Arise, Sir Warren and mind your head.

First topic message reminder :

So the glass ceiling of Welsh rugby has been set by Roger Lewis.

6 Nations dominance is all we can expect from our team. Gone is the principle that we can beat anyone on our day but never do, to be replaced with the proviso that 'we punch massively above our weight'. How we revel in being the underdog, how that psyche will hold us back.

I recently called for debate over Gatland's future and I stand by my position. That is why I am frankly staggered and disappointed by the hubristic announcement that he is now nailed on until 2019 with yet another option to take a holiday from his job and pursue the Lions.

I was skeptical about the first sabbatical, feeling it sent the wrong message about his commitment to Wales. One can only guess at the impact on Wales of his Lions venture but had Howley not saved the day it would have been clear that Gatland's break was a mistake. It is also abundantly clear the man's personal agenda, with the chummy complicity of Lewis, is being put above that of Welsh success; one interpretation is that if he does well for Wales, the steeping stone, then the real prize will naturally follow. Is Welsh rugby his vehicle to achieve personal ambitions?

To those who will rabidly defend him, I respect WG immensely for what he has achieved with Wales in the 6 Nations and the Lions. It is unprecedented in NH rugby since SCW. But I respect Welsh rugby much more and I think WG has failed repeatedly to capitalize on domestic success or indeed to even show he is capable of challenging the Big 3. 'Punching above our weight' is a great way of bracketing potential success in the future, by juxtaposing past success with the prospect of maintaining it in future what he is saying is, that will be my excuse when we don't kick on, that strength in depth held us back, we had too few players but didn't i do well with that tiny group. But he does not punch above his weight. He has mastered his weight class but jabs and misses time and again at the big boys.

Gatland's failure in World rugby is well documented, obvious and cannot be denied. No wonder he has done a Mr President on his NZ ambitions, the NZRFU would choke on their kiwis if he applied for the job now (one hopes they do this in the UK as the NZ Health service is over run with sheep related illnesses currently)

To give him carte blanche at this point - a 6 year commitment - is to give tacit approval to his Autumn record and confirms the principle that as long as the 6 Nations is in order, a Wales coach is untouchable.

So, Sir Warren, when you pick up your gong in January, don't punch above your weight and smash the glass ceiling.

Knowsit17 wrote:

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:It might make a nice change to actually address the objections in themselves rather than try and single out those making them. If you can that is.

All people do on here is treat each other like sheet

Stop being so over sensitive

It's nothing worse than the vitriol directed at the coach of a winning Lions tour!

I have documented my objections to his 6 year contract extension and personally do not wish him to be a Lions coach while he is still Wales coach, but unlike some i can be objective and i applaud his magnificent achievement as Lions coach. It is a shame some so called rugby fans can't acknowledge that and have to take shots because a sacred cow was slaughtered.

Then why prolong it? Why not just leave it and let it die quietly rather than revive the tension by bringing it up so often?

Furthermore, how does the fact that it's no worse justify it? If I went out with a gun and started randomly shooting people in the street you could argue it's no worse than what Anders Breivik did, that wouldn't make it right!

In any case, I have heard few if any Irish supporters still harping on about the BOD dropping after all these months. Some might have initially but for the most part they seem to have gotten over it. I would advise you to follow suit if you want to generate discussion that doesn't inevitably get drawn into a slanging match. Just my opinion.

Why prolong it…..what like you just did?

This is a discussion forum, so when comments are made you dispute you challenge them, rather as you have done.

And while we are giving out friendly advice, your reference to shooting people in the street and Breivik is frankly disgusting and clearly drawing such parallels has no place on this forum. Grow up.

tatterd wrote:I personally think he has taken us as far as he can with his limited gameplan. Seems to me he has changed in his attitude a fair bit since the early days with Wales. Back then I recall him being painfully honest in post match interviews after mediocre performances, saying things like - "that was unacceptable, we were not good enough, in training I'm going to break a few of these boys so we improve etc.........Nowadays after a crap performance (and I'm thinking particularly of the last game v Aus), he seems to be competely unable to admit that performances are unacceptable, preferring to blame the referee or say we were unlucky etc. I would really prefer him to admit that we have a shedload of work to do before we can hope to compete with a top 3 team consistently and then get on with it in training. Sorting out the fecking set piece and teaching Mike Phillips to box kick for a start. Or dropping him obviously

all true tattered.

