IBF orders Froch v Groves rematch!

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Eddie must have pulled some strings there!

Looks like we know why George turned down £1mill. Think he has to have 25% split now.

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tunes666 wrote:nobody would begrudge him that.

Barring Strongy, a man who begrudges most and has grudges against many

Izzi wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Tunes Mate.........The reason the rematch is huge is because of Groves effort the first time.......

In other words he's a big draw for this fight...

So to suggest he should take at best a 20-80 split is an insult........

You are obviously either Froch or someone close to him........and I appreciate your sticking up for him.......

But come on..............IBF split and all this crud..

I'd prefer to look at it that Groves would (this is hypothetical) earn £1m for fighting Froch. He'd only earn £150k for fighting anyone else as he's not going to be able to challenge anyone on Frochs level... I.e. The Wards, Kesslers of this world (and I'm not saying Froch is on the same level as Ward, but rather he has much more chance in getting him) barring Froch himself.

If he's so confident why not take the money and put himself on the world level scene where other doors will open for him?

Froch can and would go elsewhere and still earn a career ending payday. Kessler III, GGG in America etc are guys he'd be aiming at, Groves then gets a euro level fighter etc.

Froch sold out the Kessler rematch in how long in a big arena? He's the draw here and like your beloved #1 obsession from across the pond he holds the aces when it comes to dishing out the lion share of purses.

So If you are worth at least £3 million you should take £1million.............

The IBF are only involved in this because Hearn want them to be. Hes in contact with them the whole time. Do you really think it was Groves on his own that wrote to them and the IBF just said "yeah sure thing George"?

Hearn is trying to be everyone best pal but clearly he want the rematch to happen because it makes him a huge fight. But hes stuck with Froch who doesnt a rematch so he has to find some way of forcing it and the IBF demanding a rematch solves this problem for him.

Then its about maximising things for himself and getting Groves to sign with him so whoever wins the rematch, Hearn will control them. Offering Groves a deal with a load of small sprint looks great because it makes it look like Froch isnt running for the hills when its obvious he is and it puts pressure on Groves to sign with Hearn. The alternative is Groves accepts less of a split in exchange for not signing up to all Hearns stipulations.

And the Chavez thing is a load of balls. This guy will be doing well to beat Vera in his next fight and couldnt give a crap about fighting Froch. Hearn would have to over to the U.S where he is a small fish and let the big US promoters and networks have all the control. He couldnt even flog Chavez on Sky Sports ppv due to it being on at 5am. Froch is no draw over there on his own regardless of how many phony belts he has.

This whole thing is just Hearn trying to hammer out the rematch in the best possible way for himself.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Izzi wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Tunes Mate.........The reason the rematch is huge is because of Groves effort the first time.......

In other words he's a big draw for this fight...

So to suggest he should take at best a 20-80 split is an insult........

You are obviously either Froch or someone close to him........and I appreciate your sticking up for him.......

But come on..............IBF split and all this crud..

I'd prefer to look at it that Groves would (this is hypothetical) earn £1m for fighting Froch. He'd only earn £150k for fighting anyone else as he's not going to be able to challenge anyone on Frochs level... I.e. The Wards, Kesslers of this world (and I'm not saying Froch is on the same level as Ward, but rather he has much more chance in getting him) barring Froch himself.

If he's so confident why not take the money and put himself on the world level scene where other doors will open for him?

Froch can and would go elsewhere and still earn a career ending payday. Kessler III, GGG in America etc are guys he'd be aiming at, Groves then gets a euro level fighter etc.

Froch sold out the Kessler rematch in how long in a big arena? He's the draw here and like your beloved #1 obsession from across the pond he holds the aces when it comes to dishing out the lion share of purses.

So If you are worth at least £3 million you should take £1million.............

Bit of a prat aren't you...

Not as much of a prat as yourself sir. You assume he's worth £3m, yet wouldn't get any other fight with someone who'll fight him for the sort of money he's earn against Froch.

Froch on the other hand 'could' get GGG which would be a big fight across the pond and WOULD get picked up by either HBO or Showtime (can't remember which one GGG is with), thus he's not losing out whereas Groves would and then has to build himself back up for a shot at one of the other guys on Frochs level.

Hope you don't do a job that entails much more than pressing a single button fella

He is worth £3million you dumbass.............Because they are talking about a soccer stadium to satisfy the demand........

Are they all going to watch Froch........

It's a big fight because of his effort last time..

