World Tour Finals Day 2 - Nadal, Federer and Djokovic

First topic message reminder :

Tennis fans it is a marquee day today. I can't help but think what a jammy git Danny is to be able view both matches today and also CAS will be there later on when Federer and Djokovic lock horns.

Well today looks to be a bit special.

We have Nadal v Ferrer a rematch from Paris. Can the terrier sink his teeth into Nadal once again and produce another upset? Or will Nadal show up and inflict defeat number 21?

We then have for the main event Federer v Djokovic again another rematch from Paris. Can Roger at the tournament he has dominated Serbinate the Serbinator? Or will Djokovic crush the Swiss maestro.

The sad thing is I won't be able to watch either so a live commentary will be much appreciated and do feel free to discuss all things related to today's place.

Dodgy knees, dodgy backs, dodgy breathing, dodgy racquets. Anything dodgy goes. As the song goes if it is good enough for you, it's good enough for me

LuvSports! wrote:Sorry, you said they were the greatest evil in tennis.

I refer you to my above explanation if that does not satisfy you, oh well.

3-3 in the tiebreaker as close as it can get in this set. Wawrinka having a lot of trouble with the body serve swinging into his forehand from Nadal, keeps getting caught in his backhand grip. Nice ace nadal 4-3

4-4 in the tie break.
Stan really is playing some great stuff, rafa not at his best.
Looked as if it was curtains when rafa was 4-2 up and had a breakpoint but he broke back and is now 5-4 up in the tiebreak!
ALLEZ STAN!

5-4 Wawrinka after a monster forehand. Nadal with 2 serves, damn good set.

NOOOOOOOOOO, what happened there?!??! so unlucky stan.

Nadal breaking the time rule yet again.... and no Umpire has the balls to give him a point penalty because that was the second time.  Sportsmanship award 2013? Having a laugh.

Stan had a good chance here and Nadal got extremely lucky hitting the baseline after that shot from Stan.  Had no right to win the point but slow courts make sure.  Stan was doing all the work and Nadal was just pushing back nearly every shot. It's dull to watch a defender beat an attacker like this. Watch the grace of 1 handed backhand against an ugly 2 handed and watch the grace get beaten.

Maybe they should force tennis players to HAVE to play 1 handed? That would sort the men from the boys.

Leonard777 wrote:Nadal breaking the time rule yet again.... and no Umpire has the balls to give him a point penalty because that was the second time.  Sportsmanship award 2013? Having a laugh.

Stan had a good chance here and Nadal got extremely lucky hitting the baseline after that shot from Stan.  Had no right to win the point but slow courts make sure.  Stan was doing all the work and Nadal was just pushing back nearly every shot.

Yes I have to admit Nadal has always been extremely lucky... amazing how you can keep hitting the lines with just luck.

I can see rafa winning this set easily ala his shanghai win over stan, 7-6 6-1.

To be fair Leonard it was a one handed slice lob that won it at 5-5 stan had a put away after that and lost his legs

Haddie-nuff wrote:

Leonard777 wrote:Nadal breaking the time rule yet again.... and no Umpire has the balls to give him a point penalty because that was the second time.  Sportsmanship award 2013? Having a laugh.

Stan had a good chance here and Nadal got extremely lucky hitting the baseline after that shot from Stan.  Had no right to win the point but slow courts make sure.  Stan was doing all the work and Nadal was just pushing back nearly every shot.

Yes I have to admit Nadal has always been extremely lucky... amazing how you can keep hitting the lines with just luck.

Interesting how you ignored the bit about nadal breaking the time rule limit again.

Haddie-nuff wrote:

Leonard777 wrote:Nadal breaking the time rule yet again.... and no Umpire has the balls to give him a point penalty because that was the second time.  Sportsmanship award 2013? Having a laugh.

Stan had a good chance here and Nadal got extremely lucky hitting the baseline after that shot from Stan.  Had no right to win the point but slow courts make sure.  Stan was doing all the work and Nadal was just pushing back nearly every shot.

Yes I have to admit Nadal has always been extremely lucky... amazing how you can keep hitting the lines with just luck.

I do them all the time when I play tennis.  Don't you?  Your opponent does a fantastic shot and you just react?  Point is a shot like that shouldnt ever be coming back, the slow courts allow for this type of snoozer to win points like that.

And as the person above says, he should have had a point penalty. So really, he didn't win it fair did he. He cheated.

Stan  has never had a better chance... he is playing at the top of his game on the surface Rafa dislikes...now or never time me thinks.

