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Post by Jenifer McLadyboy Mon May 19, 2014 2:52 pm

First topic message reminder :

The Ladyboys v The Soap Dodgers
At RDS Dublin, 6.15pm.

Live on RTE/BBC ALBA/ BBC WALES/TG4/Mediaset

Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU, 111th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Leighton Hodges, Ian Davies (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Maurizio Vancini (FIR)
TMO: Derek Bevan (WRU)

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Glasgay

15. Peter Murchie
14. Sean Maitland
13. Alex Dunbar
12. Peter Horne
11. Tommy Seymour
10. Finn Russell
9. Chris Cusiter

1. Gordon Reid
2. Dougie Hall
3. Jon Welsh
4. Jonny Gray
5. Al Kellock
6. Rob Harley
7. Chris Fusaro
8. Josh Strauss

16. Pat MacArthur
17. Ryan Grant
18. Moray Low
19. Tim Swinson
20. Leone Nakarawa
21. Niko Matawalu
22. Ruaridh Jackson
23. Sean Lamont

Cuige Laighean

15: Rob Kearney
14: Fergus McFadden
13: Brian O'Driscoll
12: Gordon D'Arcy
11: Zane Kirchner
10: Jimmy Gopperth
9: Eoin Reddan
1: Cian Healy
2: Sean Cronin
3: Mike Ross
4: Devin Toner
5: Mike McCarthy
6: Rhys Ruddock
7: Shane Jennings
8: Jamie Heaslip CAPTAIN

REPLACEMENTS:
16: Aaron Dundon
17: Jack McGrath
18: Martin Moore
19: Leo Cullen
20: Sean O'Brien
21: Isaac Boss
22: Ian Madigan
23: Darragh Fanning


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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed May 21, 2014 12:05 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:I see that good old Nige is refereeing the game, which is good news.  Leinster V Glasgow games have been some of the best games the league has ever seen in recent years, and especially when he has been reffing them.

Altho the % of home wins in games reff'ed by Nigel is alarmingly high - advantage Leinster unfortunately

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Post by RDW Wed May 21, 2014 12:12 pm

Much more so than any other ref?

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth Wed May 21, 2014 12:21 pm

Looking forward to this one, big style! Looks like we are bringing over a decent crowd. Don't buy the 5k or 6k stories but should be into 4 figures.

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Post by Mickado Wed May 21, 2014 12:30 pm

Glasgow tweeted that they've sold 1.5k

I assume the 7.5k go back to Leinster now, they flog them to their season ticket holders and the balance go on public sale on Friday. It will be well sold out either way. I've had 4 or 5 people asking me about tickets already this week.

I'm able to buy mine after 12 today.

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Post by TJ Wed May 21, 2014 12:34 pm

Gonna be a cracker of a match thats for sure. Looking forward to it

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Post by VinceWLB Wed May 21, 2014 12:41 pm

Strauss if fit starts for me, actually against Munster him and Nakarawa were used perfectly even if it wasn't intentional. Let Strauss batter the opposition from close quarter and then bring in Nakarawa when it opens up a bit.

Gordon Reid must start too, the guy is on fire.


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Post by George Carlin Wed May 21, 2014 12:50 pm

Mickado wrote:Glasgow tweeted that they've sold 1.5k

I assume the 7.5k go back to Leinster now, they flog them to their season ticket holders and the balance go on public sale on Friday. It will be well sold out either way. I've had 4 or 5 people asking me about tickets already this week.

I'm able to buy mine after 12 today.
I think that a lot of them will, Mick, but probably not all. You had to be on particular mailing lists for the early allocation and now the tickets are available to the public at large (or at least they should be...).
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Post by RDW Wed May 21, 2014 12:51 pm

Tell you what - even 1.5k is a great number considering it is in Dublin.

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth Wed May 21, 2014 2:13 pm

Club saying the number is up around the 2,000 mark.

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Post by R!skysports Wed May 21, 2014 4:28 pm

George Carlin wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:
Mickado wrote:The Glasgow posters from 606 will be identifiable through their persistent refusal to use any of their players ACTUAL names.

