The Culture Cup round 10

So here we are with the penultimate round of 2013’s Culture Cup.  There was going to be 12 rounds and a bonus round but I’ll be honest, my enthusiasm is almost at an end so you’ll have to make do with 10 rounds and a double pointer that will separate the men from the boys.  Round 10 brings us the poll for  ‘Best song with an emotion or emotional response in the title’.  With a couple of notable songs banned, it has thrown up some pretty good choices although we have one or two picks that may be considered controversial.  I deliberated long and hard over one of them in particular but have come down on the side of allowing it.  So, what happened in round 9  and  'Best piece of literature with a place or building in the title'….

It is getting a little tiresome typing it out every week, but Hero and compelling & rich both secured a bag full of points and remain locked at the top.  It will take the double point bonus round to separate our conjoined sisters.  Good job they are not minor celebrities or seanmichaels would surely have slept with them seeing as he is so close behind in third after picking up an impressive 9 points with the only book he has ever read.  Azzy got a strange pick and garnered  7 points for One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, proving that acting like a spoilt brat quite often gets you your own way.  TopHat was this rounds big winner with 12 points and he is breathing down the leaders necks.  Dolphin got his joint highest points haul with Animal Farm which should really have won in my opinion.  Rowley edges further away from superflyweight, reinforcing centuries of English rule over the Scots.  Superfly needs a big last couple of rounds to overtake his nemesis.  If only there was a round on deep fried food, superfly.  jbeadle has edged ahead of ChequeredJersey at the foot of the table but that could all change with anyone up to Jeff still in danger if they have a calamitous last two rounds.

Here is the updated table;

Hero (Charlie & the Chocolate Factory): (9) 81
compelling & rich (LA Confidential): (8) 78
seanmichaels (The Two Towers): (9) 74
Azzy (One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest): (7) 71
TopHat (Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy): (12) 66
Adam (Alice in Wonderland): (6) 64
Galted (The Mill on the Floss): (4) 62
onlytreblewinners (The Canterbury Tales): (8) 59
Rowley (Brighton Rock): (5) 54
bhb (The Merchant of Venice): (6) 54
The Womble (Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas): (7) 52
The Boss (Dubliners): (6) 51
Dolphin (Animal Farm): (10) 51
superflyweight (Slaughterhouse 5): (4) 48
Union (Where’s Your Caravan): (5) 44
Julius (The Wonderful Wizard of Oz): (5) 44
jbeadlesbigrighthand (Treasure Island): (8) 40
ChequeredJersey (The Hunchback of Notre Dame): (4) 39

The final bonus round is going to be worth double points and will determine the winners and the losers of this year’s Culture Cup.  The question for the bonus round is this:  Who do you think has made the biggest contribution to the history of British culture?  

I have deliberately left it as quite an open question as it should encourage a bit of thought and some interesting picks.  It can be a singer, a group, an artist, a sculptor, an author, a philosopher, a politician, a poet, a scientist, whatever you feel fits the bill.  So long as you can come on here and justify why they deserve your nomination, then it is fair game.  They don’t necessarily have to be British born, but so long as the contribution they have made is undeniably British then it will be allowed (so Jeff, you can nominate Craig Revel Horwood even though he is Australian born).  I will be the sole judge of what qualifies, but take your time and pick wisely as this round is worth double points.

Here is the poll for round 10.  YOU CAN ONLY VOTE FOR ONE SO TAKE YOUR TIME!  Vote cancelling is not allowed.

Remember, IT IS OPEN FOR THE WHOLE FORUM TO VOTE!

Good round this one with some interesting picks.

I have gone for FEAR by Ian Brown. I think it is such a clever song and his best solo effort for me. It is a really interesting and imaginative piece of songwriting in my opinion and it gets my vote.

Hard not to vote for Ten Story Love Song and one or two others but FEAR wins for me.

It is such a clever pick by the poster who nominated it.