Leonard777 wrote:

Haddie-nuff wrote:

Leonard777 wrote:Nadal breaking the time rule yet again.... and no Umpire has the balls to give him a point penalty because that was the second time.  Sportsmanship award 2013? Having a laugh.

Stan had a good chance here and Nadal got extremely lucky hitting the baseline after that shot from Stan.  Had no right to win the point but slow courts make sure.  Stan was doing all the work and Nadal was just pushing back nearly every shot.

Yes I have to admit Nadal has always been extremely lucky... amazing how you can keep hitting the lines with just luck.

I do them all the time when I play tennis.  Don't you?  Your opponent does a fantastic shot and you just react?  Point is a shot like that shouldnt ever be coming back, the slow courts allow for this type of snoozer to win points like that.

Well from my observations Rafa then has been LUCKY throughout his whole career ... coz he keeps on hitting those godammed lines.. jammy beggar.

Haddie-nuff wrote:

Leonard777 wrote:

Haddie-nuff wrote:

Leonard777 wrote:Nadal breaking the time rule yet again.... and no Umpire has the balls to give him a point penalty because that was the second time.  Sportsmanship award 2013? Having a laugh.

Stan had a good chance here and Nadal got extremely lucky hitting the baseline after that shot from Stan.  Had no right to win the point but slow courts make sure.  Stan was doing all the work and Nadal was just pushing back nearly every shot.

Yes I have to admit Nadal has always been extremely lucky... amazing how you can keep hitting the lines with just luck.

I do them all the time when I play tennis.  Don't you?  Your opponent does a fantastic shot and you just react?  Point is a shot like that shouldnt ever be coming back, the slow courts allow for this type of snoozer to win points like that.

Well from my observations Rafa then has been LUCKY throughout his whole career ... coz he keeps on hitting those godammed lines.. jammy beggar.

He is certainly lucky that the rules aren't enforced and that we are playing in the most 1 dimensional set of conditions in tennis history, I definitely agree there.

Soo he's a cheating snoozer... You're feelings are clear but don't let your judgement come out as aggressive posting it'll get you in trouble

stan the man complaining about coaching from toni nadal.

Do give it a break !!!!

Please calm down Leonard you're frustrated we get it but its gonna cause an argument. And then trouble with the mods

LuvSports! wrote:stan the man complaining about coaching from toni nadal.

Let's see, coaching, breaking time rule (cheating by definition).  Are we not allowed to discuss this?  Or like ATP do we have to sweep it under the rug because of the great Rafa?

I'll say it again.. Sportsmanship 2013? Having a laugh.

To be fair by nadals reaction he doesn't really want Toni doing that either

Me haddie?
I was just saying about the time violation and coaching.

falzy21 wrote:To be fair by nadals reaction he doesn't really want Toni doing that either

Exactly falzy you cant blame him for his loud mouthed Uncle. Toni never knows when to keep it:censored:

LuvSports! wrote:Me haddie?
I was just saying about the time violation and coaching.

No not you LS your post crept in before mine... 

No ls not you but Leonard's clearly getting very irate and it's gonna cause trouble. He needs to switch the tennis off and go something else got a bit

Stupid iPhone autocorrect...

falzy21 wrote:No ls not you but Leonard's clearly getting very irate and it's gonna cause trouble.  He needs to switch the tennis off and go something else got a bit

Yes , heaven forbid we get irate at cheating that goes unpunished. Why don't you switch tennis off, you obviously don't care.

socal1976 wrote:

LuvSports! wrote:Socal said he hated fed fans for a while.

No I did not, I stated that I disliked Federer fans who dislike every other modern champion except Federer and make unsubstantiated accusations of PED use against Fed's rivals. I never stated I hated all Federer fans. I do dislike a small minority sub-group of fed fans who dis the other big 4 players and make accusations of PED use with no evidence.

I'd agree with that, but I tend to just disregard them rather than try and address them, for the most part.

Don't you just love the passion that goes with a Nadal match  

Cliches of our time.
Stan unlucky.
Nadal lucky.
Stan loses.
Nadal wins.

On "cheating": the umpire's decision is final. If you want to "sort it out" then you have to train to become an umpire.

Nore Staat wrote:Cliches of our time.
Stan unlucky.
Nadal lucky.
Stan loses.
Nadal wins.

On "cheating": the umpire's decision is final.  If you want to "sort it out" then you have to train to become an umpire.

  

Cool it off Leonard don't start getting personal. Just enjoy the tennis On that note a real missed chance for stan that last game

falzy21 wrote:Cool it off Leonard don't start getting personal. Just enjoy the tennis   On that note a real missed chance for stan that last game

You were the one who got personal.  Digest this bleacherreport.com/articles/411886-rafa-and-faking-and-coaching-wimbledon-2010

Uh oh ...

