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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 20 May 2011, 3:20 pm

Manager - Gloucester Bear
Club Captain - Byron Kelleher
Vice Captain - Kelly Brown
Squad Numbers - 28
Budget - 21 million

Hookers
John Smit
Benoit August

Props
Fabien Barcella
Neemia Tialata
Mike Ross(Loan)

Locks
Danie Rossouw
Louis Deacon
Anthony Boric

Flankers
Dan Lydiate
Joe Van Niekerk
Ben McCalman
Sam Warburton
Ashley Johnson

Scrum Half
Byron Kelleher
Chris Cusiter

Fly Half
Toby Flood
Stephen Donald

Centres
Jonathan Davies
Seilala Mapasua
David Marty
Anthony Fainga'a

Wingers
Leigh Halfpenny
Alesana Tuilagi
Rod Davies
Vincent Clerc

Full Backs
Keith Earls

Starting 15
1.Fabien Barcella
2.John Smit
3.Neemia Tialata
4.Anthony Boric
5.Danie Rossouw
6.Joe Van Niekerk
7.Sam Warburton
8.Ben McCalman
9.Byron Kelleher
10.Toby Flood
11.Vincent Clerc
12.Seilala Mapasua
13.David Marty
14.Leigh Halfpenny
15.Keith Earls


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Post by Bathite Fri 20 May 2011, 3:49 pm

Welcome to the game!

I was in the middle of negotiating for Bismarck Du Plessis with the previous Toulon manager.

Have a look and let me know what you think.

BDP
4
Rees + 8m?

Gives enough cash to buy a very good foreign in. Rees was 6th on the top tens.

See that the cash is needed desperately in the back row with the injuries and think Collins and Lund need improvement.

Louw and Ouedraego would be good signings and available for 23m ish.

What do you reckon?

When you reply, you need to comment on my Saracens page. Cheers

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Post by Bathite Fri 20 May 2011, 4:54 pm

One thing that you have missed out on is the top 10s we have done, whereby everyone lists the best players in the world in each position. Gives you a good idea of who is rated.

BDP was 1 or 2 in the world, Rees was 6. BDP cost £25m and Rees was £22m. I offered 8m, even though the difference was only £3m, as I want more Saffas in my Saffacens pack!

Anything in the top ten is great, top 20 is fine and outside of that is deemed a weakness.

Evans and Gear not for sale at all mate, both were top 3 and unfortunately you don't have good enough replacements.

"BDP & Lambie
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Rees & Evans & 6m?"

Not a bad start that mate, but wouldn't the gap between Lambie and Evans is much much bigger than Rees to BDP.

What most people try to do on here is sacrifice a gain in one area for improvement elsewhere. You have the benefit of cash as well.

I would stretch to

Rees + 10m = BDP

I would help you out with a back rower, but can't until after the next game (wednesday) when Joubert recovers. At that point I could use McCalman as bait to get BDP perhaps?

Sorry for the long post, trying to be helpful.

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Post by Bathite Fri 20 May 2011, 5:20 pm

Fair enough with the hookers, will leave that alone for a bit.

I actually bought Lambie first mate, when Evans was injured and then sold him to get Schalk Burger in! He got luke warm reactions, which surprised me, cos I personally do rate him.

General consensus was - ok player, very dependable %s player. He wasn't near the top tens, maybe sneak into top 20. Wouldn't see him as a weakness in your team though, especially with Giteau outside him and Kelleher inside.

With squad size, i would be looking around this as a minimum, which most seem to follow. Now, this is assuming all are injury free!

2 Hooks
4 Props
3 Locks
4 Back Rowers
2 SH
2 FH (or at least a centre/FB who can cover - Giteau!)
3 Centres
4 Back three players

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Post by Bathite Fri 20 May 2011, 5:25 pm

Oh, and use this link.

https://www.606v2.com/t5250-season-3-completed-foreigns#114830

Its the transfers from last season, gives a pretty good idea of how much players are worth and how well rated they are.

I found it really useful when I first started

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Post by CJB Fri 20 May 2011, 5:46 pm

Visser + Jacobsen 4 Corbs + Wulf
Little enquiry for now not sure I'd do it


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Post by Bathite Fri 20 May 2011, 5:51 pm

He is rated, but not a superstar. As a rule of thumb, 'potential' isn't rated as highly as real life and players that aren't internationals are cheaper. Also, be weary of players how are hugely off form.

