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Interesting article on main bbc sport page, can't paste link from mobile site...but I thought our Celtic cousins would particularly enjoy this quote from Ian Ritchie towards the end of the article...
"We spent a lot of time with Mark McCafferty and Bruce Craig at Premiership Rugby, and there was a lot of imagination and creativity coming out of them to try and secure this deal as well. So you have to look at this as a team approach.
"I think it's been well worth the effort. We have a very exciting competition ahead, and a great future for the game in Europe."
Interesting article on main bbc sport page, can't paste link from mobile site...but I thought our Celtic cousins would particularly enjoy this quote from Ian Ritchie towards the end of the article...
"We spent a lot of time with Mark McCafferty and Bruce Craig at Premiership Rugby, and there was a lot of imagination and creativity coming out of them to try and secure this deal as well. So you have to look at this as a team approach.
"I think it's been well worth the effort. We have a very exciting competition ahead, and a great future for the game in Europe."
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LOL.
6n combined with RWC performance makes the case clearer. Although it's not just Italy or Scotland that fail to make it out of their group stages...
6n combined with RWC performance makes the case clearer. Although it's not just Italy or Scotland that fail to make it out of their group stages...
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Italian rugby has taken a such a huge step backwards this year its scarcely believable. In the space of a year they went from nearly beating the likes of AUS and ENG to conceding 50 poinst against them.HammerofThunor wrote:Italy are the most consistent team, followed by Scotland. I think Italy have been either 5th or 6th for all but two years in the last 15 years. Similar for Scotland. That's pretty darn consistent.
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quinsforever wrote:Best win ratio. And significantly best net points difference. Over 15 yrs I would say that is quite some margin. And if u reduce the timescale the English relative performance looks better and better actually.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.....
If you reduce the timescale the 3 GS by Wales looks impressive. If you increase the timescale the fact that France didnt win their first GS until 1968 that makes their record pretty impressive....at the end of the day if you like losing and having pretty statistics England look er...ok..but if you take GS its 3 all to Wales and France and 1 all to Ireland and England or 5 championships to France (pretty consistent), 4 all England and Wales (only one GS for England) and 2 for Ireland...hmm...all points to across La Manche wouldnt you say?
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Leinsters 20k+ per game support stems from HC success over the last 7 years or whatever it is. U obviously can't see that this is nothing to do with nor any indication of the viability of commercial attractiveness of the rabo, most of whose teams have no HC success to boost their bums on seats.
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Crikey didnt realise the English championships were towards the start of the century...kind of goes in line with their club performances in the HEC. Will be interesting to see if the new deal helps the clubs any....
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quinsforever wrote:Best win ratio. And significantly best net points difference. Over 15 yrs I would say that is quite some margin. And if u reduce the timescale the English relative performance looks better and better actually.
Quite some margins me arse!
England lost 23 games. France lost 23 games. Ireland lost 24.
France has won 3 Grand Slams in that period and 5 Championships.
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I know all those stats by heart ME.
Reality is, there are only 2 NH sides who present a real threat at RWCs. England and France. U know it and I know it.
Reality is, there are only 2 NH sides who present a real threat at RWCs. England and France. U know it and I know it.
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quinsforever wrote:Leinsters 20k+ per game support stems from HC success over the last 7 years or whatever it is. U obviously can't see that this is nothing to do with nor any indication of the viability of commercial attractiveness of the rabo, most of whose teams have no HC success to boost their bums on seats.
Careful Quins you are really getting out of your depth now even more so than usual. Leinster have done an excellent job at cultivating their support regardless of the HC in how they have grown their business, Munster should be getting the same numbers but dont because commercially we made some big mistakes...having said that . I guess the big crowds at Leinster/Munster/Ulster games are all to do with the HC even though we rarely meet, Games with the Ospreys, Scarlets etc are always big crowd pullers...again nothing to do with the HC...
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Tries scored. Average points difference per game.
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What were Leinsters avg crowds during rabo before they won an HC?
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quinsforever wrote:I know all those stats by heart ME.
Reality is, there are only 2 NH sides who present a real threat at RWCs. England and France. U know it and I know it.
Well the English are trying to buy the HC but wont be able to buy the RWC...last time I checked it was Wales and France who were the biggest threat...
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Are u crazed? Wales and France better bets than England at a home RWC? Go to a bookies. Or maybe look at the IRB rankings? Or ask any ABs, Saffers or Aus test players.
Or not, and stick with your anyone but England mentality.
Or not, and stick with your anyone but England mentality.
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quinsforever wrote:Leinsters 20k+ per game support stems from HC success over the last 7 years or whatever it is. U obviously can't see that this is nothing to do with nor any indication of the viability of commercial attractiveness of the rabo, most of whose teams have no HC success to boost their bums on seats.
Leinster v Munster in aviva 51.7K
Watched by 750K (TG4) on tv (29 March)
Meanwhile, back in the English Premiership, they were having their London derbys.
Quins v London Irish - 14,800
Wasps v Saracens - 6,449
Midland derby
Saints v Leicester 13,459
Total at these games = 34,708. TV viewers 151K (according to BARB).