It's a hard sport and you get what you're worth.....

As for your little pop at the end.......Who cares.......Your racist pop at Kazakhstani's said everything as to your MATURITY..

Izzi wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Tunes Mate.........The reason the rematch is huge is because of Groves effort the first time.......

In other words he's a big draw for this fight...

So to suggest he should take at best a 20-80 split is an insult........

You are obviously either Froch or someone close to him........and I appreciate your sticking up for him.......

But come on..............IBF split and all this crud..

I'd prefer to look at it that Groves would (this is hypothetical) earn £1m for fighting Froch. He'd only earn £150k for fighting anyone else as he's not going to be able to challenge anyone on Frochs level... I.e. The Wards, Kesslers of this world (and I'm not saying Froch is on the same level as Ward, but rather he has much more chance in getting him) barring Froch himself.

If he's so confident why not take the money and put himself on the world level scene where other doors will open for him?

Froch can and would go elsewhere and still earn a career ending payday. Kessler III, GGG in America etc are guys he'd be aiming at, Groves then gets a euro level fighter etc.

Froch sold out the Kessler rematch in how long in a big arena? He's the draw here and like your beloved #1 obsession from across the pond he holds the aces when it comes to dishing out the lion share of purses.

Without wanting to sound blunt it doesn't matter a damn what Groves would get fighting anybody else. He is negotiating with Hearn to fight Froch in order to get the biggest payday he can based on the public wanting to see this fight.

If a Have v Fury in the MEN was going to be a £10 million fight then I don't see Froch v Groves in a football stadium being a kick in the arse off the same figure.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He is worth £3million you dumbass.............Because they are talking about a soccer stadium to satisfy the demand........

Are they all going to watch Froch........

It's a big fight because of his effort last time..

It's a hard sport and you get what you're worth.....

As for your little pop at the end.......Who cares.......Your racist pop at Kazakhstani's said everything as to your MATURITY..

Says he who labelled yours truly a prat.

Pot kettle black, google it.

Izzi wrote:Pot kettle black, google it.

Carry on insulting each other and whilst your at it you can both google boxing forums other than 606v2.

I'll stay on this one till Ja606 has more members..

You'd love it over there Truss, lescargo is on there. You and him used to get on like a house on fire.

Shame he doesn't come here........We could do with more knowledgeable types...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hatton had an army of Brits.......Behind him......which helped sell arenas.....and a very exciting crowd pleasing style........He also had a man-of-the people personality.......As did Bruno.

Groves has none of the above.........

There is no British market in America........

If he was Irish or hispanic that would be different.........

Jorge "Santa" O'Groves...I like it...actually no, I don't.

Shame though isn't when an intelligent, articulate, pleasant young man like Groves can't get exposure because America is too busy twiddling its collective nipple over idiots like Broner.

Broner is American............We support our stars.........not slag them off all the time because they excel............and you prefer losers...

Doesn't matter if he's American, Armenian or from Altringham...the guy is an idiot...who happens to be very good at boxing (although not as good as he thinks he is). I've no doubts about his ability, I simply question where you get the idea that our dislike of him is based on anything other than his actions which range from highly irritating to loathsome.

As for preferring losers, you may have a point as you and Steffan are my favourite posters in the whole wide world.

Froch has options, Groves does not.

Froch is champ, Groves is not.

There for Froch is in the driving seat.

Groves will make more money than any other fight he can get... Froch can still get good money else where. If Groves is not in a good enough bargaining position to get the money he wants then he should go and win a couple more fights and maybe strap and come back and talk... or take the IBF approved offer... Simples.

What options does Froch have tunes?

A pipe dream fight with Chavez and a spanking from Ward - both for less money.

hampo171 wrote:What options does Froch have tunes?

Have you forgotten Tunes is Froch's #1 fanboy??

catchweight wrote:A pipe dream fight with Chavez and a spanking from Ward - both for less money.

  

haven't forgotten just want to see who he suggests

Not being able to spell 'therefore' wasn't a great start.....

Think people have gone over the top on Froch a bit......

Great performance to come back from having no legs for three rounds and turning it around....A real Championship effort......

Most on here probably think like I do...Crap stoppage though it was.... he was going to win......

He's had no congratulations for the win.....

He's hardly likely to want to fight a guy who is constantly nagging him.......

He has fought the best in the past........

Saying that he should return with Groves..........and Chavez looks like a duck......