Yes, we'll be needing a translation board again.
Once more for old time's sake:

Angela - Jon Welsh, prop
Baby G - (see Ickle Jon)
Big Bad Baldy - Dougie Hall, hooker
Big Boab - (see Ginger Tackle Monster, the)
Big Mike - (see Coo, the)
Big Naka - Leone Nakarawa, lock/loosie
Bluto - Josh Strauss, loosie/no.8
Centre, the - (see Lesser Messiah, the)
Coo, the - Michael Cusack, prop
Cooseetah - (see Cus)
Cus - Chris Cusiter, scrum half
DTH - Daniel Tailliferrer Hauman van der Merwe, wing
Ecky the Brawler - Alex Dunbar, centre
Flagball - (see Big Naka)
Flippy - (see Toonie)
Fozzy - Christopher Fusaro, loosie
Furra Lineeeee - Peter Horne, centre
Ginja Ninja - (Ginger Tackle Monster, the)
Ginger Tackle Monster, the - Rob Harley, loosie
Guns - Tim Swinson, lock
Henners - Henry Pyrgos, scrum half
Hoggy - Stuart Hogg, full back/wing/centre
Ickle Jon - Jonny Gray, lock
Jazzy Geoff - Geoff Cross, prop
Jedi - James Eddie, loosie
Just Finn - Finn Russell, fly half/centre
Knackerawa - (see Big Naka)
Lesser Messiah, the - Richie Vernon, loosie/no.8
Mark of Nazareth - (see Messiah, the)
Meatball, the - Duncan Weir, fly half
Messiah, the/ angel  - Mark Bennett, centre
MyTryLeaveIt - (see Hoggy)
Niko - Nikola Matawalu, scrum half
Niko's Mate - Jerry Yanuyanutawa, prop
No Maits - Sean Maitland, wing
Peter Pan - Peter Murchie, full back
Rhubarb - Ruaridh Jackson, fly half
Ruck Inspector, the - Alastair Kellock, lock
Schlong - Sean Lamont, centre/wing
Scrum Doctor - (see Jazzy Geoff)
Selkirk Pixie, the - Lee Jones, wing
Sherlock - Tyrone Holmes, loosie
Shrek - Gordon Reid, prop
Tennessee Tam - Tommy Seymour, wing
Toonie - Gregor Peter John Townsend MBE, head coach
Wee P - Pat MacArthur, hooker
Weegie from Fiji, the - (see Niko)
Western - Carlin Isles, wing

I think that we've actually got worse.


Blimey - I am going to print that out - at least we don't have them for the posters

- well except ASBO -  kiss 

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Post by jimbopip Wed May 21, 2014 8:49 pm

Nigel Owens reffing? There's lovely.
Even the dullest game is made watchable when the commentary picks up his gentle, yet encouraging asides to the players.
"We haven't been introduced yet. I'M THE REFEREE." Is one of my faves.

As a weege I am slightly concerned ; with Kebabshop Boy out and no word on Bluto's injury we may be down to one fit 8. Yes, I know Jedi and The tackle Monster can play there, and would tackle themselves into the ground, but would they give us the go forward that we need? We could be looking at a back row of; Harley-Naka-Holmes with Jedi on the bench. There's something to ponder.

p.s. The over use of nick-names is revenge on Jen for starting this thread thus denying us one of GC's crackers. They are always a thing of beauty. Also, I am not choleric just because I'll be in sunny Essex next weekend and not in Dublin's fair city where the girls....

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Post by ME-109 Wed May 21, 2014 8:54 pm

jimbopip wrote:


p.s. The over use of nick-names is revenge on Jen for starting this thread thus denying us one of GC's crackers. They are always a thing of beauty. Also, I am not choleric just because I'll be in sunny Essex next weekend and not in Dublin's fair city where the girls are all poxed....

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Post by jimbopip Wed May 21, 2014 10:33 pm

ME-109 you'll get me in trouble: I'm more than capable of doing that by myself.
Suffering from mixed emotions this evening. I tuned into The Rugby Club on BT Sports and saw World Cup Winner Ben Kay talking to a couple of guys from Wanstead 2nds. I thought, "Seven degrees of separation: I was playing against and drinking with those guys a couple of weeks ago and there they are with a genuine international rugby player."  Very Happy 
Then I realised he was saying look how ridiculous fat boys in the lower leagues look in skin tight jerseys.  picard 

I tell you if I ever meet that Ben Kay on a rugby pitch he'd better look out.... He might do himself an injury trying not to laugh at the sight of me in a too tight jersey.