I'd say that rugby looks a lot healthier in Ireland than it does in England going on those figures
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Of course! the HC is the biggest club tournament in the world. If you can't grow your support while having success in that tournament something is really wrong with your club.quinsforever wrote:Leinsters 20k+ per game support stems from HC success over the last 7 years or whatever it is. U obviously can't see that this is nothing to do with nor any indication of the viability of commercial attractiveness of the rabo, most of whose teams have no HC success to boost their bums on seats.
But your making a totally different point now. Your point was that teams don;t care about that rabo which is obviously false. Don't tell us what competitions we do and don't care about.
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Look at Glasgow...best crowd of the season last weekend against Ulster....and all for the Rabo...
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I don't care about the rabo. I enjoy top14 and AP.
Rabo teams who care more about HC haven't had to care about rabo too much as they qualify automatically.
Rabo teams who care more about HC haven't had to care about rabo too much as they qualify automatically.
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quinsforever wrote:Are u crazed? Wales and France better bets than England at a home RWC? Go to a bookies. Or maybe look at the IRB rankings? Or ask any ABs, Saffers or Aus test players.
Or not, and stick with your anyone but England mentality.
You will be dropping like stones down the rankings after your next 3 international encounters The ABs won't get the trots back home!
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quinsforever wrote:I don't care about the rabo. I enjoy top14 and AP.
Rabo teams who care more about HC haven't had to care about rabo too much as they qualify automatically.
oh hang on its QF...
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Sin e. Reality is even if we lose it's not gojng to hurt our ranking. At all. It's all in the maths. And if we get one win in NZ we will zip up to 3rd comfortably.
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Sin é wrote:quinsforever wrote:Are u crazed? Wales and France better bets than England at a home RWC? Go to a bookies. Or maybe look at the IRB rankings? Or ask any ABs, Saffers or Aus test players.
Or not, and stick with your anyone but England mentality.
You will be dropping like stones down the rankings after your next 3 international encounters The ABs won't get the trots back home!
Oh bless...its the ABE argument. All that was being pointed out were the facts that France have won more championships and GS, and are even with Wales...you said England and France were the only ones capable of challenging for the WC and it was just pointed out that Wales and France did in the last one....
anything else?
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So if Leinster haven't had to care about the Rabo then why have we been in the last 4 finals and getting 20k plus average attendances?quinsforever wrote:I don't care about the rabo. I enjoy top14 and AP.
Rabo teams who care more about HC haven't had to care about rabo too much as they qualify automatically.
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U suggested wales and France were most likely to threaten in the next one.
I begged to differ.
I begged to differ.
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quinsforever wrote:I don't care about the rabo. I enjoy top14 and AP.
Rabo teams who care more about HC haven't had to care about rabo too much as they qualify automatically.
6 English teams qualify automatically.
Only 1 Irish, 1 Scottish, 1 Welsh & 1 Italian team qualifies automatically.
As well as that - Scarlets are 6th in the Pro12 and won't qualify for the Heineken Cup like the 6th place English club.
Scarlets are better than Sales Sharks.
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`Nope... I said last time the cup was on Wales and France were the NH reps...for the next one...who knows, last time I checked as well IReland had won the recent 6ns....
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quinsforever wrote:Sin e. Reality is even if we lose it's not gojng to hurt our ranking. At all. It's all in the maths. And if we get one win in NZ we will zip up to 3rd comfortably.
What will hurt your rankings though is if Wales, France or Ireland have a win on their tours.
Its like this, if they move up, you move down - you don't stay in the same spot.
Edit - Ireland are going to Argentina so could pick up a few points there.
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quinsforever wrote:U suggested wales and France were most likely to threaten in the next one.
I begged to differ.
Good luck to you getting out of your pool with Australia & Wales (even if you are at home)!
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Sin e the irb rankings are points based so absolutely do NOT mean a team has to go up or down. If NZ lose to For example, NZ will still be top but the gap will have narrowed. It's maths innit. Not a ladder.
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ME that's not what u said. Go back and read what u wrote. Maybe in your mind it was clear. Less so when read by someone else.
And anyway regarding the last RWC, England were improving and got knocked out by a France that had lost 2 pool matches but went on to get robbed by NZ in the final. So hardly a ringing endorsement of France's quality or England's inferiority. Did Ireland make it out of the group stage in this one?
And anyway regarding the last RWC, England were improving and got knocked out by a France that had lost 2 pool matches but went on to get robbed by NZ in the final. So hardly a ringing endorsement of France's quality or England's inferiority. Did Ireland make it out of the group stage in this one?
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quinsforever wrote:Sin e the irb rankings are points based so absolutely do NOT mean a team has to go up or down. If NZ lose to For example, NZ will still be top but the gap will have narrowed. It's maths innit. Not a ladder.
If England stays static at 85.68 and say Ireland (82.13) wins both their matches (away wins), Ireland will move ahead of you.
Similarly with Wales & France if they have an away win.
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quinsforever wrote:ME that's not what u said. Go back and read what u wrote. Maybe in your mind it was clear. Less so when read by someone else.
