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We're using these pages for transfers now Fan

https://www.606v2.com/f225-big-jim-white-s-transfer-section

Yeah got it

pretty happy with that to start my campaign with

Joel Obi & Ezequiel Schelotto


are available if anyone interested

Morning,

So Viva, do you still believe in Moyes?
I dont. Calling him tactically inept isnt harsh enough for him.
I dont but into the excuse he has sh!t players to work with. Same players were fine last season & Im confident when I say I bet those same players would be playing better under someone like Jose, Pep, Klopp, Wenger etc.

Ive had enough of the same poor setup, tactics every single match. Moyes is a wasteman, simple as.

Biggest difference for me last was pressure. Chelsea and City self imploded, United could cruise. Combine that with a fit and in form RVP and it makes a big difference. SAF wouldn't be any higher than 4th with this squad. Said it for years, the midfield is beyond dire. Key players in the defense were allowed to get too old without viable replacements. SAF was a great manager but he definitely got out while the going was good.

Or on the other side of the argument:

Morning 

I believe we should give him time Nick, if you're going to sack him who do we bring in Jose, Pep, Klopp and Wenger won't take the United team. The United team was a mess when Sir Alex left us the club needs rebuilding and that don't happen in 7 months. Moyes is not Sir Alex and you need to understand that, we should give him three years at least before we doing anything. I agree his tactics are not right, players look disjointed don't know what to do but they shouldn't be undermining the manager. Van Persie talking to Dutch tv, Ferdinand on Twitter etc. Players need to take a hard look at themselves only rooney and de Gea have performed this season it's easy to blame manager but plays are to blame aswell.

I can see what you mean GSC but SAF would still motivate them better & have better tactics. I doubt SAF would of lost last night 2-0. Yes Man United have off days but under Moyes every week is an off day.
RVP has complained twice/three times is it now about Moyes & his methods. Training, team selection & tactics. When a striker as good as he can be says that you know something is wrong.

Have you actually seen any change in tactics from him? Every week its the same, play down the flank, cross, play a slow game, pass around the back & hoof, keep it slow. Failure to pressure the opponent, he clearly instructs the team not to pressure so that just lets teams have the ball to come at us.
Whats happened to the quick counter attack? Its none existent. Dont try blame the players for that, it clearly not in Moyes gameplan.

That squad of player would preform better under a better manager, I have no doubt about that.
Even as a non Man United fan, if you think Moyes is tactically good you're a moron

Viva, I havent said sack him. I said im done believing in him.

Moyes is just poor, simple as. Good tactics wont see you lose at home to the likes of West Brom, Newcastle, knocked out the Carling Cup by bottom Sunderland then draw to bottom Fulham after putting in 81 crosses. Moyes is a clueless Muppet!!
I agree you shouldnt undermine the manager but doesnt that just show you how little respect Moyes has from the dressing room, they dont want to play for him & I dont blame them. Moyes couldnt organise a p!ss up in a brewery!!

Viva, realistically who do you see coming to play for Moyes in the summer?

SAF got the best from some very average players, been saying for years Ferdinand is nothing better than average

Rafael, Vidic, Ferdinand, Cleverly, Giggs, Nani, Valencia, Smalling all need to leave and replaced but that takes time..it was going to be a massive job for whoever got it and an ageing/poor squad which I have already said SAF got the best out of is now being found out..Moyes did a good job at Everton with limited resources so I for one think he will be a success given time..

And BTW what god given right have Manchester United got to win any game?

I don't blame United fans for being upset, in the modern game at any top club results like this shouldn't be accepted.

However I do find it very amusing that the same fans that were so proud of backing their manager and preaching their stability to everyone else are now calling for a managers head after 7 months.

You were lucky to have Sir Alex. If only because he gave you a massive high horse to sit on. Now it's hitting the fan and you're sat on donkeys like the rest of us.