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Post by Jenifer McLadyboy Thu May 22, 2014 1:06 pm

ME-109 wrote:
jimbopip wrote:


p.s. The over use of nick-names is revenge on Jen for starting this thread thus denying us one of GC's crackers. They are always a thing of beauty. Also, I am not choleric just because I'll be in sunny Essex next weekend and not in Dublin's fair city where the girls are all poxed....
Dod's Just jealous of the massively high standard of totty in Dublin. No matter what direction you travel out of it you are in mingbag city by comparison.

Any decent looking youngwans  from outside head our way anyway to get away from Dod and his mates. Smile

On the threads thing.

I am not a fan of long titles (telling you what day it's on what time who's in it etc. We focking know all that ffs) or of long OPs. You end up with about 3 posts per page and loads of useless stats to scroll through.

Having said that. The picture thing he does is interesting. (Though I never haver a clue who any of them are) If he wants to Mod in some stuff into the OP that's fine. (or post it and I will add it)

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Post by Jenifer McLadyboy Thu May 22, 2014 1:08 pm

And may I add that the Scottish threads are always great for the high standard of banter. which is why I was offering to supply drink to the first Glasgow poster on the thread.

Still waiting for GC to nominate a one of you in his place.

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Post by George Carlin Thu May 22, 2014 1:44 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:And may I add that the Scottish threads are always great for the high standard of banter. which is why I was offering to supply drink to the first Glasgow poster on the thread.

Still waiting for GC to nominate a one of you in his place.
I am still waiting for one of my usual bunch of reprobates to Bring The Nice.
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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu May 22, 2014 2:01 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:And may I add that the Scottish threads are always great for the high standard of banter. which is why I was offering to supply drink to the first Glasgow poster on the thread.

Still waiting for GC to nominate a one of you in his place.

Jen, Will we be seeing your pretty face in Cardiff over the weekend? Ale

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Post by Jenifer McLadyboy Thu May 22, 2014 2:17 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:And may I add that the Scottish threads are always great for the high standard of banter. which is why I was offering to supply drink to the first Glasgow poster on the thread.

Still waiting for GC to nominate a one of you in his place.

Jen, Will we be seeing your pretty face in Cardiff over the weekend? Ale

Nah mate. I will be at the B&I cup final in Dublin. Didn't really fancy Toulon and Sarries. Though the crack would have probably been good.

Donnybrook is 10 mins walk from my house and tickets are about a tenner for STHs.

I hear you won't be joining us at the RDS next week either.

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu May 22, 2014 2:19 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:And may I add that the Scottish threads are always great for the high standard of banter. which is why I was offering to supply drink to the first Glasgow poster on the thread.

Still waiting for GC to nominate a one of you in his place.

Jen, Will we be seeing your pretty face in Cardiff over the weekend? Ale

Nah mate. I will be at the B&I cup final in Dublin. Didn't really fancy Toulon and Sarries. Though the crack would have probably been good.

Donnybrook is 10 mins walk from my house and tickets are about a tenner for STHs.

I hear you won't be joining us at the RDS next week either.

Sadly not, had already booked the annual shindig for the Heino, and it has to be one or t'other  Ale 

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Post by George Carlin Thu May 22, 2014 2:40 pm

Better give my honourary pint to Asbo then, Jen.

He is about a thousand now, and needs the extra iron.
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Post by Jenifer McLadyboy Thu May 22, 2014 3:13 pm

George Carlin wrote:Better give my honourary pint to Asbo then, Jen.

He is about a thousand now, and needs the extra iron.
I would if the fecker was coming over.

Beginning to think the Glasgow 606ers are all armchair fans......  Whistle 

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Post by RDW Thu May 22, 2014 3:38 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Better give my honourary pint to Asbo then, Jen.

