Can Broner Solve His Maidana Problem Second Time Round?

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By Stephen Lynch.

Can Broner solve his Maidana problem the second time out?

Whatever one’s opinion on Adrien Broner – and there are plenty out there - it can’t be denied he’s got guts. Recently dethroned welterweight champion Broner has exercised his rematch clause to get Marcos Maidana back in the ring in summer 2014, following a one-sided upset loss to the Argentine power-puncher last month. 

“El Chino” stripped Broner of his unbeaten record, WBA strap and mystique in as convincing fashion imaginable for an underdog, beating his flashy opponent from pillar to post and dropping him twice en route to a wide decision win in San Antonio, Texas.

The Showtime-televised Golden Boy show, “DANGER ZONE”, was aptly prophetic for “The Problem” as he hurried out of the ring with a suspected broken jaw. And as the cups and bottles rained down on him in the Alamodome, there was no doubt he was leaving with his stature broken also, his air of invincibility shattered and meteoric rise through the divisions stopped and derailed off its tracks. The man poised to take up Floyd Mayweather’s flamboyant, trash-talking, dollar-flashing, PPV record-setting mantle was mortal after all.

Where would Broner go from here they asked. Back down to 140? When would we see him again? Could he recover from such a humbling and chastening defeat? He’d talked the talk but it was Maidana who walked the walk that night, walking through Broner as well as walking him down at that.

The news earlier in January that Adrien Broner would seek to avenge Maidana immediately has prompted discussion that the young American is taking a colossal risk with his career by not taking a path of lesser resistance back to the P4P summit. The conventional wisdom being that Broner’s lackadaisical and cocky attitude had cost him the first time around, added to distractions out of the ring and his potent punching power not carrying all the way to 147.

The perils of immediate rematches following decisive defeats has been shown by David Price’s capitulation to the unheralded but formidable Tony Thompson and let’s not forget Carl Froch’s slow deliberation over granting his young, dangerous rival George Groves a second crack of the whip in overthrowing him as a unified 168lb champion. Indeed Maidana himself acknowledged the irony of Amir Khan’s refusal to grant a rematch in their spectacularly competitive bout three years ago – with Khan now seemingly set to win the Mayweather sweepstakes – while the newly-crowned WBA champ is forced to rematch a fighter that was much more convincingly beaten than he that night at the Mandalay Bay in 2010. However what of Lamont Peterson voluntarily rematching Khan, Mayweather having the similar grace against José Luis Castillo or Tyson Fury going back to the well with John McDermott?

It’s a commonly held belief that the better man usually wins the second fight, after having made the necessary adjustments in training to alleviate weaknesses and negate their conquerors strongest weapons (see Lennox Lewis v Rahman, Holyfield and McCall). What we saw in San Antonio was the result of overreach and hubris from a charismatic, promising young star who previously was getting by on his talent alone. Now we will see if Adrien Broner has the discipline to go to with his guts and skills - and in reaction to his first loss - if he can plot and scheme a solution out of a Problem of his own making

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've shown you where the proof is.....

you made the accusation and haven't justified it.........

I said Broner is a paper champ and Barker is a  genuine champ according to the consensus view......I never said the evidence was on this thread..

You called me a liar...........and you can't prove I'm lying..

Onus is on the accuser.......I've given you the sources...

All you've proved is what a complete total and utter nincompoop you are. If anyone dug up any of the threads you mention you'd end up looking even more stupid than you already do.

Everyone on that (my) Barker thread congratulated him on simply becoming a titlist, and even then probably extended beyond his talents, all remaining platitudes were to do with his attitude.

As Dave suggested, maybe if you stopped trying to emulate your fallen hero by acting like a complete bell and instead took a shot at engaging your brain before talking/typing you wouldn't get so much stick.

Darren Barker thread:

https://www.606v2.com/t51026-darren-barker-retires

Quotes:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Not every fighter becomes an ATG ... Barker can look back and say he got his shot, took it and fought in big shows.

owen10ozzy wrote:Credit to British boxing for me. Was always a gentleman outside the ring; ... Eventually it all paid off and he won a version of the World title.

