Oh christ, another Floyd thread.

[superflyweight]

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Decent if unspectacular article about Floyd from the Guardian Sports Network.  Fairly well balanced and covers some of the key points better (and with more perspective) than they tend to be discussed on here.

[TopHat24/7]

Top 3 p4p??

[TRUSSMAN66]

Hatton back then was the equivalent of Bradley just now IMO

Hatton was a 50/50 fight on the old 606.................It was a massive fight over here and in America...............Hatton was unbeaten and well respected............Only after he lost like Alvarez...He became a cherry picked, uselesss bum..

[hazharrison]

He could quite easily have fought Cotto before or after Hatton. It wasnt like he could only fight one.

It was the natural fight at welterweight after Cotto had beaten Mosley and Floyd had stopped Hatton. Hatton and Oscar were the two cash cows back then, though. Floyd had lined up an Oscar rematch and there was talk of a Hatton rematch down the line (as well as a Hatton vs Oscar money maker).

[hazharrison]

Hatton back then was the equivalent of Bradley just now IMO

Hatton was a 50/50 fight on the old 606.................It was a massive fight over here and in America...............Hatton was unbeaten and well respected............Only after he  lost like Alvarez...He became a cherry picked, uselesss bum..

 
I agree. It was a huge money spinner. It was a no-brainer for Floyd to take that fight. There was nothing stopping him taking on the more well-regarded* quartet of Williams, Margarito, Mosley and Williams at 147 afterwards, though (all of whom were more difficult opponents than Hatton who'd performed poorly at welterweight in his previous visit (against Collazo)).

* at welterweight

[TRUSSMAN66]

Anybody remember last year........."Floyd wouldn't dare fight Alvarez......." ..Followed by

"Alvarez is overrated and a stiff!!"

Alvarez was the NUMBER 1 guy at 154..........What a cherry pick that was..

[TopHat24/7]

Floyd could've helped himself by not demanding that ridiculous catchweight tho......

[hazharrison]

Anybody remember last year........."Floyd wouldn't dare fight Alvarez......." ..Followed by

"Alvarez is  overrated and a stiff!!"

Alvarez was the NUMBER 1 guy at 154..........What a cherry pick that was..

There's no question he was the number two man at 154 (behind Floyd) but he was also ridiculously overhyped. He may yet prove to be special at the weight, who knows? We'll know a little more after this weekend's bout with Angulo but while he he'd earned his rating with the squeaker over Trout, he'd hardly set the world on fire in the ring.

[catchweight]

He retired when the division had tough welterweight fights and there were no easy pickings. The definition of "avoiding" in my book. During his welterweight tenure hes missed out on Pacquaio, Cotto, Margarito, Williams and Bradley and instead fought Hatton, a lightweight Marquez, a past it Mosley, Guerrero, Ortiz and Maidana. It really speaks for itself. If people are Mayweather fans and that floats there boat, so be it but no need to kid themselves over how he operates. Its "The Money Team". Not the stuff of absolute legends by some stretch.

[Hammersmith harrier]

You won't find me disagreeing with the fact Mayweather should have fought Cotto after Hatton. It was the natural fight to make, I just don't think the demand to face either Williams or Margarito was ever there.

[hazharrison]

You won't find me disagreeing with the fact Mayweather should have fought Cotto after Hatton. It was the natural fight to make, I just don't think the demand to face either Williams or Margarito was ever there.

 
There was no demand from the general public, the majority of whom hadn't heard of either.
 
Mayweather had reached the apex of his career. He'd finally broken through to the mainstream himself and had positively raked in the cash against Oscar and Hatton (who the likes of Cotto, Margarito and Mosley would have chopped off an arm for an opportunity to face in highly winnable fights that would nontheless have attracted career high paydays). Mayweather then made forays into mainstream entertainment -- appearing in both WWE and Dancing With The Stars -- and had probably figured: "Why fight all of these tough guys for peanuts when I can earn far more money without taking any punches at all?"
 
Robinson tried a similar thing, self-financing an ill-fated career as a dancer before Jim Norris lured him back into the ring.

[Guest]

You won't find me disagreeing with the fact Mayweather should have fought Cotto after Hatton. It was the natural fight to make, I just don't think the demand to face either Williams or Margarito was ever there.

