So Pacquiao is now the WBC 147lb #1 contender

Lets see if this helps force a fight between 'the two' after an inevitable voluntary defence by Mayweather, next.

I doubt Mayweather will face him.

Mayweather will vacate the title and probably face Bradley to get the WBO title.

The WBC will put 0% of pressure on Floyd to fight him.

Largely irrelevant unless Pacquiao wants to settle for a fraction of the prize money. Mayweather wants Khan next.

I'd imagine Khan, Bradley then danny garcia first. By which time pacquiao will probably have retired

He'll never retire. Him and Marquez will keep rematching until the sun goes super nova.

You could be right JBW. On the under card for eternity they could have mosley, rjj and holyfield

Its irrelevant anyway. How can Manny jump ahead of the WBC rankings because he beat a LWW in Brandon Rios,who frankly, isn't very good.

If Price beats Golota, does he become the number one in the WBC ahead of Fury, Chisora, Pulev, Stiverne and Arreola? Nope.

cowpat from the WBC as per feckin normal

Interesting! Would this not guarantee mayweather 75% of the fight though? As usually it goes to bids and champion gets 75% does he not?

Pacquiao would want far more than 25%, this has in effect made the fight no more likely to happen.

Yeah I know he would want more but he's only entitled to 25% is he not?

Interesting debate though. Pac-Rios in China could have been the highest grossing fight ever, but due to what I can only assume was a lack of foresight, or possibly fear of failure, Arum decided against making it PPV in China. The upshot of this is that he made very little money there (relatively, still more than most of us will ever see), while sacrificing at least 40% of his total American sales. So now Pac-Rios has made $30m in the states and maybe $3m in the . Floyd-Canelo cleared $150m in the States alone... Arum has lost a lot by way of bargaining strength.

Only potential saving grace would be the fights Chinese TV figures, but I don't think they'll come out (although one has to think their reasonable, given the fact that a) Pac made $30m in the fight, & b) Shiming was on the card). I think the lack of success Bradley-Marquez experienced might have scared Arum into make a near fatal error in judgment in the Pac-May negotiations.... That said, Pac just made $30m fighting a bum halfway across the world, I can see why he isn't taking a cut for Mayweather.

Sun's not massive enough to go supernova.

When did Rios get relegated to bum status? Hes not elite level, but I think thats a fairly harsh assessment kingraf.

joeyjojo618 wrote:Sun's not massive enough to go supernova.

He's Chinese, that's about all they need.

They have so few sporting stars that even the average get made into heros - look at that hurdler from a few years back. Sporting giant just because he was there first ever T&F medal winner.

That said, Pac just made $30m fighting a bum halfway across the world, I can see why he isn't taking a cut for Mayweather..

25% of whatever the revenue is for fighting Mayweather will most likely be a lot more than $30m so not really a pay cut.

Mayweather made $41m fighting Canelo... Assuming Pacquiao-Mayweather does 3 million PPV (which is generous at this stage of the play), That would probably give Floyd about $60m... 25% of that is $20m... ($80m purse)... Saying 25% of the purse is more than $30m, is suggesting Floyd could make at least $90m fighting Manny... is that even realistic?

Mayweather and Arum hate each other and that would be the main stumbling block to this fight ever happening. Style wise it's as high risk a fight for Floyd that is out there (assuming he won't go to 160) and probably not one he's too keen on taking, even at this stage.

If it does happen then Floyd wins a comfortable UD, but gets hit more than he ever has been.

kingraf wrote:Mayweather made $41m fighting Canelo... Assuming Pacquiao-Mayweather does 3 million PPV (which is generous at this stage of the play), That would probably give Floyd about $60m... 25% of that is $20m... ($80m purse)... Saying 25% of the purse is more than $30m, is suggesting Floyd could make at least $90m fighting Manny... is that even realistic?

Sorry, I was just using the $150m figure you mentioned in your post I quoted. IIRC Floyd was getting a guaranteed $250m for 6 fights? Then PPV cut etc on top of that. It's not unrealstic to expect Manny to get more than $30m for fighting Floyd.

Floyd's guarantee was $200m for six fights, so I assume the #41m is PPV inclusive, as he made $32m for Guerrero. When I said Canelo-May cleared $150m, that was gross. Before GBP, tax, and Show's cuts are taken into account.

it's not unrealistic to say Manny could make more than $30m fighting Floyd, but I don't think that happens while fighting for 25%

Floyd made ppv money on top of the 41.5 from Canelo

Back in '09, when the fight should have happened, it was being mooted as the first $100m fight, with a 50:50 split.

Not sure why it'd be any bigger now given how much interest has waned and the losses Pac is now coming off (i.e. 'damaged goods' factor) therefore hard to see him taking more than $25m on a 25% basis.

How much did he make, do you have a figure? I've only seen a $40m cheque shown... So I don't know how accurate that is.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/09/19/floyd-mayweather-will-earn-more-than-80-million-for-record-breaking-fight/

Could be up to 80million

I also thought PAC only made 18m against rios but it's tax free

TopHat24/7 wrote:
He's Chinese, that's about all they need.

Who is Chinese?

