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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat 04 Jan 2014, 3:22 pm

First topic message reminder :

Well, nothing on here much for discussion so thought this could begin.

At the moment Westisbest is probably pulling his hair out, whilst Wigan are marching on towards there second FA Cup in a row.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat 04 Jan 2014, 10:54 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:is everyone finally accepting that Arsenal are the real deal this season?

Laugh

Steady on lad. These four consecutive fixtures in the PL will let us know if Arsenal are the real deal or not:

Tottenham v Arsenal Sat 15 Mar
Chelsea v Arsenal Sat 22 Mar
Arsenal v Man City Sat 29 Mar
Everton v Arsenal Sat 5 Apr

I'd echo Freek in that I'd rather Arsenal win the league than either Chelsea or City, but I simply don't think they will. Lack of depth in defence and attack will cost them. 3rd place I reckon.

people were saying we would falter on december when we hd to oplat city, chelsea and everton and united and we are still top.

City 6-3 Arsenal
Arsenal 0-0 Chelsea
Arsenal 1-1 Everton
Manchester United 1-0 Arsenal

Bit of faltering there. Still top...but how long for?

lets look at United's results in corresponding fixtures.

man u 1-2 tottenham
man u 0-0 chelsea
man u 1-0 arsenal
man cit 4-1 man u
man u 0-1 everton

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat 04 Jan 2014, 10:55 pm

If having a better season than this Man United side makes you the real deal then I expect Newcastle to soon win the Champion League

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat 04 Jan 2014, 10:59 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:If having a better season than this Man United side makes you the real deal then I expect Newcastle to soon win the Champion League

It highlights we are hardly faltering losing 2 games away to man city and man u, 2 of the best teams in the world.

We are top of the league and our reserve team just beat a full strength tottenham team 2-0. Exciting times.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 04 Jan 2014, 10:59 pm

Just wait until the Bayern game lads.. Smile

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:01 pm

You can't really compare any of the top teams to a United side clearly in transition this year, we've been in transition for a while but losing a manager worth about 15 points a season makes it a starker reality.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:01 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Just wait until the Bayern game lads.. Smile

we drew with them 3-3 last season losing on away goals

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Post by Duty281 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:02 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:is everyone finally accepting that Arsenal are the real deal this season?

Laugh

Steady on lad. These four consecutive fixtures in the PL will let us know if Arsenal are the real deal or not:

Tottenham v Arsenal Sat 15 Mar
Chelsea v Arsenal Sat 22 Mar
Arsenal v Man City Sat 29 Mar
Everton v Arsenal Sat 5 Apr

I'd echo Freek in that I'd rather Arsenal win the league than either Chelsea or City, but I simply don't think they will. Lack of depth in defence and attack will cost them. 3rd place I reckon.

people were saying we would falter on december when we hd to oplat city, chelsea and everton and united and we are still top.

City 6-3 Arsenal
Arsenal 0-0 Chelsea
Arsenal 1-1 Everton
Manchester United 1-0 Arsenal

Bit of faltering there. Still top...but how long for?

lets look at United's results in corresponding fixtures.

man u 1-2 tottenham
man u 0-0 chelsea
man u 1-0 arsenal
man cit 4-1 man u
man u 0-1 everton

You're competing with Citeh and Chelsea for the title, possibly Liverpool as well, but not United.

And that is faltering by Arsenal - it's 10 points dropped.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:03 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Just wait until the Bayern game lads.. Smile

Yes come on Arsenal - keep the PL flag flying high.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:If having a better season than this Man United side makes you the real deal then I expect Newcastle to soon win the Champion League

It highlights we are hardly faltering losing 2 games away to man city and man u, 2 of the best teams in the world.

We are top of the league and our reserve team just beat a full strength tottenham team 2-0. Exciting times.

Bit of a stretch to say the least.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:04 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:is everyone finally accepting that Arsenal are the real deal this season?