One wonders what the WRU board must have set as expectations for him. On the principle you give the people what they want then he has definitely given the Welsh public results, but i think he is not capable of taking us further. Certainly not with the same approach. The stats don't lie.

tatterd wrote:I personally think he has taken us as far as he can with his limited gameplan. Seems to me he has changed in his attitude a fair bit since the early days with Wales. Back then I recall him being painfully honest in post match interviews after mediocre performances, saying things like - "that was unacceptable, we were not good enough, in training I'm going to break a few of these boys so we improve etc.........Nowadays after a crap performance (and I'm thinking particularly of the last game v Aus), he seems to be competely unable to admit that performances are unacceptable, preferring to blame the referee or say we were unlucky etc. I would really prefer him to admit that we have a shedload of work to do before we can hope to compete with a top 3 team consistently and then get on with it in training. Sorting out the fecking set piece and teaching Mike Phillips to box kick for a start. Or dropping him obviously

+1

I remember our first loss under Gatland, a one-sided defeat to SA. At the time he said he was embarrassed by the manner of the defeat and absolutely ripped into the performance with good reason.

He also initially acquired a reputation as a firm man-manager, as someone who let the players have it if any aspect of their game wasn't up to scratch. This was music to the ears compared to the perceived wishy washy approach of predecessor Gareth Jenkins but this aspect of Gatland's character seems to have largely faded since and nowadays he is far too accepting of defeats than I am comfortable with.

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:It might make a nice change to actually address the objections in themselves rather than try and single out those making them. If you can that is.

All people do on here is treat each other like sheet

Stop being so over sensitive

It's nothing worse than the vitriol directed at the coach of a winning Lions tour!

I have documented my objections to his 6 year contract extension and personally do not wish him to be a Lions coach while he is still Wales coach, but unlike some i can be objective and i applaud his magnificent achievement as Lions coach. It is a shame some so called rugby fans can't acknowledge that and have to take shots because a sacred cow was slaughtered.

Then why prolong it? Why not just leave it and let it die quietly rather than revive the tension by bringing it up so often?

Furthermore, how does the fact that it's no worse justify it? If I went out with a gun and started randomly shooting people in the street you could argue it's no worse than what Anders Breivik did, that wouldn't make it right!

In any case, I have heard few if any Irish supporters still harping on about the BOD dropping after all these months. Some might have initially but for the most part they seem to have gotten over it. I would advise you to follow suit if you want to generate discussion that doesn't inevitably get drawn into a slanging match. Just my opinion.

Why prolong it…..what like you just did?

This is a discussion forum, so when comments are made you dispute you challenge them, rather as you have done.

And while we are giving out friendly advice, your reference to shooting people in the street and Breivik is frankly disgusting and clearly drawing such parallels has no place on this forum. Grow up.

And you call me oversensitive while completely ignoring the point of the comparison   

Maybe I try too hard to reason with people who don't know what reason is #whybother

Knowsit17 wrote:

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:It might make a nice change to actually address the objections in themselves rather than try and single out those making them. If you can that is.

All people do on here is treat each other like sheet

Stop being so over sensitive

It's nothing worse than the vitriol directed at the coach of a winning Lions tour!

I have documented my objections to his 6 year contract extension and personally do not wish him to be a Lions coach while he is still Wales coach, but unlike some i can be objective and i applaud his magnificent achievement as Lions coach. It is a shame some so called rugby fans can't acknowledge that and have to take shots because a sacred cow was slaughtered.

Then why prolong it? Why not just leave it and let it die quietly rather than revive the tension by bringing it up so often?

Furthermore, how does the fact that it's no worse justify it? If I went out with a gun and started randomly shooting people in the street you could argue it's no worse than what Anders Breivik did, that wouldn't make it right!