He is about a thousand now, and needs the extra iron.
I would if the fecker was coming over.

Beginning to think the Glasgow 606ers are all armchair fans......  Whistle  on the dole

Bit more realistic Jen  OK 

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Post by George Carlin Thu May 22, 2014 3:45 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Better give my honourary pint to Asbo then, Jen.

He is about a thousand now, and needs the extra iron.
I would if the fecker was coming over.

Beginning to think the Glasgow 606ers are all armchair fans......  Whistle 
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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu May 22, 2014 3:54 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Better give my honourary pint to Asbo then, Jen.

He is about a thousand now, and needs the extra iron.
I would if the fecker was coming over.

Beginning to think the Glasgow 606ers are all armchair fans......  Whistle  on the dole

Bit more realistic Jen  OK 

Erm, lines don't feicin paint themselves, ye know  steam 

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Post by ME-109 Thu May 22, 2014 3:57 pm

George Carlin wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Better give my honourary pint to Asbo then, Jen.

He is about a thousand now, and needs the extra iron.
I would if the fecker was coming over.

Beginning to think the Glasgow 606ers are all armchair fans......  Whistle 
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RabC and Mary Doll would be seen as high class in Dublin....here is your average Dub....am sure Jens related to them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_u5vVWXSw8


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Post by Jenifer McLadyboy Thu May 22, 2014 4:07 pm

ME-109 wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Better give my honourary pint to Asbo then, Jen.

He is about a thousand now, and needs the extra iron.
I would if the fecker was coming over.

Beginning to think the Glasgow 606ers are all armchair fans......  Whistle 
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RabC and Mary Doll would be seen as high class in Dublin....here is your average Dub....am sure Jens related to them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_u5vVWXSw8


Sure we're all posh boll1xes from D4. Those lads are Northsiders. Dublin is broad enough to contain us all.

On a side note. If you watch this film and then what Richard did. (Both from the same director, Lenny Abraham's son  Smile ) You get to see those 2 strands of Dublin life.

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Post by jimbopip Sat May 24, 2014 5:44 pm

Is there any truth in the rumour (which I have just started) that in deference to the apocalyptic conflagration of Charles Rennie Mackintosh's masterpiece the teams will run out next week to Bryan Ferry warbling,
"When your Art's on fire smoke gets in your eyes" ?

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Post by George Carlin Sat May 24, 2014 6:08 pm

I made a formal email request that the team song be changed to 'Too Drunk To [Frak]' by the Dead Kennedys. No reply. Sheesh.
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Post by Mickado Mon May 26, 2014 2:47 pm

Quiet on here lately lads.

Are ye all caking yourselves or something!?

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Post by jimbopip Mon May 26, 2014 3:27 pm

Mickado, tis the phoney war period. You know, no word from either camp so we can't debate selections, the initial euphoria over being in the final has worn off and we're too far away from the day itself to get too worked up as yet.
By the way, I can't see space to insert an anorexic supermodel between the sides at the moment. I'm hoping the hungrier team will win on Saturday.

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Post by George Carlin Mon May 26, 2014 3:58 pm

After the Wilko-gasms foisted on unsuspecting viewers by he insufferable Sky commentary teams last weekend, I expect the average run up to the match will be like this:

2 hours before kick off: a 90 minute BOD-athon, showing every one of his tries, interviews with him, Mrs BOD, Geech, Schmidt, Gatland and the Pope.

30 mins before kick off: a 20 minute Leinster video montage showing their route to the final.

10 mins before kick off: a 5 minute interview with Joe Schmidt talking about how Leinster have evolved.

5 mins before kick off: a 4 minute analysis on Leinster's key players.

1 minute before kick off: a brief glance at the Glasgow team sheet, mispronouncing every player.

Kick-off.
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Post by Notch Mon May 26, 2014 4:14 pm

I'm torn because I always support my fellow Irish provinces, but Leinster have only had one trophyless season since 2008 and Glasgow have never won a trophy. In the last six years Leinster have won 3 Heineken Cups, 2 Pro12s and an Amlin Challenge Cup. Whereas this is the first time Glasgow have reached the Final of any competition. It would be brilliant for the league if Scotland actually had a successful team to look to for inspiration!

