European tournament. BT might outbid Sky in the short term but obviously the long-term viability of BT Sport and their long-term strategy is pretty relevant to their position in the market place.quinsforever wrote:BT are not going to care about a few months worth of data. they have to cash resources and long term commitment to stick out the length of their contract (5 yrs? more?) and attempt to improve the format as they go along.
unless anyone thinks last weeks or next weeks match viewing figures are going to make them pull out of AP or RCC or stop sponsoring Scots teams, why is this discussion even happening?
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Why do people love to knock BT sport, they're doing a good job and helping the game to grow as far as I can see.
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!! Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear........................ oh dear, oh dear, oh dear............Portnoy's Complaint wrote:I just retested the link, SF.SecretFly wrote:that page appears dead to me Portnoy..?
Try http://www.rfu.com/news from the news tab on the home site.
"28 October 2013
RWC 2003 reaction – Johnson demands improvement after Samoa scare"
Ten years old
That'll be embarrassing when someone points it out to them. But Johnson is right... and glad to see him back.
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Also the PRL approach of trying to lead us by the nose into the new era of BT without due process has understandably raised heckles right across Europe.
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not really. when making a risk assessment of a contract you only need worry about their ability to meet the terms of the contract financially. and BT will certainly be able to do that.Notch wrote:Well the PRL have obviously committed full steam ahead to BT, but there are obvious reservations in other camps. We could go one of two ways in terms of preferred broadcaster for any future European tournament. BT might outbid Sky in the short term but obviously the long-term viability of BT Sport and their long-term strategy is pretty relevant to their position in the market place.quinsforever wrote:BT are not going to care about a few months worth of data. they have to cash resources and long term commitment to stick out the length of their contract (5 yrs? more?) and attempt to improve the format as they go along.
unless anyone thinks last weeks or next weeks match viewing figures are going to make them pull out of AP or RCC or stop sponsoring Scots teams, why is this discussion even happening?
what valid reasons are you thinking of for BT being turned down by those with "reservations in other camps"?
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Nothing agin' 'em,Scrumpy .... as long as they water their own flowers and try not to pish on other people's.Scrumpy wrote:Why do people love to knock BT sport, they're doing a good job and helping the game to grow as far as I can see.
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-BT in very early days, may change strategyquinsforever wrote:not really. when making a risk assessment of a contract you only need worry about their ability to meet the terms of the contract financially. and BT will certainly be able to do that.Notch wrote:Well the PRL have obviously committed full steam ahead to BT, but there are obvious reservations in other camps. We could go one of two ways in terms of preferred broadcaster for any future European tournament. BT might outbid Sky in the short term but obviously the long-term viability of BT Sport and their long-term strategy is pretty relevant to their position in the market place.quinsforever wrote:BT are not going to care about a few months worth of data. they have to cash resources and long term commitment to stick out the length of their contract (5 yrs? more?) and attempt to improve the format as they go along.
unless anyone thinks last weeks or next weeks match viewing figures are going to make them pull out of AP or RCC or stop sponsoring Scots teams, why is this discussion even happening?
what valid reasons are you thinking of for BT being turned down by those with "reservations in other camps"?
-BTs long term Viability not clear
-BT approaching PRL, cutting out Unions and therefore causing instability in European Rugby
-Desire to co-ordinate international rights and club rights with one broadcast partner- how will letting European rugby go to BT affect future sales of International rights to Sky, can BT compete for these?
-Sky Sports having much greater subscription numbers and reach
-Sky Sports having done an excellent job growing and promoting ERC tournaments. Known quantity.
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When have they tried to do that?SecretFly wrote:Nothing agin' 'em,Scrumpy .... as long as they water their own flowers and try not to pish on other people's.Scrumpy wrote:Why do people love to knock BT sport, they're doing a good job and helping the game to grow as far as I can see.