In any case, I have heard few if any Irish supporters still harping on about the BOD dropping after all these months. Some might have initially but for the most part they seem to have gotten over it. I would advise you to follow suit if you want to generate discussion that doesn't inevitably get drawn into a slanging match. Just my opinion.

Why prolong it…..what like you just did?

This is a discussion forum, so when comments are made you dispute you challenge them, rather as you have done.

And while we are giving out friendly advice, your reference to shooting people in the street and Breivik is frankly disgusting and clearly drawing such parallels has no place on this forum. Grow up.

And you call me oversensitive while completely ignoring the point of the comparison   

Maybe I try too hard to reason with people who don't know what reason is #whybother

As i said, grow up. You cannot be that naive to expect to be able to use Breivik and not get a reaction…if to suggest being called on that is indicative of oversensitivity, then I for one am over sensitive as i would call you on that every time.
If not naive you must just be intensely stupid, using Brevik, a mass murdering extremist, as any sort of comparative analogy on a rugby forum is frankly deranged and does not deserve to be acknowledged as a comparison.
If I was you, I would apologize but of course you won't do that and will continue to bang on about reason while using one of the greatest tragedies of the 21st century as a means to express yourself. Speaks for itself really.

Crack on, i will steer well clear of you in future as your values are obviously those of an outlier.

Knowsit17 wrote:

tatterd wrote:I personally think he has taken us as far as he can with his limited gameplan. Seems to me he has changed in his attitude a fair bit since the early days with Wales. Back then I recall him being painfully honest in post match interviews after mediocre performances, saying things like - "that was unacceptable, we were not good enough, in training I'm going to break a few of these boys so we improve etc.........Nowadays after a crap performance (and I'm thinking particularly of the last game v Aus), he seems to be competely unable to admit that performances are unacceptable, preferring to blame the referee or say we were unlucky etc. I would really prefer him to admit that we have a shedload of work to do before we can hope to compete with a top 3 team consistently and then get on with it in training. Sorting out the fecking set piece and teaching Mike Phillips to box kick for a start. Or dropping him obviously

+1

I remember our first loss under Gatland, a one-sided defeat to SA. At the time he said he was embarrassed by the manner of the defeat and absolutely ripped into the performance with good reason.

He also initially acquired a reputation as a firm man-manager, as someone who let the players have it if any aspect of their game wasn't up to scratch. This was music to the ears compared to the perceived wishy washy approach of predecessor Gareth Jenkins but this aspect of Gatland's character seems to have largely faded since and nowadays he is far too accepting of defeats than I am comfortable with.

Exactly knowsit - you've hit the nail on the head there. That early game against SA must be the one I was thinking of. Far too accepting of defeats nowadays when he never used to be. Its as if he is resting on his laurels with the recent 6N success and he now comes out with pre-arranged tripe in the post match interviews, when he used to be rugby's equivalent of Ian Holloway and told it like it was!

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:He made a shambles of the Lions though, turning a fairly routine exercise into a skin of the pants 2-1 victory by being more focused on his own ego than the rugby. Thankfully Halfpenny, Corbiesero and Sexton got him over the line and saved his bacon.

Yes he really did make hard work of the Lions tour against a hopeless Australia team.

Tell me, when precisely did the Wallabies become useless? Was it in October 2012 when they drew with the All Blacks? Or a month later when they won at Twickenham? A month later again when they won in Cardiff? I'm trying to pinpoint the results that made you think they were just going to roll over for the Lions.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:The players deserve the credit for the Lions victory not Gatland imo. Just like Trap doesn't deserve any credit for getting Ireland to the Euro's

Yes but any wining team are going to get praised as well as the coaches and backroom staff. It's nice Gatland and his backroom team have got the recognition they deserve. Yes some people take it out of context and maybe signal out certain people but some people are so petty (GunsGerms  ) that they can't admit to the success that Gatland was a big part off.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:He made a shambles of the Lions though, turning a fairly routine exercise into a skin of the pants 2-1 victory by being more focused on his own ego than the rugby. Thankfully Halfpenny, Corbiesero and Sexton got him over the line and saved his bacon.

Yes he really did make hard work of the Lions tour against a hopeless Australia team.

