Warren delusion ?? - Where is the demand for Fury - Chisora ?

Apparently ticket sales are slow for this one...I think Warren is under the illusion It's another Haye -Chisore but here are the problems...

1. Haye was in a super fight and as such was a marquee name.
2. There was a very public dust up that got mass exposure for that fight..Controversy sells.
3. Most sport fans only have a vague idea who these two are.
4. Those that do know them....Remember the previous stinker..
5. There is no real prize for winning....Fury is either the stiff we think he is or Perennial loser Derek loses again..This mandatory stuff fools no one...Both can get a shot anyway..

There is no catch for this fight...It looks overpriced and no one rates the fighters...

You can put lipstick on a pig......But it's still a pig !!

its a fight i wouldnt mind watching if it was on tv, but certainly wouldn't be bothered going to even if it is on my door step. in fact i wont even bother getting boxnation to watch it

I agree Truss, if it was being held in a hall round the corner from myself I still wouldn't bother to go and see it, didn't watch the first fight and won't be watching the rematch. The only interest people have in the fight is the hope that Fury gets knocked out.

An in-shape Chisora wins.

I think it will be a decent scrap, both are considered as top 10 heavyweights and that has to be better than fights where contenders fight cruiserweights or no hopers. I would not pay to attend it live, but will definitely watch it on the box. I do think Frank Warren is overestimating its appeal a bit, but once Groves and Froch has been settled this one will start getting some headlines and no doubt ticket sales will pick up.
Chisora wins in 4 rounds (if his conditioning is right).

I moaned at the time about ticket pricing for this. 
Warren made a big song and dance about how fast the tickets would go.... Still less than half sold!

I've been blocked by the Frank Warren account on twitter for making a nothing comment about slow sales. 

Fact of the matter is that the tickets are far too expensive, can't see it selling out.... In Fury's home town too... Maybe leisure centres on channel 5 were his natural home.

The fight is not that unappealing. Both are of a similar level of ability and would think they are in a similar kind of place ranking wise with regard to the chasing pack. As such not sure as fans we should bemoan even match ups too greatly. Neither are exactly great heavies, but such is the division nowadays, you’d probably have to say outside of Wlad neither would be huge underdogs against anyone else in the division.

Think I agree with Hogey that once Froch is out of the way this will start to get some headlines and sales will probably pick up. Think the real issue for Frank though is if tickets are slow he does not really have the stable to stack the undercard and make things attractive that way. Certainly not a fight I would buy a ticket for, but as a non boxnation subscriber if it was on in my local I’d probably make the effort to go and watch it.

There is a point to Groves-Froch...

This fight I don't see a point..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:There is a point to Groves-Froch...

This fight I don't see a point..

What do you not see the point in ? The winner is a step closer to a world title shot, I agree its receiving a unrealistic billing and one I wouldnt attend, but lets be honest its as appealing as most HW dust up these days which really tells its own story.

Cheers Rodders

Think I'll make a Truss point

Two best ranked heavies in Britain...

No point....?

Both characters.... If it was on Sky it'd be a big fight....

It's probably more appealing than most, Stiverne Arreola was the exception this past weekend.

My point is that It's not a bigger fight as Warren thinks it is and that this step closer stuff Rodders is coming out with is crap and he knows it..

Chisora was coming off two defeats when he bagged Vitali.

Leave it out Roddy

I agree with the first half of your comment Truss, but it will inevitably add leverage for a world title tilt for the victor. Both are known not just here but by the alphabet boys, it has as much point as a Macklin v Murray fight for instance.

Cheers Rodders

Warren has to push for the fight, whats he meant to say?
"I know I have a dwindling stable and I'm getting hammered by Matchroom and this is the best I can put on so please buy it?"

This is all he has right now...

Macklin and Murray would provide a more intriguing fight and have far more ability, the pair also performed admirably against Martinez.

You could also say Chisora performed admirably against Vitali and Fury is unbeaten. I agree its not a Premier tier contest but lets not go over the top and say its pointless and rubbish, its that pointless we have a thread on it 2 months prior to the fight.

Cheers Rodders

Come on Rod.....The guy has lost four times in the last couple of years and Fury had to get of the deck and come from behind against an old tired Cruiser...

Nobody, be it rodders or anyone else, is claiming these two are any great shakes Truss. However they are fairly evenly matched and whether we think it is right or not the winner is likely to find himself in a world heavyweight title fight pretty soon after this one, as such the fight has relevance. Would not confuse the fact that the fight is a sad reflection on the division with it having no relevance, they are not the same thing. This fight is certainly the former but is not the latter.