And anyway regarding the last RWC, England were improving and got knocked out by a France that had lost 2 pool matches but went on to get robbed by NZ in the final. So hardly a ringing endorsement of France's quality or England's inferiority. Did Ireland make it out of the group stage in this one?
Ireland beat Australia to top its pool at the last world cup. Only NH country to beat one of the Big 3.
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Sin é wrote:quinsforever wrote:Sin e the irb rankings are points based so absolutely do NOT mean a team has to go up or down. If NZ lose to For example, NZ will still be top but the gap will have narrowed. It's maths innit. Not a ladder.
If England stays static at 85.68 and say Ireland (82.13) wins both their matches (away wins), Ireland will move ahead of you.
Similarly with Wales & France if they have an away win.
England will stay static (unless they win ).
Ireland on 82.13 and Argentina are on on 79.44 (with home advantage). So if Ireland win they will get less than 1 point (but let's say it's 1 and they thrash them so it's 1.5). For the next game the go would widen so Ireland would get less even if they thrash them. So let's say 1.5 again, just as a too larger, upper limit.
That would be and extra 3 points for Ireland, putting them on 85.13. So still behind England...so no, there is no way for Ireland the to ahead of England this summer. It would have to wait until the Autumn.
[I think it would be about 0.77 (1.11) for the first game]
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Sin é wrote:quinsforever wrote:ME that's not what u said. Go back and read what u wrote. Maybe in your mind it was clear. Less so when read by someone else.
And anyway regarding the last RWC, England were improving and got knocked out by a France that had lost 2 pool matches but went on to get robbed by NZ in the final. So hardly a ringing endorsement of France's quality or England's inferiority. Did Ireland make it out of the group stage in this one?
Ireland beat Australia to top its pool at the last world cup. Only NH country to beat one of the Big 3.
England weren't given a chance as they were knocked out by 2nd at the same stage Ireland were knocked by 4th. Of course this doesn't mean squat in the real world but WTF does reality have to do with this place?
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Sin é wrote:quinsforever wrote:Leinsters 20k+ per game support stems from HC success over the last 7 years or whatever it is. U obviously can't see that this is nothing to do with nor any indication of the viability of commercial attractiveness of the rabo, most of whose teams have no HC success to boost their bums on seats.
Leinster v Munster in aviva 51.7K
Watched by 750K (TG4) on tv (29 March)
Meanwhile, back in the English Premiership, they were having their London derbys.
Quins v London Irish - 14,800
Wasps v Saracens - 6,449
Midland derby
Saints v Leicester 13,459 <_ Considering their ground only holds this many people they couldn't of gotten any more.
Total at these games = 34,708. TV viewers 151K (according to BARB).
I'd say that rugby looks a lot healthier in Ireland than it does in England going on those figures
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Sin é wrote:quinsforever wrote:I don't care about the rabo. I enjoy top14 and AP.
Rabo teams who care more about HC haven't had to care about rabo too much as they qualify automatically.
6 English teams qualify automatically.
Only 1 Irish, 1 Scottish, 1 Welsh & 1 Italian team qualifies automatically.
As well as that - Scarlets are 6th in the Pro12 and won't qualify for the Heineken Cup like the 6th place English club.
Scarlets are better than Sales Sharks.
Simply not true.
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Rumours circulating that the brave new world is getting knocked back by a number of potential sponsors - hence the reported delay till September in announcing
Will be very interesting in seeing the value of the final package
Will be very interesting in seeing the value of the final package
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geoff998rugby wrote:Rumours circulating that the brave new world is getting knocked back by a number of potential sponsors - hence the reported delay till September in announcing
Will be very interesting in seeing the value of the final package
You got any links to the rumours? sounds interesting.
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I'll try and get them
Both Diageo and Amlin have said they are not interested
So no Guiness then
Both Diageo and Amlin have said they are not interested
So no Guiness then
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geoff998rugby wrote:I'll try and get them
Both Diageo and Amlin have said they are not interested
So no Guiness then
I think Guiness have just renewed with the english premiership
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Just the beer sponsor, as they are with the RFU I think.
http://www.sportbusiness.com/sponsorship-insider/guinness-pours-premiership-rugby-extension
http://www.sportbusiness.com/sponsorship-insider/guinness-pours-premiership-rugby-extension
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Yeah didn't mean the main sponsor (Aviva)
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With the new competition there will be no main sponsor but a plan to have something like 5 - as I understand it Diageo have said no to any involvement
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Surprising that Amlin are not interested since they do business on continental europe.
I'd imagine that alcohol companies would stay away from it if Heineken are having any involvement.
Its going to take a few years to get decent sponsors. At the RFU's Marketing conference, they were saying that companies plan their sponsorships about 4 years in advance.
I'd imagine that alcohol companies would stay away from it if Heineken are having any involvement.
Its going to take a few years to get decent sponsors. At the RFU's Marketing conference, they were saying that companies plan their sponsorships about 4 years in advance.
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geoff998rugby wrote:With the new competition there will be no main sponsor but a plan to have something like 5 - as I understand it Diageo have said no to any involvement
ah cool, didn't realise that.
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