Tell me, when precisely did the Wallabies become useless? Was it in October 2012 when they drew with the All Blacks? Or a month later when they won at Twickenham? A month later again when they won in Cardiff? I'm trying to pinpoint the results that made you think they were just going to roll over for the Lions.

Or were they useless when they destroyed Irelend recently GunsGerms?

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:He made a shambles of the Lions though, turning a fairly routine exercise into a skin of the pants 2-1 victory by being more focused on his own ego than the rugby. Thankfully Halfpenny, Corbiesero and Sexton got him over the line and saved his bacon.

Yes he really did make hard work of the Lions tour against a hopeless Australia team.

Tell me, when precisely did the Wallabies become useless? Was it in October 2012 when they drew with the All Blacks? Or a month later when they won at Twickenham? A month later again when they won in Cardiff? I'm trying to pinpoint the results that made you think they were just going to roll over for the Lions.

Or last month when they destroyed the Irish. No offence, what was it 40 points

oops

tatterd wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:He made a shambles of the Lions though, turning a fairly routine exercise into a skin of the pants 2-1 victory by being more focused on his own ego than the rugby. Thankfully Halfpenny, Corbiesero and Sexton got him over the line and saved his bacon.

Yes he really did make hard work of the Lions tour against a hopeless Australia team.

Tell me, when precisely did the Wallabies become useless? Was it in October 2012 when they drew with the All Blacks? Or a month later when they won at Twickenham? A month later again when they won in Cardiff? I'm trying to pinpoint the results that made you think they were just going to roll over for the Lions.

Or were they useless when they destroyed Irelend recently GunsGerms?

Beat me to it

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:It might make a nice change to actually address the objections in themselves rather than try and single out those making them. If you can that is.

All people do on here is treat each other like sheet

Stop being so over sensitive

It's nothing worse than the vitriol directed at the coach of a winning Lions tour!

I have documented my objections to his 6 year contract extension and personally do not wish him to be a Lions coach while he is still Wales coach, but unlike some i can be objective and i applaud his magnificent achievement as Lions coach. It is a shame some so called rugby fans can't acknowledge that and have to take shots because a sacred cow was slaughtered.

Then why prolong it? Why not just leave it and let it die quietly rather than revive the tension by bringing it up so often?

Furthermore, how does the fact that it's no worse justify it? If I went out with a gun and started randomly shooting people in the street you could argue it's no worse than what Anders Breivik did, that wouldn't make it right!

In any case, I have heard few if any Irish supporters still harping on about the BOD dropping after all these months. Some might have initially but for the most part they seem to have gotten over it. I would advise you to follow suit if you want to generate discussion that doesn't inevitably get drawn into a slanging match. Just my opinion.

Why prolong it…..what like you just did?

This is a discussion forum, so when comments are made you dispute you challenge them, rather as you have done.

And while we are giving out friendly advice, your reference to shooting people in the street and Breivik is frankly disgusting and clearly drawing such parallels has no place on this forum. Grow up.

And you call me oversensitive while completely ignoring the point of the comparison   

Maybe I try too hard to reason with people who don't know what reason is #whybother

As i said, grow up. You cannot be that naive to expect to be able to use Breivik and not get a reaction…if to suggest being called on that is indicative of oversensitivity, then I for one am over sensitive as i would call you on that every time.
If not naive you must just be intensely stupid, using Brevik, a mass murdering extremist, as any sort of comparative analogy on a rugby forum is frankly deranged and does not deserve to be acknowledged as a comparison.
If I was you, I would apologize but of course you won't do that and will continue to bang on about reason while using one of the greatest tragedies of the 21st century as a means to express yourself. Speaks for itself really.

Crack on, i will steer well clear of you in future as your values are obviously those of an outlier.

You are just choosing to feel insulted as you feel it'll strengthen your position. If you read back carefully you will see I use the Breivik example precisely to express why anything of the sort would not be ok. And it completely obliterates your 'It's no worse than...' argument as you have conveniently chosen not to notice. It's the same logic, whether you like it or not.

Steer away, not just from me but preferably from the forum altogether   

Knowsit17 wrote:

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:

Scratch wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:It might make a nice change to actually address the objections in themselves rather than try and single out those making them. If you can that is.