I'm not suggesting it isn't a decent domestic fight..Remember though that Warren was thinking of a stadium..

Funny how Rod often belittles the Klits and then tries to use the Klit loss as a way of bigging Chisora up.

Truss you're getting me mixed up with someone whose banging the Warren drum saying its a mega-match, I don't I partly agree with yourself. I'll watch it but not with a copious amount of enthusiasm, in today's standard its a decent heavyweight scrap (which I alluded to earlier is pretty shocking)

Cheers Rodders

Whats the problem here? Is it that the fight has been overhyped? That the fight is even taking place? I don't get it.

Look at the British Rankings. These two are listed as number 1 & 2.

They both have been in fights against useless competition recently and both are characters of sorts whether you choose to believe that or not.

Its good for the domestic British HW scene that they are fighting as who really wants to see them both take on another Euro nobody next.

I will defo be watching it and the build up. Its cringeworthy stuff but still funny at the same time.

So what if Chisora has lost 4 in a row or whatever, he lost against top ranked opponents. Something that Fury hasn't really had the mettle/opportunity to even take on so he may too have lost the same fights.

Let them have a go, the first fight was close and had question marks (not just Chisora's weight, but BOTH of them were out of shape. Chisora was just worse). It was a good scrap, both guys got wobbled on occasions.

The winner becomes mandatory for WBO belt, so is in a position where they have no real room to squirm away from Wlad without a massive backlash from boxin fans.

I will be bookmarking this thread to remind one or two of their comments when they come on here the next day having watched the fight to comment on it after claiming they won't even bother watching it.

Two 'Brit greats' surely truss.

Not far off Milky..

Reborn you are a Fury fan.......

If you're arguing that the fight is a bit overpriced or that Warren is going over the top in talking up how big it apparently is, then it's hard to disagree with that. But at the same time you could argue that, in relative terms, the same applies to fights such as Groves-Froch II or Hatton's return on Primetime to face Senchenko.

But that doesn't mean that the fight itself doesn't still have gravity to it and isn't the right one to be made for both men. People are talking as if it's some kind of joke fight or something and I honestly can't see any reason for some of the scathing criticism it's getting.

Almost feels like we've all been a bit spoiled by the razzle dazzle of the recent Matchroom shows and the fact that Hearn controls just about all of the British fighters who are world champions or properly established on the world title scene, to the point where suddenly some people seem to think that any fight which isn't between current / former champions is laughable and embarrassing.

Warren is hardly Mr. Popular on here. Ditto Chisora and Fury on that note, and I suspect that some of the scorn being poured on the fight comes from people not being able to see past who the three main protagonists of the story are rather than any real or valid reservations about the legitimacy of the fight itself.

The first fight was a decent scrap and while neither are Arturo Gatti, they still have shown that they're more likely to be in a decent fight than they are a complete stinker. If you discount Haye, they're clearly the two best and so far most proven Heavyweights in Britain. Winning makes one of them the WBO mandatory which, going by Wladimir's history, pretty much guarantees them a title shot.

I just don't see what other route people would have preferred to see them both go down right now. Agree that it's not worth shelling out on tickets and travel for, but people saying they wouldn't watch it even if they had nothing else on....Really?

What's relative about Groves - Froch..

A nailed on Brit great v A top prospect who has proven himself worthy

The first fight was superb and not a stinker..

It's for a World title or two..

What I'm trying to say with that one is that while Froch-Groves II is obviously far bigger and for higher stakes, you can still argue that it's being blown out of proportion in its own way. "Biggest fight in British boxing history" isn't a term which everyone agrees with, but Hearn and his Matchroom cohorts are throwing it around at every opportunity. Hey, he's a promoter and that's part of his job, but at the same time it's Warren's job to hype up whatever fighters he has in his stable or whatever fights he puts on for BoxNation. Overpriced tickets, yep. Just as Froch-Groves II has asked for an extra £2 on top of standard PPV prices despite the undercard not being as stacked as many were initially lead to believe.

As I said, I'm looking purely in relative terms.

If you take those issues away, there's nothing wrong with the Chisora-Fury rematch purely as a fight and I don't understand why any boxing fan would be there saying that they basically consider it a joke fight and would make a conscious effort to ensure that they don't watch it.

