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POS | Aviva Premiership | PLAYED | WON | DREW | LOST | P F | P A | P D | T F | T A | TBP | LBP | POINTS | |
1 | Bath Rugby | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
2 | Exeter Chiefs | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
3 | Gloucester | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
4 | Harlequins | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
5 | Leicester Tigers | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
6 | London Irish | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
7 | London Wasps | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
8 | London Welsh | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
9 | Newcastle Falcons | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
10 | Northampton Saints | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
11 | Sale Sharks | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
12 | Saracens | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
Fixture List
Released/Championship/National League/Academy Bidding
Foreign Transfers
Budgets
European Homepage
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Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.
Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1992.
Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:
- Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.- Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on its own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.- Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
Open Window
Open transfer window, teams have unlimited bids provided they have the financial resources to cover them. Teams may only bid for one player at a time.
The window will open from the 9th of June but only to those sides that finish 8th and below at first. They will have a week to make one signing each before the window is open to all.
Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation
Compensation will be paid as follows
£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other
All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 15:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.
Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box.
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.
In addition, each team must have the following:-
For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.
For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.
At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.
All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).
Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.
If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.
Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.
Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.
Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.
£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.
AP finishing positions.
Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m
Heineken Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million
Amlin Challenge Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million
Anglo-Welsh Cup
Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million
If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.
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SirJohnnyEnglish- Posts : 8536
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:Cips looked solid when he came on and Brookes really tore up the scrum, trying to keep positive
Cips doing very well as is brookes
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Did read go off with concussion ? If so he is in trouble. Nz press have said his concussion issues have been really serious. Growing problem
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I don't think so, just ran out of steam
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Primary job of a winger is finishing off chancss and scoring tries. Yes they they need to defend, but not sure why Ashton and Yarde are coming I for so much flak. Yes they missed tackles, ut the defensive system was all over the place and every player in the team missed tackles. So single the two wings out says to me that people had made up their minds about them pre game and have only seen what they wanted to see.
Sort the defensive structure and the centre pairing out and Ashton and Yarde will get more tries than they concede. They are definitely the first choice wings as far as I can see.
Sort the defensive structure and the centre pairing out and Ashton and Yarde will get more tries than they concede. They are definitely the first choice wings as far as I can see.
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Agree Pete, they were the least of our worries. Apart from when Yarde over ran they both done ok imo.
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Few players available:
HK Ross Batty (England)
PR Max Lahiff (England)
PR Jannie Du Plessis (South Africa)
PR Luc Ducalcon (France)
PR Clement Ric (France)
LK Louis Deacon (England)
CE Tom Taylor (New Zealand)
CE Jonathan Davies (Wales)
CE George Lowe (England)
FB Lee Byrne (Wales)
HK Ross Batty (England)
PR Max Lahiff (England)
PR Jannie Du Plessis (South Africa)
PR Luc Ducalcon (France)
PR Clement Ric (France)
LK Louis Deacon (England)
CE Tom Taylor (New Zealand)
CE Jonathan Davies (Wales)
CE George Lowe (England)
FB Lee Byrne (Wales)
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I'm not sure on Yarde, looks a strong ball carrier but would say he needs more work than May to be the finished article. When he gets on the ball he is a real threat and hard to bring down. Just positionally and decision making he struggles - that will change at Quins and getting exposure to top European rugby.
I really like May, he does make some dodgy decisions when he's close to his own tryline!
They both need to develop their complete game - do feel a bit sorry for any England winger though as the way we still play doesn't see us put them in enough space or create chances for them - look at how NZ put Savea into space time and time again.
Would like to see Wade given a chance.
I really like May, he does make some dodgy decisions when he's close to his own tryline!
They both need to develop their complete game - do feel a bit sorry for any England winger though as the way we still play doesn't see us put them in enough space or create chances for them - look at how NZ put Savea into space time and time again.
Would like to see Wade given a chance.
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Yea I'd like to see Wade too.