Rio was quality but he's really fallen off big time this season

Sorry to change the subject slightly guys, does anyone here know a lot about dual monitors on computers?

I've used one briefly.

Fan wrote:And BTW what god given right have Manchester United got to win any game?

No one said they did Fan so your comment has no relevance.

Soddy wrote:You were lucky to have Sir Alex. If only because he gave you a massive high horse to sit on. Now it's hitting the fan and you're sat on donkeys like the rest of us.

Thats besides my point of Moyes is tactically inept. I can accept a poor season but the fact Moyes is going about it by actually being sh!t, like very sh!t, is the problem.
No matter what squad, condition etc Moyes isnt tactically qualified is the only point im saying. The excuse of rebuilding isnt valid for how tactically poor Moyes sets Man United to play.

[quote="Zinedine_Ze_Zebra"]

Fan wrote:And BTW what god given right have Manchester United got to win any game?

No one said they did Fan so your comment has no relevance.

the way Man Utd fans go on its as if they do, so yes it has relevance

You're generalising now Fan. My only point is how poor the tactics are.

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

Fan wrote:And BTW what god given right have Manchester United got to win any game?

No one said they did Fan so your comment has no relevance.

Soddy wrote:You were lucky to have Sir Alex. If only because he gave you a massive high horse to sit on. Now it's hitting the fan and you're sat on donkeys like the rest of us.

Thats besides my point of Moyes is tactically inept. I can accept a poor season but the fact Moyes is going about it by actually being sh!t, like very sh!t, is the problem.
No matter what squad, condition etc Moyes isnt tactically qualified is the only point im saying. The excuse of rebuilding isnt valid for how tactically poor Moyes sets Man United to play.

It may be beside the point of Moyes being tactically inept.

But it isn't besides the point that a club whose fans preached stability and loyalty to the manager are no longer able to practice what they preached. I'm not blaming United fans at all for that, I'd be irritated too if I were one. Moyes doesn't look up to it right now, the players look limited somehow.

And come on, anyone, even a United fan that thinks Cleverley is a decent player needs to have a good long think about football. If he makes the England squad this summer I will be extremely irritated. I can name several English midfielders that can bring more to a team than he can.

cant say I watched was listening to The Dons pump Celtic again

anyway Thauvin £12.5m?

Being tactically clever and being able to motivate his players to get more from them was one of the main reasons Moyes was so successful at Everton.

I can't believe he will lose that over less than a year.

The only reason I can think of is that the players are not behind him which says more about the players than Moyes.

He needs to clear out, get his own players in who buy into what he is doing, and then he will come good.

Thats the thing Afro, hes just not being tactically clever at all.
Its clear the players arent behind him, he lost that early on. They wouldnt moan & undermine him if they were.

get his own players in who buy into what he is doing, and then he will come good.

I dont feel the same way. Hes not going to attract top player, we will end up buying Leon Osman's of the footballing world. Tactically, hes not made any change week in week out, its the same old BS every week so I dont how he will change when hes too stupid to change now. Innovative! He has none of it.

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Thats the thing Afro, hes just not being tactically clever at all.
Its clear the players arent behind him, he lost that early on. They wouldnt moan & undermine him if they were.

get his own players in who buy into what he is doing, and then he will come good.

I dont feel the same way. Hes not going to attract top player, we will end up buying Leon Osman's of the footballing world. Tactically, hes not made any change week in week out, its the same old BS every week so I dont how he will change when hes too stupid to change now. Innovative! He has none of it.

The question then is why has he suddenly gone from being tacticaly clever? I can't believe it is him that has changed, so there is something else causing it

Maybe it's because he's ginger?

Just throwing that out there.

Afro wrote:

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Thats the thing Afro, hes just not being tactically clever at all.
Its clear the players arent behind him, he lost that early on. They wouldnt moan & undermine him if they were.

get his own players in who buy into what he is doing, and then he will come good.