Laugh

Steady on lad. These four consecutive fixtures in the PL will let us know if Arsenal are the real deal or not:

Tottenham v Arsenal Sat 15 Mar
Chelsea v Arsenal Sat 22 Mar
Arsenal v Man City Sat 29 Mar
Everton v Arsenal Sat 5 Apr

I'd echo Freek in that I'd rather Arsenal win the league than either Chelsea or City, but I simply don't think they will. Lack of depth in defence and attack will cost them. 3rd place I reckon.

people were saying we would falter on december when we hd to oplat city, chelsea and everton and united and we are still top.

City 6-3 Arsenal
Arsenal 0-0 Chelsea
Arsenal 1-1 Everton
Manchester United 1-0 Arsenal

Bit of faltering there. Still top...but how long for?

lets look at United's results in corresponding fixtures.

man u 1-2 tottenham
man u 0-0 chelsea
man u 1-0 arsenal
man cit 4-1 man u
man u 0-1 everton

You're competing with Citeh and Chelsea for the title, possibly Liverpool as well, but not United.

And that is faltering by Arsenal - it's 10 points dropped.

i wouldn't call it faltering as they were all top teams, faltering would be losing to mid table teams.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:06 pm

Duty281 wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Just wait until the Bayern game lads.. Smile

Yes come on Arsenal - keep the PL flag flying high.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:If having a better season than this Man United side makes you the real deal then I expect Newcastle to soon win the Champion League

It highlights we are hardly faltering losing 2 games away to man city and man u, 2 of the best teams in the world.

We are top of the league and our reserve team just beat a full strength tottenham team 2-0. Exciting times.

Bit of a stretch to say the least.

Wasn't exactly a full strength tottenham team with Bentaleb and Lennon playing with Eriksen out of position.

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Post by socal1976 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:08 pm

The 0-0 Chelsea Hockey match shouldn't count as it was a 90 minute kick about fully sanctioned by Mike Dean and was nothing resembling a proper football contest. Ivanovic thought it was an MMA fight and tried to kick Ozil in the face.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:09 pm

CS you want us to start talking about Arsenal as the real deal, but you're comparing your results with Utd??

You're in a different game to them this year pal if we're to believe you
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Post by socal1976 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:09 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Just wait until the Bayern game lads.. Smile

Yes come on Arsenal - keep the PL flag flying high.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:If having a better season than this Man United side makes you the real deal then I expect Newcastle to soon win the Champion League

It highlights we are hardly faltering losing 2 games away to man city and man u, 2 of the best teams in the world.

We are top of the league and our reserve team just beat a full strength tottenham team 2-0. Exciting times.

Bit of a stretch to say the least.

Wasn't exactly a full strength tottenham team with Bentaleb and Lennon playing with Eriksen out of position.

Same squad that beat United away and had been unbeaten in their last 4 league matches. But I forgot as soon as a team loses to Arsenal they are sheet, same thing we heard after Arsenal beat Liverpool.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:12 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:is everyone finally accepting that Arsenal are the real deal this season?

Laugh

Steady on lad. These four consecutive fixtures in the PL will let us know if Arsenal are the real deal or not:

Tottenham v Arsenal Sat 15 Mar
Chelsea v Arsenal Sat 22 Mar
Arsenal v Man City Sat 29 Mar
Everton v Arsenal Sat 5 Apr

I'd echo Freek in that I'd rather Arsenal win the league than either Chelsea or City, but I simply don't think they will. Lack of depth in defence and attack will cost them. 3rd place I reckon.

people were saying we would falter on december when we hd to oplat city, chelsea and everton and united and we are still top.

City 6-3 Arsenal
Arsenal 0-0 Chelsea
Arsenal 1-1 Everton
Manchester United 1-0 Arsenal

Bit of faltering there. Still top...but how long for?

lets look at United's results in corresponding fixtures.

man u 1-2 tottenham
man u 0-0 chelsea
man u 1-0 arsenal
man cit 4-1 man u
man u 0-1 everton

You're competing with Citeh and Chelsea for the title, possibly Liverpool as well, but not United.

And that is faltering by Arsenal - it's 10 points dropped.

i wouldn't call it faltering as they were all top teams, faltering would be losing to mid table teams.

Well...you've lost to United in that context then. And Villa.