But a bit more kudos for a great-British career could be in order..

It's more the way he's gone about things Truss.

He's set himself up for a fall, basically.

When you brag about taking on all comers and fighting the best, choosing to take an easier fight over an tougher one doesn't sit well with that ethos.

Plus, he's spent so much of his career either whingeing at JC for a shot or Ward for a rematch (the latter of whom comprehensively beat him), therefore being so dismissive of Groves also doesn't accord.

I don't know how you can get to 'he was going to win'. There was little to suggest as much (unless you put weight on the dodgy scorecards). He should have been well behind on the scorecards and even with a 10-8 in that round he would've needed every other round to take it by a single point.

Good come back, yes, but nothing decisive enough to suggest he had turned the fight around.

The other thing has turned a lot of casual fans away from Froch is his idiotic brother on twitter. Not sure why that clown thinks he's better than everyone else but he's a grade A idiot.

I see a lot of Larry Holmes in Froch........  

Calzaghe is his Ali.........and he is always being compared unfavorably........

Thinks he has to keep telling people his achievements in the wrong assumption that it may change perception.........People unfortunately will always make up their own minds !!

I don't think he's scared of Groves.......Just that he thinks losing to a Brit may tarnish everything he's worked for...

I think he believes he'll win but is worried what may happen If he gets "caught" again and doesn't.......

Whatever Froch does he will always be in Joe's shade..........

I think though he has a beautiful family and lot's of money etc.......He will always be slightly bitter about his standing....

He shouldn't be he is blessed......But fighters have huge pride.........and the mind tends to be a negative place.......

Just ask DAVE669.......

Good post, think I agree for the most part.

I'm not listening...or am I?

Just read Groves would be getting paid double from what he earnt in their first fight.

To me it's simple - Groves is ducking and doesn't want to get taken in the trenches as his bumhole is still sore from what the warrior did to it as that's what warriors do in the trenches and George still has mud under his nails from when he got dragged by his feet in to the trenches coz warriors don't carry men or feel sorry for them warriors drag them in to trenches where a warrior goes to work

Could you translate that into English

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Could you translate that into English

Warriors. Trenches. Man loving. Groves doesn't want it.

Can't believe that Groves would go to all this trouble, and I would guess he paid a fair wedge to get in front of the IBF, to the duck the right.

What I understand the original contract was rejected because it had several clauses that tied him in to fighting under Hearn for a number of subsequent fights, something that he wasn't happy with. So actually I don't think it's the money that's the issue, I think that it's the extras that Hearn tried to throw in that caused the issues.

Howard Foster has resigned as an IBF referee amongst all of this as well so I guess that rules him out of the rematch.

hampo171 wrote:Can't believe that Groves would go to all this trouble, and I would guess he paid a fair wedge to get in front of the IBF, to the duck the right.

What I understand the original contract was rejected because it had several clauses that tied him in to fighting under Hearn for a number of subsequent fights, something that he wasn't happy with. So actually I don't think it's the money that's the issue, I think that it's the extras that Hearn tried to throw in that caused the issues.

Howard Foster has resigned as an IBF referee amongst all of this as well so I guess that rules him out of the rematch.

Maybe they'll get the ref that ref'd the Danny Williams fight in Spain?

If you thought Foster was an imbecile you want to check this guy out:

http://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEB5F477C2B67A585&desktop_uri=%2Fplaylist%3Flist%3DPLEB5F477C2B67A585

I don't think I've ever been more infuriated than watching that ref from the Williams fight in Spain. The single worst display of Refereeing in the history of boxing, even worse that Reid vs Otke.

You've never lived.............

Joey Curtis........You either got killed by late stoppage......Or you got stopped before you had a mark on you..

From memory Vivian Harris got stopped after he got caught and put his forehead on the guys chest.... Ref waved it off and neither fighter was sure what has happened.

Still can't believe he lost to Maussa, quite possibly one of the weirdest fighters to watch as he threw those great big arching almost slappy hooks but somehow still managed to catch him?! For a totally rubbish fighter he got a few half decent paydays from memory.

Thing is about the ref in the Williams fight is that he was just incompetent, I don't think he was that biased.

As for Howard Foster, we know he's not incompetent so make your own minds up.

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:Thing is about the ref in the Williams fight is that he was just incompetent, I don't think he was on the take.

As for Howard Foster, well that's a different story.

You can't say that Mate...I suggest it's taken off.

Thanks for quoting it.

