Ok, what now for BHop?

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Who does he fight now? Who can he beat and who would spark Hopkins now, if anybody?
 
There doesn't seemt o be any talk of retirement right now. Less than before, which is madness.
 
If he fights Stevenson or Kovalev he may get sparked. Clev might want a go after seeing Morat do relatively well, but he has zero leverage now he is without a belt.
 
Mayweather talk is madness, IMO, but people seem to want it.

No I just think you are retarded

anyway Hopkins Stevenson should be up next, so we can look forward to finding out who is the better of them. hopefully kovalev will have a meaningful fight in the meantime and he can secure a fight against the winner.

catchweight wrote:No I just think you are retarded

Whilst, hilariously, coming across as even stupider than you think I am.  

Congratulations  

No I dont even mean it as insult, as in when you would call someone stupid but not actually mean it. I genuinely just think you are stupid going off you arguments and ability to miss the point and misinterpret.

gordy oops i mean catchweight getting owned by dave!

I think the loss to Ward muddies the water somewhat when it comes to the number one at light heavyweight. Yes it was at a different but it was at a weight below so whether Dawson still deserved his number one ranking is an area of contention.

Lance wrote:gordy oops i mean catchweight getting owned by dave!

Be so kind as to afford me the courtesy of spelling my name with at least one capital letter dear chap...not even bothered if it's the first letter, one will do.

The Stevenson love-in is on a par with the same hysteria surrounding Wilder. The guy beats up 30 nobodies and we're all supposed to sit up and pay attention? If I beat 30 kittens to death with a hammer it doesn't mean I'm ready to go out on Safari and as I mentioned elsewhere, there's footage of David Haye making a mockery of the "Deontay Wilder - Wrecking Machine" tag.

So yes Deontay talk all the smack you want about Fury, he's no better that the rest of the guys you've beaten thus far. Same with Stevenson, if he can outwit and outfox, out-hit and outbox Hopkins (poetry, I love it), then maybe he might have something but until then, please don't try and convince me that beating Chad Dawson makes you something special.

DAVE667 wrote:

Lance wrote:gordy oops i mean catchweight getting owned by dave!

Be so kind as to afford me the courtesy of spelling my name with at least one capital letter dear chap...not even bothered if it's the first letter, one will do.

The Stevenson love-in is on a par with the same hysteria surrounding Wilder. The guy beats up 30 nobodies and we're all supposed to sit up and pay attention? If I beat 30 kittens to death with a hammer it doesn't mean I'm ready to go out on Safari and as I mentioned elsewhere, there's footage of David Haye making a mockery of the "Deontay Wilder - Wrecking Machine" tag.

So yes Deontay talk all the smack you want about Fury, he's no better that the rest of the guys you've beaten thus far. Same with Stevenson, if he can outwit and outfox, out-hit and outbox Hopkins (poetry, I love it), then maybe he might have something but until then, please don't try and convince me that beating Chad Dawson makes you something special.

gordy oops I mean catchweight getting owned by DAVE!!!!!

 

 

Nobody has tried to convince you Stevenson is something special except in your own moronic head. People have said that he may beat the likes of Bellew and Hopkins. FFS has anyone on here actual seen people referencing Stevenson as some kind of all time great? He came from pretty much nowhere to beat the number one light heavyweight in a division that isnt great. He has a high knockout rate and is decent to watch. This clown thinks because suddenly people mention him now as a top light heavyweights that there is some kind of hype train going. Hopkins is ancient now and the only thing special about him now is his age. Take that away and hes just a decent light heavyweight as Dawson showed. Backing Stevenson to beat him now is hardly some declaration of greatness and when Stevenson knocks out two guys back to back that beat Hopkins and took him the distance then its fair grounds for ranking him ahead in the present time.

DAVE667 wrote:

Lance wrote:gordy oops i mean catchweight getting owned by dave!

Be so kind as to afford me the courtesy of spelling my name with at least one capital letter dear chap...not even bothered if it's the first letter, one will do.

The Stevenson love-in is on a par with the same hysteria surrounding Wilder. The guy beats up 30 nobodies and we're all supposed to sit up and pay attention? If I beat 30 kittens to death with a hammer it doesn't mean I'm ready to go out on Safari and as I mentioned elsewhere, there's footage of David Haye making a mockery of the "Deontay Wilder - Wrecking Machine" tag.

So yes Deontay talk all the smack you want about Fury, he's no better that the rest of the guys you've beaten thus far. Same with Stevenson, if he can outwit and outfox, out-hit and outbox Hopkins (poetry, I love it), then maybe he might have something but until then, please don't try and convince me that beating Chad Dawson makes you something special.

There really is no Wilder love in, most people seem to think he's got power but is totally untested and so might potentially be decent and the other camp seem to think he's a chinny bum waiting to get knocked out by the first jab he's hit with. The only people who actually rank him currently inside the top 5 heavyweights in the world are Gordy, the WBO and the WBC, each as crazy as the last.

catchweight wrote:Nobody has tried to convince you Stevenson is something special except in your own moronic head. People have said that he may beat the likes of Bellew and Hopkins. FFS has anyone on here actual seen people referencing Stevenson as some kind of all time great? He came from pretty much nowhere to beat the number one light heavyweight in a division that isnt great. He has a high knockout rate and is decent to watch. This clown thinks because suddenly people mention him now as a top light heavyweights that there is some kind of hype train going. Hopkins is ancient now and the only thing special about him now is his age. Take that away and hes just a decent light heavyweight as Dawson showed. Backing Stevenson to beat him now is hardly some declaration of greatness and when Stevenson knocks out two guys back to back that beat Hopkins and took him the distance then its fair grounds for ranking him ahead in the present time.