So it's kind of not that big a deal for me if Leinster don't win yet another trophy and Glasgow are a team I really admire for their spirit and their punching above their weight, not to mention their style of play.

As for BOD- BOD has won everything you can win in the game of rugby, pretty much. I'm sentimental about him retiring, but not about him retiring with another trophy. I was desperate to see him pick up another Six Nations trophy and beyond delighted he did. But it's not the same this time around. He's won the Six Nations twice and the Heineken Cup three times. He's been on four Lions tours. This is small beer in comparison.

I think I want the Weege to take it, you know.


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Post by LeinsterFan4life Mon May 26, 2014 4:28 pm

Feck it come on Glasgow! Sure we won it last year no need to be greedy.

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Post by jimbopip Mon May 26, 2014 4:37 pm

George Carlin wrote:After the Wilko-gasms foisted on unsuspecting viewers by he insufferable Sky commentary teams last weekend, I expect the average run up to the match will be like this:

2 hours before kick off: a 90 minute BOD-athon, showing every one of his tries, interviews with him, Mrs BOD, Geech, Schmidt, Gatland and the Pope.

30 mins before kick off: a 20 minute Leinster video montage showing their route to the final.

10 mins before kick off: a 5 minute interview with Joe Schmidt talking about how Leinster have evolved.

5 mins before kick off: a 4 minute analysis on Leinster's key players.

1 minute before kick off: a brief glance at the Glasgow team sheet, mispronouncing every player.

Kick-off.

Bet the commentators wont mention the sterling work yourself and Schiz do bringing unbiased, reasoned viewpoints to a grateful public. Oh, and GC you forgot the 15 minute voxpop in O'Connell Street where local ne'erdowells wax lyrical about the mystical properties of "the craic".

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Post by Mickado Mon May 26, 2014 5:10 pm

George Carlin wrote:After the Wilko-gasms foisted on unsuspecting viewers by he insufferable Sky commentary teams last weekend, I expect the average run up to the match will be like this:

2 hours before kick off: a 90 minute BOD-athon, showing every one of his tries, interviews with him, Mrs BOD, Geech, Schmidt, Gatland and the Pope.

30 mins before kick off: a 20 minute Leinster video montage showing their route to the final.

10 mins before kick off: a 5 minute interview with Joe Schmidt talking about how Leinster have evolved.

5 mins before kick off: a 4 minute analysis on Leinster's key players.

1 minute before kick off: a brief glance at the Glasgow team sheet, mispronouncing every player.

Kick-off.

 Laugh If the match is on RTE, that won't be happening. They wouldn't be the best at hyping up the league.

More likely will be a 20 minute discussion about how we're in the final despite not playing well, George Hook will bellow through his cud about how we're a team on the decline and how BOD is not retiring but jumping into a lifeboat from a sinking ship etc.

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Post by George Carlin Tue May 27, 2014 7:47 pm

Notch wrote:I'm torn because I always support my fellow Irish provinces, but Leinster have only had one trophyless season since 2008 and Glasgow have never won a trophy. In the last six years Leinster have won 3 Heineken Cups, 2 Pro12s and an Amlin Challenge Cup. Whereas this is the first time Glasgow have reached the Final of any competition. It would be brilliant for the league if Scotland actually had a successful team to look to for inspiration!

So it's kind of not that big a deal for me if Leinster don't win yet another trophy and Glasgow are a team I really admire for their spirit and their punching above their weight, not to mention their style of play.
Ah Notch. You make a good point. Just what is their 'weight', exactly?

They've made the playoffs three times in the last four seasons and yet the fact that they do always seems to come as a surprise to a lot of people. The team that beat Munster consisted of (a) all Scottish internationalists, (b) 3 British & Irish Lions (would have been 4 if Hogg was selected), (b) two of the best internationalists Fiji has produced in the past 5 years and (d) someone that the SA Mail & Guardian described as the finest player of his generation not to receive a Springbok cap (Josh Strauss). Add to that the fact that the squad has essentially been the same for the past 2 and half years and I am fascinated by the disjoint between general expectation and reality.