Be careful Chris, he will call you a Fury fan

He will be on here the next day talking about the result ad nauseam and anyone who brings this thread up will get a one line reply of utter tosh.

Too be honest this thread and the idea that a fight between a couple of British world ranked top 10 fighters is not a decent match is a bit ridiculous. It might not be the rumble in the jungle but its still a far better match than 99% of the other heavyweight matches that will be made this year. Only thing Warren has got wrong is his pricing structure.

Never said it wasn't a decent matchup..

Just that it isn't a big fight..FFS

Il be watching this fight and cheering on Fury as always

Once he has dispatched of this Chisora clown (again) then Fury should go to America and bust up that lanky string of peace Wilder

He probably needs to avoid a single punch in his entire career before facing Wilder.

By virtue of punching himself, he's actually had more punches landed on him than his opponents have thrown.

The only people Wilder is capable of punching is internet trolls who like to give it the big one online

Infact I heard Trussman is lined up next for an opponent

I know technically the Heavyweight division doesn't have an upper weight limit, but I still don't think they'd allow TRUSSY to box.

I should try to offer more worthy stuff to this site like you Steff..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I should try to offer more worthy stuff to this site like you Steff..

Good   

So when is Wilder v Trusscargo gonna take place then?

Steffan wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I should try to offer more worthy stuff to this site like you Steff..

Good   

So when is Wilder v Trusscargo gonna take place then?

That's enough now.....

Not in the mood for little squirties..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Steffan wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I should try to offer more worthy stuff to this site like you Steff..

Good   

So when is Wilder v Trusscargo gonna take place then?

That's enough now.....

Not in the mood for little squirties..

You created this article Truss looking for responses

Deal with it

Two British Heavyweights, both ranked in the world top 10, facing each other in a rematch is hardly a nothing fight.

Like everyone else, I'm not exactly excited by the match-up, but it is far from pointless.

Frank Warren is a boxing promoter, he is promoting his event.

Pointless in so far as it's only happening because It's a BIG fight...and whoever wins gets a shot they were going to get anyway....

Fury wins he beat a useless slob who always loses anyway..

Chisora wins he beats a guy no one rates..

noone in this instance being you as he's ranked 2 in britain.

Fury doesnt have a lot of options though

Wilder wants nothing to do with him and is ducking

Haye was more interested in being a celebrity than a boxer

Fury wont lose. Chisora is getting knocked out

Derbymanc wrote:noone in this instance being you as he's ranked 2 in britain.

High ranking or not, Fury is an embarrassing tub of lard with no talent.

Derbymanc wrote:noone in this instance being you as he's ranked 2 in britain.

I'm not interested you're right...In Big fights like this...

I've been used to better....

Both mediocre..

Yes, the 'size' of the fight, the level of demand, and the quality level of the participants have all been exaggerated. But, that's what promoters do.

I don't think Warren is deluded. He's just a promoter who's in a bit of a tight spot. He's pushing the goodwill of the boxing public by charging what he is for the tickets while pushing the bounds of hyperbole about the merits of the fight itself. I guess the success of his approach will be evident in the ticket sales and whether they remain slow/get reduced in price, etc.

For me, this is still an intriguing fight between two top ten HWs and Britain's No.1 and 2. Relative to the HW division right now, it's not a bad fight. It's annoying that it's being billed as some form of marquee event, but once you get over that, you can just take it for what it is and enjoy what should be a decent scrap - as opposed to just being negative about the quality of fights in what is an almost unprecedentedly low quality division and era.

He was originally going to hire a stadium..

So we'll disagree...He announced it with so much glee you'd thought he'd made Manny-May..

You give Warren too much credit.

They could always hire Shannon Briggs to turn up and run around in his underpants if ticket sales are especially slow.

Ha! Nice

Actually I would LOVE to see Briggs fight Fury. He's constantly calling out Wlad, so if Chisora pulls out injured I am sure Shannon the Cannon could step in at short notice. Then we should see how Tyson can take a half decent punch...   

Briggs gets the WBO mandatory position and his shot at Wlad, and we get to watch Fury fall out of the ring. Which would be rather entertaining...

You've got a point with the fact that Warren's overhyping it but as a promoter i would argue that that's his job. The ticket prices are too high for a domestic clash but then boxing tickets seem to be quite expensive anyway (I remember a few years back seeing a local show with cheapest tickets at 40 quid 8-O)

If i had boxnation i'd watch it (if the missus let me of course,) but to be fair the last few boxnation cards i've watched have been pretty dire.