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by GSC Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:24 pm

First topic message reminder :

Part Moyes, part the squad SAF left him. Naive in the extreme to think yesterday would've ended up any different with SAF at the helm

by compelling and rich Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:29 pm

The Special Juan wrote:Or Fletcher in 2008

nope, big difference. Fletchers wasn't even a foul

by Fernando Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:30 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:
Fernando wrote:Xabi Alonso out of CL final through suspension. Such a ridiculous rule

OI! Why aren't you at the Chesham play off game tonight?

Because i have the grand sum of £0 but keeping up via twitter Sad

by mystiroakey Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:31 pm

compelling and rich wrote:im just glad we played bayern instead of real, think real would have really embarrassed us

to be fair you did a moyes/mourinhio/pulis- so well organised- you cant counter a team that isnt attacking and trying to play counter- so it may not have been embarrasing

by Fernando Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:32 pm

Ribery gunna get done by Uefa id expect just slapped the Madrid player Laugh

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:33 pm

The Special Juan wrote:But, to me, they've never looked anywhere near winning it. I'm not going to say they were lucky to beat Utd because that would be bitter, blinkered and downright false but they didn't start playing until Utd scored (in both legs) and the final scoreline flattered them. Also, all their goals came as a result of either shots from distance or high balls into the box - not the Pep way. They struggle to break down the best teams and that's where they have regressed.

Didn't messi score a header in the final against utd?

Why does how they score matter that's just ridiculous tsj come on

by compelling and rich Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:33 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:im just glad we played bayern instead of real, think real would have really embarrassed us

to be fair you did a moyes/mourinhio/pulis- so well organised- you cant counter a team that isnt attacking and trying to play counter- so it may not have been embarrasing

true, but real have something we really lack in pace. and they play at pace unlike bayern who can be pedestrian under pep

by kingraf Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:34 pm

Ronnie going for goal

by GSC Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:35 pm

Well organised defensive teams will cause any team problems. Look at Liverpool's 11 game win streak ending.

Ultimately, nobody's invincible

by Fernando Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:36 pm

HT Bayern 0-3 Madrid - (0-4 on Agg)

by mystiroakey Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:37 pm

had a trump(snooker) madrid double.

looking good so far Wink

by Duty281 Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:38 pm

What a shambles of a game.

Embarrassing antics from both teams, chiefly Scarface leading with a little bitch slap.

It's all going to kick off in the second half, isn't it?

Premier club competition in the world? Laugh

This is cringeworthy to watch.

by The Special Juan Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:38 pm

Olly wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:But, to me, they've never looked anywhere near winning it. I'm not going to say they were lucky to beat Utd because that would be bitter, blinkered and downright false but they didn't start playing until Utd scored (in both legs) and the final scoreline flattered them. Also, all their goals came as a result of either shots from distance or high balls into the box - not the Pep way. They struggle to break down the best teams and that's where they have regressed.

Didn't messi score a header in the final against utd?

Why does how they score matter that's just ridiculous tsj come on

What? All I'm saying (in a long winded way) is that they look a shadow of the team they were last year and I'd say they had better players now than then!! Real are doing to them what they did to Barcelona and the irony is that it's the same style of football.

by Fernando Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:38 pm

Madrid to win 5-0 - 25/1

by kingraf Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:39 pm

Must say, I'm undecided over whether Real's counter is better now vs the Mourinho side.

Think it's faster now - what with Modric replacing Khedira, and Bale sort of replacing Ozil.... But it was more... efficient under Mourinho.

by GSC Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:41 pm

People just hate dominance. We prefer a loveable underdog to a great side.

by kiakahaaotearoa Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:43 pm

atlético will outdo their rivals tomorrow. Very Happy

Was actually hoping for bayern to go through.

by compelling and rich Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:44 pm

kingraf wrote:Must say, I'm undecided over whether Real's counter is better now vs the Mourinho side.

Think it's faster now - what with Modric replacing Khedira, and Bale sort of replacing Ozil.... But it was more... efficient under Mourinho.

on the counter bale is a much better player than ozil. probably only his team mate next to him who is more dangerous than bale on the break

by kingraf Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:45 pm

Dammit, what the hell did Ronaldo's celebration mean? Surely symbolizing La Decima? Or was he counting in multiples of five?