You can never expect to win the title unless you beat the big teams, something Arsenal haven't done with the possible exception of Liverpool.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:13 pm

Well to be honest neither were bad teams. Arsenal has so much strength that that team was as good as any other IMO.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:14 pm

The same United team that everyone says is the worst in years, not competing for the title and is generally quite rubbish. A team that's the real deal shouldn't be comparing themselves to a club in transition.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:15 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:is everyone finally accepting that Arsenal are the real deal this season?

Laugh

Steady on lad. These four consecutive fixtures in the PL will let us know if Arsenal are the real deal or not:

Tottenham v Arsenal Sat 15 Mar
Chelsea v Arsenal Sat 22 Mar
Arsenal v Man City Sat 29 Mar
Everton v Arsenal Sat 5 Apr

I'd echo Freek in that I'd rather Arsenal win the league than either Chelsea or City, but I simply don't think they will. Lack of depth in defence and attack will cost them. 3rd place I reckon.

people were saying we would falter on december when we hd to oplat city, chelsea and everton and united and we are still top.

City 6-3 Arsenal
Arsenal 0-0 Chelsea
Arsenal 1-1 Everton
Manchester United 1-0 Arsenal

Bit of faltering there. Still top...but how long for?

lets look at United's results in corresponding fixtures.

man u 1-2 tottenham
man u 0-0 chelsea
man u 1-0 arsenal
man cit 4-1 man u
man u 0-1 everton

You're competing with Citeh and Chelsea for the title, possibly Liverpool as well, but not United.

And that is faltering by Arsenal - it's 10 points dropped.

i wouldn't call it faltering as they were all top teams, faltering would be losing to mid table teams.

Well...you've lost to United in that context then. And Villa.

You can never expect to win the title unless you beat the big teams, something Arsenal haven't done with the possible exception of Liverpool.

what do ou mean possible exception of liverpool? You just said we were competing with them for the league so of course they are a big team we have beaten. We have also beaten tottenham twice.

United are not a mid table team, they are just having a bad patch. and Villa beat us before we had ozil and flamini who are the 2 major reasons why we are top of the league.

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Post by socal1976 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:17 pm

I am not comparing Arsenal to United, you claimed that the Spurs had injuries, they do, and guess what so does Arsenal. The point is about the fact that this is the same spurs lineup that played in a road win last week in league and the had been unbeaten in its last 4 contests. It is a comparison of Spurs and Arsenal, not Arsenal and United. Arsenal had 6 first teamers out at the start of this contest and spurs played basically the same squad they played at United.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:19 pm

Spurs have about 10 first teamers out at the moment, as apparent title challengers you should be beating them at home, it's not a statement of intent.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:21 pm

10 first teamers out and they still beat united 2-1 at old trafford hahah

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:21 pm

Five premier league titles in the past seven years haha Smile

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:23 pm

yeh you are sounding like liverpool fans talking about your history hahaha

I don't care what happened in 2007 I care about 2013/2014 seson and you guys will finish 5th at best hahaha

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Post by Guest Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:30 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:yeh you are sounding like liverpool fans talking about your history hahaha


We actually don't talk about our history. You guys do and develop a chip on your shoulders over it.

But thanks for reminding us of our 5 European cups anyway.

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Post by The Fourth Lion Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:30 pm

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John wrote:No Cabaye, Krul, Coloccini, Remy, Debuchy

What did we expect really. We're never going to win the cup but at least let's have a decent run this year, given our position. We've endured going out to Brighton twice in two years & now Cardiff at home. Pretty poor.

Hello Wigan. More pointedly, you're probably never going to win anything but a cup, so glory first. Shame, Pardew probably has the 2006 FA Cup final as his biggest regret in football, you'd think he would love to put that heartache to bed



Not quite right.  Pardew said when he was a player at Charlton, that his biggest regret in football was losing the cup final with Crystal Palace in 1990.  A sentiment that I'm guessing might not quite have resonated in the same way with his audience at the time.

Of course, that was before he became a manager and took West Ham to the final, so perhaps his feelings may have changed with time, but it is an interesting question:   Would you rather win a cup final as a player or a manager..?   I know what I'd prefer.


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Post by socal1976 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:30 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Spurs have about 10 first teamers out at the moment, as apparent title challengers you should be beating them at home, it's not a statement of intent.

