Do people really hate Manchester United?

Following the comments of Phil Jones today I wanted to ask you guys, is it true that people really hate Man UTD and want to see them fail?

I personally don't hate them, even as a Liverpool fan. However I think some of their fans that I know personally are as daft as a brush and have a belief that football started with the premier league and that anything before it didn't happen.

I admire any team/sportsperson that has continued success. This obviously includes Utd. Some people just don't like successful teams, be it Utd or Chelsea.

Most of the animosity is because they are successful team. But I hate them because am a Liverpool fan and the rivalry. They could be bottom of league two and I would feel the same.

I dont hate them.

Dont want to see them fail as such, but would like to see other teams win the league.

Fair play to them. And Fergie.

I hate Tom Cleverley.

I have no problem with Utd, especially seeming as we tend to do quite well against them down the Carra

Actually the only problem I have with Utd, is that we never bloody beat them.

I'd say yes, if you include bitter jealousy in the definition of hate.

It's simply a symptom of society's broader disease of reverse snobbery towards success.

I admire Manchester United, there the biggest football club in the world IMO. There success has been amazing yes its mainly thanks to the best manager who has ever lived Sir Alex Ferguson but i think its still Manchester United football club that made it happen not just one man.

The one thing i like about United, and Arsenal for that matter is they are constantly trying to bring through young English talent e.g. Paul Jones, Tom Cleverly, Danny Welbeck, Wilfred Zaha, etc. 

I hate City, i did love it when they won the league, i think that was just down to the buzz of the moment.

Unless you're a Leeds, Liverpool or a City fan. There should be no reason for you to hate United what so ever IMO.

I think a lot of people do. A lot of West Ham fans generally do, its an attitude thing that came from Ferguson down through the likes of Keane and Neville. People didn't like the snarling brigade. There was an arrogance too. The fans can be as moronic, if not more, than any.

Its not something I have as a problem, but I grew up supporting Man United until maturity hit, but I can see why. I dont think theres many clubs outside London that West Ham would so enjoy screwing out of a title.

Love seeing United fail. Wouldn't say I hate them but have a strong dislike for reasons already mentioned. And I agree that most of their fans are morons.

No worse than the moronic Chelsea fans who think Lampard was better Scholes, strange how you lot got louder since Roman came in.

Genuinely struggle to think of a more moronic group of fans than Chelsea's who cannot acknowledge that they were an upper-middle tier domestic side before becoming a billionaire's plaything.

Never forget watching the CL final at a pub in central London and watching a bunch of stereotypical Chelsea numpties playing a game of 'who can headbutt who the hardest without spilling any of their pint". Archetypal knuckle-draggers.

I'm not really sure why you'd "hate" any football team really.

I'm not a great fan of Ipswich, but I'd love to see them come up so we can play them in the Premier League. Not sure I hate any club

Players that's different

TopHat24/7 wrote:Genuinely struggle to think of a more moronic group of fans than Chelsea's who cannot acknowledge that they were an upper-middle tier domestic side before becoming a billionaire's plaything.

Never forget watching the CL final at a pub in central London and watching a bunch of stereotypical Chelsea numpties playing a game of 'who can headbutt who the hardest without spilling any of their pint".  Archetypal knuckle-draggers.

Usually people slag us for being an awful team before Roman came along and I'm always saying we were already a solid top 5/6 team and finished 4th and got into the UCL without him.

I see a lot of the "prawn sandwich" brigade at Stamford Bridge whenever I've been under Roman. But, there are plenty of fans who remember what it was like before Roman and how catastrophic it was going to be if Liverpool beat us in that 4th place game. I'm just old enough to understand what could have been. We'd probably be an upper level Championship club right now if Gronkjaer didn't score that goal.

My Dad took me to the title parade in 05 and he joined in with the older fans all saying to us youngsters "Where were you when we lost to teams like Carlisle?" and "I remember losing 6-0 to Rotherham".

Football fans in general are moronic, no point in picking on one clubs.

Just listen to 606, people who haven't even seen the game wanting the manager sacked based on the commentary they've heard on the radio!!

Olly wrote:I'm not really sure why you'd "hate" any football team really.

I'm not a great fan of Ipswich, but I'd love to see them come up so we can play them in the Premier League. Not sure I hate any club

Players that's different

Totally agree Olly.

I dont hate the Blues. It was good when they were in the prem, because of the local derby,(ok there is WBA), but I dont class them as a real rival.

