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Part Moyes, part the squad SAF left him. Naive in the extreme to think yesterday would've ended up any different with SAF at the helm

Well done athleticoand Bayern..

Unlucky united. Decent effort.

Olly wrote:Enjoy the Calderon tonight Kia wherever you are in Madrid right now!

Backed Athletico to go through

Easy money!

You'd think moyes could send out a team to defend crosses. But no, incompetent as usual.

United didn't disgrace themselves over the two legs, could have been much worse.

Whats your gripe with Bayern? What modern vices do they represent? Cheap tickets? Reasonably justifiable salaries? Low-ish transfer expenditure? Awesome fans?

kingraf wrote:Whats your gripe with Bayern? What modern vices do they represent? Cheap tickets? Reasonably justifiable salaries? Low-ish transfer expenditure? Awesome fans?

Goal music #tinpot #likethenodge

John wrote:Yeah, Athletic Bilbao & Atletico Madrid. C'mon   

As for tonight, not sure how Moyes is going to somehow surprise Bayern tactically & get more possession. Everyone knows, Rooney at below 90% of fitness is non-effective, especially at this level. Playing & thrashing the Newcastle B side last week might have given confidence but can see Bayern turning the screw tonight. 3-1 to Bayern.

  

kingraf wrote:Whats your gripe with Bayern? What modern vices do they represent? Cheap tickets? Reasonably justifiable salaries? Low-ish transfer expenditure? Awesome fans?

Lowish transfer expenditure, you must be joking they have a monopoly of talent in Germany.

Nobody's leaving the stadium. Amazing night!!!

Ent wrote:You'd think moyes could send out a team to defend crosses. But no, incompetent as usual.

I wouldn't be so harsh mate..

You should be happy overall.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Nobody's leaving the stadium. Amazing night!!!

Congrats Kia, Simeone (dunno if I spelt that right) has done a fabulous job, easily manager of the year across Europe, without Diego Costa for the majority of this tie as well!

mystiroakey wrote:

Ent wrote:You'd think moyes could send out a team to defend crosses. But no, incompetent as usual.

I wouldn't be so harsh mate..

You should be happy overall.

With what more garbage?

We didn't get absolutely thrashed, woop de doo.

300k a week for a player who when presented with a virtual open net can't make the ball reach the touch line.

Pathetic.

I think it's quite clear that Moyes threw Rooney on the pitch more in hope then expectation with his injury.

Fernando wrote:I think it's quite clear that Moyes threw Rooney on the pitch more in hope then expectation with his injury.

Pretty clearly wasn't fit enough to play to me

Ad Fergie would have done the same.

from the BBC live text on the Atletico Barca game:

"We have the Champions League last four then. Atletico Madrid and Bayern Munich will join Real Madrid and Manchester United in Friday's draw"

whoops

in all fairness, Man u put up a decent fight over both legs, much better than most expected, but Barca had that bit of extra class. I'm not too sure about them though, they haven't really impressed me over both legs, and a team with a solid defense and pace on the counter could hurt them. Remind you of anyone?

Dunno special juan, reckon fergie might have got rid of rooney.

At the end of the day he can't do it at the highest elite level but is paid an elite salary. That doesn't add up.

I expect Chelsea to win the Champions League

If we don't Dolph I'll tell Roman it's your fault.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I expect Chelsea to win the Champions League

As I said pre quarters I had then as 2nd/3rd favourites. Mourinho bosses Europe

Mad for Chelsea wrote:from the BBC live text on the Atletico Barca game:

"We have the Champions League last four then. Atletico Madrid and Bayern Munich will join Real Madrid and Manchester United in Friday's draw"

whoops

in all fairness, Man u put up a decent fight over both legs, much better than most expected, but Barca had that bit of extra class. I'm not too sure about them though, they haven't really impressed me over both legs, and a team with a solid defense and pace on the counter could hurt them. Remind you of anyone?

whoops   

 

Hoping for:

Chelsea vs. Real Madrid
Bayern vs. Atletico

Cheers Olly. Never seen an atmosphere like that. At the end Barcelona ran out of steam. Simeone is a legend with how he's turned this team into believers.