Name the 10 players that would have started for spurs if not for injuries go ahead I'd like to see how your math skills are in comparison to your other talents? And when did I say statement of intent? Go ahead name the 10 starters they have missing, I freaking dare you to?

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Post by westisbest Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:32 pm

Christ that second Rochdale goal was one of the best I've seen this season.

Quality finish.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:32 pm

The Fourth Lion wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
John wrote:No Cabaye, Krul, Coloccini, Remy, Debuchy

What did we expect really. We're never going to win the cup but at least let's have a decent run this year, given our position. We've endured going out to Brighton twice in two years & now Cardiff at home. Pretty poor.

Hello Wigan. More pointedly, you're probably never going to win anything but a cup, so glory first. Shame, Pardew probably has the 2006 FA Cup final as his biggest regret in football, you'd think he would love to put that heartache to bed



Not quite right.  Pardew said when he was a player at Charlton, that his biggest regret in football was losing the cup final with Crystal Palace in 1990.  A sentiment that I'm guessing might not quite have resonated in the same way with his audience at the time.

Of course, that was before he became a manager and took West Ham to the final, so perhaps his feelings may have changed with time, but it is an interesting question:   Would you rather win a cup final as a player or a manager..?   I know what I'd prefer.

The second has compounded the problem. He would take either.

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Post by The Fourth Lion Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:34 pm

socal1976 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Spurs have about 10 first teamers out at the moment, as apparent title challengers you should be beating them at home, it's not a statement of intent.

Name the 10 players that would have started for spurs if not for injuries go ahead I'd like to see how your math skills are in comparison to your other talents? And when did I say statement of intent? Go ahead name the 10 starters they have missing, I freaking dare you to?


Jimmy Greaves.   Although he might have scored only one goal and that wouldn't have been enough.  But then again, he is 73.  

I'd still back him to score ahead of Soldado.
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Post by socal1976 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:35 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:10 first teamers out and they still beat united 2-1 at old trafford hahah

LOL!

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Post by Guest Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:35 pm

The Fourth Lion wrote:
socal1976 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Spurs have about 10 first teamers out at the moment, as apparent title challengers you should be beating them at home, it's not a statement of intent.

Name the 10 players that would have started for spurs if not for injuries go ahead I'd like to see how your math skills are in comparison to your other talents? And when did I say statement of intent? Go ahead name the 10 starters they have missing, I freaking dare you to?


Jimmy Greaves.   Although he might have scored only one goal and that wouldn't have been enough.  But then again, he is 73.  

I'd still back him to score ahead of Soldado.

The greatest natural goal scorer this country has ever seen.

Only Robbie Fowler came close to replicating.


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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:35 pm

FreekShow wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:yeh you are sounding like liverpool fans talking about your history hahaha


We actually don't talk about our history. You guys do and develop a chip on your shoulders over it.

But thanks for reminding us of our 5 European cups anyway.

haha how does the premier league look from down there haha, 30 million on fellani  thumbsup 

Well done

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Post by socal1976 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:36 pm

The Fourth Lion wrote:
socal1976 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Spurs have about 10 first teamers out at the moment, as apparent title challengers you should be beating them at home, it's not a statement of intent.

Name the 10 players that would have started for spurs if not for injuries go ahead I'd like to see how your math skills are in comparison to your other talents? And when did I say statement of intent? Go ahead name the 10 starters they have missing, I freaking dare you to?


Jimmy Greaves.   Although he might have scored only one goal and that wouldn't have been enough.  But then again, he is 73.  

I'd still back him to score ahead of Soldado.

Yes anyone from their 61 side could start over Soldado and wouldn't cost 30 million pounds. LOL! 10 first teamers out my hairy bumhole.

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Post by Guest Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:38 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:yeh you are sounding like liverpool fans talking about your history hahaha


We actually don't talk about our history. You guys do and develop a chip on your shoulders over it.

But thanks for reminding us of our 5 European cups anyway.

haha how does the premier league look from down there haha, 30 million on fellani  thumbsup 

Well done

 picard  I dunno. Ask Man Utd fans.


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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:38 pm

FreekShow wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:yeh you are sounding like liverpool fans talking about your history hahaha


We actually don't talk about our history. You guys do and develop a chip on your shoulders over it.

