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Post by LuvSports! Mon 09 Dec 2013, 3:14 pm

I saw that rugby did one of these so I thought what would I like to be put into room 101 from tennis today.
Here's a few ideas.

1) Andrew Castle commentary
2) Sue Barker
3) The term "golden era"
4) Towelling off after every point
5) Umpires, who like many players, seem to disregard the 25 second time between points rule.

Over to you.

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Post by R!skysports Mon 09 Dec 2013, 4:22 pm

Holy Grails

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 09 Dec 2013, 4:22 pm

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Post by Danny_1982 Mon 09 Dec 2013, 4:22 pm

I like your 1, 4 and 5.

Also I would add the one eyed tribalism of some tennis fans who can't appreciate much outside their favourite player.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon 09 Dec 2013, 4:32 pm

Any rally over 30 shots. If no-one can hit a winner after 15 tries, call it a draw.

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 09 Dec 2013, 4:36 pm

Troublemaker JHM! Any more realistic ones?

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Post by Danny_1982 Mon 09 Dec 2013, 5:16 pm

I second the absolute nonsense of holy grails.

Or should I say, the attempt to make your players slam more important than the others for reasons associated to allegiance or a dislike of a another player.  Run 

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon 09 Dec 2013, 5:18 pm

LuvSports! wrote:Troublemaker JHM! Any more realistic ones?

Doubles!  Run   Run 

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 09 Dec 2013, 5:26 pm

Touche! Wink

Lots of running away going on. Monty Python fans here? "RUN AWAY!"

"Brave Sir Robin ran away"
"No!"
"Bravely ran away away"
"I didn't!"
"When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled" Very Happy


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Post by R!skysports Mon 09 Dec 2013, 5:29 pm

Run 

That also could be 'a fart in your general direction'

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Post by R!skysports Mon 09 Dec 2013, 5:30 pm

Fans that can not discuss players without resorting to 'my dad is bigger than your dad' style of discussion, which is best left on the play ground

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Post by Danny_1982 Mon 09 Dec 2013, 5:34 pm

Can I put tennis 101 into room 101?  Run 

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 09 Dec 2013, 5:36 pm

Jet propelled! Damn it LS now you're going off topic. Homer Simpson says  Doh 

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 09 Dec 2013, 7:12 pm

1) Any non results-based award i.e. fan favourite, humanitarian, Edberg.
2) Nike
3) Commentators declaring a shot to be "too good".
4) The Roland Garros crowd
5) Shrieking
6) Biting trophies
7) Chest bumps
8) The Olympics
9) Speeches from sponsors
10) ITF rule 24 G

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 09 Dec 2013, 7:53 pm

odd cup size

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 09 Dec 2013, 7:55 pm

LuvSports! wrote:odd cup size
And shape.

Yes, Madrid, I'm talking to you.

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Post by lydian Mon 09 Dec 2013, 8:29 pm

Doubles matches...hehe.

er...net cord rule on serves. Just 'let' it be.
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Post by LuvSports! Mon 09 Dec 2013, 8:58 pm

Tumbleweed 

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Post by kingraf Mon 09 Dec 2013, 9:04 pm

Mixed doubles - I've never ever understood the attraction.
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Post by Danny_1982 Mon 09 Dec 2013, 10:21 pm

Players stopping for a drink after 1 game of a set. Does my head in. 1 game! They've usually had a sit down and a drink 2 minutes earlier!

And the camera angle and 'through the nets' tv view at the Paris maters. That can do one too.

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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Mon 09 Dec 2013, 10:48 pm

Frenetic back side, and now also front side, grasping.

Pushy players.

Menshealth.

Trophy biting.

Wimbledon ball boys, and I mean all of them!!  furious 


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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Tue 10 Dec 2013, 8:44 am

Moderators on internet forums  Whistle 
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Post by kingraf Tue 10 Dec 2013, 9:27 am

down with The Man!
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Post by Johnyjeep Tue 10 Dec 2013, 10:48 am

What a good idea. Here's my 5.

1) Double handed backhands
2) Towelling down after each point
3) The use of the word 'if' or any hypothetical situation in any GOAT debate - because they can be fun if articulated correctly
4) Any rally over 20 shots.
5) The notion that in a capitalist society (whether you agree with that or not is not the point here!) an inferior quality product  should be rewarded (financially) equally solely on the basis of gender. Hasn't anyone spotted that that is inequality?

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Post by westisbest Tue 10 Dec 2013, 5:17 pm

Lets.

If it clips the net, but goes in, then play on.

