England XV vs New Zealand First Test

by robshaw4england Thu 22 May 2014, 8:09 pm

First topic message reminder :

1. Joe Marler (Harlequins)
2. *Rob Webber(Bath) Dave Ward (Harlequins)
3. Dave Wilson (Bath)
4. Joe Launchberry (Wasps)
5. Dave Attwood (Bath)
6. Tom Johnson (Exeter)
7. Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
8. Ben Morgan (Gloucester)

9. Danny Care (Harlequins)
10. Danny Cipriani (Sale)
11. Jonny May (Gloucester)
12. *Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester) Kyle Eastmond (Bath)
13. Manu Tuilagi (Leicester)
14. Marland Yard (Harlequins)
15. Mike Brown (Harlequins)

16. Dave Ward (Harlequins) Joe Gray (Harlequins)
17. Matt Mullan (Wasps)
18. Henry Thomas (Bath)
19. Ed Slater (Leicester)
20. James Haskell (Wasps)
21. Ben Youngs (Leicester)
22. Freddie Burns (Leicester)
23. Kyle Eastmond (Bath) Henry Trinder (Gloucester)

*Injury concern...

Thoughts?

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:17 am

No9 wrote:
nathan wrote:
No9 wrote:You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

lol, are you serious?

At least you never have to put up with that idiot Wayne Barnes.... Is he related to Stuart, because neither understand the game.

you didn't answer my question?

by wales606 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:17 am

Bold and stupid call, even if they score that was very dum, you would not have seen Carter doing that!

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:17 am

Oh wow he made a correct call..

by formerly known as Sam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:18 am

England's forwards haven't been up to the ball carrying challenge. Oh for Ed Slater and Billy Vunipola.

by BamBam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:18 am

This much stress can't be good for my heart at 10am on a Saturday

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:19 am

by BamBam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:19 am

Oh Frak off

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:19 am

Gutted

by alfie Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:20 am

Rats. Two minutes away from a very honorable draw.

by wales606 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:20 am

Jammy jammy jammy, like watching the Ireland game from the Autumn, NZ leaving it very late again.

by No9 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:21 am

All Blacks wake up...

All banter aside. England played really well and should be proud of that. Upset yes, but proud...

Just like against the Irish last year, even down to last few mins, you just believe the Blacks will find something to win.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:21 am

Marler and May don't number up. If they look up and see the three on two then they call an extra defender out and Smith is tackled into touch. Should never have been playing from that deep.

by brennomac Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:21 am

Oh and then there was the no yellow for Nonu in the first two minutes for the tug oh Haskell's shirt. A litany of screw ups by Nige

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:21 am

I can't be bothered with taking any positives out of this game...

What I do know though is that we have a serious squad for next years World Cup .. Which ok is a positive. But I am fuming . Owens you haven't the balls to ref this sort of game

by BamBam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:22 am

Well played NZ, hell of a game

by king_carlos Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:22 am

Hate to be a sore loser but does not feel a fair result for how the two sides performed on the day.

by No9 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:22 am

nathan wrote:
No9 wrote:
nathan wrote:
No9 wrote:You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

lol, are you serious?

At least you never have to put up with that idiot Wayne Barnes.... Is he related to Stuart, because neither understand the game.

you didn't answer my question?

Not joking about Owens being the best....but today was far from his best performance.

by **Biltong** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:22 am

Ah well, commiserations to England, even though you lost, be proud of your boys.

Unfortunately it is what it is.

by sickofwendy Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:22 am

England can still be proud of themselves
Just didn't have the quality bench cover in the forwards
Looking forward to the return of our boys next week

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:23 am

Well done NZ on the win.

by king_carlos Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:23 am

Congrats to NZ at the same time though. A sign of a good side to win games when under pressure.

by TJ Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:23 am

No9 wrote:You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

Absolutely. Open your other eye,

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:24 am

No9 wrote:
nathan wrote:
No9 wrote:
nathan wrote:
No9 wrote:You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

lol, are you serious?

At least you never have to put up with that idiot Wayne Barnes.... Is he related to Stuart, because neither understand the game.

you didn't answer my question?