Crimey wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:from the BBC live text on the Atletico Barca game:

"We have the Champions League last four then. Atletico Madrid and Bayern Munich will join Real Madrid and Manchester United in Friday's draw"

whoops

in all fairness, Man u put up a decent fight over both legs, much better than most expected, but Barca had that bit of extra class. I'm not too sure about them though, they haven't really impressed me over both legs, and a team with a solid defense and pace on the counter could hurt them. Remind you of anyone?

whoops   

 

oh dear



anyway they've corrected it now.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Cheers Olly. Never seen an atmosphere like that. At the end Barcelona ran out of steam. Simeone is a legend with how he's turned this team into believers.

What is more important for you to win, la liga or the CL?

United can take a lot of positives from the game tonight, more than matched the best team in the world for the first half, took the lead in the 2nd half, but just 3 lucky goals with a bit of poor defending was the killer. Can be proud though and gives them confidence for the rest of the season.


That goal from Evra was something special, pub went mental! I found myself jumping up and down and i wasn't even drinking.

Good game, but tonight belongs to ...

ATHLETICOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Saw there game live against Porto back in December, need to try and go back for the semis!!!!

Ent wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Ent wrote:You'd think moyes could send out a team to defend crosses. But no, incompetent as usual.

I wouldn't be so harsh mate..

You should be happy overall.

With what more garbage?

We didn't get absolutely thrashed, woop de doo.

300k a week for a player who when presented with a virtual open net can't make the ball reach the touch line.

Pathetic.

Try being a palace or Norwich fan for one day mate!

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Cheers Olly. Never seen an atmosphere like that. At the end Barcelona ran out of steam. Simeone is a legend with how he's turned this team into believers.

What is more important for you to win, la liga or the CL?

All blacks beating england every time they play us I think would trump all.

Great to see another rugby fan getting involved though.

Well done athleticooooooo

NickisBHAFC wrote:
That goal from Evra was something special, pub went mental! I found myself jumping up and down and i wasn't even drinking.

Their reaction a minute later must have been even more special.

 

The League means everything. Hopefully Turam and Costa come back. Champions is just enjoy every minute. People have already underestimated Atleti this year. May it continue.

Cheers oakey. 3 0 in June goes without saying.  

As I said last week, it's a situation that suited Moyes, underdogs, set his side out to frustrate Bayern and try to nick something.

Unfortunately Bayern are just too good for this United team.

Yeah but we didn't even make them worked hard for it, missed most of the few chances we created and gifted them goals by defending crosses very poorly.

Shambles really.

TBH the unknown element of Athletico worries me most as a PL (chelsea) fan.

Its unknown territory.

Chelsea could out United United 10 fold based on those two games and make the win stick v Bayern.

But does anyone know if Atletico's Keeper play against chelsea?

think moyes should have taken rooney off as the first change, he was truly shocking. at least wellbeck was offering a threat in behind stretching them and was a target. im sure people will blame the "injury" but he was just as poor in the first leg. not sure how a bruised toe can effect your game so badly and if so then dont play him the big girl

think it shows where we currently are that, people are saying good effort by us despite us being played off the pitch over two legs. wasnt that long ago that we could go head to head with any of these teams playing our own attacking way. and im not ready to accept that we should should just sit back and accept this.

of course this started under fergie, but under fergie we'd still come at any team at old trafford. and thats my biggest criticism with moyes over these two legs was that we were so defensive and poor at OT and some fans and moyes himself all went around and declared that 1-1 was some great result. think it showed tonight that if we had something to protect we really did have a chance with them.

anyway season over and pretty shocking all round. par in champions league i suppose, people are saying we did well purely because we have been so poor in everything else. feel its going to be a long summer for us with moyes at the helm

Well you are out of everything. Best thing to do is either keep him for another season or till Jan transfer or get rid tommorow to line up the next manager as soon as poss

United played well for 60 minutes but giving up that goal within a minute of scoring the go ahead goal I knew that there was only going to be one winner. Bayern still look like the big favorite. I'd love to see Atleti pull off the Cinderella story and win this thing and pull the league double. They have a fraction of the payroll and transfer budget of the other sides left in the competition. Yet, they have been punching above their weight for a few seasons now under Simeone, maybe Simeone has taken the mantle as that big difference making manager who can lead a side to the biggest trophies with little money like Jose did at Porto.