Cannot make my mind up. Genuinely don't want to vote for my own but it is my favourite song on there. Love Ian Brown but Fear is not one of my preferred songs of his. Would pick Happy Birthday if it was the Altered Images song as I used to really fancy Claire Grogan ever since I saw Gregory's Girl (still do if I'm honest.)

Any chance you can tell me who superfly picked so I can avoid that?

Would also have gone for Happy Birthday if it was Altered Images rather than a pack of snotty glaze-eyed kids singing out of tune. Went for Friday I'm In Love instead.

Rowley wrote:

Any chance you can tell me who superfly picked so I can avoid that?

You can pay for that information, certainly.

Tina maybe I am being dumb but what emotion is never tear us apart?

It's a conjoined twins emotional response.

Went for the Manics in the end. Good song from a very underrated band. Was going to show some loyalty towards Yorkshire and vote for the Kaiser Chiefs but I remembered at the last minute they are garbage.

Rowley wrote:Tina maybe I am being dumb but what emotion is never tear us apart?

No you're not being dumb and that was one I thought might be questioned.

Really, the "tear us apart" bit is the emotional response. Assuming he didn't mean literally tearing his limbs apart, then I take it as a response to love which is obviously an emotion. That is why I allowed it and hopefully the poster will come on and defend it with more gusto than I can manage.

The poster who picked Happy Birthday didn't actually specify it was the Altered Image version so I couldn't use them as the band and had to go with the generic song version.

Seems he may have dropped a b*llock as that is two votes lost already.

Rowley wrote:Went for the Manics in the end. Good song from a very underrated band. Was going to show some loyalty towards Yorkshire and vote for the Kaiser Chiefs but I remembered at the last minute they are garbage.

that's the way Jeff.

That would suggest it is your pick Sean, not ideal but as long as it is not superfly's

Went for the Righteous Brothers' song as it is in TopGun which is in my top 5 films along with the original Star Wars trilogy and Independence Day.

Never Tear us Apart unlucky too miss out. Sad business was all that stuff between Hutchence and Yates and its unfortunate ending.

I'm assuming R*** Me by Nirvana was a controversial one? Cracking song and probably one of the best behind M.E. on that list (musically, not in terms of the the question).

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Rowley wrote:Tina maybe I am being dumb but what emotion is never tear us apart?

No you're not being dumb and that was one I thought might be questioned.

Really, the "tear us apart" bit is the emotional response.  Assuming he didn't mean literally tearing his limbs apart, then I take it as a response to love which is obviously an emotion.  That is why I allowed it and hopefully the poster will come on and defend it with more gusto than I can manage.

Never Tear Us Apart is not an emotion. It is an emotional response. Imagine 2 people in love who may have to be separated for some reason. The love they have could Never Tear Them Apart. When Michael Hutchence sadly passed away, the song was played in the church as his coffin was carried out by the pallbearers. That certainly created some emotional responses. I think you have to look a little deeper.

That's what I think the poster was going for anyway.

seanmichaels wrote:
I'm assuming R*** Me by Nirvana was a controversial one?

Yep.

I deliberated long and hard over R*pe Me but I think you can easily construct an argument that r*pe comes from an emotional response. I don’t want to get too serious about it, as the Culture Cup is supposed to be an exercise in fun but I think it deserves a place.

I don’t believe for one minute that r*pists are always emotionless sociopaths, it must come from an emotional response, even if that response is hatred. We all have hatred, that isn't something we should shy away from, it is just that the vast majority of the population can control that emotion. Some can't and it manifests itself in terrible ways. One of those could well be r*pe. Anyway, that is my justification for allowing it.

More importantly, it is a good song.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:
I'm assuming R*** Me by Nirvana was a controversial one?

Yep.

I deliberated long and hard over R*pe Me but I think you can easily construct an argument that r*pe comes from an emotional response.  I don’t want to get too serious about it, as the Culture Cup is supposed to be an exercise in fun but I think it deserves a place.

I don’t believe for one minute that r*pists are always emotionless sociopaths, it must come from an emotional response, even if that response is hatred.  We all have hatred, that isn't something we should shy away from, it is just that the vast majority of the population can control that emotion.  Some can't and it manifests itself in terrible ways.  One of those could well be r*pe.  Anyway, that is my justification for allowing it.