clown
moron
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just three insults you have given in the last hour...

you have posted negative comments about Hopkins fight on Saturday all day long on different topics, without even watching the fight

maybe you have some problems, but hatred wont get you anywhere

Lance wrote:

catchweight wrote:Nobody has tried to convince you Stevenson is something special except in your own moronic head. People have said that he may beat the likes of Bellew and Hopkins. FFS has anyone on here actual seen people referencing Stevenson as some kind of all time great? He came from pretty much nowhere to beat the number one light heavyweight in a division that isnt great. He has a high knockout rate and is decent to watch. This clown thinks because suddenly people mention him now as a top light heavyweights that there is some kind of hype train going. Hopkins is ancient now and the only thing special about him now is his age. Take that away and hes just a decent light heavyweight as Dawson showed. Backing Stevenson to beat him now is hardly some declaration of greatness and when Stevenson knocks out two guys back to back that beat Hopkins and took him the distance then its fair grounds for ranking him ahead in the present time.

clown
moron
special

just three insults you have given in the last hour...

you have posted negative comments about Hopkins fight on Saturday all day long on different topics, without even watching the fight

maybe you have some problems, but hatred wont get you anywhere

I posted negative comments about reports I read of Smogers refereeing performance. You clown. special. moron. Hopkins bumhole chum.

Any chance you could word your replies a wee bit more carefully please, catchweight ? Could do without having to trawl through the thread deleting comments.

Sorry boys but there's been enough posts over the years where a fighter, on the back of a couple of flashy wins, mysteriously starts getting mentioned more and more frequently.
 
It wasn't so long since people started dropping Seth Mitchell's name into converstations about future HW champs (along with Wilder) and all of a suddenly, Seth's about as popular as Jimmy Savile.
 
They did it with Robert Guerrero and then all shut up after Floyd nullified him. They did it with Gamboa, they did it with Dirrell when he fought Froch, they even did it with Katsidis and it will always be a part of forum activity but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
 
As far as I'm concerned Stevenson is currently just one of another bunch of fighters that someone has taken a shine to this week. Say what you like about Froch but he's been doing what he does at a high level for quite some time now and yet it seems Stevenson has, in the eyes of some, almost surpassed him.

It's a ker-razy world you dudes live in but God loves each and every one of you...yes, even YOU!

The hype around Stevenson is well warranted, I was among the first to jump on the bandwagon, and I find Wilder comparisons insulating, really... If Wilder KO'd Wlad in 76 seconds, then won every round against a top 5 (division) fighter, he would be quite rightly praised. Its called giving credit where it's due.

88Chris05 wrote:Any chance you could word your replies a wee bit more carefully please, catchweight ? Could do without having to trawl through the thread deleting comments.

Why? If people can give it out with their sarcastic comments on here they should expect a little back.

catchweight wrote:

Lance wrote:

catchweight wrote:Nobody has tried to convince you Stevenson is something special except in your own moronic head. People have said that he may beat the likes of Bellew and Hopkins. FFS has anyone on here actual seen people referencing Stevenson as some kind of all time great? He came from pretty much nowhere to beat the number one light heavyweight in a division that isnt great. He has a high knockout rate and is decent to watch. This clown thinks because suddenly people mention him now as a top light heavyweights that there is some kind of hype train going. Hopkins is ancient now and the only thing special about him now is his age. Take that away and hes just a decent light heavyweight as Dawson showed. Backing Stevenson to beat him now is hardly some declaration of greatness and when Stevenson knocks out two guys back to back that beat Hopkins and took him the distance then its fair grounds for ranking him ahead in the present time.

clown
moron
special

just three insults you have given in the last hour...

you have posted negative comments about Hopkins fight on Saturday all day long on different topics, without even watching the fight

maybe you have some problems, but hatred wont get you anywhere

I posted negative comments about reports I read of Smogers refereeing performance. You clown. special. moron. Hopkins bumhole chum.

you are embarrassing yourself...again

I'm more in line with kingraf here, personally. Appreciate you've got a bee in your bonnet about 'hype jobs' Dave, and I can see where you're coming from in some cases, but what do you expect - a fighter to start scoring good (and unexpected) wins against divisional rivals and us NOT to mention this, or give him his dues for doing so?

Surely Stevenson being mentioned more on the forum, particularly when it comes to potential title fights at 175, more than he was being mentioned six or seven months ago is par for the course and the natural way of things?

If people were calling Stevenson a pound for pounder, saying that he'll hold his title uninterrupted for years, that he's the new star of boxing etc then I'd be more inclined to sympathise with you. But as far as I can see, nobody has said that. It's almost like you want them to say it so that you can sound off about it!

With all due respect, fella, people should be able to view a fighter as one for the future, or tip them to win a few big fights here and there, without having to worry about basically being called a gullible hype train jumper if that fighter doesn't live up to their expectations. Otherwise, we may as well just say that there are no prospects and no fighters who may go on to achieve this, that or the other. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't enjoy discussing boxing half as much if I couldn't ponder the near future with a bit of excitement.

Personally, I don't rate Stevenson all that highly in terms of being a truly top class fighter, but let's be fair to him. Right now he's the closest thing Light-Heavyweight has to a 'lineal' champion and he's on a run of good wins. From what I see, most are simply acknowledging that, even if you are more guarded towards him like I am, he's evidently still better than most of us thought a few months back and are simply pointing out that he's a big player at 175 right now - nothing 'hype job' about that.

Sorry, rant over, back over to you lot!

insulting, not insulating... I'm typing from the mobile, and every now and then it goes on a tangent..

It wouldn't be much of a boxing forum if posters didn't discuss current boxing performances.