I dont feel the same way. Hes not going to attract top player, we will end up buying Leon Osman's of the footballing world. Tactically, hes not made any change week in week out, its the same old BS every week so I dont how he will change when hes too stupid to change now. Innovative! He has none of it.

The question then is why has he suddenly gone from being tacticaly clever? I can't believe it is him that has changed, so there is something else causing it

The players.

Im starting to suspect he's come across as a push-over behind the scenes so the players are acting out just have to look at Van Persie's comments after match last night. He wouldn't say that if Fergie was in charge.

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
I dont feel the same way. Hes not going to attract top player, we will end up buying Leon Osman's of the footballing world.

So we're just pretending he didn't just buy Mata and sign Rooney to a long term deal then?

https://www.606v2.com/t52201-who-is-to-blame-at-man-utd

Here you go then, somewhere to vent!

Fernando wrote:

Afro wrote:

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Thats the thing Afro, hes just not being tactically clever at all.
Its clear the players arent behind him, he lost that early on. They wouldnt moan & undermine him if they were.

get his own players in who buy into what he is doing, and then he will come good.

I dont feel the same way. Hes not going to attract top player, we will end up buying Leon Osman's of the footballing world. Tactically, hes not made any change week in week out, its the same old BS every week so I dont how he will change when hes too stupid to change now. Innovative! He has none of it.

The question then is why has he suddenly gone from being tacticaly clever? I can't believe it is him that has changed, so there is something else causing it

The players.

Im starting to suspect he's come across as a push-over behind the scenes so the players are acting out just have to look at Van Persie's comments after match last night. He wouldn't say that if Fergie was in charge.

Fergie would have butchered his rectum for that.

I think RVP goes in the summer now and Rooney is played up top with Mata behind him. Start of the rebuild.

Olly wrote:So we're just pretending he didn't just buy Mata and sign Rooney to a long term deal then?

Keeping Rooney on is good.
Mata wanted football to try get in the Span WC squad, Chelsea got big money to help balance books.
I doubt he will sign a top quality player in the summer.

Mata, he isnt using him properly, just like Shinji. Hes adament on using out of form, poor, not good enough wingers instead of giving Shinji, Mata & Rooney a chance to play together.

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

Olly wrote:So we're just pretending he didn't just buy Mata and sign Rooney to a long term deal then?

Keeping Rooney on is good.
Mata wanted football to try get in the Span WC squad, Chelsea got big money to help balance books.
I doubt he will sign a top quality player in the summer.

Mata, he isnt using him properly, just like Shinji. Hes adament on using out of form, poor, not good enough wingers instead of giving Shinji, Mata & Rooney a chance to play together.

Kagawa's incredibly overrated anyways, but I am surprised he hasn't used him like he used Pienaar at Everton.

[quote="sodhatFergie would have butchered his rectum for that.
I think RVP goes in the summer now and Rooney is played up top with Mata behind him. Start of the rebuild.[/quote]
Exactly, Moyes has no balls to do that though. Bet he didnt even shout at them at half time, probably said "we're playing well lads, we've just been unlucky"

Sadly I think RVP will go too. He has his PL medal & hes not happy this season. Could be for the best, as you say Rooney up top & Mata central.

Olly wrote:Kagawa's incredibly overrated anyways, but I am surprised he hasn't used him like he used Pienaar at Everton.

If you watched him in the Bundesliga I doubt you would say that. The fact Fergie didnt give him enough time in his favoured role + injuries & now Moyes being a w@nker to him Shinji hasnt been able to showcase his talents. Jürgen Klopp crys because he knows how good he is.
Look at how Moyes treated Zaha.

The man cant handle it.

Fan Gilhaus wrote:cant say I watched was listening to The Dons pump Celtic again

anyway Thauvin £12.5m?

forget the offer, see its being ignored..hate trying deals with folk who dont answer

anyway Thauvin £20m & you have a deal.

Who wants lawyers??? Haro, can you do mine & post in admin. I can then get them up.