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I THINK THE TOURNAMENT PROMOTES ITSELF. CROSS BORDER COMPETITION. NATIONAL RIVALRIES. KNOCKOUT FORMAT. CONTENT IS KING.Notch wrote:-BT in very early days, may change strategy WHO CARES AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACTquinsforever wrote:not really. when making a risk assessment of a contract you only need worry about their ability to meet the terms of the contract financially. and BT will certainly be able to do that.Notch wrote:Well the PRL have obviously committed full steam ahead to BT, but there are obvious reservations in other camps. We could go one of two ways in terms of preferred broadcaster for any future European tournament. BT might outbid Sky in the short term but obviously the long-term viability of BT Sport and their long-term strategy is pretty relevant to their position in the market place.quinsforever wrote:BT are not going to care about a few months worth of data. they have to cash resources and long term commitment to stick out the length of their contract (5 yrs? more?) and attempt to improve the format as they go along.
unless anyone thinks last weeks or next weeks match viewing figures are going to make them pull out of AP or RCC or stop sponsoring Scots teams, why is this discussion even happening?
what valid reasons are you thinking of for BT being turned down by those with "reservations in other camps"?
-BTs long term Viability not clear WHO CARES AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT
-BT approaching PRL, cutting out Unions and therefore causing instability in European Rugby WHO CARES AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT - SENSIBILITIES NEED TO BE PUT TO ONE SIDE HERE
-Desire to co-ordinate international rights and club rights with one broadcast partner- how will letting European rugby go to BT affect future sales of International rights to Sky, can BT compete for these? ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE CREDIBLE COMPETITORS BIDDING AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR TV RIGHTS
-Sky Sports having much greater subscription numbers and reach OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE THE ENTRENCHED PLAYER. BT ARE GOING TO SPEND LOTS OF MONEY AND TIME TRYING TO BUILD A COMPETITIVE FRANCHISE. CONTENT IS KING - HENCE WHY RUGBY SHOULD EXTRACT GOOD MONEY.
-Sky Sports having done an excellent job growing and promoting ERC tournaments. Known quantity.
apols for caps - easier than bolding or italicising.
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By offering money stamped to PRL designed terms and conditions.Scrumpy wrote:When have they tried to do that?SecretFly wrote:Nothing agin' 'em,Scrumpy .... as long as they water their own flowers and try not to pish on other people's.Scrumpy wrote:Why do people love to knock BT sport, they're doing a good job and helping the game to grow as far as I can see.
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Does Sky have greater subscription numbers?Notch wrote:-BT in very early days, may change strategyquinsforever wrote:not really. when making a risk assessment of a contract you only need worry about their ability to meet the terms of the contract financially. and BT will certainly be able to do that.Notch wrote:Well the PRL have obviously committed full steam ahead to BT, but there are obvious reservations in other camps. We could go one of two ways in terms of preferred broadcaster for any future European tournament. BT might outbid Sky in the short term but obviously the long-term viability of BT Sport and their long-term strategy is pretty relevant to their position in the market place.quinsforever wrote:BT are not going to care about a few months worth of data. they have to cash resources and long term commitment to stick out the length of their contract (5 yrs? more?) and attempt to improve the format as they go along.
unless anyone thinks last weeks or next weeks match viewing figures are going to make them pull out of AP or RCC or stop sponsoring Scots teams, why is this discussion even happening?
what valid reasons are you thinking of for BT being turned down by those with "reservations in other camps"?
-BTs long term Viability not clear
-BT approaching PRL, cutting out Unions and therefore causing instability in European Rugby
-Desire to co-ordinate international rights and club rights with one broadcast partner- how will letting European rugby go to BT affect future sales of International rights to Sky, can BT compete for these?
-Sky Sports having much greater subscription numbers and reach
-Sky Sports having done an excellent job growing and promoting ERC tournaments. Known quantity.
Have Sky done a 'excellent job' when BT have only had the Eng Prem for a few months and the figures are already at a higher level?
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We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
WARNING!
