Can Broner Solve His Maidana Problem Second Time Round?

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By Stephen Lynch.

Can Broner solve his Maidana problem the second time out?

Whatever one’s opinion on Adrien Broner – and there are plenty out there - it can’t be denied he’s got guts. Recently dethroned welterweight champion Broner has exercised his rematch clause to get Marcos Maidana back in the ring in summer 2014, following a one-sided upset loss to the Argentine power-puncher last month. 

“El Chino” stripped Broner of his unbeaten record, WBA strap and mystique in as convincing fashion imaginable for an underdog, beating his flashy opponent from pillar to post and dropping him twice en route to a wide decision win in San Antonio, Texas.

The Showtime-televised Golden Boy show, “DANGER ZONE”, was aptly prophetic for “The Problem” as he hurried out of the ring with a suspected broken jaw. And as the cups and bottles rained down on him in the Alamodome, there was no doubt he was leaving with his stature broken also, his air of invincibility shattered and meteoric rise through the divisions stopped and derailed off its tracks. The man poised to take up Floyd Mayweather’s flamboyant, trash-talking, dollar-flashing, PPV record-setting mantle was mortal after all.

Where would Broner go from here they asked. Back down to 140? When would we see him again? Could he recover from such a humbling and chastening defeat? He’d talked the talk but it was Maidana who walked the walk that night, walking through Broner as well as walking him down at that.

The news earlier in January that Adrien Broner would seek to avenge Maidana immediately has prompted discussion that the young American is taking a colossal risk with his career by not taking a path of lesser resistance back to the P4P summit. The conventional wisdom being that Broner’s lackadaisical and cocky attitude had cost him the first time around, added to distractions out of the ring and his potent punching power not carrying all the way to 147.

The perils of immediate rematches following decisive defeats has been shown by David Price’s capitulation to the unheralded but formidable Tony Thompson and let’s not forget Carl Froch’s slow deliberation over granting his young, dangerous rival George Groves a second crack of the whip in overthrowing him as a unified 168lb champion. Indeed Maidana himself acknowledged the irony of Amir Khan’s refusal to grant a rematch in their spectacularly competitive bout three years ago – with Khan now seemingly set to win the Mayweather sweepstakes – while the newly-crowned WBA champ is forced to rematch a fighter that was much more convincingly beaten than he that night at the Mandalay Bay in 2010. However what of Lamont Peterson voluntarily rematching Khan, Mayweather having the similar grace against José Luis Castillo or Tyson Fury going back to the well with John McDermott?

It’s a commonly held belief that the better man usually wins the second fight, after having made the necessary adjustments in training to alleviate weaknesses and negate their conquerors strongest weapons (see Lennox Lewis v Rahman, Holyfield and McCall). What we saw in San Antonio was the result of overreach and hubris from a charismatic, promising young star who previously was getting by on his talent alone. Now we will see if Adrien Broner has the discipline to go to with his guts and skills - and in reaction to his first loss - if he can plot and scheme a solution out of a Problem of his own making

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Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You are on form to day with all your rebuttal and opinions...

Might have to break the habit of a life time and start taking you seriously..

No boss in today .

Which is why I'm here.........To fill the void for you.

3fingers wrote:Owen10ozzy, The key to beating maidana is to push him on the back foot, you don't need to stay in the pocket to do that.....All ranges of punches can make someone retreat. Effective footwork is what will beat him. Running from Froch is stupid, pushing him onto the backfoot is sensible. Neither Froch or Maidana can throw an effective punch while moving backwards.

I don't think Broner has the effective footwork to do that...kind of my point. He isn't someone who nips in and out of range...certainly not to the extent people would have you believe. Whenever I have seen him throw a higher volume of punches it often results in him being in the pocket/range for too long...leaving himself open to counters.

For me he has to go away and iron out some serious flaws; he is guilty of being lazy during a fight, not throwing enough punches, finding himself too square on & leaving himself open to the body. All are capable of being resolved...yet they won't be because he thinks he's better than he his thus won't apply himself properly to correct these flaws.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You are on form to day with all your rebuttal and opinions...

Might have to break the habit of a life time and start taking you seriously..

No boss in today .

Which is why I'm here.........To fill the void for you.

If you say so!   

Truss, wake up and smell the coffee. You are trying to act as if Broner looking awful was a one off.

He threw everything he had at Maidana and barely made him flinch. It was a humiliation and one of the best things to have happened in boxing for a long time.

