GEORGE GROVES - Starting mind games early?

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Just hearing on the radio that George Groves is petitioning the BBBC to have his fight with Froch declared a No Contest due to Howard Foster's error (essentially a view upheld by the IBF)

Now I'm sure there ar any number of posters who will simply see this as sheer desperation on the part of Groves and a clear indicator that he lacks the emotional maturity to accept defeat and move on with his life and career.

However, a part of me thinks that this is simply the start of a sustained and prolonged psychological warfare campaign designed to upset Froch and get under his skin once again. We all saw how Groves reduced Froch to tears during the Sky Sports interview with his unwillingness to bend in the face of Froch's verbal assault and his ability to match and beat Carl at his own game.

I think George is playing a very clever game here and come fight night, Froch won't know (to quote my Dad) whether to sh!t or go blind.

I look forward to seeing what George has up his sleeve next.

DAVE667 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Can we all agree that he most important thing is that this fight happens? I mean, Dave can as lick Groves all he wants, but this fight needs to go ahead. It has captured the public, not just ours, but mass public attention and it has to happen. Only one person is holding this fight up now, and that is Groves and his demands. Froch didn't want it, maybe, but he will do it so long as he gets the majority of the purse, and he should. Like or loathe Froch, he is the champ and he DID WIN the first fight, whether you think it a poor stoppage or not.

DAVE667 can slag Froch all he wants, but this fight needs to happen and Groves is the oen making it tricky right now. All this talk of options. Get real, George. You have no belt and no other world champ lined up at SM. Even if you did, good luck making 7 figures v Bika or Ward, and Ward would bosh you like a boshy faced bishbosher

Perhaps Groves is wanting something appraoching a fair/reasonable split....although as none of us knows exactly who has been offered what, we've no way of knowing who if anyone is being greedy or unreasonable.

Seven figures is reasonable. And he is going to win, isn't he? So take this purse (his biggest by a mile btw) and move on with your belts when you win.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Can we all agree that the most important thing is that this fight happens? I mean, Dave can as lick Groves all he wants, but this fight needs to go ahead. It has captured the public, not just ours, but mass public attention and it has to happen. Only one person is holding this fight up now, and that is Groves and his demands. Froch didn't want it, maybe, but he will do it so long as he gets the majority of the purse, and he should. Like or loathe Froch, he is the champ and he DID WIN the first fight, whether you think it a poor stoppage or not.
 
DAVE667 can slag Froch all he wants, but this fight needs to happen and Groves is the oen making it tricky right now. All this talk of options. Get real, George. You have no belt and no other world champ lined up at SM. Even if you did, good luck making 7 figures v Bika or Ward, and Ward would bosh you like a boshy faced bishbosher

How far over, exactly, do you think GG should bend? Should he lube himself up or let Hearn or Froch do it for him.......?

You act like Hearn won't want to promote Groves if he wins. A new, young, skilled British world champ. He isn't shafting him. Froch is the proven draw. Groves is a draw thanks to Froch. Froch is the champ. Froch won the first fight. Beat Froch in the second fight and the world is your oyster. Oh, and make seven figures. He could go back to BoxNation, or rematch Degale for a couple hundred grand. Or perhaps fight Bika for about the same, or fight Ward and get his backside handed to him for about half of what the Froch fight brings. Or he could just shut up.

Seanusarrilius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Can we all agree that he most important thing is that this fight happens? I mean, Dave can as lick Groves all he wants, but this fight needs to go ahead. It has captured the public, not just ours, but mass public attention and it has to happen. Only one person is holding this fight up now, and that is Groves and his demands. Froch didn't want it, maybe, but he will do it so long as he gets the majority of the purse, and he should. Like or loathe Froch, he is the champ and he DID WIN the first fight, whether you think it a poor stoppage or not.

DAVE667 can slag Froch all he wants, but this fight needs to happen and Groves is the oen making it tricky right now. All this talk of options. Get real, George. You have no belt and no other world champ lined up at SM. Even if you did, good luck making 7 figures v Bika or Ward, and Ward would bosh you like a boshy faced bishbosher

Perhaps Groves is wanting something appraoching a fair/reasonable split....although as none of us knows exactly who has been offered what, we've no way of knowing who if anyone is being greedy or unreasonable.