All people do on here is treat each other like sheet

Stop being so over sensitive

It's nothing worse than the vitriol directed at the coach of a winning Lions tour!

I have documented my objections to his 6 year contract extension and personally do not wish him to be a Lions coach while he is still Wales coach, but unlike some i can be objective and i applaud his magnificent achievement as Lions coach. It is a shame some so called rugby fans can't acknowledge that and have to take shots because a sacred cow was slaughtered.

Then why prolong it? Why not just leave it and let it die quietly rather than revive the tension by bringing it up so often?

Furthermore, how does the fact that it's no worse justify it? If I went out with a gun and started randomly shooting people in the street you could argue it's no worse than what Anders Breivik did, that wouldn't make it right!

In any case, I have heard few if any Irish supporters still harping on about the BOD dropping after all these months. Some might have initially but for the most part they seem to have gotten over it. I would advise you to follow suit if you want to generate discussion that doesn't inevitably get drawn into a slanging match. Just my opinion.

Why prolong it…..what like you just did?

This is a discussion forum, so when comments are made you dispute you challenge them, rather as you have done.

And while we are giving out friendly advice, your reference to shooting people in the street and Breivik is frankly disgusting and clearly drawing such parallels has no place on this forum. Grow up.

And you call me oversensitive while completely ignoring the point of the comparison   

Maybe I try too hard to reason with people who don't know what reason is #whybother

As i said, grow up. You cannot be that naive to expect to be able to use Breivik and not get a reaction…if to suggest being called on that is indicative of oversensitivity, then I for one am over sensitive as i would call you on that every time.
If not naive you must just be intensely stupid, using Brevik, a mass murdering extremist, as any sort of comparative analogy on a rugby forum is frankly deranged and does not deserve to be acknowledged as a comparison.
If I was you, I would apologize but of course you won't do that and will continue to bang on about reason while using one of the greatest tragedies of the 21st century as a means to express yourself. Speaks for itself really.

Crack on, i will steer well clear of you in future as your values are obviously those of an outlier.

You are just choosing to feel insulted as you feel it'll strengthen your position. If you read back carefully you will see I use the Breivik example precisely to express why anything of the sort would not be ok. And it completely obliterates your 'It's no worse than...' argument as you have conveniently chosen not to notice. It's the same logic, whether you like it or not.

Steer away, not just from me but preferably from the forum altogether   

You didn't say anything wrong really Knowsit. Don't worry

It was a comparison Scratch, he didn't mean no harm by it.   

Knowsit   

I haven't noted you making an argument and certainly there is no logic in comparing a rugby forum with a mass murderer. One suspects you are too inexperienced to grasp that. To suggest again that there is just proves what a creep you are. I knew you wouldn't apologize and the only thing that is obliterated is your credibility.

Classless, immature and ignorant.

We're done here.

I thought you'd left already   

If you're convinced there is no logic to it then you should have no problem explaining to me specifically why there isn't

did turnip-head get knighted? that would be a travesty and no mistake.

unless the former nation of NZ want back in?

Scratch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:I think Gats is a good coach and Wales have done well to nail him down. His boneheaded, uncompromising approach is perfect for the Welsh psyche, plus Shaun Edwards brings the brains to the operation.

He made a shambles of the Lions though, turning a fairly routine exercise into a skin of the pants 2-1 victory by being more focused on his own ego than the rugby. Thankfully Halfpenny, Corbiesero and Sexton got him over the line and saved his bacon.

Yes he really did make hard work of the Lions tour against a hopeless Australia team. Hopefully he wont be the next Lions coach. Shouldnt ever be a national coach anyway for obvious reasons.

Giving any coach a six year ticket is a daft idea for lots of reasons even if he has been a great sucess for Wales. Just shows you how much he is worshiped there. Love the way the Welsh are so passionate about rugby but the fallout will be interesting when they realise that Gatland is not infallible.

Yes, what's pathetic is that those bitter Irish fans won't admit it, they just all of a sudden hate a winning Lions coach! No harm down we all know the score, would just be refreshing if those fans that bitch about him could explain why instead of making stupid remarks like this one in bold.  