But thanks for reminding us of our 5 European cups anyway.

Strange how opinions change because of half a good season isn't it, I forget we should have set such lofty expectations over the past 10 years just to get into the top four. Mock United all you want CS but I wouldn't change our situation for anyones right now, the 13 premier league titles and two champions league do mean something because I remember each and everyone of them. Whether it be Bruce's double against Wednesday, Solskjaer's winner against Bayern, Van Der Sar saving Anelka's penalty, Rooney scoring against Wigan. I can unlike fans of most clubs say I lived through my club winning 23 major honours, it doesn't alter this season but nor does this season alter the past.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:39 pm

To be fair felani looks like the bargain of the century compared to soldado

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Post by Guest Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:40 pm

mystiroakey wrote:To be fair felani looks like the bargain of the century compared to soldado

The toilet roll I just flushed is worth more than Soldado Myst.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:43 pm

The Fourth Lion wrote:
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John wrote:No Cabaye, Krul, Coloccini, Remy, Debuchy

What did we expect really. We're never going to win the cup but at least let's have a decent run this year, given our position. We've endured going out to Brighton twice in two years & now Cardiff at home. Pretty poor.

Hello Wigan. More pointedly, you're probably never going to win anything but a cup, so glory first. Shame, Pardew probably has the 2006 FA Cup final as his biggest regret in football, you'd think he would love to put that heartache to bed



Not quite right.  Pardew said when he was a player at Charlton, that his biggest regret in football was losing the cup final with Crystal Palace in 1990.  A sentiment that I'm guessing might not quite have resonated in the same way with his audience at the time.

Of course, that was before he became a manager and took West Ham to the final, so perhaps his feelings may have changed with time, but it is an interesting question:   Would you rather win a cup final as a player or a manager..?   I know what I'd prefer.

It is probably up there joint, I would imagine the West Ham final may be the most painful as we Frak deserved to win it, and for some reason kicked the ball back to them after we had kicked it out for one of their players. To then lose on penalties. Saying that, the 1990 final was very close to with the replay. Guys been bloody unlucky.

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Strange how opinions change because of half a good season isn't it, I forget we should have set such lofty expectations over the past 10 years just to get into the top four. Mock United all you want CS but I wouldn't change our situation for anyones right now, the 13 premier league titles and two champions league do mean something because I remember each and everyone of them. Whether it be Bruce's double against Wednesday, Solskjaer's winner against Bayern, Van Der Sar saving Anelka's penalty, Rooney scoring against Wigan. I can unlike fans of most clubs say I lived through my club winning 23 major honours, it doesn't alter this season but nor does this season alter the past.


Or even Denis Law's back heel......... (ouch)


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Post by mystiroakey Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:44 pm

Thats nice for you hammersmith. But have you ever been to old trafford Whistle 

 Hug 

Be careful freak toilet rolls can course a blockage. and if you marketed it correctly you might have been able to auction it of to Tottenham and united. Probably worth 50m in todays market




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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:45 pm

I'm not from Hammersmith at all actually Fourth Lion, I used to work primarily in the Hammersmith Apollo a fair few years ago now.

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Post by The Fourth Lion Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:46 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm not from Hammersmith at all actually Fourth Lion, I used to work primarily in the Hammersmith Apollo a fair few years ago now.

Fair one, mate. I was being mischievous is all. No offence intended. I just couldn't help myself.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:48 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Thats nice for you hammersmith. But have you ever been to old trafford Whistle 

 Hug 

Be careful freak toilet rolls can course a blockage. and if you marketed it correctly you might have been able to auction it of to Tottenham and united. Probably worth 50m in todays market




Former season ticket holder but thanks for asking Mysti, settling down with my wife and daughter changed all that though, I was lucky enough to go to the Nou Camp in 99 but unfortunately/thankfully didn't get a ticket to the 2011 final.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:48 pm

Yeah i couldnt help myself either!



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Post by Guest Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:49 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
The Fourth Lion wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
John wrote:No Cabaye, Krul, Coloccini, Remy, Debuchy

What did we expect really. We're never going to win the cup but at least let's have a decent run this year, given our position. We've endured going out to Brighton twice in two years & now Cardiff at home. Pretty poor.

