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2013/2014 Squad

Senior Squad Size: 40
Academy Squad Size: 18

Key:
England Qualified
England Qualified Academy Player
Academy Player not England Qualified

Chris Brooker
Kevin Mealamu
Richard Hibbard
Will Tanner
Tom Dunn

Cian Healy
Charlie Faumuania
Ricky Reeves

Davit Kubrashvilli
James Slipper
Euan Murray
Carl Rimmer

Tom Ellis  
George Merrick
Charlie Ewels
Jake Oldaker
Graham Kitchener
Sam Whitelock
Jarrad Hoeata
Luke Romano
Andries Bekker

Max Nortcote-Green
Will Skuse
Juan Martin Fernando Lobbe
Tom Guest
Will Welch
James Haskell
David Seymour
David Pocock
Chris Henry
Brad Shields
Jerome Kaino
Rhys Ruddock

Fourie Du Preez
Morgen Parra
Richard Wigglesworth 
Alex Day (on loan)

Charlie Hodgson
Dan Biggar
Rhys Patchell
Oliver Deveto

Hallan Amos
Ben Mosses
Sam Hill
Ashley Beck
Darren Cave
Rob Horne
Jonathan Davies
Anthony Allen
Luther Burrell

Rob Miller
Miles Benjamin
Cory Jane
George North
Stuart Hogg
Napolioni Nalaga
Richard Lane
6 fingered tractor boy Woodburn
Jack Arnott

Can't lose Simpson, Attwood or any of my starters for him - he's a good player but not as much potential as Heathcoate who I think you've let go for £1.5m. With Donald coming to Bath he's going to find it ahrd to get a bench spot.

Could do Geraghty plus £10m & Mason?

Wait to see the highlights of today's game - think Heathcoate is the best player in Bath's academy by a long shot. You might want to get Olly Woodburn into your academy pronto - he's a real prospect and plays wing. You've also got a very good lock called Will Spencer - he's better than any of your other forwards you have. There;s another no9 who looks good called Ceyte or Keyte (something like that) - meant to be very highly thought of.

Ben Williams is a good player, I like him but you;ve got 4 players in your team who are better than him and in real life he's going to be playing reserve team rugby for the foreseeable future - Hipkiss, Banahan, Donald, Barkley, Vesty and Carraro all ahead of him...up to you, thought the above deal was pretty good when you take all that into account.

Completely up to you - he's going to take 2-3 years before he's a first team player at Bath - they pay Hipkiss, Banahan and Barkley too much money to let him play first team.

Am happy with my centres, just like Williams as did some legal work for him at my old law firm - we were Bath's legal team

What about Lionel Beauxis and one of my better young playerrs Jack Wallace for Ben Williams?

I wouldnt want a guy who got Toulouse a 56 point win either this week...

Interested in Williams and Mercer

Let me know if any of these interest you for him.

PR Sakaria Taulafo (Samoa) (3)
PR Nic Mayhew (E)
PR Bob Baker (1 or 3)
FL Sione Kalamafoni (Tonga)
FL Alexander Lapandy (France)
FL/N8 Luke Watson (South Africa)
N8 Ryan Kankowski (South Africa)
SH Stuart Commins (SA/E)
FH Lionel Beauxis (French)
CE/FB Shane Geraghty (E)
CE Matt Hopper (E)
CE Willie Mason (Australia)
CE Luke Eves (E)
CE Casey Laulala (NZ)
WG Julian Savea (NZ)
FB Myles Dorrian (Australia)

All mine are pretty much in the England squad, whilst Williams is 5th choice centre at Bath. At the end of the day its up to you, but players I've listed could improve your squad, whilst you are already strong in the centre area.

Could always do a deal when I loan you Williams back for the season too.

Fair offer, I think I'd need Williams to lose Gray. Anything:

Williams + Mercer

Gray + ?

Would do Jack Wallace, Sam Harrison and one of the players I listed above for Williams - that way I lose two very good youngsters and a top level player.

Julian Savea and Jack Wallace then - Jack Wallace is a very good player at Wasps, Savea world junior player of the year a season ago. Sam Harrison is playing more for Tigers and I think I bought him off you for £11m a season or so ago, so obviously he's a good player too.

I don't think I could go above that - three good youngsters, who I believe have all played more first team matches than Williams.

Could do Lindsay if you sent Thompson back my way

Up to you mate - quite happy to keep hold of Savea, they'll develop him along nicely.

Could do Harrison, Wallace, Lualala and Kalamafoni (no8 for Tonga who smashed France to pieces) for him, or something like that.

I wont bother, have offered as much as I can do for a player who is 4/5th choice for his club and whose game time is going to be limited behind Donald, Barkley, Hipkiss, Banahana and Carraro.

He's a good player but I'm not going to lose any of the players that are eitther in the England squad or will be come 6 Nations.

I've offered as fair as I could do, good young players and internationals, can't do any more than that.-

What for Anthoney Allen?

Just need an English hook really. Can't lose Benjamin too. Could add a squad player

Nothing major. Lindsay + Gray is a big offer, just need an English hook for bench really.