He was fairly disrespectful of Lions traditions for a start. He has effectively admitted this in recent days suggesting that there should be a quota system:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/britishandirishlionsrugby/10406982/QBE-Internationals-Warren-Gatland-says-British-and-Irish-Lions-should-consider-quota-system.html

His gameplan was quite one dimensional and his man managment at times poor too.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:He made a shambles of the Lions though, turning a fairly routine exercise into a skin of the pants 2-1 victory by being more focused on his own ego than the rugby. Thankfully Halfpenny, Corbiesero and Sexton got him over the line and saved his bacon.

Yes he really did make hard work of the Lions tour against a hopeless Australia team.

Tell me, when precisely did the Wallabies become useless? Was it in October 2012 when they drew with the All Blacks? Or a month later when they won at Twickenham? A month later again when they won in Cardiff? I'm trying to pinpoint the results that made you think they were just going to roll over for the Lions.

Care to answer my question, Guns?

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:He made a shambles of the Lions though, turning a fairly routine exercise into a skin of the pants 2-1 victory by being more focused on his own ego than the rugby. Thankfully Halfpenny, Corbiesero and Sexton got him over the line and saved his bacon.

Yes he really did make hard work of the Lions tour against a hopeless Australia team.

Tell me, when precisely did the Wallabies become useless? Was it in October 2012 when they drew with the All Blacks? Or a month later when they won at Twickenham? A month later again when they won in Cardiff? I'm trying to pinpoint the results that made you think they were just going to roll over for the Lions.

Care to answer my question, Guns?

Don't hold your breath. It doesn't fit into some people's agendas of attacking Sir Warren at every given opportunity.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:He made a shambles of the Lions though, turning a fairly routine exercise into a skin of the pants 2-1 victory by being more focused on his own ego than the rugby. Thankfully Halfpenny, Corbiesero and Sexton got him over the line and saved his bacon.

Yes he really did make hard work of the Lions tour against a hopeless Australia team.

Tell me, when precisely did the Wallabies become useless? Was it in October 2012 when they drew with the All Blacks? Or a month later when they won at Twickenham? A month later again when they won in Cardiff? I'm trying to pinpoint the results that made you think they were just going to roll over for the Lions.

Care to answer my question, Guns?

They were useless in the lead up to and during the Lions tour. It was well documented that they were in disarray with a multitude of dicipline problems and players falling out with the coach. They also had a number of debuts, inexperienced players and combinations going into the first test. A team in complete transition. It was unboubtedly the best chance to win a Lions test in my lifetime, they were there for the taking from day 1 yet the tactics employed by the Lions in the first two tests were so negative we almost lost them both.

Even though it is completely irellevant for all the wallflowers that referenced the recent Ireland game the team Australia put out was completely different to the one that faced the Lions in the first test. Less than half the team was the same, different captain and different coach. The current Australia team had been building and improving under their new coach since the Lions tour whereas Ireland were in their second match under their new coach.

anyone else thinking next six nations going to be nuclear on here   . Ireland vs Wales discussion thread for one

Guns, thanks for replying. I still say winning a match, let alone a series, away to the Wallabies is never an easy task - they're one of the most tenacious and resourceful Test nations - but at least you've argued your case.

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:anyone else thinking next  six nations going to be nuclear on here   .  Ireland vs Wales discussion thread for one

I dont think so. No more spicy that Ireland v Wales always are of late anyway. Have tickets for this game so wont be involved in the forum fun anyway. I expect the usual crop of geniuses rehashing the really funny jokes about O'Driscoll getting dropped by Gatland though.

No problem Luckless.

GunsGerms wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:He made a shambles of the Lions though, turning a fairly routine exercise into a skin of the pants 2-1 victory by being more focused on his own ego than the rugby. Thankfully Halfpenny, Corbiesero and Sexton got him over the line and saved his bacon.

Yes he really did make hard work of the Lions tour against a hopeless Australia team.

Tell me, when precisely did the Wallabies become useless? Was it in October 2012 when they drew with the All Blacks? Or a month later when they won at Twickenham? A month later again when they won in Cardiff? I'm trying to pinpoint the results that made you think they were just going to roll over for the Lions.