The other thing that never ceases to amaze me is commentators who literally have no clue, none, about the Glasgow team. You would think that with the top 6-8 teams in the league, there would be a general knowledge about key players, team strategy and a general sense as to what the side is about. I have watched all manner of commentators behind the mike at Glasgow's televised games and they know so little it staggers me.

Perhaps I'm just making too much of this. Cool
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Post by Notch Tue May 27, 2014 8:11 pm

I think their weight is lighter than it should be- I lived in Scotland for nine years, was a regular at Murrayfield for much of that time and always marvelled at how the overriding emotions of the Scottish rugby fans tended towards constant soul crushing negativity! And then the team seemed ruled by fear and panic.

Glasgow don't play with that heavy mental burden. You expect Scottish teams to fail because of their mindset not any lack of talent- talent is there in abundance and always has been. It's the negative mentality that makes people think 'Scottish Rugby Player' and 'Champion' are oxymorons. But Glasgow play like a team that believes they are and can be winners! I like and admire that. When you hear them talk about the standards they've set and their ambitions and goals they don't sound like Scottish rugby players at all. This is not the language and mindset I grew to associate with Scottish rugby- they sound like winners and competitors. Thats something new for me as a long term sympathiser towards Scottish rugby.

It's something better and if the team does go on to clinch a title or two, the prospect of it becoming a new normal in Scotland rugby circles will be cause for some considerable rejoicing! I hope they do, and I hope it does.

Of course they are going up against a team that are winners to the core. They're not even that good a team anymore, Leinster, they just are so mentally strong and used to winning. Used to expecting to win and used to going out and turning that into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Finding a way to win even when they play badly. So it'll be tough.
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Tue May 27, 2014 8:20 pm

Jenifer,

As a down trodden English serf, I don't know what a ladyboy is, what is "soap"? Which side is which?

I had heard that there was a shortage of washing implements in the Celtic regions but was unaware that ladies messed around with boys there, I thought that was left to Paul Gadd and his like.
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Post by Gibson Tue May 27, 2014 8:33 pm

George Carlin wrote:
Notch wrote:I'm torn because I always support my fellow Irish provinces, but Leinster have only had one trophyless season since 2008 and Glasgow have never won a trophy. In the last six years Leinster have won 3 Heineken Cups, 2 Pro12s and an Amlin Challenge Cup. Whereas this is the first time Glasgow have reached the Final of any competition. It would be brilliant for the league if Scotland actually had a successful team to look to for inspiration!

So it's kind of not that big a deal for me if Leinster don't win yet another trophy and Glasgow are a team I really admire for their spirit and their punching above their weight, not to mention their style of play.
Ah Notch. You make a good point. Just what is their 'weight', exactly?

They've made the playoffs three times in the last four seasons and yet the fact that they do always seems to come as a surprise to a lot of people. The team that beat Munster consisted of (a) all Scottish internationalists, (b) 3 British & Irish Lions (would have been 4 if Hogg was selected), (b) two of the best internationalists Fiji has produced in the past 5 years and (d) someone that the SA Mail & Guardian described as the finest player of his generation not to receive a Springbok cap (Josh Strauss). Add to that the fact that the squad has essentially been the same for the past 2 and half years and I am fascinated by the disjoint between general expectation and reality.

The other thing that never ceases to amaze me is commentators who literally have no clue, none, about the Glasgow team. You would think that with the top 6-8 teams in the league, there would be a general knowledge about key players, team strategy and a general sense as to what the side is about. I have watched all manner of commentators behind the mike at Glasgow's televised games and they know so little it staggers me.

Perhaps I'm just making too much of this. Cool

Agree with most all of that Georgie. Really pisses me off when I constantly hear commentric ignorance on this squad from gobshites who should know better. The best side in the PRO12 this year and close to it over the last 3 years.  On form and against all the big clubs, they have performed at a consistently high level and are great to watch.  

I understand what Notch is saying though. They are a small club, with relatively  limited finances and a small local fan-base, who refuse to give them the live support they so deserve. No offence meant, but it is almost Welsh-like in its indifference and apathy.  I just look at the facts. It should be a 10,000 sell-out every week.