SecretFly- Posts : 31800
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It does make me laugh that people are painting Sky as being a benevolent broadcaster in order to compare favourably with the rising evil of BT
I think the BT Sport coverage is pretty good* and, between their coverage and Sky, I'm delighted to be able to watch several games over a weekend.
However, I'm a mindless automaton who naively believes all the hype and secretly want to gloat over the embers of European rugby.
*I'm not really interested in the studio 'fun and games with Healy et al' and could do without that grinning berk, Craig Doyle.
I think the BT Sport coverage is pretty good* and, between their coverage and Sky, I'm delighted to be able to watch several games over a weekend.
However, I'm a mindless automaton who naively believes all the hype and secretly want to gloat over the embers of European rugby.
*I'm not really interested in the studio 'fun and games with Healy et al' and could do without that grinning berk, Craig Doyle.
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Yeah, see, the IRFU really doesn't care about the English Premiership. Or even the Amlin. Both tournaments that, in my opinion, Sky has not done a good job and therefore I understand the PRLs frustration with them.
The IRFU cares above all else about the international game, with the top-tier European rugby and Pro12 also of concern. Different set of priorities = different criteria for broadcast partners. Sensibilities need to be set aside, but no-one is going to be jumping on the BT gravy train until we actually see some contracts!
The IRFU cares above all else about the international game, with the top-tier European rugby and Pro12 also of concern. Different set of priorities = different criteria for broadcast partners. Sensibilities need to be set aside, but no-one is going to be jumping on the BT gravy train until we actually see some contracts!
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SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
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Mate, I have to disagree somewhat. I think the tournament promotes itself amongst core Rugby fans. But amongst fringe fans and people we are trying to bring to Rugby to grow the sport, we need a strong cross-border marketing plan. BT does present the unique business opportunity to hitch our wagon to a company trying to build a business. So they spend significant funds to grow their business and, if they are successful, we grow too. It does represent a risk, no doubt, but possibly a good one to try?quinsforever wrote:I THINK THE TOURNAMENT PROMOTES ITSELF. CROSS BORDER COMPETITION. NATIONAL RIVALRIES. KNOCKOUT FORMAT. CONTENT IS KING.Notch wrote:-BT in very early days, may change strategy WHO CARES AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACTquinsforever wrote:not really. when making a risk assessment of a contract you only need worry about their ability to meet the terms of the contract financially. and BT will certainly be able to do that.Notch wrote:Well the PRL have obviously committed full steam ahead to BT, but there are obvious reservations in other camps. We could go one of two ways in terms of preferred broadcaster for any future European tournament. BT might outbid Sky in the short term but obviously the long-term viability of BT Sport and their long-term strategy is pretty relevant to their position in the market place.quinsforever wrote:BT are not going to care about a few months worth of data. they have to cash resources and long term commitment to stick out the length of their contract (5 yrs? more?) and attempt to improve the format as they go along.
unless anyone thinks last weeks or next weeks match viewing figures are going to make them pull out of AP or RCC or stop sponsoring Scots teams, why is this discussion even happening?
what valid reasons are you thinking of for BT being turned down by those with "reservations in other camps"?
-BTs long term Viability not clear WHO CARES AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT
-BT approaching PRL, cutting out Unions and therefore causing instability in European Rugby WHO CARES AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT - SENSIBILITIES NEED TO BE PUT TO ONE SIDE HERE
-Desire to co-ordinate international rights and club rights with one broadcast partner- how will letting European rugby go to BT affect future sales of International rights to Sky, can BT compete for these? ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE CREDIBLE COMPETITORS BIDDING AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR TV RIGHTS
-Sky Sports having much greater subscription numbers and reach OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE THE ENTRENCHED PLAYER. BT ARE GOING TO SPEND LOTS OF MONEY AND TIME TRYING TO BUILD A COMPETITIVE FRANCHISE. CONTENT IS KING - HENCE WHY RUGBY SHOULD EXTRACT GOOD MONEY.
-Sky Sports having done an excellent job growing and promoting ERC tournaments. Known quantity.
apols for caps - easier than bolding or italicising.