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:Thanks for quoting it.

It's okay Mate....The mods think it's okay.....So it's alright by me..

That's cos after these press passes from Eddie, they're clearly on the take too.

Corruption in boxing is rife.

Froch's brother has continued to be a tallywacker on twitter tonight. Maybe we can all just pay for groves to fight him instead?

However I do still think that everything has just been a ploy building up the fight further. I fully expect the rematch to happen this year.

Groves has had his split purse appeal turned down. Board has voted unanimously that Froch gets 85-15.

Well done George, now go back and beg for the 25% and sign the ruddy contract you ginger imbecile.

Not as smart as you think you are eh?!

Groves has been very smart. He had nothing to lose appealing to the IBF for a higher split.

catchweight wrote:Groves has been very smart. He had nothing to lose appealing to the IBF for a higher split.

You mean other than the 10% he's just lost ?

No he can go right back and take hearns original offer if he wants or he can take the 15% without the small print. Hearn is much happier if groves takes the original dezl as he will have rights over him. Nothing has changed.

What is the value of the fight?????



If it's 5 million then 15% is £750,000 and that is more than twice what Groves got for the first fight and there are no add on fight conditions.


If Haye v Fury was £10 million then Froch v Groves in a football stadium on Sky PPV can't be that far off.

seanmichaels wrote:

catchweight wrote:Groves has been very smart. He had nothing to lose appealing to the IBF for a higher split.

You mean other than the 10% he's just lost ?

Groves was only ever getting 15%. That is the IBF rule on mandatory challengers they rank outside the Top 3.

Groves appealed the 15% rule and lost. He is no worse off.

This is a gamble for Groves, he really has to win now - very few gave him a chance last time but he'd be favourite going into the rematch given the number he did on Froch in the early rounds. Its hard to pick a winner though.

I really hope this happens and lives up to the hype and doesn't end up a Eubank/Benn II .

Strongback wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

catchweight wrote:Groves has been very smart. He had nothing to lose appealing to the IBF for a higher split.

You mean other than the 10% he's just lost ?

Groves was only ever getting 15%.  That is the IBF rule on mandatory challengers they rank outside the Top 3.

Groves appealed the 15% rule and lost.  He is no worse off.

He was offered 25% by Hearns. If he loses the rematch he is substantially worse off. Not a massive loss if he wins but a big gamblke to take.

seanmichaels wrote:

Strongback wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

catchweight wrote:Groves has been very smart. He had nothing to lose appealing to the IBF for a higher split.

You mean other than the 10% he's just lost ?

Groves was only ever getting 15%.  That is the IBF rule on mandatory challengers they rank outside the Top 3.

Groves appealed the 15% rule and lost.  He is no worse off.

He was offered 25% by Hearns. If he loses the rematch he is substantially worse off. Not a massive loss if he wins but a big gamblke to take.

Hearn hasn't said he offered 25%. The IBF rules were never 25%, only 15%

We don't know what the fight is worth in revenue so we don't know what percentage Eddie offered. Eddie said it was a seven figure sum so probably a million or so.  It's possible that groves will still get that amount.

It's all speculation but I don't see Groves ending up worse off than the original seven figure offer from Hearn and there won't be a 3 or 4 fight add on clause in the contract handcuffing Groves to Matchroom.

The problem for Froch and Hearn is that Groves is a likeable nerdy type who speaks very well and goes on the radio and TV all the time and presents his case well...

We all know the rematch sells because of Groves performance the first time and perceived injustice...

Hence Boxing fans give or take a fewuneducated idiots or Froch I CANNOT TYPE A SENTENCE WITHOUT RESORTING TO VULGAR LANGUAGE.. know what he's worth...

So the 15-20% argument doesn't wash.............

Groves is a very impressive young Man and doesn't fit the stereotype of a Boxer...

rodders wrote:This is a gamble for Groves, he really has to win now - very few gave him a chance last time but he'd be favourite going into the rematch given the number he did on Froch in the early rounds. Its hard to pick a winner though.

I really hope this happens and lives up to the hype and doesn't end up a Eubank/Benn II .

My feeling is Groves is like the lower ranked team who performs brilliantly in an FA Cup final only to get a draw and then gets hammered by the big team in the replay. E.g. Man U v Brighton.

Unless Froch has faded further I think he has enough especially as he knows he took Groves best and was turning the fight around. By the end Groves had started to look puffed.

I got the first fight all wrong though so who knows.