I would also agree with the Notch sentiment  on them winning it at last. I'd smile inside if Weegies won a trophy. Phookit,  we have won enough. Spread the rugby love. And, they will have earned it by total merit alone. Luck has never come their way in the SF's. Had us  on the ropes twice at the RDS. Lost twice at the RDS. A 1st Final may change that.

But, I have a feeling we are going to break their little Scottish hearts again. Its what we do.  Even if we are shoite to watch now, we are incredibly difficult to beat.

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Post by George Carlin Tue May 27, 2014 8:39 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Jenifer,

As a down trodden English serf, I don't know what a ladyboy is, what is "soap"? Which side is which?

I had heard that there was a shortage of washing implements in the Celtic regions but was unaware that ladies messed around with boys there, I thought that was left to Paul Gadd and his like.

It might have been me who added the additional detail to the beginning of Jen's post.  Whistle 

As Jen will confirm, Leinster are frequently tagged as the Ladyboys given their outstanding natural beauty (will you look at the head on Cullen, gorgeous). Glasgow are referred to as the soap dodgers as part of the amusing ongoing view that the average Glaswegian wouldn't waste money on bathing products because chips and heroin cost a lot more than they used to.
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Post by George Carlin Tue May 27, 2014 8:41 pm

Gibson wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
Notch wrote:I'm torn because I always support my fellow Irish provinces, but Leinster have only had one trophyless season since 2008 and Glasgow have never won a trophy. In the last six years Leinster have won 3 Heineken Cups, 2 Pro12s and an Amlin Challenge Cup. Whereas this is the first time Glasgow have reached the Final of any competition. It would be brilliant for the league if Scotland actually had a successful team to look to for inspiration!

So it's kind of not that big a deal for me if Leinster don't win yet another trophy and Glasgow are a team I really admire for their spirit and their punching above their weight, not to mention their style of play.
Ah Notch. You make a good point. Just what is their 'weight', exactly?

They've made the playoffs three times in the last four seasons and yet the fact that they do always seems to come as a surprise to a lot of people. The team that beat Munster consisted of (a) all Scottish internationalists, (b) 3 British & Irish Lions (would have been 4 if Hogg was selected), (b) two of the best internationalists Fiji has produced in the past 5 years and (d) someone that the SA Mail & Guardian described as the finest player of his generation not to receive a Springbok cap (Josh Strauss). Add to that the fact that the squad has essentially been the same for the past 2 and half years and I am fascinated by the disjoint between general expectation and reality.

The other thing that never ceases to amaze me is commentators who literally have no clue, none, about the Glasgow team. You would think that with the top 6-8 teams in the league, there would be a general knowledge about key players, team strategy and a general sense as to what the side is about. I have watched all manner of commentators behind the mike at Glasgow's televised games and they know so little it staggers me.

Perhaps I'm just making too much of this. Cool

Agree with most all of that Georgie. Really pisses me off when I constantly hear commentric ignorance on this squad from gobshites who should know better. The best side in the PRO12 this year and close to it over the last 3 years.  On form and against all the big clubs, they have performed at a consistently high level and are great to watch.  

I understand what Notch is saying though. They are a small club, with relatively  limited finances and a small local fan-base, who refuse to give them the live support they so deserve. No offence meant, but it is almost Welsh-like in its indifference and apathy.  I just look at the facts. It should be a 10,000 sell-out every week.

I would also agree with the Notch sentiment  on them winning it at last. I'd smile inside if Weegies won a trophy. Phookit,  we have won enough. Spread the rugby love. And, they will have earned it by total merit alone. Luck has never come their way in the SF's. Had us  on the ropes twice at the RDS. Lost twice at the RDS. A 1st Final may change that.

But, I have a feeling we are going to break their little Scottish hearts again. Its what we do.  Even if we are shoite to watch now, we are incredibly difficult to beat.

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Completely in 2 minds about this one, Gibster. Completely. Heart says us, head says there's reason why you've only beaten a side in their backyard once in 19 attempts. But finally, finally, I think that we might have got ourselves in a place where we don't give a collective sh!te and that, that, is the mindset that you need to start changing hearts and minds.