The Special Juan wrote:Whatever happens, Utd have made the champions of Europe look ordinary for over a game and a half.  Moyes hasn't shamed himself at all in the CL this year either.

True, theres always next year.

mystiroakey wrote:TBH the unknown element of Athletico worries me most as a PL (chelsea) fan.

Its unknown territory.

Chelsea could out United United 10 fold based on those two games and make the win stick v Bayern.

But does anyone know if Atletico's Keeper play against chelsea?

There is no rule against it depends what Chelsea put in the deal id have thought.

Atletico president has said he will not play if we meet in the semi. Apparently there's an agreement that they'd have to pay us around £8m or £4m per game to play him.

There is a clause that states Atleti must pay 3 million euros per game. If not he can't play. Despite being a factory for selling talent Atletis debt makes that impossible.

compelling and rich wrote:wasnt that long ago that we could go head to head with any of these teams playing our own attacking way. and im not ready to accept that we should should just sit back and accept this.

I'm not sure when you think this was? This is was almost identical to the games against Barcelona in the Champions League that United had over the past few years.

Chelsea have allways had to counter the threat of pep - so have united.

Crimey wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:wasnt that long ago that we could go head to head with any of these teams playing our own attacking way. and im not ready to accept that we should should just sit back and accept this.

I'm not sure when you think this was? This is was almost identical to the games against Barcelona in the Champions League that United had over the past few years.

2011 final was, but as i said this has started under fergie in recent years but not at OT, this being in a neutral venue against a better barca team. bayern are good but they aint got anybody near messi, inestia or then xavi.

certainly wasn't how we played in the 08 and 09 finals. 09 we were beat fair and square but we play a very attacking team. we have to strive to get back to the 08/09 level. even if you dont take into account getting beat by the best team in recent history you only have to look at when we got knocked out against bayern in 10, we were battering them at home all until rafael got sent off. the difference between that tie and this one was astronomical

I swear, United fans think Ferguson was some gung ho manager. He'd have done exactly what Moyes did under those circumstances

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I swear, United fans think Ferguson was some gung ho manager. He'd have done exactly what Moyes did under those circumstances

Indeed

Seem to remember Utd being incredibly defensive in that Citeh away game a few years back on MNF

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I swear, United fans think Ferguson was some gung ho manager. He'd have done exactly what Moyes did under those circumstances

away from home certainly, its common sense thats how you should set up. at home we have never ever had possession lower than moyes united did in the first leg. ive never seen us so defensive at home

I may be in the minority but I think Moyes did not hurt United with his set up or the dubs. They had bayern frustrated and if Valencia checked his run by just step they could have won this tie. He might of taken off Rooney sooner but a player like Rooney is the only world class guy you got in there and maybe he does something magical on a set piece or delivers something special

No you are not in the minority at all.

But I would have brought fletcher off earlier if I was him

Yeah but that isn't the reason they lost the match. If ManU was just a little more clinical in finishing they could have pulled off an epic smash and grab and stole this tie from Munich. They had little of the ball in the first tie but actually created the better chances. And for the first 60 minutes of the match United had less of the ball and created less in terms of shots but the best opportunities again where in United's favor. Wellbeck and Rooney left a lot of chances in these two matches begging and Wellbeck was robbed of a goal that really shouldn't have been waived off. Don't get me wrong United were not the better team and they were outplayed but if anything Moyes had the right tactics and lineup that gave them the best chance to win against a side they were always going to be underdogs in. Maybe he should have done a couple of little things differently hindsight is 20/20 but United had good chances at goal and kept Bayern bottled up till 150 minutes in this tie. He may not be the right man for the job but I think he did a good job in putting his team in a good position in this tie and was a bit unfortunate at the wastefulness of strikers that didn't deliver on this ocassion.

I agree. Tactics close to spot on.

Moyes is going slightly up in my estimation . however it still doesn't make him a top club manager just proven to be a good underdog one.

It just has brought him back to how he was at Everton.