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Okay, the BT Sky Champions Cup then. Make up yor mind guys, McCafferty is getting impatient with all this tittle tattle Title negotiations stalling effort
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Oh Sky are a shower of Basterauds I would be very glad to be shot of them in general. No-one is framing this in terms of 'good guys' or 'bad guys'. Thats just silly. They are businesses. There are no good guys in business really. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate and trying to represent the other side of the debate.Cyril wrote:It does make me laugh that people are painting Sky as being a benevolent broadcaster in order to compare favourably with the rising evil of BT
I get why BT are the perfect fit for the PRL right now- people have just got to grasp that the PRL are just one part of this.
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.......................... Don't tempt me, Scrumpy. Do Not Tempt Me....................Scrumpy wrote:SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
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Sky have shown much more interest in the Irish market with their rugby coverage than BT who are targeting England.Scrumpy wrote:SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
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BT Sport have only been running for a few months, give them a chance!Notch wrote:Sky have shown much more interest in the Irish market with their rugby coverage than BT who are targeting England.Scrumpy wrote:SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
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which off course is completely insane as SKY SPORTS is operated by BSBNotch wrote:Sky have shown much more interest in the Irish market with their rugby coverage than BT who are targeting England.Scrumpy wrote:SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
guess what the B stands for in the later!!
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Well, if they want to come over for a chat in the next few years, just tell them to leave PRL at home.Scrumpy wrote:BT Sport have only been running for a few months, give them a chance!Notch wrote:Sky have shown much more interest in the Irish market with their rugby coverage than BT who are targeting England.Scrumpy wrote:SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
SecretFly- Posts : 31800
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Seems a lot of these companies have Basteraud in the title!!?? Hmmm,the plot thickens.
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BT are sponsoring PRO12 sides aren't they? So maybe they're looking further afield.Scrumpy wrote:BT Sport have only been running for a few months, give them a chance!Notch wrote:Sky have shown much more interest in the Irish market with their rugby coverage than BT who are targeting England.Scrumpy wrote:SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
doc grey - "Mate, I have to disagree somewhat. I think the tournament promotes itself amongst core Rugby fans. But amongst fringe fans and people we are trying to bring to Rugby to grow the sport, we need a strong cross-border marketing plan. BT does present the unique business opportunity to hitch our wagon to a company trying to build a business. So they spend significant funds to grow their business and, if they are successful, we grow too. It does represent a risk, no doubt, but possibly a good one to try?"
i agree with what you say. but i think it is the responsibility of ERC or RCC to grow the club game, not the broadcaster. BT or SKY just bid for whatever the ERC or RCC decides to parcel up in whatever format they do it. BT/SKY are not bringing a blueprint for how to grow the game, the engine for that has to be ERC or RCC.
and its pretty clear to me that ERC was more concerned with the status quo. but then of course i would say that.
i agree with what you say. but i think it is the responsibility of ERC or RCC to grow the club game, not the broadcaster. BT or SKY just bid for whatever the ERC or RCC decides to parcel up in whatever format they do it. BT/SKY are not bringing a blueprint for how to grow the game, the engine for that has to be ERC or RCC.
and its pretty clear to me that ERC was more concerned with the status quo. but then of course i would say that.
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
I know, but I couldn't resist!mystiroakey wrote:which off course is completely insane as SKY SPORTS is operated by BSBNotch wrote:Sky have shown much more interest in the Irish market with their rugby coverage than BT who are targeting England.Scrumpy wrote:SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
guess what the B stands for in the later!!
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
We finally agree on a paragraph of words, quins.quinsforever wrote:
i agree with what you say. but i think it is the responsibility of ERC or RCC to grow the club game, not the broadcaster. BT or SKY just bid for whatever the ERC or RCC decides to parcel up in whatever format they do it. BT/SKY are not bringing a blueprint for how to grow the game, the engine for that has to be ERC or RCC.