I'm not getting in an argument you're getting angry we're just asking for some zen that's all we don't want an angry atmosphere

falzy21 wrote:I'm not getting in an argument  you're getting angry we're just asking for some zen that's all we don't want an angry atmosphere

Then tell Nadal to stop ruining matches with his crap behaviour.

NS, yes their decision is final, but they can be wrong no?

Rafa isn't lucky in matches. He plays with huge margins for error and incredible amounts of topspin, so generally he isn't lucky as the wicked amount of spin he uses and fleetness of foot, enables him to do what others can't.

Well your anger is that nadals winning doesn't mean you can get sharp with me. If you hate nadals matches the solutions obvious

Yeah falzy tell Rafa to stop ruining matches!

ANOTHER miss on bp

Leonard777 wrote:

falzy21 wrote:Cool it off Leonard don't start getting personal. Just enjoy the tennis   On that note a real missed chance for stan that last game

You were the one who got personal.  Digest this bleacherreport.com/articles/411886-rafa-and-faking-and-coaching-wimbledon-2010

Like I was just a walking and a strolling in the shopping centre and this fella came up to me and said Jesus will save your soul and the end is nigh and I said to him okay. Then I gots myself these trainers and when I went out this same fella he came to me and said the end is nigh and the jesus he loves you so I said okay. Then after I got meself that latest muzic disq download utube mp3 sim giga track from Reeanna, he came a running after me saying the end is nigh and I hads to get on my bike but I still saws him a running after me sayings the ends is nigh. Nows I heard him the first time and I said okay he didn't have to keep a repeating himself because it made him seem a bit like weird.

Well given the year that Rafa has had it must be sheer Tennis viewing misery for some... 

Even though stan will lose this match, there are still encouraging signs that he will progress vs ferrer imo.

LuvSports! wrote:NS, yes their decision is final, but they can be wrong no? ...

Umpires are accountable to the rules but have leeway to interpret them as they have to react to the specific conditions of the match (crowd noise, 100 stroke rallies, weather conditions, safety ...)

Attack breaks defence

And as I think it has been mentioned in the past.. Rafa is NOT on his own.. though you would be forgiven for thinking so.

Back on serve but can stan avoid a dip again?

Haddie-nuff wrote:Well given the year that Rafa has had  it must be sheer Tennis viewing misery for some... 

Not really, the main event was great this year because he was dumped out R1 and that event is the one everyone wants to win. It comes before all else/.  

With berdych bit playing great I think stan has a great chance

HM Murdoch wrote:Johnyjeep, at the end of 2007, the number 2 and 3 players in the world were aged 20 and 21.

Why should we not view them as superior to the generation of 25-26 year olds they supplanted? Especially as that older generation never reclaimed those places.

By extension, is it not reasonable to conclude that those two rivals to Federer, now aged 26 and 27, with multiple slam titles and 100+ weeks at number 1 each, are better players now than they were as pups in 2007?

I'm not keen on dismissing any period as being poor but I find the idea that the level of competition is some kind of constant fixed level pretty unconvincing too.

Hi guys,

I agree, progression is not linear. I'm not saying that this period is stronger or weaker than any others. What I'm saying is that, no matter how 'strong' you view it, Nadal and Federer had it the same. The played the same opposition and won Grand Slams in the same period give or take 25 months.

Those players who were supplanted would still have been playing either side of Nadal and Djokovic claiming this spots. So..unless these players had an incredibly short career..they provided the same opposition to all players in that period.

We are viewing Federer's (and Nadal's) achievements in this period on the basis of what their opponents haven't won. If Federer had won less, and say Hewitt, Roddick and Nalbandian (for example) had won more, would we being viewing his achievements as greater (than we are now) because he had won less and his opponents more (as they would have won more GS's)?. It makes no sense.

FYI Hewitt was an incredible competitor. Even now, at his ripe old age, and about a million operations he can still take out high seeded players. Roddick had a combination that, in those days, were deadly. Agassi was still about.

To say Nadal was a pup (I'm replying to Socal now), and yet some how managed to win on the most gruelling of surfaces is a contradiction in itself. If you are good enough (which he was as he showed by winning the French) you are old enough. [/b]

Leonard777 wrote:

Haddie-nuff wrote:Well given the year that Rafa has had  it must be sheer Tennis viewing misery for some... 

Not really, the main event was great this year because he was dumped out R1 and that event is the one everyone wants to win. It comes before all else/.  

It a shame Im not allowed but I could point you in the direction of another forum where you would be entirely at home... keep searching on Google you will find it soon enough ..