There was no demand from the general public, the majority of whom hadn't heard of either.

Mayweather had reached the apex of his career. He'd finally broken through to the mainstream himself and had positively raked in the cash against Oscar and Hatton (who the likes of Cotto, Margarito and Mosley would have chopped off an arm for the opportunity to face in highly winnable fights that would nontheless have attracted career high paydays). Mayweather then made forays into mainstream entertainment -- appearing in both WWE and Dancing With The Stars -- and had probably figured: "Why fight all of these tough guys for peanuts when I can earn far more money without taking any punches at all?"

Robinson tried a similar thing, self-financing an ill-fated career as a dancer before Jim Norris lured him back into the ring.

Yet Maidana gets the chance of a lifetime despite having nothing like the Hispanic backing of other Mayweather opponents and speaking little or no English.

To quote the Spitting Image puppet of the late David Coleman, "Errrr quite remarkable!"

[hazharrison]

You won't find me disagreeing with the fact Mayweather should have fought Cotto after Hatton. It was the natural fight to make, I just don't think the demand to face either Williams or Margarito was ever there.

There was no demand from the general public, the majority of whom hadn't heard of either.

Mayweather had reached the apex of his career. He'd finally broken through to the mainstream himself and had positively raked in the cash against Oscar and Hatton (who the likes of Cotto, Margarito and Mosley would have chopped off an arm for the opportunity to face in highly winnable fights that would nontheless have attracted career high paydays). Mayweather then made forays into mainstream entertainment -- appearing in both WWE and Dancing With The Stars -- and had probably figured: "Why fight all of these tough guys for peanuts when I can earn far more money without taking any punches at all?"

Robinson tried a similar thing, self-financing an ill-fated career as a dancer before Jim Norris lured him back into the ring.

Yet Maidana gets the chance of a lifetime despite having nothing like the Hispanic backing of other Mayweather opponents and speaking little or no English.

To quote the Spitting Image puppet of the late David Coleman, "Errrr quite remarkable!"

Maidana's "easy work" as Floyd himself likes to say. The aforementioned quartet were quite the opposite.

[hazharrison]

Funnily enough, Ellerbe mentioned Trinidad as a more viable opponent than Cotto in 2008, around the time "Tito" was labouring with Jones Jr (after looking woeful against Wright).

[Guest]

You won't find me disagreeing with the fact Mayweather should have fought Cotto after Hatton. It was the natural fight to make, I just don't think the demand to face either Williams or Margarito was ever there.

There was no demand from the general public, the majority of whom hadn't heard of either.

Mayweather had reached the apex of his career. He'd finally broken through to the mainstream himself and had positively raked in the cash against Oscar and Hatton (who the likes of Cotto, Margarito and Mosley would have chopped off an arm for the opportunity to face in highly winnable fights that would nontheless have attracted career high paydays). Mayweather then made forays into mainstream entertainment -- appearing in both WWE and Dancing With The Stars -- and had probably figured: "Why fight all of these tough guys for peanuts when I can earn far more money without taking any punches at all?"

Robinson tried a similar thing, self-financing an ill-fated career as a dancer before Jim Norris lured him back into the ring.

Yet Maidana gets the chance of a lifetime despite having nothing like the Hispanic backing of other Mayweather opponents and speaking little or no English.

To quote the Spitting Image puppet of the late David Coleman, "Errrr quite remarkable!"

Maidana's "easy work" as Floyd himself likes to say. The aforementioned quartet were quite the opposite.

Excuse me but I think you'll find that Maidana poses the biggest threat to Floyd's reign since er...the last time someone else posed the biggest threat to Floyd's reign.

[hazharrison]

You won't find me disagreeing with the fact Mayweather should have fought Cotto after Hatton. It was the natural fight to make, I just don't think the demand to face either Williams or Margarito was ever there.

There was no demand from the general public, the majority of whom hadn't heard of either.