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Post by westisbest Tue 10 Dec 2013, 5:19 pm

Having to win the 5th set by 2 games.

if its 6 all in final set, just play tie break.

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Post by lydian Tue 10 Dec 2013, 9:08 pm

Absolutely not.
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Post by socal1976 Wed 11 Dec 2013, 4:11 am

1) The cultish worship of the swiss Swoosh wearer
2) any big server who moves like a pregnant sow
3) the fitness epidemic in tennis
4) Julius' marx's comedy it will clear the room faster than a man yelling "he has a bomb" in an airport
5) Rafa's butt picking

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Post by HM Murdock Wed 11 Dec 2013, 8:49 am

westisbest wrote:Having to win the 5th set by 2 games.

if its 6 all in final set, just play tie break.
I like this idea!

I'm happy to keep the "win by 2" rule for the final.

But I hate the fact that if you have a semi that goes long, the final tends to be worse because one of the players is spent.

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Post by LuvSports! Wed 11 Dec 2013, 10:24 am

So the 5 sets make less difference than the extra few games at the end of the match?

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Post by R!skysports Wed 11 Dec 2013, 12:19 pm

Sue barker
Sue Barker interviewing people after a match on court
Sue Barker thinking herself so funny and laughing at her own jokes
Sue Barker interviewing through her 'one sided coloured glasses'
Sue Barker in a question of Sport
Sue Barker

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Post by Haddie-nuff Wed 11 Dec 2013, 12:43 pm

socal1976 wrote:1) The cultish worship of the swiss Swoosh wearer
2) any big server who moves like a pregnant sow
3) the fitness epidemic in tennis
4) Julius' marx's comedy it will clear the room faster than a man yelling "he has a bomb" in an airport
5) Rafa's butt picking

Tend to agree but add
6) Novak´s chest thumping , shirt ripping and childish comedy.

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Post by HM Murdock Wed 11 Dec 2013, 1:47 pm

LuvSports! wrote:So the 5 sets make less difference than the extra few games at the end of the match?
Not even only a case of 5 sets.

Do you think Federer was not hindered in the Olympic final by going 19-17 in the third in his SF?

And "an extra few games" isn't a small factor when a whole set is only 12 games at most.

Cilic v Querrey 17-15 at W12, Mathieu v Isner 18-16 at RG12... these guys effectively played 8 sets. And I've not even mentioned Isner v Mahut!

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Post by R!skysports Wed 11 Dec 2013, 2:31 pm

HM Murdoch wrote:
LuvSports! wrote:So the 5 sets make less difference than the extra few games at the end of the match?
Not even only a case of 5 sets.

Do you think Federer was not hindered in the Olympic final by going 19-17 in the third in his SF?

And "an extra few games" isn't a small factor when a whole set is only 12 games at most.

Cilic v Querrey 17-15 at W12, Mathieu v Isner 18-16 at RG12... these guys effectively played 8 sets. And I've not even mentioned Isner v Mahut!

Then they shoudd win it quicker. Sorry, if you are not good enough to win a match without going to 17-15 or 100 vs 102 - then it is your tough luck (IMO)

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Post by HM Murdock Wed 11 Dec 2013, 3:37 pm

Riskysports wrote:Then they shoudd win it quicker. Sorry, if you are not good enough to win a match without going to 17-15 or 100 vs 102 - then it is your tough luck (IMO)

Yes, and tough luck to anyone scheduled to play afterwards and tough luck to the crowd who are stuck watching an endless match.

Also, by your logic, why have tie breaks in any set? If you're not good enough to break your opponents serve in 6 attempts, tough luck, keep going until you do.

I just don't get the internal logic of winning by 2 only on a final set. The reasoning seems to be that you can't decide a match on a tie break. But if the winner of a match has won a tie break in sets 1, 2, 3 or 4, then the match has already been decided by tie break!

Tie breaks as a concept are either good enough for all sets or they're not good enough for any.

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Post by westisbest Wed 11 Dec 2013, 4:08 pm

Riskysports wrote:Sue barker
Sue Barker interviewing people after a match on court
Sue Barker thinking herself so funny and laughing at her own jokes
Sue Barker interviewing through her 'one sided coloured glasses'
Sue Barker in a question of Sport
Sue Barker
Laugh

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Post by socal1976 Wed 11 Dec 2013, 6:14 pm

Funny, how long matches and gruelling points are loved by almost all of the fans who give standing O's for the performance but the purists on here deem them to be a negative. This must be another one of the evils in the world of tennis like tennis players who are too fit and should be fatter like Dave Nalbandian therefore easier for Roger to beat.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Thu 12 Dec 2013, 12:43 am

I love 100 shot rallies - doesn't everyone? The longer the better - can you imagine what a crowd pleaser a 200 shot rally would be?