£14m as far as i go

sodhat wrote:

Fernando wrote:

Afro wrote:

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Thats the thing Afro, hes just not being tactically clever at all.
Its clear the players arent behind him, he lost that early on. They wouldnt moan & undermine him if they were.

get his own players in who buy into what he is doing, and then he will come good.

I dont feel the same way. Hes not going to attract top player, we will end up buying Leon Osman's of the footballing world. Tactically, hes not made any change week in week out, its the same old BS every week so I dont how he will change when hes too stupid to change now. Innovative! He has none of it.

The question then is why has he suddenly gone from being tacticaly clever? I can't believe it is him that has changed, so there is something else causing it

The players.

Im starting to suspect he's come across as a push-over behind the scenes so the players are acting out just have to look at Van Persie's comments after match last night. He wouldn't say that if Fergie was in charge.

Fergie would have butchered his rectum for that.

I think RVP goes in the summer now and Rooney is played up top with Mata behind him. Start of the rebuild.

Robin would have needed this

I'm sorry but I've not seen enough from Kagawa in the past two years he's been here to even justify why he's so loved. Looks average to me

If were judging players by what they did over two years ago then I'm starting the Grant Hokt for England campaign again

anyway who cares its all about here and now

everyone happy with the way your plans are coming along with your new teams/squads?

Very much love my team, not sure on if my players are that heavily known and I've done a 'you' if you know what I mean, but I don't want to abandon my own faith in my team's ability to go with the common belief even if it costs me wins.
I know last season Afro had Veltman as a CB and he wasn't getting plaudits and he had to scrap him to bring Naldo in instead, Veltman's just quality so I'll just have to work on the PR front for a few it seems.

You won't need your PR machine Hero, Last season is much different to this one quality wise.

Fan Gilhaus wrote:£14m as far as i go

£17.5m ??

Lawyers are up:
The Gregalicious Lawyers
Triple Z's Triple Distilled Lawyers
Remember one MUST be accepted by Sunday 11:59pm

Eder Balanta for me is a risk, good solid defender but maybe risky to put him in at CB so will be playing LB this season..I know what you mean by that, If i like a player I will play him dont care if he is 17 or 27, if your good enough your old enough, also I dont care where they play..

very unfair to say ONE MUST be accepted..

£15m

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Lawyers are up:
The Gregalicious Lawyers
Triple Z's Triple Distilled Lawyers
Remember one MUST be accepted by Sunday 11:59pm

Maybe you could give me lawyers for MY players?

Suggestions that Moyes could be gone by the end of the day - seemingly sparked by the New York Stock Exchange which is quite interesting as they have to announce everything related to Man United incase it effects pricing etc.

Everyone is in the same boat fan.

Can everyone please confirm any sold players to lawyers on the transfer confirmation page. You know the drill people. thank you

Fernando wrote:Suggestions that Moyes could be gone by the end of the day - seemingly sparked by the New York Stock Exchange which is quite interesting as they have to announce everything related to Man United incase it effects pricing etc.

Cant say im surprised. Glazers are business men. The stock dropped from 1.5bn down to 1.3bn (I think). They wont want to see that damaged further.
If Moyes had set good tactics & tried I would feel for him. The fact he hasnt, I have no sympathy for him. Hes come in & said the same BS each week about playing well & being unlucky but its clear as day his tactics are poop. Sit back, defend, dont pressure, lack of pace, no counter attack, no supply to the front men, put a cross or 81 in, throw a long ball up the pitch. Its amateur poop, thats how my pub team plays!

  Check these muppets out:
Fans call for David Moyes to be SACKED for not playing Juan Mata
They are the type of Man United Fan you speak about Fan. Stupid ones who dont know a thing about football who expect to win every match.

SkyBet:
Next Manager to Go - David Moyes 8/11
So £1 will win you 73p profit.
Something must be going on somewhere.