Won't be much as I think Lindsay & Gray are a bit ahead of those two, maybe Woods

I'd be happy to offer similar england players of the level that Pooly is offering for Williams. THe English guys you asked for were way ahead of Pooly's so give me some names that are a bit closer and I will see what I can do.

Wades 10 times better than Williams mate. Leading scorer in the AP, setting the league alight with his tries.

Could do Gray plus a tweak for Williams

More than what I wanted to lose tbh, I'll have a think

If you want a straight swap then I would potentially do Jackson Wray - he's started every game for Sarries this season, better than Gray too.

Funny how Wray is better than Gray yet Gray started ahead of him for England U20 and was also captain of the side. Can't just make stuff up Chris

Wray was to old for the Under 20's last season year, was born in 1990.

Pooly and just how many games has Wray played for Sarries this season? And just how much better has he developed than Gray over the last 12 months...

I'm probably going to cancel that deal proposal as Wray's a great player and is in an area where England lack any prospects - he's way ahead of Gray at the moment, Gray isnt a first team started.

Chris, Wray is not way ahead of Gray, there is nothing between the pair of them. Both have started games recently for the club, the only difference is that now all of the World Cup players are back, Wray will face a stiffer challenge for a shirt, which may be the making of him as he will have to raise his game to get in. On the other hand, Gray will be likely to get more gametime, which may well aid his development more. Either one could go on to be a long term option at 8 for England.

As Steve said, Wray is older so should be further ahead. Gray IS starting for Irish and U20 England captain.

Welch (England U20 flanker & starts for Falcons) is also added to the deal so not seeing your point.

I'll get back to you later on deal Fastlane

Thanks Pete

I put Wray quite a bit ahead at the moment because Gray hasnt got the build yet to be a top class backrow player, he's quite small skinny, whilst Wray is more of backrow build. I trained Wray at my old club and he's a very, very good player. THink Gray has got just as much potential its just that I think Wray's at the better club to bring through backrow talent.

Sarries seem to have a bit of a bad rep for all the South Africans they have, but they are bringing through a load of great English players - really regret selling Farrell to you now Pete - he's going to be pushing Flood soon enough!

I may be biased, but London Irish are every bit as good as Saracens in bringing talent through from the academy. Gray, actually reminds me of a young Lawrence Dallaglio in terms of build and playing style. If he goes on to fill out and achieve half of what Dayglo did, then he'll have had a very good career.

How are Sarries better at bringing on talent than Irish?

Hasn't worked for Saull who's never kicked on. Gray is taller than Wray who is quite short for an 8 so I'd expect him to be rangier.

I thought you'd put Wray ahead of Gray as he's your player, I wouldn't.

I think Irish are very good at bringing through backs, but not so sure about the forwards - Sarries spend so much on their academy its untrue, they are trying to get all the best coaches and facilities - your going to have a load of top players come through for you Pete!

Saints probably have the best academy for forwards at the moment, you getting Waller was a shrewd move (again!) - he's very good but wait til you see Haywood player a few more games at hooker.

Yeah but at the same time Williams is 4-5th choice centre at Bath now - Barkley, Banahan, Hipkiss, Vesty and Carrarro.

What for Will Spencer in your academy? £1.5m?

Prob need Steyn and some kind of gain back mate

Can't see anything else mate, no probs

Would you take 5 mil for Woodburn?

Interested in Kubs mate. Would you do Kubs and 3m for Werner Kruger and Chris Jones to boast your EQ?

5 mil for Woodburn?

What for Mercer/Williams?

I think Gray is a little ahead of Mercer mate but could include him in something.

I think we tried before but anything in:

Mercer + Williams

Gray + ?

Any other positions than centre your after? You look a little light at LH, could include Shiells (been starting LH for Falcons and is tipped for big things)

How about Roncero in something? Gives you a top LH during 6N

Lol...of course he does! Starts every game for Stade, he's only 33. Ledesma was 38 I think and Scelzo 35?!?! Like to play on these Argies.

He's the one who mad the Worcester prop cry last week lol

How about

Cook + Mercer for Gray?

what for monye, shingler, grindal?

stowers, de kock, botes, basteraud, tiesi, tagicakibau, basson, hala'ufia, kefu, tui'polotu

1.Healy
2.Best
3.Murrey
4.Deacon
5.Whitelock
6.Lydiate
7.Armitage
8.JMF Lobbe

9.Wigglesworth
10.Hodgson
11.Monye
12.EFS
13.Rougerie
14.Medard
15.Beale

1. Cian Healy
2. Kevin Mealamu
3. Davit Kubrashvilli
4. Louis Deacon
5. Sam Whitelock
6. Sean O'Brien
7. Steffon Armitage
8. JMF Lobbe

09. Richard Wigglesworth
10. Charlie Hodgson
11. Ugo Monye
12. Francois Steyn
13. Aurelien Rougerie
14. Maxime Medard
15. Kurtley Beale

Healy
Mealamu
Kubra
Deacon
Whitelock
Lydiate
Armitage
JMF
Wigglesworth
Hodgson
Monye
Steyn
Rougerie
Medard
Beale