I dont care what happens to them, or any other team to be honest. As long as is nothing bad.

I think people do "hate" united and it is probably simply down to their success and the definition of "hate" in this context including bitter jealousy.

Not old enough to remember properly but did people hate Liverpool in the 70's and 80's?

I don't think anybody hates Manchester United.........I think it's more the fans peopl e have a problem with.......

One of the reasons I support City is because of the arrogance of the Utd fans when I first came here.....

Even now the stock answer for everything is "How many premierships have you won"...

Very hard to have a "conversation" with a Utd fan without them shoving Champion leagues and premierships in your face......

Better to just smile and leave it........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I don't think anybody hates Manchester United.........I think it's more the fans peopl e have a problem with.......

One of the reasons I support City is because of the arrogance of the Utd fans when I first came here.....

Even now the stock answer for everything is "How many premierships have you won"...

Very hard to have a "conversation" with a Utd fan without them shoving Champion leagues and premierships in your face......

Better to just smile and leave it........

not arrogant just better  

well were for  while anyway!! and lets face it you only started supporting city when they got good plastic, never saw you on old 606 on any of the football boards or talking about football in general

I've always had good experiences talking to United fans (until Ent) and I've always admired how great a side they are.  Giggs pretty much got me into football and some of the sides/players they've had are a joy to watch.  Ronaldo, Beckham, Scholes etc etc.

I have read Sun Tzu's Art of war and there is a saying that pictures of the devil makes even the most noble of heart commit the most heinous of acts. Maybe manchester uniteds badge springs fear into the heart of man.

As an Arsenal fan I don't like United, but I don't hate them either. Sure I would like to finish on top of them and see other teams win league. I would rather Arsenal, United, or Liverpool win the league than Chelsea or City. I don't like megabillionaire bond villains like the sheik and shady Roman Goldfinger stockpiling players as if they are women buying shoes. The big clubs have history, tradition, and larger more global fan bases and are not a reflection of merely the big ego of some megabillionaire. Frankly, can't stand the Galactico model of building a club by buying and stockpilling as many stars as possible with half of them not playing, it hurts the overrall quality of the league as hundreds of millions of pounds worth of talent mainly just sits on the bench. Where as the traditionally big clubs are sowing the rewards of organic and long term success and are not merely the reflection of the ego of one super rich individual.

i do think the rise of chelsea and city with there owners has seen less hatred towards us. before them i think we were clearly the least liked club in england. think people now at least appreciate the way we have been ran and spent what we have earned.

MIG wrote:I've always had good experiences talking to United fans (until Ent) and I've always admired how great a side they are.  Giggs pretty much got me into football and some of the sides/players they've had are a joy to watch.  Ronaldo, Beckham, Scholes etc etc.

pffft... slander

Olly wrote:I'm not really sure why you'd "hate" any football team really.

I'm not a great fan of Ipswich, but I'd love to see them come up so we can play them in the Premier League. Not sure I hate any club

Players that's different

I agree with this to certain extent. Like for instance i love it when Palace lose, but if for instance they had the problems we had back in 1997 when we almost got relegated out of the football league, almost went bust and were groundless, i would offer full support to the whole club involving whoever, like all of there supporters and their football club did and they along with the other 92 clubs played a huge huge huge part in helping us get our stadium and where Brighton & Hove Albion FC are today.

I have no disagreement with Manchester United, but I do think their fans are sometimes guilty of arrogance.

The ticker thing, aimed at Manchester City was tasteless and shoddy.   An arrogant act of shoving their success in their neighbour's faces. Some of the banners aimed at Liverpool supporters ("always somebody else to blame", aimed at the Hillsborough families) are appallingly insensitive. Alex Ferguson's comments about 'Noisy Neighbours' was uncalled for, petty and vindictive.  I could go on, but you get the drift.

Alex Ferguson was a man of two parts.  On the one hand a brilliant team builder, tactician and man motivator.  On the other hand, a small minded, callous individual who bore childish grudges and treated anybody who didn't play by his rules with, often brutal, contempt.  

I think that these things are the foundation for many who feel antipathy towards Manchester United.  We want to admire the superb football.  We want to like Alex Ferguson.  We want to share in United's success when, say, they conquer Europe.  But, for many, they make it just so bloody difficult to like them.  

United fans, on the other hand, may say  "Who cares.?  We're the champions, who gives a toss whether you like us or not..?"