Perhaps it wasn't 'The Title' and some will always discredit it as just another Mickey Mouse belt but for someone like Barker it was the be end and end all of what he worked his entire career for.

Strongback wrote:He fulfilled his potential and that is all that can be asked.

Seanusarrilius wrote:Well done Darren Barker. Will always be a former World Champ.

Rowley wrote:However none of that diminishes what he achieved, his fight against Geale was a belter and he deserved the win in that one.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Not many can say they were British, European, Commonwealth and world champion, he's achieved more than his body was willing to let him.

Gerry SA wrote:He become a world champion.

And then Truss the bell bowls in....:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Now barker has retired he's a genuine world champion......even though Martinez and GGG are at the same weight.....

yet all I heard was Broner is a paper champion while he was unbeaten......

And in response:

owen10ozzy wrote:He won a genuine version of a World Title Truss.

catchweight wrote:
I dont rate his world title win as a real world title. In reality he won a close fight against maybe the 4th best middleweight in the world at the time and did ok in his proper world title match but nothing spectacular. So he reached up to become maybe the 4th best middleweight in the world

So, does anyone else read people waxing lyrical about Barker's greatness and how he's a p4p, ATG, was divisional #1, THE world champion etc etc etc...........?

Because to me that looks like people giving a nice guy a pat on the back for winning a portion or version of a world title, nothing more.

Cheers Toppy,

There are days when you wonder if what you're typing on your keyboard is coming out as something else at the other end.

Pleased someone else managed to understand what I was saying

Bravo Toppy,

Think that puts any argument to bed to be honest! You are a Champion of V2...not 'The Champion' mind...just like an alphabet holder but your a nice guy so will forever go down as an all time great   

"He won a genuine version of the world title Truss" - Owen10ozzy..........

Okay..

So is the IBF belt not a geniune title then?

We were talking not so long since about how amusing it was when Michael Brodie became all indignant when it was said how much of a shame it was that he nevver won a World title and his comeback was the IBO belt.

How is that remotely comparable to Barker's effort?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"He won a genuine version of the world title Truss" - Owen10ozzy..........

Okay..

It was a genuine version...Geale had won it, it had not been created to have two champions with one governing body...like WBA belt at Super-Middle. As I said in that thread...having 4 belts isn't a bad thing for boxing. It used to be the case in the late 80's & 90's when the likes of Tyson, Lewis, Jones Jr, Naseem Hamed etc were unifying them. No one was saying one wasn't genuine!

Just because he didn't win all 4 belts doesn't mean it isn't a genuine title Truss!

Didn't say everyone on the Barker thread thought it..........Just mentioned a few idiots...

Enough rebuttal me thinks..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Didn't say everyone on the Barker thread thought it..........Just mentioned a few idiots...

Enough rebuttal me thinks..

 

I said Broner is a paper champ and Barker is a genuine champ according to the consensus view

 
Oops!!!!!!!!!

I like you Dave but truth be told......You know diddly squat about boxing so it renders your POV irrelevant...

You think Broner is something a man gets when he's turned on by a Woman..

Stock response there.

You were talking out of your a$$ and you got proved wrong. Admit it and move on.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"He won a genuine version of the world title Truss" - Owen10ozzy..........

Okay..

!!<VERSION>!!

This is embarassing Truss, why not just admit you were wrong and that you can't accept other people having differing opinions to yourself.

I've been reading this board for years and (very very rarely) posting one thing i have noticed over time is that you are completely incapable of accepting other people either knowing more or disagreeing with you.

As above said, accept it and move on. When your not having a child's tantrum i sometimes learn something from you, at the moment it's how not to act.

Oh and your turning into more of a caricature of D4 every day.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Didn't say everyone on the Barker thread thought it..........Just mentioned a few idiots...

Enough rebuttal me thinks..

1) You did imply everyone; and
2) Quote someone that actually supports what you're saying then?

I think I quoted about everyone on there so I don't think I've missed anyone.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I like you Dave but truth be told......You know diddly squat about boxing so it renders your POV irrelevant...

You think Broner is something a man gets when he's turned on by a Woman..

Bit sexist TRUSS