Care to answer my question, Guns?

They were useless in the lead up to and during the Lions tour. It was well documented that they were in disarray with a multitude of dicipline problems and players falling out with the coach. They also had a number of debuts, inexperienced players and combinations going into the first test. A team in complete transition. It was unboubtedly the best chance to win a Lions test in my lifetime, they were there for the taking from day 1 yet the tactics employed by the Lions in the first two tests were so negative we almost lost them both.

Even though it is completely irellevant for all the wallflowers that referenced the recent Ireland game the team Australia put out was completely different to the one that faced the Lions in the first test. Less than half the team was the same, different captain and different coach. The current Australia team had been building and improving under their new coach since the Lions tour whereas Ireland were in their second match under their new coach.

Players or player. It was well documented that O'Driscoll had a big falling out; I can't remember why. Can you   
Then O'Connell had something small to say but nothing big really.
Good excuse about the Ireland vs Australia game; even though it doesn't explain the fact why they got beat by such a big margin after a good win vs Samoa the previous week.

Your post is fairly incoherent. Can you re-word it please and I will respond in full.

Again it is completely unrelated to the Lions tour but I was surprised at how bad Ireland played and also surprised at how good Australia played because they were apauling v England. Ireland proved that they are a much better team than the performance v Australia in their next game v NZ.

You have the cheek to say that the Lions was a bad tour. You then say that the Australian team was hopeles; hwoevr when it was the same team that beat Ireland by 40 points it's a different storry to you.
Can't you see how weird and one eyed you are coming across as. To be honest I don't know why i'm trying to explain to you, we will never agree.
So   

Jhamer25 wrote:You have the cheek to say that the Lions was a bad tour. You then say that the Australian team was hopeles; hwoevr when it was the  same team that beat Ireland by 40 points it's a different storry to you.
Can't you see how weird and one eyed you are coming across as. To be honest I don't know why i'm trying to explain to you, we will never agree.
So   

Its not the same team. Less than half the Aussie players that played the first test v the Lions played v Ireland. There was also a different captain and manager. Why are you so thick?

Jhamer25 wrote:You have the cheek to say that the Lions was a bad tour.

IMO it was, 2-1 against a very poor Aussie team was a joke, even if we were playing WarrenBall we should have won 3-0.

I hope no one has bought me the 2013 Lions tour DVD for Xmas, I rather watch the Queens speech all day.   

GunsGerms wrote:

Jhamer25 wrote:You have the cheek to say that the Lions was a bad tour. You then say that the Australian team was hopeles; hwoevr when it was the  same team that beat Ireland by 40 points it's a different storry to you.
Can't you see how weird and one eyed you are coming across as. To be honest I don't know why i'm trying to explain to you, we will never agree.
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Its not the same team. Less than half the Aussie players that played the first test v the Lions played v Ireland. There was also a different captain and manager. Why are you so thick?

Well done mate turning it too abuse

It's just funny how everything seems to suit your argument

Your a joke of a person, keep your little insults coming  



"IMO it was, 2-1 against a very poor Aussie team was a joke, even if we were playing WarrenBall we should have won 3-0.

I hope no one has bought me the 2013 Lions tour DVD for Xmas, I rather watch the Queens speech all day.  Shocked"

 

Scrumpy wrote:

Jhamer25 wrote:You have the cheek to say that the Lions was a bad tour.

IMO it was, 2-1 against a very poor Aussie team was a joke, even if we were playing WarrenBall we should have won 3-0.

I hope no one has bought me the 2013 Lions tour DVD for Xmas, I rather watch the Queens speech all day.   

A winning lions tour is never a bad tour…the problem with such statements is they just cannot conceal the obvious bitterness of the poster.

I should imagine with your scrooge like tendencies your family has probably clubbed together to buy you a one way ticket to Uranus.

Can the title be changed on this? Scratch got a bit carried away in his idolising of Kiwis.

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Can the title be changed on this? Scratch got a bit carried away in his idolising of Kiwis.

for a guy who missed the most obvious yoda post i have ever seen that's actually not bad