Fair point.  Why should they care?  They are the team hoovering up the Premier league title year after year, although only (only..??   ) two Champions League wins in nearly thirty years of Alex Ferguson is poor return for a club of their resources and abilities.

It would be nice to think that David Moyse will bring a more civilised, enlightened attitude to the club.  He has already condemned the culture of diving for penalties... public comments that were spoken as a generalisation, but were surely aimed at Ashley Young..... and he is less abrasive and confrontational than his illustrious predecessor.  

Hopefully, this will catch on with the United fans and they may start to show a little more magnanimity.   We may get to find out sooner rather than later, as I think this United team is still very potent and is a strong championship challenger.  Time will tell.

But Phil Jones cannot expect United to be loved if they continue as they do, by looking down their noses at the rest of English football.  They are a big club, it is true.  They are a great club and they have a marvellous team that we all love to watch.  They are worthy champions on the field.  

All they have to learn, is to be worthy people off it.

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I am also not a big Ferguson fan, don't get me wrong a great manager maybe the best that has ever been in the game of world football. But does anyone find his attacks against players like Keane, Beckham, and Rooney in a public tell all book a bit disturbing. I mean I think his autobiography if anything cheapens his legacy. I mean it can't take away from his on field accomplishments but it makes Ferguson the man look like a big Bar Steward. Keane is a jerk and hot head himself, but he is right when he says that Ferguson talks up loyalty but has shown very little loyalty to the players that he had a falling out with. Rooney, Keane, Beckham for better of worse have been or were great servants of the club and helped them win a lot of trophies. Keane in particular practically single handed dragged them to the finals of the Champions League back in 99, I mean without him despite all the other stars they had they might not have been in that famous final against Bayern.

Contrast that with a guy like Wenger, who is almost like a father figure type figure and nurtures his players with a guy like Ferguson who is willing to trash publicly anyone who he has falling out with no matter how much success and how many years that player has given to him and the club. I can't see Wenger retiring and then writing a book trashing RVP or Fabregas.

The Fourth Lion wrote:I have no disagreement with Manchester United, but I do think their fans are sometimes guilty of arrogance.

The ticker thing, aimed at Manchester City was tasteless and shoddy.   An arrogant act of shoving their success in their neighbour's faces. Some of the banners aimed at Liverpool supporters ("always somebody else to blame", aimed at the Hillsborough families) are appallingly insensitive. Alex Ferguson's comments about 'Noisy Neighbours' was uncalled for, petty and vindictive.  I could go on, but you get the drift.

And when Liverpool fans are making aeroplane noises and actions with their arms?? Cuts both ways, 4L.

It does, both are pathetic with it. Two wrongs

TopHat24/7 wrote:

The Fourth Lion wrote:I have no disagreement with Manchester United, but I do think their fans are sometimes guilty of arrogance.

The ticker thing, aimed at Manchester City was tasteless and shoddy.   An arrogant act of shoving their success in their neighbour's faces. Some of the banners aimed at Liverpool supporters ("always somebody else to blame", aimed at the Hillsborough families) are appallingly insensitive. Alex Ferguson's comments about 'Noisy Neighbours' was uncalled for, petty and vindictive.  I could go on, but you get the drift.

And when Liverpool fans are making aeroplane noises and actions with their arms?? Cuts both ways, 4L.

I quite agree that such things are tasteless, but in the words of Shakespeare, "If your enemy is a fool, and an ass, and a prating coxcomb, is it meet too, that you should be a fool and an ass, and a prating coxcomb..?   In more modern English, what that means is that if you become what you behold, then you are as stupid as they are.

Be that as it may, it is worth pointing out that  the Munich air disaster occurred in 1958, some 55 years ago, so nobody under the age of, say, 60 (at the very youngest) today could say that it was a traumatic experience for them personally.  Any sentiment that Manchester United fans born after the event have about it would be purely from a partisan point of view.  Are there any living relatives of the bereaved still watching games at Old Trafford..?  Of course, Bobby Charlton goes to games still, but I would suggest there are very few others.  That doesn't make it right, of course, but it should be remembered that no blame was ever attached to Manchester United for the disaster and they were not vilified for it in the news media, or had the memory of their loved ones tainted by scurrilous lies by tabloid hacks and corrupt police.

On the other hand, it is very likely that when United visit Anfield, there is a strong likelihood of there being a significant number of living relatives and friends present, who lost loved ones at Hillsborough, and are still fighting to obtain justice for their loss.... a loss that their loved ones were unfairly and unjustly blamed for.  Those family members wounds are still raw and open.  