Broner can throw all those shots at Maidana again in the rematch and the same will happen. He will once again get walked down and mauled.

It was always going to be a matter of time before it happened. He was shown up before at a lower weight and moving up to Welter showed his power against people his own size isnt all that.

Maidana wasn't even throwing jabs and he wa still getting his head snapped back all night.

We all know you have a love in with U.S fighters but you are taking this one to a whole other level.

I think Broner has all the physical attributes to outbox Maidana but it's his footwork that lets him down. This isn't just against maidana, Malignaggi, De Leon, Rees and Quintero landed shot's because he just stood there infront of them

You may think with his quick hands, reflexes and Mayweather style he will be a backfoot fighter but he's not. He has his best moments on the front foot using his power and size (at 130 &135) and inside game to bust them up (like he did to Rees and Demarco), but on the back foot he just waits to long. An odd counter right here and there isn't enough

While he can beat maidana if he can get him onto the backfoot he needs to seriously up his work rate and move more as maidana was and will be a lot stronger than him and has shown multiple times he can rock and knock down Broner

I hate Broner and was so happy when he lost but even I have to admit that he deserves props for wanting to go straight back in there albeit I'm not sure its the smartest move for him atm as I don't know how much he can learn in 6 months (it's been delayed from the original April date)

Think Broner has two issues here, the first is he genuinely believes he has Floyd’s skillset and so he can stand in front of guys and either paw the shots away or let them slip over his shoulder. The problem is that whilst he is skilled he is no Mayweather and so whilst he may not take 100s of shots he takes enough to hurt him and to lose rounds, add into this the fact that he is not a particularly big welter and it does not take too long for these shots to take effect.

The other issue he has is he just does not have the power or arsenal to hurt guys up at welter. Marcos just seems to walk through him and treat what was coming back with contempt. Is a cliché but in the last fight Marcos seemed genuinely happy to take a couple to land his own shots.

Think Broner can win the second fight (fair play to him for taking it BTW) however I am not sure he will. He needs to be more elusive and move more second time round, as he has the edge in speed and skill. However where I think his problem comes is that to utilize these tactics is almost an acknowledgement he is not skillful enough to beat Maidana in the pocket, as his hero Floyd would almost certainly do. Am just not certain a tool quite as big as Broner would be able to put his ego to one side and apply the required tactical changes.

What I have noticed with most Brits (not all) without meaning to be unkind Is that there never is any middle ground....especially with Boxers you dislike..

Hatton was a top fighter before Floyd.........OVERRATED afterward....

Tyson was great then nothing special after Buster........

It's all or nothing with you guys........

Suggest...........1. You guys try keeping someone off you with no strength in your legs.....2. Wait for the result of the rematch before condemning broner on one showing.. ..........

Who is condeming him Truss? I have said he can win the rematch, just questioning whether his ego will allow him to do what he needs to do to make that happen. In my defence all I am accusing Broner of is being an egotistical bell end, and in that I am 100% consistent as I have never said anything else.

Wasn't necessarily popping at you Mate....

All I've heard is Broner is a three time paper champ.........and Barker on another thread has retired a "genuine" world champ..........

Because people don't like him like Khan and Hatton......he becomes overrated overnight...

He got caught early.......and never recovered..........Wouldn't write him off just yet..

Black and white on here with people who aren't popular.

When quotes like this surface, doesn't make you think that he will make the necessary adjustments.
 
"I'm not here to make any excuses, we're not going to sit in sorrow. We're still going to live tomorrow like we won the fight. I'm still going to party and have fun. My first afterparty is going to be on Tuesday in Cincinnati. We gonna have fun."

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Wasn't necessarily popping at you Mate....

All I've heard is Broner is a three time paper champ.........and Barker on another thread has retired a "genuine" world champ..........

Because people don't like him like Khan and Hatton......he becomes overrated overnight...

He got caught early.......and never recovered..........Wouldn't write him off just yet..

Black and white on here with people who aren't popular.

Well, in fairness to those criticising him, he's hardly cleaned out each division before moving up has he? I agree "paper champ" is perhaps unfair but he's a belt holder and nothing more. His ego has started writing cheques that his ability can't cash and he's been shown to be something of a flat track bully.

Barker is liked......Broner isn't......Hence the difference.

I think the majority will and have given Broner his props Truss....even those who can't stand him have mostly said he is gifted & has all the natural tools to do well.