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:47 pm

I can't see how anybody can deny that Bayern have regressed under Pep, they were dominant in Europe last season this year they have looked fairly average and that's down to the style he has them playing. A one trick pony who had the benefit of having world class players who had already been moulded by Riijkaard.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:47 pm

The Special Juan wrote:
Olly wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:But, to me, they've never looked anywhere near winning it. I'm not going to say they were lucky to beat Utd because that would be bitter, blinkered and downright false but they didn't start playing until Utd scored (in both legs) and the final scoreline flattered them. Also, all their goals came as a result of either shots from distance or high balls into the box - not the Pep way. They struggle to break down the best teams and that's where they have regressed.

Didn't messi score a header in the final against utd?

Why does how they score matter that's just ridiculous tsj come on

What? All I'm saying (in a long winded way) is that they look a shadow of the team they were last year and I'd say they had better players now than then!! Real are doing to them what they did to Barcelona and the irony is that it's the same style of football.

A shadow of the team? They're still in the semis of the CL, won the Bundesliga better than last year, they've fallen off over the past month and had a dip, but they've not regressed massively! Also gotta take into account pep has been dealing with the loss of one of his best mates over the last week, would imagine his mind is elsewhere tbh

How about some credit for Madrid?! There's not many that could handle a Bale/Ronaldo/Di Maria counter

by mystiroakey Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:49 pm

to slow in the build up with the players they have- they over play- its just obvious- these players are not barca players- they are just as good IMO- but this system doesn't suit. And its not just us noticing it- The Bayern fans may be glad with winning the Bundes- but they dont like his style either. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes

by compelling and rich Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:50 pm

Olly wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:
Olly wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:But, to me, they've never looked anywhere near winning it. I'm not going to say they were lucky to beat Utd because that would be bitter, blinkered and downright false but they didn't start playing until Utd scored (in both legs) and the final scoreline flattered them. Also, all their goals came as a result of either shots from distance or high balls into the box - not the Pep way. They struggle to break down the best teams and that's where they have regressed.

Didn't messi score a header in the final against utd?

Why does how they score matter that's just ridiculous tsj come on

What? All I'm saying (in a long winded way) is that they look a shadow of the team they were last year and I'd say they had better players now than then!! Real are doing to them what they did to Barcelona and the irony is that it's the same style of football.

A shadow of the team? They're still in the semis of the CL, won the Bundesliga better than last year, they've fallen off over the past month and had a dip, but they've not regressed massively! Also gotta take into account pep has been dealing with the loss of one of his best mates over the last week, would imagine his mind is elsewhere tbh

How about some credit for Madrid?! There's not many that could handle a Bale/Ronaldo/Di Maria counter

its not the counter thats killed them, its the inability to defend set pieces thats cost them. of course now the counter will be massive but it wouldnt have if they could defend corners

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:51 pm

Why try fixing something that isn't broke, it's managerial stupidity.

by kingraf Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:52 pm

Guardi-balla is a philosophy. Hardly a failed season. League, cup final, Champs League Semis... he stays, and they'll be back.

by mystiroakey Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:54 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
Olly wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:
Olly wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:But, to me, they've never looked anywhere near winning it. I'm not going to say they were lucky to beat Utd because that would be bitter, blinkered and downright false but they didn't start playing until Utd scored (in both legs) and the final scoreline flattered them. Also, all their goals came as a result of either shots from distance or high balls into the box - not the Pep way. They struggle to break down the best teams and that's where they have regressed.

Didn't messi score a header in the final against utd?

Why does how they score matter that's just ridiculous tsj come on

What? All I'm saying (in a long winded way) is that they look a shadow of the team they were last year and I'd say they had better players now than then!! Real are doing to them what they did to Barcelona and the irony is that it's the same style of football.

A shadow of the team? They're still in the semis of the CL, won the Bundesliga better than last year, they've fallen off over the past month and had a dip, but they've not regressed massively! Also gotta take into account pep has been dealing with the loss of one of his best mates over the last week, would imagine his mind is elsewhere tbh

How about some credit for Madrid?! There's not many that could handle a Bale/Ronaldo/Di Maria counter

its not the counter thats killed them, its the inability to defend set pieces thats cost them. of course now the counter will be massive but it wouldnt have if they could defend corners

well to be honest they could have been 3 down due to the counter- bales pass to ronnie on the counter- and bale should have clipped that ball in from 40 yards when the keeper was nowhere- as also ronnie could have.

yes shocking defending in the set piece- but even without that - RM still well on top threatening counter

by GSC Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:56 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Why try fixing something that isn't broke, it's managerial stupidity.