I would suggest that of the two sets of fans, both as guilty as each other of tasteless and immature acts of stupidity, it is the behaviour of the United supporters that is the more brutal and callous.  They know they are causing very real distress to a large number of people whose pain has not been assuaged.

What these 'fans' do isn't 'fan rivalry', it is just sheer nastiness and there is no need for it. Frankly, I think it's sick.

I dont think there is one worse than the other and I do think its foolish to try and make it so. They are basically all immature and doing what they know is depraved. It is not the message itself more the act, that is their point.

The Fourth Lion wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

The Fourth Lion wrote:I have no disagreement with Manchester United, but I do think their fans are sometimes guilty of arrogance.

The ticker thing, aimed at Manchester City was tasteless and shoddy.   An arrogant act of shoving their success in their neighbour's faces. Some of the banners aimed at Liverpool supporters ("always somebody else to blame", aimed at the Hillsborough families) are appallingly insensitive. Alex Ferguson's comments about 'Noisy Neighbours' was uncalled for, petty and vindictive.  I could go on, but you get the drift.

And when Liverpool fans are making aeroplane noises and actions with their arms?? Cuts both ways, 4L.

I quite agree that such things are tasteless, but in the words of Shakespeare, "If your enemy is a fool, and an ass, and a prating coxcomb, is it meet too, that you should be a fool and an ass, and a prating coxcomb..?   In more modern English, what that means is that if you become what you behold, then you are as stupid as they are.

Be that as it may, it is worth pointing out that  the Munich air disaster occurred in 1958, some 55 years ago, so nobody under the age of, say, 60 (at the very youngest) today could say that it was a traumatic experience for them personally.  Any sentiment that Manchester United fans born after the event have about it would be purely from a partisan point of view.  Are there any living relatives of the bereaved still watching games at Old Trafford..?  Of course, Bobby Charlton goes to games still, but I would suggest there are very few others.  That doesn't make it right, of course, but it should be remembered that no blame was ever attached to Manchester United for the disaster and they were not vilified for it in the news media, or had the memory of their loved ones tainted by scurrilous lies by tabloid hacks and corrupt police.

On the other hand, it is very likely that when United visit Anfield, there is a strong likelihood of there being a significant number of living relatives and friends present, who lost loved ones at Hillsborough, and are still fighting to obtain justice for their loss.... a loss that their loved ones were unfairly and unjustly blamed for.  Those family members wounds are still raw and open.  

I would suggest that of the two sets of fans, both as guilty as each other of tasteless and immature acts of stupidity, it is the behaviour of the United supporters that is the more brutal and callous.  They know they are causing very real distress to a large number of people whose pain has not been assuaged.

What these 'fans' do isn't 'fan rivalry', it is just sheer nastiness and there is no need for it.  Frankly, I think it's sick.

agree 100%

I hate a substantial percentage of Manchester United fans, but not the club. Glory hunting b'stards. The whole country goes into mourning when Manchester United lose. Problem is, that country is Vietnam.

Marky wrote:I hate a substantial percentage of Manchester United fans, but not the club. Glory hunting b'stards. The whole country goes into mourning when Manchester United lose. Problem is, that country is Vietnam.

Have to agree with this. I don't mind the club but the glory hunters annoy me especially when I know more about their club than they do.

Yeh I got a few mates who live in London and were born in London and have never been to Manchester who support Man united. The only reason they could support United is because Uniited are successful i.e they are glory hunters.

Not that it really matters but the "its never your fault" chant is more about liverpools fans actions in heysel. Basically how they cry out about hillsborough but keep very quiet about heysel. Ive also never seen any banners for this, certainly not offical ones.

Not that im making excuses for it. Its not acceptable, does make me laugh when both sets get up in arms about such songs then respond with a equally offensive song. Hypocrites the lot of them.

Also just because munich happened longer ago really doesnt affect anything, you really dont understand what munich means to united if your suggesting that you had to be alive to fully understand the hurt the club went through during this period and how it shaped us

Sorry that's a BS excuse fourth lion, so you can't be offended by something if you weren't born at the time?

I'll start to change my views on life so that slavery, wars and anything in history doesn't offend, what complete and utter nonsense.

compelling and rich wrote:Not that it really matters but the "its never your fault" chant is more about liverpools fans actions in heysel. Basically how they cry out about hillsborough but keep very quiet about heysel. Ive also never seen any banners for this, certainly not offical ones.