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Post by BigGee Tue May 27, 2014 8:49 pm

Notch wrote:I think their weight is lighter than it should be- I lived in Scotland for nine years, was a regular at Murrayfield for much of that time and always marvelled at how the overriding emotions of the Scottish rugby fans tended towards constant soul crushing negativity! And then the team seemed ruled by fear and panic.

Glasgow don't play with that heavy mental burden. You expect Scottish teams to fail because of their mindset not any lack of talent- talent is there in abundance and always has been. It's the negative mentality that makes people think 'Scottish Rugby Player' and 'Champion' are oxymorons. But Glasgow play like a team that believes they are and can be winners! I like and admire that. When you hear them talk about the standards they've set and their ambitions and goals they don't sound like Scottish rugby players at all. This is not the language and mindset I grew to associate with Scottish rugby- they sound like winners and competitors. Thats something new for me as a long term sympathiser towards Scottish rugby.

It's something better and if the team does go on to clinch a title or two, the prospect of it becoming a new normal in Scotland rugby circles will be cause for some considerable rejoicing! I hope they do, and I hope it does.

Of course they are going up against a team that are winners to the core. They're not even that good a team anymore, Leinster, they just are so mentally strong and used to winning. Used to expecting to win and used to going out and turning that into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Finding a way to win even when they play badly. So it'll be tough.

That is actually a great summing up of where Scottish rugby has been for years and where Glasgow are now!

You can't blame the commentators really, who all seemed to be of the opinion that it was a question of when, not if Glasgow tripped up, at the end of the day that's what Scottish teams do, even what Glasgow did last year in the semi, a game we could and should have won! Truth is even most Scottish fans probably deep down feel the same way, we have been there so many times before.

Yet there does seem to be something different about this Glasgow side. Earlier this season they showed they have learnt the art of winning without playing very well, something all good teams can do. Since then they have shown they can beat teams with a reputation, home and away, they have also shown they can deal with the pressure. They just need to win this final and show the rest of the country and the world how good they are. Then people will start to take us seriously!

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Post by Gibson Tue May 27, 2014 8:49 pm

I dont think ye have ever been afraid George. Just lacked the nous to finish big games out. Like Ulster.
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Post by GLove39 Tue May 27, 2014 8:57 pm

What really sums up Scottish rugby is that a win on Saturday would be the biggest and best thing to happen to us in 15 years! So no pressure there!

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Tue May 27, 2014 11:13 pm

I like Glasgow but no way in hell would I be okay with them winning.We've lost too many Rabo finals as it is and losing at home is not acceptable.


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Post by Feckless Rogue Wed May 28, 2014 1:08 am

I don't have any doubts about the mentality of Glasgow. But Leinster are still one of Europe's best sides and still the best in the league. And playing at home.
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Post by SecretFly Wed May 28, 2014 10:04 am

If Glasgow attack from the off (like they're gonna!) and Leinster choose to soak some of that up and only say hello to the game of attack around about 35 minutes in - then Leinster will lose.

Leinster don't have the guile or gameplay smarts to pace games as though it was their birthright anymore.... and certainly not against the runaway train that has often proved itself to be Glasgow this season.

HEC mentality and performance levels are required for this one - don't let Glasgow boss the pace or boss the territory.  

Leinster need to impose an intensity of effort on Glasgow that they really haven't mustered all season. Is that performance genuinely there at the flick of a switch if needed anyway?  Not so sure at all.  Too many distractions (International 'Schmidt' fixations), too much pragmatic Aussieness in Yawn'n'BellyScratch O' Connor and far far too many recycling retirement parties!

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed May 28, 2014 11:07 am

Irish Times state that Hoggy will defo not feature on Saturday night - Ulster favourites to pick him up as he leaves Glasgow one year early in the summer, but rumours of Sarries (do they just get associated with everyone these days) and unnamed French club interest

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Post by Notch Wed May 28, 2014 11:11 am

No doubt those other clubs can outbid Ulster.
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Post by RDW Wed May 28, 2014 11:39 am

Again we can't really comment until we hear some official news, but if he left Glasgow now his popularity with the Scotland fans would surely plummet - I can't see it going down well at all.

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