Byrne, Phillips, Chabal, Bast (sorry) are all good examples of this. Even Rockocoko and Habana only just got signed very recently, with players like Halfpenny, Iaone, Maitland all going first.

In this game, the best of the best players are involved, so when you consider the other fly halves are

Cooper
Carter
M.Steyn
Hernandez
Evans
Wilkinson
Trinh-Duc

It gives you some perspective on Lambie. But, as I said, he isn't a weakness, far from it, your 9 10 12 is a real strength.

Get in some back rowers though, Kankowski not universally popular, neither is Spies FYI.

Now, after all this advice, give me BDP for free!

Catch you laters, im off out, good to see a new manager, this game is seriously addictive, trust me!

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Post by CJB Fri 20 May 2011, 6:53 pm

Polotu Nau & Whitelock & Marty
4
BDP & Williams & Basteraud
TPN isn't much worse whereas the other two are quite big gaps tbh.

In a few weeks will do something with Lydiate when I get Kaino back from injury as your flankers need improving.


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I will deal on Visser + Jacobsen 4 Corbs + Wulf then. Confirm on my page then stick on confirms. The lads will cancel anything too much out of your favour so don't worry about getting robbed in the first few days. There are top 10 lists on 606 which you can look at to see views if not ask around (y)

Confirm if you want (y)

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Post by CJB Fri 20 May 2011, 7:18 pm

Will update my page in a sec:

In the top 25 locks these were the positions
Whitelock (6,13,8
Williams (23,--,--

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Post by CJB Fri 20 May 2011, 7:19 pm

Will update my page in a sec:

In the top 25 locks these were the positions
Whitelock (6,13,8)
Williams (23,--,--)

In a few they did top 5's these were positions in that
Whitelock (5,6)
Williams (10,--)

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Post by CJB Fri 20 May 2011, 7:27 pm

Position in brackets are we they were lated

The lowest Whitelock got was 13 with most being top 10 while Williams only feature in 2 of the 6 people who did it.

I personally don't think he will be near NZ team. Whitelock, Donnelly, Thorn are certainties if not injures as far as I am concerned. Jack/Boric/Williams/Ross playing for that last position

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Post by CJB Fri 20 May 2011, 7:53 pm

No thanks mate. Giteaus ratings are going down. I think in a few weeks it'd be worth you doing something along the lines of Lund 4 Lydiate

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Post by Bathite Fri 20 May 2011, 10:05 pm

Giteau still a great player!

All those young players you mentioned are very good players and worth keeping. Evans wood lambie corbsiero I would all have in my squad.

If you release those players, make sure you have 22 fit players for the game on Tuesday evening.

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Post by Bathite Fri 20 May 2011, 10:29 pm

Depends who you are playing. If away from home, it won't matter, if home to a bottom 4 team, it might make the difference.

Feel free to make offers mate, as many as you wish. Dont get disheartened if they get rejected, it's rarely an instant fix. Normally managers return with counter offers to get negotiations going anyway

In your team, my main target is bdp is you know and in general im looking to build my pack and depth in backs.

I look forward to your bid

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Post by Bathite Fri 20 May 2011, 10:32 pm

Oh and media page. It's just a bit of fun really. Good to read what people think of players and teams and things. Also, if you predict and do media page and respond to deals and are generally active in the game, it's likely people might vote for you in MOTM

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Post by CJB Fri 20 May 2011, 10:40 pm

No thanks, you got an issue with BDP? Wink

Don't really want to sell my Aussie backs they are all literally my favourite player in that position. Would take monstorous.

Yer come back in two weeks or so and I'd do something along lines of

Lund + X 4 Lydiate + Y
X needs to be over Y though

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Post by Bathite Fri 20 May 2011, 10:47 pm

Steenkamp & Cowan & Toeava
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Domingo & Kelleher & Kirchner

Well i have been here 8weeks now but first season, some of these guys done 4 in a row. I have asked loads of questions and got advice, happy to pass it on. Couple of managers have been rudey poo and messed it up for the rest, so I'm glad your on board and keen. Also, be good to get Toulon off the bottom.