Mayweather had reached the apex of his career. He'd finally broken through to the mainstream himself and had positively raked in the cash against Oscar and Hatton (who the likes of Cotto, Margarito and Mosley would have chopped off an arm for the opportunity to face in highly winnable fights that would nontheless have attracted career high paydays). Mayweather then made forays into mainstream entertainment -- appearing in both WWE and Dancing With The Stars -- and had probably figured: "Why fight all of these tough guys for peanuts when I can earn far more money without taking any punches at all?"

Robinson tried a similar thing, self-financing an ill-fated career as a dancer before Jim Norris lured him back into the ring.

Yet Maidana gets the chance of a lifetime despite having nothing like the Hispanic backing of other Mayweather opponents and speaking little or no English.

To quote the Spitting Image puppet of the late David Coleman, "Errrr quite remarkable!"

Maidana's "easy work" as Floyd himself likes to say. The aforementioned quartet were quite the opposite.

Excuse me but I think you'll find that Maidana poses the biggest threat to Floyd's reign since er...the last time someone else posed the biggest threat to Floyd's reign.

I read that in the voice of the voiceover guy from Showtime's All Access.

[milkyboy]

Maidana does pose the biggest threat to floyd out there. He's the only guy fighting him in the next 6 months. Though even allowing for that, its marginal.

[Guest]

Maidana does pose the biggest threat to floyd out there. He's the only guy fighting him in the next 6 months. Though even allowing for that, its marginal.

There's more chance of Floyd developing Alzheimer's than there is of him facing someone decent

[TRUSSMAN66]

Maidana isn't decent..........   

[Guest]

He's little more than a heavy handed plodder. Tough and durable but "tough and durable" does not a conqueror of Mayweather make and surely we're asking more of the self proclaimed greatest fighter who ever lived to face more than just that aren't we?

[TRUSSMAN66]

"Facing someone decent" ..Don't try to weasel your way out ...Sunny.

[Guest]

It's "Sonny" not "Sunny" (unless you're referring to my disposition) and Maidana is not a decent test for a fighter of Mayweather's calibre, but again, I don't expect you to have my undoubtedly high levels of objectivity when discussing your "boy"

[TRUSSMAN66]

You shouldn't try to smokescreen...

You're hopeless at it !!

[Guest]

You should just shut up, you boring git!

[TRUSSMAN66]

You should just shut up, you boring git!

You're right debating you is getting boring.........Maybe look for some Boxing debate me thinks..

[superflyweight]

Stop ruining my original and distinctive thread.

[Guest]

I look forward to the next thrilling installment of "TRUSSMAN accuses someone else of smokescreening"

Perhaps you could write a Top Ten Smokescreeners article...then write it again in three weeks time...and again in six months times...after the smoke has cleared obviously.

[hazharrison]

Stop ruining my original and distinctive thread.  

....said Joseph as the two mice ran across the pile of yarn he was using to weave his technicolour dream coat.....

[TRUSSMAN66]

I look forward to the next thrilling installment of "TRUSSMAN accuses someone else of smokescreening"

Perhaps you could write a Top Ten Smokescreeners article...then write it again in three weeks time...and again in six months times...after the smoke has cleared obviously.

You can't leave it can you boy.................That Inferiority complex of yours in unnecessary.....

I like you........Learn to like yourself !!  

[Guest]

I look forward to the next thrilling installment of "TRUSSMAN accuses someone else of smokescreening"

Perhaps you could write a Top Ten Smokescreeners article...then write it again in three weeks time...and again in six months times...after the smoke has cleared obviously.

You can't leave it can you boy.................That Inferiority complex of yours in unnecessary.....

I like you........Learn to like yourself !!  

Impossible to have an inferiority complex when dealing with you lad...even Steffan would struggle to feel second to you. Like we've said before, you should stop trying to take out your anger at your marital failings on the rest of the board. Some of us aren't interested and the others have already slept with your wife and can't see what the fuss is about.

[Guest]

Stop ruining my original and distinctive thread.  

....said Joseph as the two mice ran across the pile of yarn he was using to weave his technicolour dream coat.....

Joseph didn't make his coat, his dad bought it for him much to the chagrin of his brothers...and the rest is, well, basically made up fairytale type nonsense (mind you, to be fair, so is the first bit)

[Rowley]

Stop ruining my original and distinctive thread.  

