England v New Zealand - Test 2 (14 Jun 2014)

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NEW ZEALAND v ENGLAND
Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Saturday 14th June, KO 19:35 local, 08:35 BST

TEAMS
New Zealand
1: Woodcock, 2: Coles, 3: O Franks, 4: Retallick, 5: Whitelock, 6: Messam, 7: McCaw (c), 8: Kaino, 9: A Smith, 10: Cruden, 11: Savea, 12: Nonu, 13: C Smith, 14: Jane, 15: B Smith
Bench: 16: Mealamu, 17: Crockett, 18: Faumuina, 19: Tuipulotu, 20: Vito, 21: Perenara, 22: Barrett, 23: Fekitoa
England
1: Marler, 2: Webber, 3: Wilson, 4: Launchbury, 5: Parling, 6: Wood, 7: Robshaw (c), 8: Morgan, 9: Care, 10: Farrell, 11: Yarde, 12: Twelvetrees, 13: Burrell, 14: Tuilagi (what was he thinking?), 15: Brown
Bench: 16: Hartley, 17: Mullan, 18: Brookes, 19: Lawes, 20: Vunipola, 21: Youngs, 22: Burns, 23: Ashton

OFFICIALS
Referee: Jaco Peyper (SARU)
ARs: Nigel Owens (WRU) & Jérôme Garcès (FFR)
TMO: George Ayoub (ARU)

Oh dear.  This is going from bad to worse.

Dread to think what they will do next week, England even more tired and NZ hitting their form.

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:To be honest I feel this is just down to conditioning. England look knackered

We're at the end of a season could be a reason.


Feel a bit sorry for Farrell there, looked like a maul to me

No9 wrote:FFS stop knocking Owens for England's failure to win...

England have done well, better than I expected. But all this Owens knocking is just underlining the "whinging poms" tag...

what you been smoking?

geez you guys give up easily. 20 to go only 8 down. this is not over yet. it might be soon but not yet.

england unlikely to claw it back with a card but i still think they have a score in them...and also think that manu will be back in midfield next week

get 36 off, he's Poopie

Streaker on field, knobhead!

Taylorman wrote:geez you guys give up easily. 20 to go only 8 down. this is not over yet. it might be soon but not yet.

totally, if that is the mental fragility of the average england fan then i pity the team

Harsh yellow that it had two players from each side in there. Looked a maul. Farrell gone our midfield in tatters and the forwards look exhausted.

Lancaster has got his backs selection badly wrong here. Twelvetrees ofoff for Burns, Farrell for 12 then Manu to 13 and Burrell gone for Ashton. Get the Burrell sub done now.

get 36 off, put Manu at 13, you know, where we played well.

horrendous by 36. just awful kick

Farrell is lucky only yellow...

Should have seen RED for the forearm smash to the face earlier. He seems to be doing this a lot. Not sure if it's his temper or just bad technique.

He should have been left on the training paddock. Burns showed last week he was the better option.

Taylorman wrote:geez you guys give up easily. 20 to go only 8 down. this is not over yet. it might be soon but not yet.

could swing again but i doubt it with the yellow. Our kicking has been woeful. I'm not sure how much better Burns would of done.

Not sure since the first 10 mins have England looked like scoring a try. Very competitive all over the park but not a hint of a try since.

No excuses please aboit end of season.

We came here thinking we are a genuine challenger. If we had a genuine midfield things would have been different.

Tweak it for next week...and well be there again.

Was Haskell injured for this? Would quite like to see some extra power on the flank.

1st game for 36 6wks don't expect to much, like being selected in the 1st place.........

Oh dear.

Well. Can't see how this series is anything but 3 nil now.

Ben Smith, take a bow fella!!

ME-109 wrote:Not sure since the first 10 mins have England looked like scoring a try. Very competitive all over the park but  not a hint of a try since.

More we've played the worse we've got. i think there are a couple of decisions i think Lancaster has got wrong today. Manu on the wing and 36 in the team. For me i haven't seen anything from 36 where i think he's test standard.