Just because we aren't lauding him too highly & have questioned him doesn't mean he is coming in for unfair treatment. You keep pulling out the Barker line as if the vast majority of people are saying he's a genuine titlist and Broner isn't...when that couldn't be further from the truth.

The fact is that Broner was hyped massively for the last 3 years; who with talent isn't these days. Yet he put himself under the radar and under enormous pressure with his constant trash talking and belittling of fellow boxers/opponents.

He has won three belts and in this climate of boxing they are about as genuine as you can get; yet that doesn't mean we just ignore the fact he failed to clean out any division he was in & has for the most part targeted the weakest champion within that division. Genuine 3 time champion - yes ...holes to picked with him - plenty.

Was I pleased when he was exposed...of course, I always am when people act in the manner he does...however would I like to see him learn his lessons, knuckle down and come back stronger. Yes of course because he is talented & good for boxing...if he could do all of that whilst being a little humble then I will warm to him. But if he comes back exactly how he was before the Maidana fight then I'll have a smile as wide as a chesire cat when he is beaten again.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Barker is liked......Broner isn't......Hence the difference.

Broner is bell...Barker isn't hence the reason one's liked and one's not. Broner has been dining out on a reputation that he isn't quite deserving of. As he's climbed the ladder, his ability to deal with better quality opponents has been shown to be lacking and it's highlighted flaws in his skillset that he's been able to get away with against the likes of Gavin Rees.

Now's the time to see whether or not he's got the drive to make the necessary changes but his comments do tend to suggest otherwise. For all the criticism levelled at Mayweather, you cannot fault his dedication, drive and work ethic. Broner will do well if he learns to shut the **** up and listen to those who do actually know what's going to be required to make that next step. Unfortunately, he's surrounded himself with too many "Yes" men and those with his best boxing interests at heart are being shoved to the back.

I'm sure his Twitter account is filled with "Pushed myself to the limit at the gym today but still think I need to do more #makeithappen" comments

Barker is better than Broner right.......Okay.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Barker is better than Broner right.......Okay.

   

owen10ozzy wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Barker is better than Broner right.......Okay.

   

It was sarcasm........Like I said some guys win genuine belts of Geale.......Whilst GGG and Martinez are champions...

Some are paper champs.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Barker is better than Broner right.......Okay.

Did I say that...silly boy?

I don't know what "bell" means Mate...(Thought it was a thing you rang to get in your house)..

Not too hot on inner suburban ghetto slang....

I'm refined and have class....Though I'm liberal and have time for all parts of society..

owen10ozzy wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Barker is better than Broner right.......Okay.

   

What happened to 606 poster of the year............

If I've won WUM of the year for the sixth year out of seven print the results........

If not shove it till next year...and I'll work harder on my game during 2014 !!

Ha, they'll be on the way soon Truss! Occupied with putting the V2 Magazine together at the moment which is proving to be a right pain in my rear end! I wondered what Hampo was so happy to pass it off to me!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I don't know what "bell" means Mate...(Thought it was a thing you rang to get in your house)..

Not too hot on inner suburban ghetto slang....

I'm refined and have class....Though I'm liberal and have time for all parts of society..

Ironic give the way you're behaving

Americans don't get irony..

You're English...you call it football, not soccer

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What I have noticed with most Brits (not all) without meaning to be unkind Is that there never is any middle ground....especially with Boxers you dislike..

Hatton was a top fighter before Floyd.........OVERRATED afterward....

Nobody ever said that, that I can remember. Think he gets balanced, and due, credit on these boards. All that has been said to discredit that fight is that Hatton never looked as sharp at 147 as he did at 140.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Barker is liked......Broner isn't......Hence the difference.

One's a gent, the other a complete Tinkywinky.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What I have noticed with most Brits (not all) without meaning to be unkind Is that there never is any middle ground....especially with Boxers you dislike..

Hatton was a top fighter before Floyd.........OVERRATED afterward....

Nobody ever said that, that I can remember.  Think he gets balanced, and due, credit on these boards.  All that has been said to discredit that fight is that Hatton never looked as sharp at 147 as he did at 140.

Like I said Barker is a genuine world champ..Broner a paper champ.

I'd like to know where this undeniable (unrebuttable if you prefer) proof is that the majority on here see Barker as a genuine World Champion and Broner isn't?