More importantly, it is a good song.

Interesting. I would have gone for the desire angle rather than hatred (assuming) that desire is an emotion.

seanmichaels wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:
I'm assuming R*** Me by Nirvana was a controversial one?

Yep.

I deliberated long and hard over R*pe Me but I think you can easily construct an argument that r*pe comes from an emotional response.  I don’t want to get too serious about it, as the Culture Cup is supposed to be an exercise in fun but I think it deserves a place.

I don’t believe for one minute that r*pists are always emotionless sociopaths, it must come from an emotional response, even if that response is hatred.  We all have hatred, that isn't something we should shy away from, it is just that the vast majority of the population can control that emotion.  Some can't and it manifests itself in terrible ways.  One of those could well be r*pe.  Anyway, that is my justification for allowing it.

More importantly, it is a good song.

Interesting. I would have gone for the desire angle rather than hatred (assuming) that desire is an emotion.

Desire, hatred. Either would fit the argument.

My missus thinks I'm a woman hater (I give her the occasional reason to think that given my criticism of them). I would never want to put it in a woman I hate though. Desire on the other hand....

Boredom as well.

 

Galted wrote:Boredom as well.

Errrrrrrrrmmmmm, where's my pick Tina????

TopHat24/7 wrote:Errrrrrrrrmmmmm, where's my pick Tina????

Oh b*llocks.

How do I add to a poll? Any ideas, anyone?

10 f*cking rounds and the first person I miss off a poll had to be you. Sorry, old boy.

Hopefully Adam or someone can help me edit the poll. If they can't you'll have to just have to canvass the thread with your choice.

It really wasn't going to get many votes though, was it?

I voted for the Righteous Brothers and Blue Oyster Cult.

No, just kidding - only one vote. BOC would have been my second choice. Genuinely think my choice is way better than any of the rest, but I doubt the esteemed cultural doyens of 606v2 will vote for it.

JuliusHMarx wrote:
No, just kidding - only one vote.  BOC would have been my second choice. Genuinely think my choice is way better than any of the rest, but I doubt the esteemed cultural doyens of 606v2 will vote for it.

I remember being a kid and my dad ferrying me around to rugby games.  He always used to play albums by the artist you picked in the car.

Blimey, who nominated Nanci Griffith? I thought the only person who liked her, or even heard of her was my dad! He has all her albums.

Gone with Motorcycle Emptiness too. Very good song, my favourite on the list, and one I never expected to see in a round of anything on here.

Conversely, is it possible to have a cup on here without 'Hurt' being nominated? I don't mind the song but it doesn't always have to be on the list, does it? Hope it gets no votes.

The Womble wrote:Blimey, who nominated Nanci Griffith? I thought the only person who liked her, or even heard of her was my dad! He has all her albums.

Must have been someone old enough to be your dad.

Or it could actually be my dad.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:
No, just kidding - only one vote.  BOC would have been my second choice. Genuinely think my choice is way better than any of the rest, but I doubt the esteemed cultural doyens of 606v2 will vote for it.

I remember being a kid and my dad ferrying me around to rugby games.  He always used to play albums by the artist you picked in the car.

My old man always used to have Echo and the Bunnymen or Simple Minds in the motor. Funny how you remember those things so vividly all these years on.

The Womble wrote:Or it could actually be my dad.

This is going to be like Surprise Surprise. Wombel And Julius reunited after years in the wilderness with nothing but a Nanci Griffith song to remember each other by......

That makes me feel really old Sean, I love the Bunnymen. Ocean Rain is a classic. Simple Minds, not bothered with.

Echo and the Bunnymen or Simple Minds?
I think I might be your dad as well.

JuliusHMarx wrote:Echo and the Bunnymen or Simple Minds?
I think I might be your dad as well.

So you have fathered me, Womble and michaels.

michaels is obviously the runt of the litter.

Rowley wrote:That makes me feel really old Sean, I love the Bunnymen. Ocean Rain is a classic. Simple Minds, not bothered with.