Good deal to start with, I would be keen on that. Just that steen and Toeava are two of my favourite players. Let me sleep on it, I like kelleher a lot but he isn't getting any younger and toulouse have released him.

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Post by CJB Fri 20 May 2011, 11:14 pm

Sorry mate I think the gap is smaller between hookers

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Post by Bathite Sat 21 May 2011, 7:59 am

Alright mate, had a good think and im nearly there, just want a little tweak. You can keep Kelleher (4th ish in world top 10 rankings) and ill keep cowan (10th ish), I want to improve at hook. I have chucked in an extra £5m as well.

Steenkamp + Rees + Toeava + £5m
4
Domingo + BDP + Kirchner

With regards to my team, I started with the weakest squad in the league, but a big budget. Got Evans and Fourie in early doors, but because of the lack in quality in other areas, i struggled for results. Over the last month, i have added real quality with Burger, Nonu, Steenkamp, McCalman, Cowan coming in. Now i'm doing well in the predictions and have got 2 wins and a draw in my last 3 games.

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Post by Fluxy Sat 21 May 2011, 1:39 pm

Nice to meet you mate, and welcome to the league. I'm the Biarritz manager Hug

I'd keep BdP and Domingo for a while mate, it gives you an amazing cornerstone in your team IMO.

Starting offer from me 🍺

Giteau + Evans + Wood
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De Villiers + Heymans + Bonnaire

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Post by Fluxy Sat 21 May 2011, 2:01 pm

Yeah you've got the idea Hug

Though I would advise to be a bit more prudent, as IMO 207/In the fast lane got away with pinching Corbs of you.

I would consider losing Lobbe, but neither of us can afford to do a 2 for 1.

I could swap Heymans for Rokocoko possibly, but looking to use him in another deal. What do you say?

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Post by Bathite Sun 22 May 2011, 11:19 am

Its just not quite enough for me to lose Toeava. Don't rate kirchner and it breaks up my nz back three and there isn't much quality left at fb in foreigns.

I'm looking to improve my pack so thats why I dropped my gain with Cowan in favour of a gain with bdp

What about

Domingo + BDP + Kankowski + kirchner
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Steenkemp + Rees + McCalman + Toeava

Two gains for you two gains for me. I'll have to buy a replacement for Kank as no one likes him.

Vito plays for ospreys, got snapped up for 22m about three weeks ago




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Post by Bathite Sun 22 May 2011, 12:00 pm

It's a very fair deal, can't throw in cash as well as need it all to replace Kankowski, who people have called a deadweight. McCalman is top ten and a great player, sad to see him go.

Tends to be quiet at weekend mate but also will take time to pick up again after the switch over.

I'll confirm it

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Post by Bathite Sun 22 May 2011, 12:22 pm

Yeah experienced players in form is a sure bet for improving the team. I would be looking at flankers and a winger

Ouedraego
Higginbotham

Turner is the stand out winger left, get him in!
Then maybe
North
Howlett

Both around 20m I would say

In general, the standard of your team looks better already and you havent spent a penny!

The other thing you could do would be approach players in cash plus player deal. People will need cash at the moment.

Eg
Tuilagi + 5m = rockocoko

Etc etc


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Post by Bathite Sun 22 May 2011, 12:23 pm

Oh and I cant change my team page just yet as I'm only on phone

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 22 May 2011, 1:35 pm

I'm always last mate lol

No thanks on that deal, not a big fan of either players offred. I'd have done something with Domingo to get the French front row but see you've already sold him, shame.

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Post by CJB Sun 22 May 2011, 4:19 pm

Both my players are and no interest in cash

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Post by Driver Sun 22 May 2011, 4:41 pm

Bath Manger for reference

Interested in Tom Wood?

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Post by Fluxy Sun 22 May 2011, 6:34 pm

Alright mate, would you consider;

Lobbe + Bonnaire + Poitrenaud + De Villiers
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McCalman + Wood + Toeava + Giteau

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Post by Fluxy Sun 22 May 2011, 7:21 pm

I couldn't lose Brussow for Wood, unless you were willing to put another gain in for me.

I could add, Woodcock/Steenkamp or Heymans/Evans to my previous offer, but I am using then in other others at the minute - hence would need some real interest there to include them

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Post by pullthestrings Sun 22 May 2011, 7:27 pm

You budget is £45 mil, just to confirm.