Is this a serious post. You evolve or get passed on the food chain

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:00 pm

You evolve sensibly using the strengths of your team but you don't try replicating what you did with a different set of players with a totally different skillset. Pep is the most over rated manager in world football and I hope Bayern fall to pieces with him in charge.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:01 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You evolve sensibly using the strengths of your team but you don't try replicating what you did with a different set of players with a totally different skillset. Pep is the most over rated manager in world football and I hope Bayern fall to pieces with him in charge.

Yeah he's only got two cl wins, league titles in two countries, numerous domestic trophies, what an overrated manager

by AberdeenSteve Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:02 pm

GSC wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Why try fixing something that isn't broke, it's managerial stupidity.

Is this a serious post. You evolve or get passed on the food chain

Passed on the food chain by what exactly? Madrid are playing no differently to what they would have played like against Barcelona under Guardiola. Madrid have a strike force worth £200m. Teams have off days, Bayern will be back in the summer. Lewandowski will improve them ten fold.

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:02 pm

There's more to it than looking at the numbers Olly, he has no tactical variety and that one gameplan has been found out in the past couple of years.

by kingraf Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:04 pm

You forget Olly -His success at Barca was handed to him, so it doesn't count. And the Bundesliga isn't even a proper league, so it doesn't count. Therefore, Pep hasn't done sheiet

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:05 pm

Pep is David Moyes

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:05 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:There's more to it than looking at the numbers Olly, he has no tactical variety and that one gameplan has been found out in the past couple of years.

Football is a results business right?

by AberdeenSteve Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:05 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:There's more to it than looking at the numbers Olly, he has no tactical variety and that one gameplan has been found out in the past couple of years.

Yet he still won the Bundesliga and has a team in the Champions League semi-final. People will remember the numbers, not that one game against Madrid. Ridiculous.

Raf, REALLY? It's the Bundesliga so it doesn't count? Even more ridiculous.

by mystiroakey Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:06 pm

grafs post was sarcastic Steve. He is a bayern fan

by kingraf Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:06 pm

I still don't know how Lewandowski fit in a Guardiola team. He's a very good striker, but that's it. You need to be a rounded footballer to play Guardiballa

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:06 pm

He was being facetious Steve.

by GSC Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:07 pm

Each coach has his own beliefs and philosophies on how to play and these are expressed in their sides. That said Bayern definitely aren't identical in style to Peps Barca. You only have to see who's playing up front for that.

by Fernando Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:08 pm

#PepForArsenal CL Last 16 - Page 14 3559488474

by AberdeenSteve Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:08 pm

I've only just returned, I don't know who supports who... Whistle

by mystiroakey Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:08 pm

Fernando wrote:#PepForArsenal

well it would work

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:10 pm

AberdeenSteve wrote:I've only just returned, I don't who supports who...

Mysti supports Wilfred Zaha.

by GSC Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:10 pm

Damn I didn't even read the overrated comment.

Jesus.

Peps done in 5 years what most managers never accomplish.

by mystiroakey Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:10 pm

FreekShow wrote:
AberdeenSteve wrote:I've only just returned, I don't who supports who...

Mysti supports Wilfred Zaha.

just palace and ex palace and ENGLAND!!!

by NickisBHAFC Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:11 pm

If anyone think Pep is over rated, then i think its fair to say there a bit of a wally

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:13 pm

Olly wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:There's more to it than looking at the numbers Olly, he has no tactical variety and that one gameplan has been found out in the past couple of years.

Football is a results business right?

Taking over Riijkaards Barca and then Heynckes Bayern is probably the easiest path to success you could hope for and whether you or anyone wants to admit it, Bayern have gone backwards.

by GSC Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:13 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:If anyone think Pep is over rated, then i think its fair to say there a bit of a wally

Me and Nick agree, it must be true. Laugh

by mystiroakey Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:13 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:If anyone think Pep is over rated, then i think its fair to say there a bit of a wally

amazing manager- but for the right teams IMO.

Bayern would have won the league this year with moyes.

He will be back at barca . I would put money on itl But he would also do miracles at arsernal

by GSC Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:14 pm

He seriously cited Rikjaards Barca. Seriously.

Dense isn't the word

by compelling and rich Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:15 pm

pep has done great dont think anyone can argue with his record but i do think he's been extremely lucky in that he's been gifted two of the greatest squads of our generation

could many other managers have had similar success with the teams pep was given. very possible imo

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