TopHat24/7 wrote:
They have so few sporting stars that even the average get made into heros

Yeah, they really bombed at the last two olympics! Bunch of losers!

smashingstormcrow wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:
He's Chinese, that's about all they need.

Who is Chinese?

TopHat24/7 wrote:
They have so few sporting stars that even the average get made into heros

Yeah, they really bombed at the last two olympics! Bunch of losers!

Erm, Zou. Are you really struggling that much to keep up?

And re the Olympics, they have a billion more people to pick from than any other nation and their success, like a lot of 'Eastern bloc' countries, is generally restricted to activities where they can drug or drill success into their athletes.

They never do squat in track & field and outside of the Olympics I can't think of one global sports star they've produced in decades other than Yao Ming in basketball.

Therefore when a successful amateur and Olympic gold medallist like Zou turns pro it's done to massive fanfare, he's a national hero before he's even done anything and was 'meant' to be getting tens of millions of viewers when fighting out there.

He got 300m viewers in his first fight he will smash all ppv records at some point

both guys should be judged as other boxers are, neither are bigger than the sport. if mayweather vacates hes a ducker, if pacman chooses not to enter negotiations hes a ducker

Diamond in the rough wrote:He got 300m viewers in his first fight he will smash all ppv records at some point

Do PPV buys count if they're cheap?

ODLH-PBF is still the record, right? And those 2m+ were over $50 each.

Well if China charged $5-10 for domestic viewers, it's not unreasonable to think they'd break Floyd & Oscar's record.

He will smash the record if they made the last manny fight ppv he would have so much bargaining power as manny isn't liked as much as you would think over there but zou is they could've realistically got 10m ppv buys

Think you'd arguably need to compare PPV revenue for a fair comparison.

He has a good shot though, providing he's keeps on a decent track.

It'll only be from the Chinese though, can't see anyone else having much interest in him (see earlier points). He was an exceptional amateur but he's looked unexciting as a pro and doesn't look like he'll be bringing much power to the table to make things interesting. Chuck in his age and he hasn't much time to do something special.

In these regards he pales in comparison to say, Lomachenko, as a nearest equivalent/comparable.

An interesting point is that as an amateur former Quigg opponent Salinas comfortably beat Zhou, that's what the commentators said anyway.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:An interesting point is that as an amateur former Quigg opponent Salinas comfortably beat Zhou, that's what the commentators said anyway.

Did it in an event called the 'Cuban Olympics' apparently, though Zou was moving up in weight for it.

That said Zou's amateur career is glittering whereas Salinas' success is de minimus.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Are you really struggling that much to keep up?

You replied to "Sun's not massive enough to go supernova" with "He's Chinese, that's about all they need". Someone seems to be struggling a little bit!

smashingstormcrow wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Are you really struggling that much to keep up?

You replied to "Sun's not massive enough to go supernova" with "He's Chinese, that's about all they need". Someone seems to be struggling a little bit!

The mis-quote/typo wasn't mine then, was it? It was perfectly clear who we were all talking about.

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/news/2013/12/09/wbc-mayweather-in-voluntary-phase-pacquiao-1-ranking-irrelevant.html#1-ranking-irrelevant&Itemid=682

It's for the September fight WBC are trying to make it

Ive got no idea what that response meant either stormcrow. Ive probably just embarrassed myself.

Im more interested in Kingys argument that Rios is now a bum. Was he always a bum or just after getting a shellacking from Pacman?

He was always a bum. Got his ears boxed off by Abril and gifted a win. Beat Alvarado and lost to alvarado.

should already have 3 losses on his record, never beaten a top top fighter in his weight class and was purposely picked to make Manny look great.....Arum and his advisors have already confirmed that.

So is everyone who isn't world level a 'bum'?

Jamie Moore is a bum, Ryan Rhodes, Paul smith? All good domestic fighters are bums? Really?

Morons.

It's my pet hate the use of the word bum and Rios isn't the most technical of fighters but he's still held his own at world level. If getting a beating from Pacquiao makes you a bum then all these greats have beaten a hell of a lot of bums.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

smashingstormcrow wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Are you really struggling that much to keep up?

You replied to "Sun's not massive enough to go supernova" with "He's Chinese, that's about all they need". Someone seems to be struggling a little bit!

The mis-quote/typo wasn't mine then, was it? It was perfectly clear who we were all talking about.

You've had a beast here TopHat to be honest with you.

The comment about the sun not being massive enough was a reply to JBW above saying Pac and Marquez would keep rematching until the sun went supernova.

Nobody was talking about Zhou.

rob-glos wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

smashingstormcrow wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Are you really struggling that much to keep up?

You replied to "Sun's not massive enough to go supernova" with "He's Chinese, that's about all they need". Someone seems to be struggling a little bit!

The mis-quote/typo wasn't mine then, was it? It was perfectly clear who we were all talking about.

You've had a beast here TopHat to be honest with you.

The comment about the sun not being massive enough was a reply to JBW above saying Pac and Marquez would keep rematching until the sun went supernova.

Nobody was talking about Zhou.

Goddammit - why don't people use the quote functions FFS!!!

I'd seen Kingy's comments about viewing figures from the Chinese and ran with it from there.

Grrr......

Sorry about that....