Croft & Mermoz & Dagg
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Wood & Giteau & Toeava & 7 million

Never been keen on losing Croft so I can't do that. Any possible deal for Steenkamp?

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Post by pullthestrings Sun 22 May 2011, 8:03 pm

Ayerza & Croft & Mermoz & Rougerie
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Steenkamp & Wood & Giteau & Basteraud & 5million

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Not gonna lose Croft..

Ayerza + Toeava
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Steenkamp + Dagg

Enq.

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Post by Driver Sun 22 May 2011, 9:15 pm

Not wanting to loose Pocock mate thumbsup
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Post by pullthestrings Sun 22 May 2011, 9:50 pm

Toeava & Giteau
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Dagg & Mermoz

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Not keen on that, I like my midfield as it is.

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Post by pullthestrings Sun 22 May 2011, 10:19 pm

Genia is widely renouned as the best in the world at the moment, Kelleher is far from that these days.

Enq:

Ayerza + Moore + Mermoz
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Giteau + Steenkamp + Rees

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Post by pullthestrings Mon 23 May 2011, 2:19 pm

I haven't bothered looking back as I'm a little busy today but as far as I'm aware

Moore 3rd best behind Servat and BdP. Some rated Mealamu and Palota-Nau slightly higher but probably 3rd/4th on average.

Rees 7th/8th behind the top hookers pack.

Steenkamp consistantly top 5 loose head but not in the higher pack amongst Woodcock, Beat, Domingo.

Ayerza towards the latter end of the top 10, perhaps slightly outside but still rated.

Giteau and Mermoz pretty equal, lurking around the 5th-8th best 12 lists.

Hope that helps.

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Post by Driver Mon 23 May 2011, 4:30 pm

Mealamu + Brown + Butch James

for

Hibberd + Wood + Giteau?
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Post by Driver Mon 23 May 2011, 4:39 pm

Lambie can play 12....
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Post by Bathite Mon 23 May 2011, 4:47 pm

Clermont need front rowers and second rowers desperatly. Happy to consider deals for JVN, but will need gains in those areas.

Lawes and Cole available, so propose a deal and i will get back to you

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Post by Driver Mon 23 May 2011, 4:51 pm

Mealamu & Brown & Guildford & Ansbro
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Hibbard & Wood & Giteau & Basteraud

Go on then deal!
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Post by Bathite Mon 23 May 2011, 5:08 pm

No real point in me doing that deal mate, as I said, its the front five where the issue is.

Someone quality like Lawes will attract attention, especially to managers who have two good locks already and/or have cash to heal the injuries in the ERL shop.

FYI - £5m will replace an injury at random with another member of squad
£10m heals player instantly

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Post by Bathite Mon 23 May 2011, 5:10 pm

Who you going to play at 12 if you sell bastareud and giteau?

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Post by Bathite Mon 23 May 2011, 5:15 pm

Lawes and Cole up for grabs, not alexander, his ability to play both sides is crucial is such a small squad.

Jack and Williams is a nice combo, how about

Lawes
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Deacon + Nieto

Lawes rated higher in the rankings, so I need a makeweight in the deal and a 241 suits me down to the ground.

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Post by Bathite Mon 23 May 2011, 5:26 pm

Bloody hell you have done well there lad, team looks much better!

Serious issues with 12 though.

How about

Contepomi
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Steenkemp

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 23 May 2011, 6:11 pm

No thanks mate.

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Post by Fluxy Mon 23 May 2011, 9:35 pm

Not interested in that mate, sorry.

How about;

Woodcock + August + Davies
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Steenkamp + Mealamu + Ansbro

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Post by Fluxy Mon 23 May 2011, 10:23 pm

Kind of could do with a hooker;

Woodcock + August + Davies + Poitrenaud
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Steenkamp + Rees + Ansbro + Toeava

Better?


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Post by Bathite Tue 24 May 2011, 5:16 pm

No thanks blogs, don't want to lose Maitland, looking at rebuilding the back three now that i lost toeava.

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Post by Bathite Wed 25 May 2011, 3:03 pm

There isn't really a gain there for me. Cole is top 5, WP Nel no international caps and a huge step down.

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Post by Bathite Wed 25 May 2011, 3:18 pm

I'd do

Lawes + Tuilagi
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Deacon + Evans

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