ABs are just so much fitter and better drilled. Not much any decent side can do to counteract this type of performance.

Missed most of the first half but we've been very poor this second. I don;t think the ABs have had to do anything of note.

Burrell off now! Steps in so Conrad waltzes past him then doesn't even get a shoulder on Nonu as he goes past.

Stewie butchered us from the start with Tuilagi in the wing.....wasted opportunity.

36 should not have started.

jeez this ref doesnt even block a swinging arm if its an AB

GeordieFalcon wrote:No excuses please aboit end of season.

We came here thinking we are a genuine challenger. If we had a genuine midfield things would have been different.

Tweak it for next week...and well be there again.

It's not an excuse for losing, we're losing because we haven't got the execution right and our kicking has been woeful. The fact is still we're at the end of the season so some of the players will be tired, but they are professionals so they should still be better than this.

nathan wrote:

No9 wrote:FFS stop knocking Owens for England's failure to win...

England have done well, better than I expected. But all this Owens knocking is just underlining the "whinging poms" tag...

what you been smoking?

You tell me... I'm watching this as a neutral, your the one slating Owens again...


Perhaps you can ask for 4 English officials for the next test....   

Some really poor attempts at tackling from Burrell

NZ need to be a bit careful in this maul or they are going to get a pen try...

No9 wrote:

nathan wrote:

No9 wrote:FFS stop knocking Owens for England's failure to win...

England have done well, better than I expected. But all this Owens knocking is just underlining the "whinging poms" tag...

what you been smoking?

You tell me... I'm watching this as a neutral, your the one slating Owens again...


Perhaps you can ask for 4 English officials for the next test....   

a couple of comments about Owens and you think i'm slating him. O my you are precious about him arnt you.

Yeah this is awful from England.

Get Youngs on.

this frakking ref is letting kaino pull the maul from englands side every single time. is he blind?

Only surprise for me here is that we're getting pasted up front. Never thought we'd have so little of the ball. AB pack really fronted up this week. Doesn't help that we keep aimless kicking back to them.

For all the talk of Manu on the wing, the bigger issue with it has been how useless Burrell has been.

nathan wrote:

No9 wrote:

nathan wrote:

No9 wrote:FFS stop knocking Owens for England's failure to win...

England have done well, better than I expected. But all this Owens knocking is just underlining the "whinging poms" tag...

what you been smoking?

You tell me... I'm watching this as a neutral, your the one slating Owens again...


Perhaps you can ask for 4 English officials for the next test....   

a couple of comments about Owens and you think i'm slating him. O my you are precious about him arnt you.

are you actually a real person or just an aggro bot?  

Please god let that be a try ffs!

No try

Scratch wrote:

nathan wrote:

No9 wrote:

nathan wrote:

No9 wrote:FFS stop knocking Owens for England's failure to win...

England have done well, better than I expected. But all this Owens knocking is just underlining the "whinging poms" tag...

what you been smoking?

You tell me... I'm watching this as a neutral, your the one slating Owens again...


Perhaps you can ask for 4 English officials for the next test....   

a couple of comments about Owens and you think i'm slating him. O my you are precious about him arnt you.

are you actually a real person or just an aggro bot?  

coming from you   

Whoa, no try

How on earth were the AB's offside at that ruck? There were no English in sight. Ridiculous

no try...

That isn't a try, FFS Brown!!

thats a try for me

This end of season talk is a joke - don't hear it from the AB's when we tour up North. The POMS have been saying they are real challengers - they're not, they're sluggish and way out of condition - looking knackered before 60 mins is a shocker.

Ben Smith - best fullback in world rugby and MoTM

hmmmm, not try but there should be a yellow for NZ

Haven't been reading all these comments, so I don't know what you guys think, but I this the ref has been spot on today and really allowed the game to flow.

Maybe I'm being over critical but Twelvtrees is in for his passing.... But has any of his passes not actually hit the ground?

complete man sausage up by the refs there

What is the point of TMO's if that is the standard? That's a joke

Easily a try