And of course that means PRL should never have been joined at the hip to BT's European money offer. That should have been a bidding war between Sky and BT invited by an old or new body that was already up and running and operating in the combined interests of all.
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
there is probably some truth in it though dude. Its just insane how certain people may feel about the term british- its just a word..Scrumpy wrote:I know, but I couldn't resist!mystiroakey wrote:which off course is completely insane as SKY SPORTS is operated by BSBNotch wrote:Sky have shown much more interest in the Irish market with their rugby coverage than BT who are targeting England.Scrumpy wrote:SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
guess what the B stands for in the later!!
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
Has to be said, Notch, that they would do that wouldn't they?Notch wrote:Sky have shown much more interest in the Irish market with their rugby coverage than BT who are targeting England.Scrumpy wrote:SecretFly wrote:We're getting into the Profit and Viewing Figures Champions Cup again folks!!!!!
WARNING!
I guess its human instinct to fear the unknown and change.
I think the main reason people fear BT is because of what the 'B' stands for!
I really enjoy the Barnes-free zone that is BTS.
But I'm really concerned about a second RU schism.
You have to wonder how bad things must have been in the ERC prior to the bombshell for this almighty co ck-up to have made it impossible to make discussion nigh impossible before the 6/12 PRL/LNE announcement.
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
There is no surprise really that a group of people in one room, running one organisation, could hate each other's guts.
That's as old as time and as crowded as history and a well plotted grim human reality. America/England/France and Russia...allies? For as long as it took...yes.
I guess I'm trying to say that ERC was what it was because it was made up of the distinct, self-interested units it was made up of.
The new organisation, if we get that far, will be the same. A cautious company of suspicion and divergent self-interest trying to work closely enough to make something work. But no love. Love is fantasy, and will continue to be in any new 'family arrangement'
That's as old as time and as crowded as history and a well plotted grim human reality. America/England/France and Russia...allies? For as long as it took...yes.
I guess I'm trying to say that ERC was what it was because it was made up of the distinct, self-interested units it was made up of.
The new organisation, if we get that far, will be the same. A cautious company of suspicion and divergent self-interest trying to work closely enough to make something work. But no love. Love is fantasy, and will continue to be in any new 'family arrangement'
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
Scrumpy wrote:The live audiences for Aviva Premiership Rugby Round 6 were:
• Bath Rugby v Gloucester Rugby - 167,000
• Northampton Saints v Saracens - 224,000
• London Wasps v Leicester Tigers - 276,000
Great stuff, may it continue.
http://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/29479.php
Wasn't BT sports free all last weekend?
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
I read an good take on last weeks unions announcement. Gerry Thornley reckons the unions were calling the Franglos bluff. Up to now it has been made out that the unions are the ones not budging but now the ball is in the franglos court.
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
Much more healthy than the 20,000. But did they only televise three games?profitius wrote:Wasn't BT sports free all last weekend?Scrumpy wrote:The live audiences for Aviva Premiership Rugby Round 6 were:
• Bath Rugby v Gloucester Rugby - 167,000
• Northampton Saints v Saracens - 224,000
• London Wasps v Leicester Tigers - 276,000
Great stuff, may it continue.
http://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/29479.php
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
That is indeed true.profitius wrote:Wasn't BT sports free all last weekend?Scrumpy wrote:The live audiences for Aviva Premiership Rugby Round 6 were:
• Bath Rugby v Gloucester Rugby - 167,000
• Northampton Saints v Saracens - 224,000
• London Wasps v Leicester Tigers - 276,000
Great stuff, may it continue.
http://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/29479.php
Its free all the time if you sign up to BT broadband!
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
And actually 50% off the free offer if you promote them in social media...so certainly not to be sniffed at.Scrumpy wrote:
Its free all the time if you sign up to BT broadband!
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Re: New European Rugby cup (or whatever it is called) - Qualification agreed
fly all you are doing is promoting SKY.. Which in essence is crazy. We need the two fighting over rugby's rights to secure a better future- yes this time its been a mess, but this is only the now.. the future is infinite!
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