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Post by newballs Fri 13 Dec 2013, 3:30 pm

Has no-one mentioned Leif Shiraz yet?

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Post by hawkeye Fri 13 Dec 2013, 3:51 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:I love 100 shot rallies - doesn't everyone? The longer the better - can you imagine what a crowd pleaser a 200 shot rally would be?

Here is a little Christmas present for you then  Very Happy I haven't watched it myself and I believe even those present started checking e-mails and playing angry birds or that fruit chopping game after the first 4 shots... but rumor is that there were well over 100 "shots".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVovELJiBIs

Yes please newballs put Leif in there along with his chum Petchy.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri 13 Dec 2013, 3:57 pm

hawkeye wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:I love 100 shot rallies - doesn't everyone? The longer the better - can you imagine what a crowd pleaser a 200 shot rally would be?

Here is a little Christmas present for you then  Very Happy I haven't watched it myself and I believe even those present started checking e-mails and playing angry birds or that fruit chopping game after the first 4 shots... but rumor is that there were well over 100 "shots".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVovELJiBIs

Yes please newballs put Leif in there along with his chum Petchy.

That's a terminally boring point - you don't want to watch it HE. No real attacking shots and it ended on an unforced error. Awful stuff.

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Post by hawkeye Fri 13 Dec 2013, 4:18 pm

^ Honestly some people are so ungrateful! OK I'm feeling generous so I will let you loan this one instead. It's just a loan though as I want it back. I may watch this one again myself  Smile 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjNghcCNPU

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Post by kingraf Fri 13 Dec 2013, 4:53 pm

a while back a 606 poster said this was what rallying was all about, and was brilliant stuff.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZZMuXBr_Hk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DaZZMuXBr_Hk

I thought he joking, but the luddites might appreciate this as the pinnacle of rallying, much like the Ford T-model is the greatest mechanical engineering achievement in history
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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri 13 Dec 2013, 5:01 pm

hawkeye wrote:^ Honestly some people are so ungrateful! OK I'm feeling generous so I will let you loan this one instead. It's just a loan though as I want it back. I may watch this one again myself  Smile 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjNghcCNPU

It's not very exciting though is it - most shots are just about getting in play - did either of them really go for a winner at any point. Not the sort of thing I enjoy, that's all. At least 45 of those 54 shots were run of the mill stuff. If it had been a 20 shot rally with 10 great shots, then fair enough, but the ratio of ordinary-to-good makes it a pretty dull spectacle overall.

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Post by LuvSports! Fri 13 Dec 2013, 5:45 pm

this point for me had more attempts to end the rally sooner by going for a winner. (Murray vs djoko aus '11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bosnckZ08Y )
Still not my cup of tea but imo better than those two previous ones.



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Post by kingraf Fri 13 Dec 2013, 5:50 pm

Yes... and the T-model is the epitome of engineering
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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri 13 Dec 2013, 6:02 pm

KR, I assume you like 54-shot rallies? I can only apologise for being such a dinosaur.

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Post by kingraf Fri 13 Dec 2013, 6:38 pm

I don't particularly like it... I like being entertained. Watching Tsonga serve lights out can be as exciting as seeing a Nadal scramble. In fact givent th! choice, Id pick the former... I just think modern rallying is unfairly criticized... Much like many criticize the Ford Mustang while paying millions for a T-model....
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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri 13 Dec 2013, 7:16 pm

Not so much modern rallies as long rallies - that Borg-Vilas link above is just as bad.
In fact, I pretty much stopped watching clay court tennis for several years (except Henman or Agassi matches) until Rafa came along - his game seemed perfectly suited to making clay court tennis watchable again.

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Post by JubbaIsle Fri 13 Dec 2013, 9:03 pm

Room 101 contenders....

1/ anyone over the age of 31
2/ anyone whose name begins with Roger or Victor
3/ Definitely net lets on serve
4/ anyone grunting or shrieking over 90db's (Sharapova has had her screams recorded at up to 105 dB.)
5/ towel dabbing instead of proper wiping (yes andy, I mean you!)
6/ shirt ripping
7/ stupid court colours
8/ tram lines omitted from court design
9/ pernickety line judges, esp foot faulters
10/ redundant umpires who've forgotten rule book of fair play
11/ anyone with Federer or Hanescu as a surname
12/ anyone who beats Murray in a final

.....and last but not least, the guy who lost Andrew Castles muzzle and the techie who doesnt understand the mute button when Andrew Castle talks during points/rallies.

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