England XV vs New Zealand First Test

First topic message reminder :

1. Joe Marler (Harlequins)
2. *Rob Webber(Bath)        Dave Ward (Harlequins)
3. Dave Wilson (Bath)
4. Joe Launchberry (Wasps)
5. Dave Attwood (Bath)
6. Tom Johnson (Exeter)
7. Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
8. Ben Morgan (Gloucester)

9. Danny Care (Harlequins)
10. Danny Cipriani (Sale)
11. Jonny May (Gloucester)
12. *Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester) Kyle Eastmond (Bath)
13. Manu Tuilagi (Leicester)
14. Marland Yard (Harlequins)
15. Mike Brown (Harlequins)

16. Dave Ward (Harlequins)        Joe Gray (Harlequins)
17. Matt Mullan (Wasps)
18. Henry Thomas (Bath)
19. Ed Slater (Leicester)
20. James Haskell (Wasps)
21. Ben Youngs (Leicester)
22. Freddie Burns (Leicester)
23. Kyle Eastmond (Bath)        Henry Trinder (Gloucester)

*Injury concern...

Thoughts?

Cumbrian wrote:Man in front from the knock on!

was just thinking the same, Owens is having a bad day. ish

how is that not a yellow!!!!!

Great play by May. Much better second half

Got to go to the bin surely! They killed the ball on their own line.

Got to be a yellow!

Come on Freddie.

Yeah !!!

Should have been carded there

he "just got his timing wrong", wonder if owens has just been thinking of that one whilst the kick was taking place.

This ref is doing my nut in.

I'm still fuming, how can he justify not giving a card? It was text book! They killed the ball on their own line, plain and simple. He's bottled it twice.

Atwood?

Owens said on halfway line the only thing that saved Fekitoa was he thought England player wasn't on the ground. Very dubious call though as it was cynical.

Killed the ball cynically a metre from the line and still no yellow card. Owens bottles it again. He's been dire today. Bottled to yellow card decisions, phantom knock ons and the refusal to make a decision at the scrum.

If youd told me before the game England would still be level after 67 minutes I'd have bitten your hand off : now I'm disappointed...

He should have just played the lineout and let play go on.
Such nitpicking... I certainly didn't think it was worth a penalty.

NZ look rudderless without Read, McCaw appears to be wearing his invisibility cloak all the time, not just at breakdowns.

Reminds me of the Ireland v New Zealand game from a few years ago - but no Dan Carter for a last minute drop-goal this time

now it's a card...

you Frak useless ref

What a joke.. Seriously . The injustice

Frak OFF Owens! One rule for them and another for us!

Being an impartial Welshman, think my support has to go for the under dog....


So C'mon All Blacks  

A fair yellow but what about the other two!

Fuming...

Beyond gutted. I am getting angry. Not the best start of the day.

Correct call, but Owens should have done the same with NZ. He's been awful Owens, really awful.

Oh no, now the yellow card comes. The call is correct but it should be 14 against 14. I do feel for England. They don't deserve to be 3 points down. Nigel Owens has not had a good game. Where's GE to write a Eden Park factor thread because it's difficult to think Owens hasn't been influenced by the home crowd.

Typical... Different rules apply to NZ.

Shocking inconsistencies from the referee, absolutely shocking

Not one of Owens best games but my god how dumb was Yarde?

Owens inconsistent and playing to the crowd. Shocking from him today.

Once again England get to the 22 through the backs and then the forwards fail to provide any ball. Wilson has been diabolical in the loose does he have hands or hooves? Thankfully he can scrummage.

Hmm. Bit inconsistent with the cards.   

And that is how top referees lose their mojo

You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

Good stuff from Cips

No9 wrote:You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

lol, are you serious?

England have given some really cheap points to the ABs. Along with all the poor handling and reckless couple of decisions they'll only have themselves to blame for losing this match.

Talk about a pressure kick

timhen wrote:England have given some really cheap points to the ABs.  Along with all the poor handling and reckless couple of decisions they'll only have themselves to blame for losing this match.

very correct, but that still doesnt make Owens Poopie decisions ok

No arms from Smith on Cipriani there?

Being pedantic I accept but diving at a players feet is going to send them flying and it's not like you can control their landing!

Come on Danny

Bloody hell they don't like Cips in NZ

Nice way to relaunch his international career Cipriani   

Abbas have been diabolical today, they are in the middle of the SR season, can't be rust, surely?

Welcome back Cips

alfie wrote:Hmm. Bit inconsistent with the cards.   

Just not fair is it , mate? It spoils a potentially interesting evening. Always seems to happen!   
How many successive matches have the ABs won at EP? Is it 29 or something?

All tied up at 15-all now. (Cipriani must have visualised a full cocktail glass floating above the black dot there!)

Owens gets all the plaudits when he does his usual good riffing, but he has had a shocker today, clear yellow when AB killed the bal on the line, knockons by May and Burns that went backwards and then the yellow for Yarde when AB didn't get yellow 10 mins ago.....awful display of reffing

Isolated carrier ffs

Seriously I can't believe this nonsense. I wish I woke up late

nathan wrote:

No9 wrote:You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

lol, are you serious?

At least you never have to put up with that idiot Wayne Barnes.... Is he related to Stuart, because neither understand the game.

Short...

Poor from England with the initial penalty against Marler. Needed to regroup and get support to the ball carrier or kick long and allow the defensive line to regroup.