Not joking about Owens being the best....but today was far from his best performance.

i can agree with that

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:24 am

I will congratulate NZ tomorrow. Not today...

by rainbow-warrior Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:24 am

Well done AB's. Now sit back and read the BS from the poor defeated english and how Owens has become the worlds worse overnight hahahahaha

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:24 am

TJ wrote:
No9 wrote:You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

Absolutely. Open your other eye,

less of the wums please.

by Nachos Jones Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:25 am

And that was England missing some big game players in Care and Farrell pushing the AB's all the way in their own backyard. Even as an Irishman I am a little gutted for England today, they really deserved that.

England under Lancaster have come along in leaps and bounds and are a real joy to watch. Well played the AB's but that was a home result if ever I have seen one.

by alfie Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:25 am

Ah well. Take the positives...

NZ might be more relieved than happy after that ; and surely England will take a lot of confidence from that effort in their impregnable fortress ?

Still dissatisfied : they didn't deserve to lose that.

by timhen Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:25 am

I'm furious! Not with Owens, though he hasn't helped. Not even with the poor handling and sloppy mistakes, but the sheer stupidity at crucial moments. We deserved to lose this game because of that, which is infuriating because the match was there for the taking.

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:25 am

Owens helped NZ comeback against Ireland and when he denied us a draw down in NZ and he has helped NZ here again.

by **Pal Joey** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:25 am

England were very unlucky. Thought they played with the right intensity; some poor handling and a few dubious referee decisions let them down.
Both teams were pretty rusty but a good intro for the series.

by TJ Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:25 am

king_carlos wrote:Hate to be a sore loser but does not feel a fair result for how the two sides performed on the day.

Of course it was. NZ were clearly the better side

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:25 am

rainbow-warrior wrote: Well done AB's. Now sit back and read the BS from the poor defeated english and how Owens has become the worlds worse overnight hahahahaha

He's still a brilliant ref, today he was just Poopie.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:26 am

TJ wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Hate to be a sore loser but does not feel a fair result for how the two sides performed on the day.

Of course it was. NZ were clearly the better side

watching a different game then

by **Biltong** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:26 am

rainbow-warrior wrote: Well done AB's. Now sit back and read the BS from the poor defeated english and how Owens has become the worlds worse overnight hahahahaha

Is it ever possible for you to be objective and not behave like a spoilt child?

by formerly known as Sam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:27 am

England need to improve that pack. The reserves weren't up to scratch with Johnson anonymous and Gray's sole contribution being that final penalty. Desperately need to upgrade the carrying capabilities of those forwards particularly the tight five who weren't up to scratch in the the loose.

Best backs performance we've seen for England for years! Please keep that midfield on situ and just bring back the on form Care. Farrell and Twelvetrees haven't offered anything like Burns and Eastmond did today. Manu seems to thrive on the gain line play of Eastmond and Burns as well.

by Welly Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:29 am

Owens wasn't as good as he usually is, inconsistent.

Thought the Eastmond Tualigi combo has huge potential.

With the players coming in.

Reckon Lawes & Dickson/Care are the only ones I would change.

by rainbow-warrior Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:29 am

Good to see that England have now decided that a 'glorious'defeat is OK after slating Wales so long. It's Wales who do not take glorious defeats anymore, they are worthless. Still hat's off deep down I was impressed by the display England put on.

by TJ Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:29 am

nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:
No9 wrote:You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

Absolutely. Open your other eye,

less of the wums please.

Its not a Wum - I opened this thread to read some analysis. Most of the posts I saw were desperately one eyed comments slagging of the ref. I didn't see the pull back as I missed the first few mins. Owens is the best ref in the world and as ever didn't miss much, didn't " bottle it" as people were complaining. When you are second best and then blame the ref for getting beaten then its a very poor show

by aucklandlaurie Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:30 am

Yes England performed very well, but when a game is for all intents a draw, the team with a centre that can read the try scoring opportunity over on the blind side wing, somehow often creates a win out of nothing.

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:30 am

I can understand the frustrations. A rookie England squad and they held their heads up high and put the pressure on NZ and made them look ordinary.

