Froch v Groves II - Seating Plan Released

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Looks like two plans, one for the pitch and one for the stand.



http://www.matchroomboxing.com/news/froch_vs_groves_2_tickets_on.htm

My pet hate fighters and promoters targeting the weakest world champion and distancing themselves from all other avenues. I hold Brook with contempt the division is packed with meaty fights and this guy is still piddling about on undercards, even the Italian euro champ would be a decent match, genuinely hope Brook comes up short in his world title attempt which I think he will.

Cheers Rodders

Rowley wrote:

Strongback wrote:
I don't have an agenda against Eddie, I just see him as his daddy's office boy who has difficulty chewing gum and farting at the same time. It's fun to watch him blundering about like a second hand car sales man.
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Blundering about, from not being involved in the sport five years ago, to being the preeminent promoter in the country now. The only promoter with a contract with the biggest non terrestrial broadcaster in the country and arguably the best stable of fighters in the country. T'is the very dictionary definition of a bloke who does not know his arse from his elbow.

Irrespective of whether these tickets have gone to touts, corporates or whatever seems fairly apparent to pretty much everyone outside of you that this fight is going to break modern box office records for this country, but of course you do not have an agenda against him.

Seems to me you have an opinion about either public school boys and/or cockney wide boy types and are desperately trying to make the story fit your pre conceptions. Eddie has made a fight here that people want to see at a price that in the grand scheme of things, is affordable or is certainly no worse than in line with the industry standards.

I personally will judge a promoter by how he treats his fighters and the cards he puts on, not by where he went to school, but each to their own. There are things Eddie deserves be be bought to book on, Kell Brook continuing to tread water would certainly be one of them, but for me your criticisms of this fight come across as reaching.

To clear up the public school/cockney jibes I make what I mean is as follows:

Public schoolboy = born with a silver spoon

Cockney accent = it's a put on i.e. false

Dad's Cockney roots = Barry Hearn is no different to Warren, Barry Fry and Harry Rednap as a wheeler dealer.

False face = Eddie propagating the myth that he is everybody's best friend which is laughable.

Twitter game = Eddie prides himself on his social media, one of these day it will blow up in his face if it isn't already happening today.


In my first 10 years of work I was employed by a company that consulted to very wealthy people including billionaires.  As I was one of the younger staff I was tasked with being pally with the sons of some of these rich business people to help them learn the industry as they took their first steps.  I have met many Eddie Hearn types.  I say this without hesitation that without Barry's money, guidance and influence Eddie would be an estate agent or some kind of salesperson.

The likes of Warren, Barry Hearn and the other East End boys done good have something special about them. It's an intangible but it makes them great business men and these guys are tough, ambitious and relentless in their pursuit of money.  If these guys know that they can make money they will walk through a wall to get it.  I have never personally seen these inherent qualities passed from father to son.  It's like why very few sons of professional sportsmen have the gifts of their father.

I honestly wouldn't fancy Matchroom's chances without Barry Hearn at the helm, he is the product and he steers the ship.

I also think there is merit in holding up a mirror to the love-in that has surrounded Eddie in the media and on this board.  Other British boxing boards have many Hearn detractors, primarily due to him putting on a lot of poor undercards and weak domestic shows.  Too many mismatches. Generally not living up to the hype.

I think it makes sense for a Promoter in a hard business to put the needs of his client first......

He wouldn't be doing his job sacrificing his charge to the wolves........Boxing is a hard business..and fighters leave with the after effects for a long time.......and it's not long before the fans stop caring !!.......If a promoter can get a limited guy a world title he's doing his job !!

Absurd to believe also that a Majority of old fighters wouldn't look for the easier route had they had the same option..

I mean you'd think reading some of the tripe on here that old fighters fought for the legacy and honor of the sport.......

Sorry they fought to eat, feed their young and to have some money in their pockets.........

Strongback wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Strongback wrote:
I don't have an agenda against Eddie, I just see him as his daddy's office boy who has difficulty chewing gum and farting at the same time. It's fun to watch him blundering about like a second hand car sales man.
.

Blundering about, from not being involved in the sport five years ago, to being the preeminent promoter in the country now. The only promoter with a contract with the biggest non terrestrial broadcaster in the country and arguably the best stable of fighters in the country. T'is the very dictionary definition of a bloke who does not know his arse from his elbow.

Irrespective of whether these tickets have gone to touts, corporates or whatever seems fairly apparent to pretty much everyone outside of you that this fight is going to break modern box office records for this country, but of course you do not have an agenda against him.

Seems to me you have an opinion about either public school boys and/or cockney wide boy types and are desperately trying to make the story fit your pre conceptions. Eddie has made a fight here that people want to see at a price that in the grand scheme of things, is affordable or is certainly no worse than in line with the industry standards.

I personally will judge a promoter by how he treats his fighters and the cards he puts on, not by where he went to school, but each to their own. There are things Eddie deserves be be bought to book on, Kell Brook continuing to tread water would certainly be one of them, but for me your criticisms of this fight come across as reaching.