Ocean Rain was 84? You can't have been that old? Seven Seas still a favourite song of mine. Quite handy actually because it is possibly the one band me and the missus can listen to without bitching about each other's choice.

I was 11 Sean, have always been a man of extraordinary tastes though.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:Echo and the Bunnymen or Simple Minds?
I think I might be your dad as well.

So you have fathered me, Womble and michaels.

michaels is obviously the runt of the litter.

I clearly got the looks in the family.

Rowley wrote:I was 11 Sean, have always been a man of extraordinary tastes though.

And no little ego

False modesty is more annoying than being egotistical.

The Womble wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:Echo and the Bunnymen or Simple Minds?
I think I might be your dad as well.

So you have fathered me, Womble and michaels.

michaels is obviously the runt of the litter.

I clearly got the looks in the family.

I got the intelligence, charm, wit and charisma.

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Rowley wrote:I was 11 Sean, have always been a man of extraordinary tastes though.

And no little ego

 
Yorkshireman can't be wrong which results in them having impeccable taste.
 
Speaking of which I saw an article yesterday that said the Lonely Planet has Yorkshire as the 3rd best place to visit in the world?

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:10 f*cking rounds and the first person I miss off a poll had to be you.  Sorry, old boy.

Hopefully Adam or someone can help me edit the poll.  If they can't you'll have to just have to canvass the thread with your choice.

It really wasn't going to get many votes though, was it?

I would laugh if I wasn't so miffed!! She may have been a smackhead but that was one of the greatest love songs of all time and one of the biggest hits in music history!

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

The Womble wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:Echo and the Bunnymen or Simple Minds?
I think I might be your dad as well.

So you have fathered me, Womble and michaels.

michaels is obviously the runt of the litter.

I clearly got the looks in the family.

I got the intelligence, charm, wit and charisma.

And a few extra pounds by all accounts.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:10 f*cking rounds and the first person I miss off a poll had to be you.  Sorry, old boy.

Hopefully Adam or someone can help me edit the poll.  If they can't you'll have to just have to canvass the thread with your choice.

It really wasn't going to get many votes though, was it?

I would laugh if I wasn't so miffed!! She may have been a smackhead but that was one of the greatest love songs of all time and one of the biggest hits in music history!

If you're talking about that Amy Winehouse bird then she shouldn't be allowed here on principle. Found her very annoying.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:10 f*cking rounds and the first person I miss off a poll had to be you.  Sorry, old boy.

Hopefully Adam or someone can help me edit the poll.  If they can't you'll have to just have to canvass the thread with your choice.

It really wasn't going to get many votes though, was it?

I would laugh if I wasn't so miffed!! She may have been a smackhead but that was one of the greatest love songs of all time and one of the biggest hits in music history!

The Vengaboys had some huge hits, they were still sh*t.

I have asked Adam for help in editing the poll.

seanmichaels wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:10 f*cking rounds and the first person I miss off a poll had to be you.  Sorry, old boy.

Hopefully Adam or someone can help me edit the poll.  If they can't you'll have to just have to canvass the thread with your choice.

It really wasn't going to get many votes though, was it?

I would laugh if I wasn't so miffed!! She may have been a smackhead but that was one of the greatest love songs of all time and one of the biggest hits in music history!

If you're talking about that Amy Winehouse bird then she shouldn't be allowed here on principle. Found her very annoying.

Agreed. This woman had more talent in her finger than Amy Skankhouse did in her body and more success with one song than Wino had in her career.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

The Womble wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:Echo and the Bunnymen or Simple Minds?
I think I might be your dad as well.

So you have fathered me, Womble and michaels.

michaels is obviously the runt of the litter.

I clearly got the looks in the family.

I got the intelligence, charm, wit and charisma.

Not from me, obviously.

Don't want to cause hassle Tina but which Winehouse song was it. I like her a lot, I may have voted for that. Although to be fair now I know it is top hat's I probably won't.

Did TopHat choose Janis Joplin?