You have whored yourself in a fashion not seen on here since my Lennox Lewis thread. Take it from me as someone who knows, the warm feeling from getting over a 100 responses fades far quicker than the self loathing you will inevitably feel.

[TopHat24/7]

You got 9 pages and 450 replies though, Super's got nothing on that (yet....)

[milkyboy]

I look forward to the next thrilling installment of "TRUSSMAN accuses someone else of smokescreening"

Perhaps you could write a Top Ten Smokescreeners article...then write it again in three weeks time...and again in six months times...after the smoke has cleared obviously.

You can't leave it can you boy.................That Inferiority complex of yours in unnecessary.....

I like you........Learn to like yourself !!  

Impossible to have an inferiority complex when dealing with you lad...even Steffan would struggle to feel second to you. Like we've said before, you should stop trying to take out your anger at your marital failings on the rest of the board. Some of us aren't interested and the others have already slept with your wife and can't see what the fuss is about.

That's harsh Dave. What she lacked in talent she made up for in enthusiasm.

[milkyboy]

You got 9 pages and 450 replies though, Super's got nothing on that (yet....)

But as my last post shows... Look at the quality, this thread is getting

[Rowley]

You got 9 pages and 450 replies though, Super's got nothing on that (yet....)

350 of them were Gordy, not sure they really count.

[Guest]

I look forward to the next thrilling installment of "TRUSSMAN accuses someone else of smokescreening"

Perhaps you could write a Top Ten Smokescreeners article...then write it again in three weeks time...and again in six months times...after the smoke has cleared obviously.

You can't leave it can you boy.................That Inferiority complex of yours in unnecessary.....

I like you........Learn to like yourself !!  

Impossible to have an inferiority complex when dealing with you lad...even Steffan would struggle to feel second to you. Like we've said before, you should stop trying to take out your anger at your marital failings on the rest of the board. Some of us aren't interested and the others have already slept with your wife and can't see what the fuss is about.

That's harsh Dave. What she lacked in talent she made up for in enthusiasm.

You saw enthusiasm, I saw a Glenn-Close-in-Basic-Instinct level of instability

[TRUSSMAN66]

Glenn close in Basic Instinct ??

[Rowley]

That would be Fatal Attraction Dave.

[ShahenshahG]

That would be Fatal Attraction Dave.

For whom?

[TRUSSMAN66]

In fairness Glenn close would have been better in Basic instinct and Stone in Fatal Attraction...

Rather see Stone getting it in an elevator..

[Guest]

That would be Fatal Attraction Dave.

Thank You...however, you get the idea of the psychotically obsessed woman which is what I'd hope you'd be taking from this as opposed to my inability to recall which woman was in which particularly over-hyped thriller

[milkyboy]

Not sure the leg crossing scene works with glen close.

[Guest]

In fairness Glenn close would have been better in Basic instinct and Stone in Fatal Attraction...

Rather see Stone getting it in an elevator..

And you'd prefer seeing Glenn Close exposing her labia to Michael Douglas?

You are a very strange little man

[TRUSSMAN66]

In fairness Glenn close would have been better in Basic instinct and Stone in Fatal Attraction...

..

And you'd prefer seeing Glenn Close exposing her labia to Michael Douglas?

Why not you did .......    

[Guest]

Nope, Close was simply the obvious choice when selecting a very unhinged character to emphasize the depths of your own wife's obsession with me. You, on the other hand, have public stated that given the option you would happily watch 67 year Glenn Close arthritically expose her wrinkled, flaccid labia to 563 year old Michael Douglas

[TRUSSMAN66]

But I draw the line at 68......

[Guest]

Gotta have some standards mate...had my wife drunk her 9th pint on our first date, I'd have kicked her into touch but she stuck to eight and still maintained an air of quiet sophistication...even when headbutting a Police Van

[milkyboy]

She told me you were an 8 Pinter Dave... She was happy to do me sober.

[Guest]

No, she was simply less UNhappy about it...probably.

I've known women who needed at least eight pints before they even look in my direction...I say "knew" I mean "killed and disposed of"

[superflyweight]

Thanks to everyone for bringing my distinctive and original thread back on track.  

P.S.  Jeff, I'm not a wh*re.
P.P.S who wins a fight between Floyd and Manny in 2010?

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