To clear up the public school/cockney jibes I make what I mean is as follows:

Public schoolboy = born with a silver spoon

Cockney accent = it's a put on i.e. false

Dad's Cockney roots = Barry Hearn is no different to Warren, Barry Fry and Harry Rednap as a wheeler dealer.

False face = Eddie propagating the myth that he is everybody's best friend which is laughable.

Twitter game = Eddie prides himself on his social media, one of these day it will blow up in his face if it isn't already happening today.


In my first 10 years of work I was employed by a company that consulted to very wealthy people including billionaires.  As I was one of the younger staff I was tasked with being pally with the sons of some of these rich business people to help them learn the industry as they took their first steps.  I have met many Eddie Hearn types.  I say this without hesitation that without Barry's money, guidance and influence Eddie would be an estate agent or some kind of salesperson.

The likes of Warren, Barry Hearn and the other East End boys done good have something special about them. It's an intangible but it makes them great business men and these guys are tough, ambitious and relentless in their pursuit of money.  If these guys know that they can make money they will walk through a wall to get it.  I have never personally seen these inherent qualities passed from father to son.  It's like why very few sons of professional sportsmen have the gifts of their father.

I honestly wouldn't fancy Matchroom's chances without Barry Hearn at the helm, he is the product and he steers the ship.

I also think there is merit in holding up a mirror to the love-in that has surrounded Eddie in the media and on this board.  Other British boxing boards have many Hearn detractors, primarily due to him putting on a lot of poor undercards and weak domestic shows.  Too many mismatches. Generally not living up to the hype.

I see the old "other boxing boards" argument has reared it's head again. I barely give a stuff what anyone on a board I sometimes post on thinks, why would I care what some nutjob on ESB thinks?

Rowley wrote:

Strongback wrote:  I have met many Eddie Hearn types.   I have never personally seen these inherent qualities passed from father to son.  

Two quotes which again suggest you have already made your mind up about Eddie and will not be changing, irrespective of what he does or does not do. Criticism of this fight seems a perfect example to me.

The fight didn't need much promotion it sells itself.

Eddies job on this was to pick a stadium and organise the admin of the ticket sales.

As to Eddie I have made my mind up on him by observing his match making, mistakes and body language. I have also listened to some of my friends who watch the odd fight on Sky ask me who the oily version of Barry Hearn is. I don't wholly trust my previous experience when making a judgement but I don't ignore common traits I've seen before either.

As to the Sky deal well we know Daddy has been working with them for years. It is incredibly difficult to do what Barry Hearn has had to do down through the years. He deserves respect for his graft and guile.

My view is if Barry wasn't around the other promoters would take Eddie to ground quick sharp.

superflyweight wrote:

Strongback wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Strongback wrote:
I don't have an agenda against Eddie, I just see him as his daddy's office boy who has difficulty chewing gum and farting at the same time. It's fun to watch him blundering about like a second hand car sales man.
.

Blundering about, from not being involved in the sport five years ago, to being the preeminent promoter in the country now. The only promoter with a contract with the biggest non terrestrial broadcaster in the country and arguably the best stable of fighters in the country. T'is the very dictionary definition of a bloke who does not know his arse from his elbow.

Irrespective of whether these tickets have gone to touts, corporates or whatever seems fairly apparent to pretty much everyone outside of you that this fight is going to break modern box office records for this country, but of course you do not have an agenda against him.

Seems to me you have an opinion about either public school boys and/or cockney wide boy types and are desperately trying to make the story fit your pre conceptions. Eddie has made a fight here that people want to see at a price that in the grand scheme of things, is affordable or is certainly no worse than in line with the industry standards.

I personally will judge a promoter by how he treats his fighters and the cards he puts on, not by where he went to school, but each to their own. There are things Eddie deserves be be bought to book on, Kell Brook continuing to tread water would certainly be one of them, but for me your criticisms of this fight come across as reaching.

To clear up the public school/cockney jibes I make what I mean is as follows:

Public schoolboy = born with a silver spoon

Cockney accent = it's a put on i.e. false

Dad's Cockney roots = Barry Hearn is no different to Warren, Barry Fry and Harry Rednap as a wheeler dealer.

False face = Eddie propagating the myth that he is everybody's best friend which is laughable.

Twitter game = Eddie prides himself on his social media, one of these day it will blow up in his face if it isn't already happening today.


In my first 10 years of work I was employed by a company that consulted to very wealthy people including billionaires.  As I was one of the younger staff I was tasked with being pally with the sons of some of these rich business people to help them learn the industry as they took their first steps.  I have met many Eddie Hearn types.  I say this without hesitation that without Barry's money, guidance and influence Eddie would be an estate agent or some kind of salesperson.