All I've seen is people saying good on Barker for winning a belt but he's certainly not the man at the weight and there are probably better fighters out there. I'm sure Barker felt the same at the time. Also, all I've seen is people saying yes, Broner won his belts but hasn't cleared out the divisions (much like Barker) but no-one suggests that Barker is a better or worse boxer than Broner...just that Broner is an absolute clown and Barker seems a nice guy.

Seems YOU'RE the one looking for force an agenda that simply isn't there.

Darren barker tribute thread..........

Dig up any Broner thread from the past you like.....

Or maybe stick to the film section and do us all a favor.

Show us this proof that the majority hold this opinion. Show us....

No need to sulk becasue you're looking a tad silly on this one.

I've shown you where the proof is.....

you made the accusation and haven't justified it.........

I said Broner is a paper champ and Barker is a genuine champ according to the consensus view......I never said the evidence was on this thread..

You called me a liar...........and you can't prove I'm lying..

Onus is on the accuser.......I've given you the sources...

Both were title holders. Not divisional champions.

Exactly.........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've shown you where the proof is.....

you made the accusation and haven't justified it.........

I said Broner is a paper champ and Barker is a  genuine champ according to the consensus view......I never said the evidence was on this thread..

You called me a liar...........and you can't prove I'm lying..

Onus is on the accuser.......I've given you the sources...

Don't be a dick................to use one of your favourite words on here.


Licking up to the mods is unmanly.

Im not interested in Maidana v Broner rematch. He has way better options out there that could be great fights:

Khan, Matthysse, Ortiz, Garcia would be better fights.

I think a rematch with Broner is just throwing Broner to the dogs so they can set up a Mayweather "big bro" grudge match in late 2014.

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've shown you where the proof is.....

you made the accusation and haven't justified it.........

I said Broner is a paper champ and Barker is a  genuine champ according to the consensus view......I never said the evidence was on this thread..

You called me a liar...........and you can't prove I'm lying..

Onus is on the accuser.......I've given you the sources...

Don't be a dick................to use one of your favourite words on here.


Licking up to the mods is unmanly.

What are you talking about ??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've shown you where the proof is.....

you made the accusation and haven't justified it.........

I said Broner is a paper champ and Barker is a  genuine champ according to the consensus view......I never said the evidence was on this thread..

You called me a liar...........and you can't prove I'm lying..

Onus is on the accuser.......I've given you the sources...

Don't be a dick................to use one of your favourite words on here.


Licking up to the mods is unmanly.

What are you talking about ??

What your problem did you become a Mexican all of a sudden?

I'm off home..I knew I shouldn't have bothered asking...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm off home..I knew I shouldn't have bothered asking...

Ta ta....

Broner won't beat Maidana simply because I couldn't bear to see him blabber on about redemption, hopefully Maidana does one better this time, beats him up even more before laying him out. One makes the most of his talent and has beaten genuinely good fighters while the other is just a complete embarrassment to the sport who's done naff all except scrape past Malignaggi.

He's a complete embarrassment to the sport and yet he's won three alphabet titles at different weights...

One Brit in the last fifty years has accomplished that........I believe..

Let's hope some British boxers can become embarrassments in the next few years.

I couldn't give a hoot about his three meaningless alphabet titles when he's a complete twerp.

You make yourself look stupid with remarks like ...embarrassment to the sport...

He'd be a British great..and you know it !

Your an embarrassment to this forum Truss. Shame your not American as you would achieve more on here and get more respect like Broner possibly

I couldn't care less about his nationality and his attitude is something I can't stand, would he be a british great, hell no, he's achieved less than Khan for christ sake.

He is a knob........But easy to come by or not his achievements should be respected....

Three titles at different weights is something many aspire to....

Think he deserves more respect..

Evening Steffan..

If he'd beaten anyone of note i'd respect him a little but he hasn't.

Who do you respect over here.......Quigg ??

Yes I do, he's not a cretin, respect is earned.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What I have noticed with most Brits (not all) without meaning to be unkind Is that there never is any middle ground....especially with Boxers you dislike..

Hatton was a top fighter before Floyd.........OVERRATED afterward....

Nobody ever said that, that I can remember.  Think he gets balanced, and due, credit on these boards.  All that has been said to discredit that fight is that Hatton never looked as sharp at 147 as he did at 140.

Like I said Barker is a genuine world champ..Broner a paper champ.

more make-believe to justify your bitterness after your new hero in waiting got exposed.