Not that im making excuses for it. Its not acceptable, does make me laugh when both sets get up in arms about such songs then respond with a equally offensive song. Hypocrites the lot of them.

Also just because munich happened longer ago really doesnt affect anything, you really dont understand what munich means to united if your suggesting that you had to be alive to fully understand the hurt the club went through during this period and how it shaped us

Of course an event that has happened recently where members of your immediate family or friends have been killed or affected will affect you more than an event that happened before you or your immediate family were born and you only ever read about in a history book.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Sorry that's a BS excuse fourth lion, so you can't be offended by something if you weren't born at the time?

I'll start to change my views on life so that slavery, wars and anything in history doesn't offend, what complete and utter nonsense.

I'm glad you're sorry. You should be. And your comments are.

Your apology is accepted.


Yes, you can be offended by something that isn't within your life experience, but significantly less so than with things that actually affected you personally. When something touches your own personal life for real, it matters more.

But it is somewhat telling when I can amuse myself at the expense of the ignorant who have almost absolutely no knowledge of what happened, save for the fact that an airplane with some footballers in it crashed once, a long time ago.

Watching the United v Liverpool match in a pub last season, when a plea for respect was made by both managers before the game, one loudmouth started going on about Heysel. I said to him that it was a shame about Munich, and how, at the time, Bayern Munich offered to forfeit the second leg of the tie out of respect. "Yeah, mate. Class that was." he replied.

Having established that this clown didn't know the first thing that he was talking about, I then proceeded to reel him in, saying how sad it was that Matt Busby died from his injuries, but at least Duncan Edwards went on to play a hundred times for England. "Yeah, mate. Us United supporters have got a lot to be proud of". And so it went on while those standing around sniggered behind their hands at the total eejit he was making of himself. I don't know how I kept a straight face.

Faux indignation. There's a lot of it about.

You're quite clearly a cretin.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You're quite clearly a cretin.

Yeah I agree, not sure why you bring up the negatives associated with heysel and hills borough then admit to bringing up Munich to deliberately antagonise someone.

Might be petty one up man ship but I have never heard or seen behaviour to rival Liverpool fans from any set of civilised people ever.

Throwing cups of urine at united fans at anfield, smearing Munich in faeces in the toilets at old Trafford, shaking Alan smiths ambulance whilst heading to hospital with a broken leg, constant aeroplane gestures, stealing tickets from children and jibbing in to 2 European finals.

The list goes on, let's not get into the Suarez debacle.

All clubs have poorly behaved sections of fans and many have managers with undesirable traits (can't agree on any of the remarks about ferguson) yet none attract the ire that united do and it is simply down to jealousy due to decades of success and anyone who says otherwise is a liar pure and simple.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Yeh I got a few mates who live in London and were born in London and have never been to Manchester who support Man united. The only reason they could support United is because Uniited are successful i.e they are glory hunters.

That is true but I am an Arsenal fan last time I was in london I was 5 years old, lived there from 2-5 and have since lived in southern California and I root for Arsenal because I like the way they play. I rooted for them starting in the early 00s when they were very successful but stuck with the club through the trophy drought that is still ongoing. But I get what you are saying that fans in England who have no association with Manchester and are United fans is a bit different than a fan outside the country that chooses to follow a certain club. I can see how those glory hunters would be irritating.

Not really, what's the difference between liking uniteds football when they were winning and arsenals?

At least if you are in London some of your mates might be united fans etc.

It's not jealousy. United are not the first successful British club.

My personal dislike from Man Ure comes from their habit of continuously buying other teams best players. As a Forest fan through the 80's I can name Birtles, Davenport, and Webb. Then there was also Keane in the 90's but by then my interest in football had started to wane so it wasn't quite so painful.

I guess others I can think of include Robson from West Brom, Bruce from Norwich, Pallister from Middlesboro and Ince from West Ham.

Even now if I look at the team there's Van Persie, Rooney, Ferdinand, Young and Moses.

Not something you can particularly criticise them for for but it won't make fans of other clubs like you much if you pinch their favourite players.

I guess once you get less involved and passionate about the game you see it for the pantomime it is but at the time.............

compelling and rich wrote:Not that it really matters but the "its never your fault" chant is more about liverpools fans actions in heysel. Basically how they cry out about hillsborough but keep very quiet about heysel. Ive also never seen any banners for this, certainly not offical ones.