The likes of Warren, Barry Hearn and the other East End boys done good have something special about them. It's an intangible but it makes them great business men and these guys are tough, ambitious and relentless in their pursuit of money.  If these guys know that they can make money they will walk through a wall to get it.  I have never personally seen these inherent qualities passed from father to son.  It's like why very few sons of professional sportsmen have the gifts of their father.

I honestly wouldn't fancy Matchroom's chances without Barry Hearn at the helm, he is the product and he steers the ship.

I also think there is merit in holding up a mirror to the love-in that has surrounded Eddie in the media and on this board.  Other British boxing boards have many Hearn detractors, primarily due to him putting on a lot of poor undercards and weak domestic shows.  Too many mismatches. Generally not living up to the hype.

I see the old "other boxing boards" argument has reared it's head again.  I barely give a stuff what anyone on a board I sometimes post on thinks, why would I care what some nutjob on ESB thinks?  

ESB isn't the only British board out there and certainly wouldn't be the preeminent British board when it comes to up to the minute information.

You are a funny lad Strongy.......You have more diplomas than the rest of us put together.........

and yet you don't seem to have any self awareness whatsoever.....

Even Waingro could spot your agenda a mile off........

But it's our soodointurlekchewalizum wot makes us not smarterer than STRONGBACK

Never a more aptly named poster our STRONGBACK what with having to carry a f*****g great chip on both shoulders

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You are a funny lad Strongy.......You have more diplomas than the rest of us put together.........

and yet you don't seem to have any self awareness whatsoever.....

Even Waingro could spot your agenda a mile off........

Why would I have an agenda. I am simply looking at a person who is putting himself out there as my my best mate and having a laugh at him.

If I was making money out of jibing him there would be no fun in it. I have no agenda.


You say I have no self awareness, I say you are not seeing the whole picture.

We're seeing the whole picture, you on the other hand are seeing the picture from a parallel universe.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You are a funny lad Strongy.......You have more diplomas than the rest of us put together.........

and yet you don't seem to have any self awareness whatsoever.....

Even Waingro could spot your agenda a mile off........

let's not forget waingro was the first to spot that wlad was vitali's brother. No flies on him.

Maybe strongy is eddie's brother... the one that didnt get the boxing gig? Just a thought.

Like Cain and Abel ??

milkyboy wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You are a funny lad Strongy.......You have more diplomas than the rest of us put together.........

and yet you don't seem to have any self awareness whatsoever.....

Even Waingro could spot your agenda a mile off........

let's not forget waingro was the first to spot that wlad was vitali's brother. No flies on him.

Maybe strongy is eddie's brother... the one that didnt get the boxing gig? Just a thought.

Probably because he was sniffing insecticide at the time.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:We're seeing the whole picture, you on the other hand are seeing the picture from a parallel universe.

Who is to say your universe is more relevant than mine?

Strongback wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:We're seeing the whole picture, you on the other hand are seeing the picture from a parallel universe.

Who is to say your universe is more relevant than mine?

Because his has unirec

I'm sure the atmosphere will be great, but if you're sitting more than 50m away you aren't going to see much. If you think about watching a football match the centre circle is about 6 times the area of a boxing ring!!! No doubt they will erect huge screens above the ring and that's what the majority of people will be watching it on.

Hurr, you said "erect"

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Even the Brook thing isn't necessarily his fault, if he's happy fighting who he is for the money he is then Hearn is doing his job.

It is when you consider that Tim Bradley offered Kell to fight for his WBO belt. They turned it down to chase the IBF, but the point is Kell still could have fought for a world title and if he's as good as he claims to be then why not have taken on Tim and beat him?

What's happened to Kell is pretty bad management if you consider he was being mentioned in the same breath as the best in the division only a couple of years ago. Now he has pretty much become a laughing stock with these fights he is being put in. Eddie should have let him off the leash when he beat Matthew Hatton. But instead kept matching him against shoddy opponents until it all nearly backfired against Carson Jones (with all the "Kell wasn't training right" tales).

Fighting woeful opponents is always a big risk at this point as if a banana skin moments happens then Kell is finished. Whereas if he gets beat by a fringe world level fighter he can always use the excuse that this was an off night against a world level fighter. He would be as well in hurrying up!

Fighting Tim Bradley for terrible money and a rematch clause. Or take a fight that he has a better chance of winning, especially seeing as Bradleys recent close results have gone, for no rematch clause with a mandatory split, yeah Hearn took the wrong choice there. Brook still gets injured during training against Bradley so what's the difference I ask you?

A loss to Bradley would have been better than any of Brooks wins so far. At least it puts him on the world stage and gets him in the mix. A loss isnt the end of the world, especially if you perform well.

catchweight wrote:A loss to Bradley would have been better than any of Brooks wins so far. At least it puts him on the world stage and gets him in the mix. A loss isnt the end of the world, especially if you perform well.

I agree, If Brook wants to be one of the best he has to fight the best, losing to tim bradley, a p4p fighter is nothing to be ashamed of and it would push kell brook onto the international stage so he can get more big fights.