Hello Wigan. More pointedly, you're probably never going to win anything but a cup, so glory first. Shame, Pardew probably has the 2006 FA Cup final as his biggest regret in football, you'd think he would love to put that heartache to bed



Not quite right.  Pardew said when he was a player at Charlton, that his biggest regret in football was losing the cup final with Crystal Palace in 1990.  A sentiment that I'm guessing might not quite have resonated in the same way with his audience at the time.

Of course, that was before he became a manager and took West Ham to the final, so perhaps his feelings may have changed with time, but it is an interesting question:   Would you rather win a cup final as a player or a manager..?   I know what I'd prefer.

It is probably up there joint, I would imagine the West Ham final may be the most painful as we Frak deserved to win it, and for some reason kicked the ball back to them after we had kicked it out for one of their players. To then lose on penalties. Saying that, the 1990 final was very close to with the replay. Guys been bloody unlucky.

You were awesome that day Chris, no doubt. I thought we were dead and buried but then our resident DJ beater pulled a rabbit out of a hat.

I'd say that Pardew leading that Hammers side to a FA Cup final triumph slightly beats the feat as a player.



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Post by socal1976 Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:49 pm

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Champagne_Socialist wrote:yeh you are sounding like liverpool fans talking about your history hahaha


We actually don't talk about our history. You guys do and develop a chip on your shoulders over it.

But thanks for reminding us of our 5 European cups anyway.

Strange how opinions change because of half a good season isn't it, I forget we should have set such lofty expectations over the past 10 years just to get into the top four. Mock United all you want CS but I wouldn't change our situation for anyones right now, the 13 premier league titles and two champions league do mean something because I remember each and everyone of them. Whether it be Bruce's double against Wednesday, Solskjaer's winner against Bayern, Van Der Sar saving Anelka's penalty, Rooney scoring against Wigan. I can unlike fans of most clubs say I lived through my club winning 23 major honours, it doesn't alter this season but nor does this season alter the past.

Great, we don't try to take your enjoyment of your team and your memories; why do you take such glee at making a load of BS and nonsense to detract from Arsenal's victory today. All you want to do is rain on Gunner fan's parade, no one claimed we won anything but are we not entitled to enjoy our team only you glorious United Fans are entitled to enjoy your accomplishments. Don't make up a load of nonsense about 10 first team spurs players being out, when you and everyone else knows it is a flat out lie to cheapen our enjoyment of beating our cross town rivals in an FA cup tie. Every time someone says a nice word about ARsenal there you pop up, but they have not won anything in 8 years crap. Or even worse you make up a lot horse dung about 10 missing Spurs starters.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:54 pm

Kaboul, Vertonghen, Naughton, Paulinho, Townsend, Defo, Lamela, Sigurdsson and Holtby are all injured, so it's 9 first team players out at the moment so hardly a flat out lie. Football being the squad game it is requires rotation so no premier league manager would want to be starting the same 11 in the fa cup he played 3 days earlier in the league.

Me stating that Arsenal haven't won anything in 8 years is no less crap than you pointing out we're currently 7th in the table.

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Post by The Fourth Lion Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:54 pm

FreekShow wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
The Fourth Lion wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
John wrote:No Cabaye, Krul, Coloccini, Remy, Debuchy

What did we expect really. We're never going to win the cup but at least let's have a decent run this year, given our position. We've endured going out to Brighton twice in two years & now Cardiff at home. Pretty poor.

Hello Wigan. More pointedly, you're probably never going to win anything but a cup, so glory first. Shame, Pardew probably has the 2006 FA Cup final as his biggest regret in football, you'd think he would love to put that heartache to bed



Not quite right.  Pardew said when he was a player at Charlton, that his biggest regret in football was losing the cup final with Crystal Palace in 1990.  A sentiment that I'm guessing might not quite have resonated in the same way with his audience at the time.

Of course, that was before he became a manager and took West Ham to the final, so perhaps his feelings may have changed with time, but it is an interesting question:   Would you rather win a cup final as a player or a manager..?   I know what I'd prefer.