Seven figures is reasonable. And he is going to win, isn't he? So take this purse (his biggest by a mile btw) and move on with your belts when you win.

But suggestions are that there are certain stipulations attached which is why the seven figure sum isn't such a wonder deal after all.

Groves is a wally...If he is worth 3 million he should take 1 million....obvious is it not

DAVE667 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Can we all agree that he most important thing is that this fight happens? I mean, Dave can as lick Groves all he wants, but this fight needs to go ahead. It has captured the public, not just ours, but mass public attention and it has to happen. Only one person is holding this fight up now, and that is Groves and his demands. Froch didn't want it, maybe, but he will do it so long as he gets the majority of the purse, and he should. Like or loathe Froch, he is the champ and he DID WIN the first fight, whether you think it a poor stoppage or not.

DAVE667 can slag Froch all he wants, but this fight needs to happen and Groves is the oen making it tricky right now. All this talk of options. Get real, George. You have no belt and no other world champ lined up at SM. Even if you did, good luck making 7 figures v Bika or Ward, and Ward would bosh you like a boshy faced bishbosher

Perhaps Groves is wanting something appraoching a fair/reasonable split....although as none of us knows exactly who has been offered what, we've no way of knowing who if anyone is being greedy or unreasonable.

Seven figures is reasonable. And he is going to win, isn't he? So take this purse (his biggest by a mile btw) and move on with your belts when you win.

 But suggestions are that there are certain stipulations attached which is why the seven figure sum isn't such a wonder deal after all.

 
Stipulations like, hmmmm, fight for Hearn for 4 fights? Hearn does a good job for his stars. Look at the pap he has landed world title fights for a start. Then there is what he did with Froch and Barker.

It's not Hearn's decision on who promotes groves though and as a mandatory Groves can decide against such stipulations. Doesn't matter in the slightest how good Hearn has been to past fighters. Groves has to get the best deal for himself.

He will and the fight will happen as the money is too big.

Fighter wants to control his own destiny...How dare he!!

He can control his own destiny, but he can also fight for Hearn, if he so wishes.

Not necessarily..........

DAVE667 wrote:

Had that first round been another thirty seconds long, Froch would have been stopped and damn near everyone who saw the fight believes it.

This is one of the stranger arguments being repeated here and there. Pro boxing rounds are three minutes long, so what does it matter if the round was, for some reason, 3 minutes and 30 seconds long?

Page and Coetzee's rounds were nearly 4 minutes long.........

Africans tried to use it as justification for keeping the useless plodder's belt in the Country..

Despite the fact it was their own appointed timekeeper..

just a bit of useless info..

Was a big fan of George but his petulence and irritating gurn are starting to grate now. I hope this rematch does get sorted soon so Groves stops whining.

Its surprising how many on here have switched opinions on Froch in the last twelve months and now love to give him abuse.

If this rematch happens, I think Froch will win again. Carl can come across like a muppet when speaking agreed but his will to win should never be written off...

You'd never get that kind of guff out of the dark destroyer.

Nice to see Haito back on here........Him and Cast are much missed...

Ps Haito... If It's a fleeting visit.. when you leave....could you take Strongy with you ??.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Nice to see Haito back on here........Him and Cast are much missed...

Ps Haito... If It's a fleeting visit.. when you leave....could you take Strongy with you ??.

Have you forgotten the password to log in as cast or something???

Haito wrote:Was a big fan of George but his petulence and irritating gurn are starting to grate now. I hope this rematch does get sorted soon so Groves stops whining.

Its surprising how many on here have switched opinions on Froch in the last twelve months and now love to give him abuse.

If this rematch happens, I think Froch will win again. Carl can come across like a muppet when speaking agreed but his will to win should never be written off...

George Groves was brilliant on the night and made Froch look foolish for long periods of the fight. Froch is one of the luckiest fighters around.

Think I'm going to start calling him ugly kid.

tunes666 wrote:Think I'm going to start calling him ugly kid.

Did wonder where you'd gone tunes... Was expecting you to be all over this like a rabid rabbit

There is too much bias on both sides of the argument on this thread..