Not that im making excuses for it. Its not acceptable, does make me laugh when both sets get up in arms about such songs then respond with a equally offensive song. Hypocrites the lot of them.

Also just because munich happened longer ago really doesnt affect anything, you really dont understand what munich means to united if your suggesting that you had to be alive to fully understand the hurt the club went through during this period and how it shaped us

I certainly agree with you there.

Did the families of the murdered at Heysel ever get any justice?

Silly me, we won't hear about that. After all, Liverpool are always the victims, and it's never their fault.

Football fans in general are just a bit immature really, bar a minority (before I get lynched).

People say they hate other clubs without having a reason, they're conditioned to just do it.

I was sat in the pub watching England on Friday and there was a group of younger lads sat near me, talking about how much they hated Phil Jones because he played for United, yet they couldn't put together a valid reason, other than "he's an ugly c**t"*.

I do think it comes down to jealousy at times though. United in recent years have done stuff some clubs will never do and some supporters can't seem to stomach it. Sad state of affairs really, but that's football.

* - Admittedly, he isn't the best looking of chaps, is he?!

Hibbz wrote:My personal dislike from Man Ure comes from their habit of continuously buying other teams best players. As a Forest fan through the 80's I can name Birtles, Davenport, and Webb. Then there was also Keane in the 90's but by then my interest in football had started to wane so it wasn't quite so painful.

I guess others I can think of include Robson from West Brom, Bruce from Norwich, Pallister from Middlesboro and Ince from West Ham.

Even now if I look at the team there's Van Persie, Rooney, Ferdinand, Young and Moses.

Not something you can particularly criticise them for for but it won't make fans of other clubs like you much if you pinch their favourite players.

I guess once you get less involved and passionate about the game you see it for the pantomime it is but at the time.............

Nottingham Forrest bought Keane from Cobh Ramblers.

I dislike Man u but it is not because they buy other teams players because all teams do that. Man u bought Ferdinand from Leeds who bought him from West ham etc etc

The Fourth Lion wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Sorry that's a BS excuse fourth lion, so you can't be offended by something if you weren't born at the time?

I'll start to change my views on life so that slavery, wars and anything in history doesn't offend, what complete and utter nonsense.

I'm glad you're sorry.  You should be.  And your comments are.

Your apology is accepted.


Yes, you can be offended by something that isn't within your life experience, but significantly less so than with things that actually affected you personally.  When something touches your own personal life for real, it matters more.

But it is somewhat telling when I can amuse myself at the expense of the ignorant who have almost absolutely no knowledge of what happened, save for the fact that an airplane with some footballers in it crashed once, a long time ago.  

Watching the United v Liverpool match in a pub last season, when a plea for respect was made by both managers before the game, one loudmouth started going on about Heysel.  I said to him that it was a shame about Munich, and how, at the time, Bayern Munich offered to forfeit the second leg of the tie out of respect.  "Yeah, mate.  Class that was." he replied.  

Having established that this clown didn't know the first thing that he was talking about, I then proceeded to reel him in, saying how sad it was that Matt Busby died from his injuries, but at least Duncan Edwards went on to play a hundred times for England.   "Yeah, mate.  Us United supporters have got a lot to be proud of".  And so it went on while those standing around sniggered behind their hands at the total eejit he was making of himself.  I don't know how I kept a straight face.

Faux indignation.  There's a lot of it about.

im glad you take such amusement from the deaths of 23 people, showing your true colors there

i would also suggest it wouldnt be clever to do the same in any of the pubs in manchester that i go in as you wouldn't get away with it, always few idiots for any club in pubs spouting nonsense its hardly damming to the rest of the knowledgeable fans

for someone who claims to be a ex ref, you show a complete and utter lack of compassion and understanding of the munich air disaster

Hibbz wrote:My personal dislike from Man Ure comes from their habit of continuously buying other teams best players. As a Forest fan through the 80's I can name Birtles, Davenport, and Webb. Then there was also Keane in the 90's but by then my interest in football had started to wane so it wasn't quite so painful.

I guess others I can think of include Robson from West Brom, Bruce from Norwich, Pallister from Middlesboro and Ince from West Ham.

Even now if I look at the team there's Van Persie, Rooney, Ferdinand, Young and Moses.

Not something you can particularly criticise them for for but it won't make fans of other clubs like you much if you pinch their favourite players.

I guess once you get less involved and passionate about the game you see it for the pantomime it is but at the time.............

first off young was a best player at a club   

and unless your talking about remi moses, victor went to chelsea