NZ will treat this as a loss. They'll feel they were outplayed by England and for me it'll be interesting to see how England react and the selections they'll make. You'd have to think the additions England are going to make will make them stronger and they'll be mentally strong knowing that they were very unlucky to come away with a loss with an inexperienced side. NZ, on the other hand, will know they were ordinary tonight and players like Messam will see the impact Vito made coming on and ask themselves where was that intensity from themselves at the start of the game.

So hold your heads up high England fans. Owens got it wrong on a number of calls tonight and NZ know they're going to have lift a lot more in the series if they intend to keep that home record intact. kia kaha

by Welly Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:31 am

rainbow-warrior wrote:Good to see that England have now decided that a 'glorious'defeat is OK after slating Wales so long. It's Wales who do not take glorious defeats anymore, they are worthless. Still hat's off deep down I was impressed by the display England put on.

There is a differenc when you have beaten a SH team in te last 5 or so years .

As ppose to the welsh when was the ls time yo have beaten SA/AUS/NZ home or away.

by rainbow-warrior Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:32 am

Biltong wrote:
rainbow-warrior wrote: Well done AB's. Now sit back and read the BS from the poor defeated english and how Owens has become the worlds worse overnight hahahahaha
Is it ever possible for you to be objective and not behave like a spoilt child?

HEY enough of your personal insults, you want to insult me do it on IM from now on you understand?

by Nachos Jones Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:32 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:Yes England performed very well, but when a game is for all intents a draw, the team with a centre that can read the try scoring opportunity over on the blind side wing, somehow often creates a win out of nothing.

Yes, Smith ran from far on the openside to call for that ball and the try, it was a quality individual movement from him clap

by rainbow-warrior Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:33 am

Welly wrote:
rainbow-warrior wrote:Good to see that England have now decided that a 'glorious'defeat is OK after slating Wales so long. It's Wales who do not take glorious defeats anymore, they are worthless. Still hat's off deep down I was impressed by the display England put on.

There is a differenc when you have beaten a SH team in te last 5 or so years .

As ppose to the welsh when was the ls time yo have beaten SA/AUS/NZ home or away.

A loss is a loss is a loss. Still a glorious defeats mind Smile

by **Biltong** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:33 am

rainbow-warrior wrote:Good to see that England have now decided that a 'glorious'defeat is OK after slating Wales so long. It's Wales who do not take glorious defeats anymore, they are worthless. Still hat's off deep down I was impressed by the display England put on.

I suggest you desist with bagging the English immediately, unless you feel an extended break is in order.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:33 am

TJ wrote:
nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:
No9 wrote:You have the worlds best ref, yet you still complain.

Stop the whinging guys...

Absolutely. Open your other eye,

less of the wums please.

Its not a Wum - I opened this thread to read some analysis. Most of the posts I saw were desperately one eyed comments slagging of the ref. I didn't see the pull back as I missed the first few mins. Owens is the best ref in the world and as ever didn't miss much, didn't " bottle it" as people were complaining. When you are second best and then blame the ref for getting beaten then its a very poor show

But those comments are coming from folk from all nations, not just English. It's pretty simply, NZ should of had two yellows in that game. Two knock-ons shouldn't of been called against england either.

On the whole though England (with not 1st choice players) played well.

by The Bachelor Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:33 am

Poor reffing by Owens today, which is a shame as I normally like how he refs the big games. How many players do England have coming back into the squad for the 2nd test?

by **Biltong** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:34 am

rainbow-warrior wrote:
Biltong wrote:
rainbow-warrior wrote: Well done AB's. Now sit back and read the BS from the poor defeated english and how Owens has become the worlds worse overnight hahahahaha
Is it ever possible for you to be objective and not behave like a spoilt child?

HEY enough of your personal insults, you want to insult me do it on IM from now on you understand?

You can have a week off, cheers.

by king_carlos Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:34 am

nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Hate to be a sore loser but does not feel a fair result for how the two sides performed on the day.

Of course it was. NZ were clearly the better side

watching a different game then

As said in my other post just after the quoted one - congrats to NZ on getting the win under pressure in the first game of the International season. The sign of a good side winning when not at their best.

However I can't agree NZ were clearly the better side and feel the non sin binning of Fekitoa followed by the binning of Yarde for a very similar offence was the defining moment in the last 10-15 minutes.

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