Groves should hold out for the right price

Froch did win the first fight legitimately

No one knows whether it was the shot that made it close or whether Groves has his number

The thing is Truss, and this is trying to be subjective, is that Groves biggest win is at euro level. I find it hard how he can make a case for saying 60-40 or whatever it is he's after.

On the other side we don't know what the stipulations were that Hearns wanted... To suggest it makes Groves completely within his right (as he's not released details) to refuse is also a bit wide of the mark, in my opinion.

As a fan I just want the fight signed, as far as I can see Groves is the one putting up the roadblocks to it happening and seems to be distracting most by appealing decisions etc rather than getting down to the nitty gritty by signing the damn contract.

Coming in front another angle I wouldn't be surprised if this is one big PR stunt by Hearns, could be getting Groves to do all this to keep the fight in the media. Hearns and Froch have been surprisingly quiet after all.

If the rematch is going to be three times bigger than the first fight....Then Groves deserves adequate recompense because he's the reason why

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If the rematch is going to be three times bigger than the first fight....Then Groves deserves adequate recompense because he's the reason why

Pretty sure there was another guy in there that helped make it one of the best fights of the year.

Yes but if he fought anyone else it wouldn't be a huge fight...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Yes but if he fought anyone else it wouldn't be a huge fight...

Ba-ding, same for Groves. Froch 'has' other big fights he could take or chase - Groves can't chase those fights. Which is why he needs to sign the damn contract and if he beats Froch thennnnnn he gets those fights.

Can we get a Q&A with both in the lead up to the fight?

NO one is arguing Froch shouldn't get a big share though FFS...

Izzi wrote:The thing is Truss, and this is trying to be subjective, is that Groves biggest win is at euro level. .

But I suppose when WARRIOR FROCH beat the ROAD WARRIOR that was actually a 'world level fight because warrior Froch only fights world level fighters and is the international trench-fighting superstar'?

Izzi wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If the rematch is going to be three times bigger than the first fight....Then Groves deserves adequate recompense because he's the reason why

Pretty sure there was another guy in there that helped make it one of the best fights of the year.

The guy getting beat up only for the ref to save him?

If Froch had blasted Groves out of there as promised, nobody would be talking about a rematch. The reason they ARE talking about it is because Groves caused an upset and gave the 'champ' the second most conclusive beating in his career.

Never seen a FOTY candidate as one where one guy gets beaten up? Usually it's ebb and flow that allows fight to make it in to that category.

Revisionist thinking here fella. Check out Groves face, suppose it's blemish free and he too wasn't taking punishment? Wasn't a one sided beating no matter which way you want to look at it. Oh and Taylor had outclassed Froch more than Groves did, so make it number 3

Not blemish free at all, he took a fair few shots himself.

Point is, it was a FOTY candidate because of GROVES' performance surprising everyone and nearly upsetting the 'champ', not because Froch hung on in and threw enough back to mark up GG.

No grey areas in this fight ...Love or Loathe

Sam_London wrote:

Haito wrote:Was a big fan of George but his petulence and irritating gurn are starting to grate now. I hope this rematch does get sorted soon so Groves stops whining.

Its surprising how many on here have switched opinions on Froch in the last twelve months and now love to give him abuse.

If this rematch happens, I think Froch will win again. Carl can come across like a muppet when speaking agreed but his will to win should never be written off...

George Groves was brilliant on the night and made Froch look foolish for long periods of the fight. Froch is one of the luckiest fighters around.

Groves was very good. Granted, but why is Froch the luckiest fighter around??. He got floored in the first and Groves was on top until the mid rounds for sure. Carl did start to turn the tide though from this point and was starting to take some rounds himself. He had Groves scrambling in the 9th and the fight was stopped. Yes it was premature and harsh on Groves but nobody knows what would have happened if the fight had continued, To call Froch the "luckiest fighter around" is a tad overboard.

Izzi wrote:

tunes666 wrote:Think I'm going to start calling him ugly kid.

Did wonder where you'd gone tunes... Was expecting you to be all over this like a rabid rabbit

Now and again m need to let others take a slice :P

Probably is mind games but all the same, I feel Groves is bang on. These brainfarts by the officials shouldn't be allowed to stand when they so often are. Some recorded wins are travesties, why should they be allowed into the history books?