It is probably up there joint, I would imagine the West Ham final may be the most painful as we Frak deserved to win it, and for some reason kicked the ball back to them after we had kicked it out for one of their players. To then lose on penalties. Saying that, the 1990 final was very close to with the replay. Guys been bloody unlucky.

You were awesome that day Chris, no doubt. I thought we were dead and buried but then our resident DJ beater pulled a rabbit out of a hat.

I'd say that Pardew leading that Hammers side to a FA Cup final triumph slightly beats the feat as a player.




Losing the final was a triumph? I bet it didn't feel like one at the time.
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Post by mystiroakey Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:57 pm

FreekShow wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
The Fourth Lion wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
John wrote:No Cabaye, Krul, Coloccini, Remy, Debuchy

What did we expect really. We're never going to win the cup but at least let's have a decent run this year, given our position. We've endured going out to Brighton twice in two years & now Cardiff at home. Pretty poor.

Hello Wigan. More pointedly, you're probably never going to win anything but a cup, so glory first. Shame, Pardew probably has the 2006 FA Cup final as his biggest regret in football, you'd think he would love to put that heartache to bed



Not quite right.  Pardew said when he was a player at Charlton, that his biggest regret in football was losing the cup final with Crystal Palace in 1990.  A sentiment that I'm guessing might not quite have resonated in the same way with his audience at the time.

Of course, that was before he became a manager and took West Ham to the final, so perhaps his feelings may have changed with time, but it is an interesting question:   Would you rather win a cup final as a player or a manager..?   I know what I'd prefer.

It is probably up there joint, I would imagine the West Ham final may be the most painful as we Frak deserved to win it, and for some reason kicked the ball back to them after we had kicked it out for one of their players. To then lose on penalties. Saying that, the 1990 final was very close to with the replay. Guys been bloody unlucky.

You were awesome that day Chris, no doubt. I thought we were dead and buried but then our resident DJ beater pulled a rabbit out of a hat.

I'd say that Pardew leading that Hammers side to a FA Cup final triumph slightly beats the feat as a player.





Scored the winner v Liverpool in the semi(i was ta the game Wink )and then played in both finals v united.

Solid player was Pardew, but his career at the top was very short lived.

But to be honest a lot would have been on his mind managing in the final, because the loss as a player hit him quite hard

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Post by Guest Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:58 pm

The Fourth Lion wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
The Fourth Lion wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
John wrote:No Cabaye, Krul, Coloccini, Remy, Debuchy

What did we expect really. We're never going to win the cup but at least let's have a decent run this year, given our position. We've endured going out to Brighton twice in two years & now Cardiff at home. Pretty poor.

Hello Wigan. More pointedly, you're probably never going to win anything but a cup, so glory first. Shame, Pardew probably has the 2006 FA Cup final as his biggest regret in football, you'd think he would love to put that heartache to bed



Not quite right.  Pardew said when he was a player at Charlton, that his biggest regret in football was losing the cup final with Crystal Palace in 1990.  A sentiment that I'm guessing might not quite have resonated in the same way with his audience at the time.

Of course, that was before he became a manager and took West Ham to the final, so perhaps his feelings may have changed with time, but it is an interesting question:   Would you rather win a cup final as a player or a manager..?   I know what I'd prefer.

It is probably up there joint, I would imagine the West Ham final may be the most painful as we Frak deserved to win it, and for some reason kicked the ball back to them after we had kicked it out for one of their players. To then lose on penalties. Saying that, the 1990 final was very close to with the replay. Guys been bloody unlucky.

You were awesome that day Chris, no doubt. I thought we were dead and buried but then our resident DJ beater pulled a rabbit out of a hat.

I'd say that Pardew leading that Hammers side to a FA Cup final triumph slightly beats the feat as a player.




Losing the final was a triumph?  I bet it didn't feel like one at the time.

No I meant that had Pardew led West Ham to an FA Cup triumph would top winning it as a player. Triumph = win, last time I heard anyway...

I trust you gathered this anyway.

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Post by Guest Sun 05 Jan 2014, 12:01 am

That 4-3 in 1990 was the last time I seriously cried after a football match Myst.

Helluva game mind. We beat you 9-0 earlier that season which makes it even more painful!

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