Yarde is well ahead of May imo
Yarde is well ahead of May imo
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Lee standing up well against beast
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Doing well so far, Beast isn't a big scrummager so be easier than last week
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Awesome from Cuthbert. Wales looking decent
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All Wales at the minute, cracking play from Davies & Cuthbert on build up and good finish. SA slow out of the blocks
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Alberts and Steyn hooked off??
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Lee murdering Beast, didn't see that coming
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That was coming, SA rolling maul immense
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Imploding here!!
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SA have woke up! Great play JP and WLR
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Brilliant from Jenkins. This could go either way now.
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SA scrum on top now, Beast has sorted himself out. Good game
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He's surely lost that??? Video ref bottled it
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Clear knock on?
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Better pace this half
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:He's surely lost that??? Video ref bottled it
Absolutely bottled it.
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Harsh way to lose
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Finger at Williams for bottling it? Afraid of getting hurt with proper tackle?
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Not for me Luke. Thought Williams had a fine game. Wales mentally cannot beat Southern Hemisphere teams.
A real psychological barrier. Steve Walsh reffed that really well and I have never said that about him before
A real psychological barrier. Steve Walsh reffed that really well and I have never said that about him before
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Williams was excellent throughout. As were most of the welsh.
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Missed the last 20, can't believe they lost!
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Ozzy3213 wrote:Primary job of a winger is finishing off chancss and scoring tries. Yes they they need to defend, but not sure why Ashton and Yarde are coming I for so much flak. Yes they missed tackles, ut the defensive system was all over the place and every player in the team missed tackles. So single the two wings out says to me that people had made up their minds about them pre game and have only seen what they wanted to see.
Sort the defensive structure and the centre pairing out and Ashton and Yarde will get more tries than they concede. They are definitely the first choice wings as far as I can see.
Pete agree with sorting centres and are defensive system. Disagree re yarde and Ashton.
Think we need better. Think Yarde could become decent but needs a lot of work on his defence and general decision making. Think May's all round game
Is much further ahead than Yarde IMO
Generally our backs are not great. There is an argument for picking a load of backs that can defend and play ten man rugby
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/10916411/New-Zealand-v-England-player-ratings-Kyle-Eastmond-was-horribly-exposed-and-Courtney-Lawes-disappeared.html
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Eastmond took a right bashing in that
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Im no fan of the traitor yarde anymore but he is much better than may for me. Defensively needs a lot of work yes but attacking is our best option. Bar maybe wade but he hasnt been tried out yet.
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NZ coaches did their homework on Eastmond. Can anyone work out what Mike Catt is contributing in terms of our backplay? I can't work out our attacking structure at all, or how we are trying to create the space.
Lawes can do that sometimes, still don't think he is a good enough carrier in the more physical games.
Had a catch up with a friend who I used to work with and he works for the law firm that Bath employ and it sounds as though the RFU have had a bit of a change of heart on the money front with Burgess and will contribute if he is played at no12 and will fast track him into the RWC squad.
Think that shows how desperate we are for a no12 to emerge!
Lawes can do that sometimes, still don't think he is a good enough carrier in the more physical games.
Had a catch up with a friend who I used to work with and he works for the law firm that Bath employ and it sounds as though the RFU have had a bit of a change of heart on the money front with Burgess and will contribute if he is played at no12 and will fast track him into the RWC squad.
Think that shows how desperate we are for a no12 to emerge!
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Do agree with Mat on May and Yarde.
I get the impression that Lancaster doesn't allow his real attacking players to go out and play their natural game and keeps the shackles on more, which would hinder a guy like May. You could see it in Cipriani midweek and when he came on.
Don't think I have seen an England team lose the ball that much in contact before, you just hope it is because they are at the end of a long season, but support in contact and at the breakdown was minimal today, no chasing our kicks to put pressure on the ABs. Just looked so jaded.
I get the impression that Lancaster doesn't allow his real attacking players to go out and play their natural game and keeps the shackles on more, which would hinder a guy like May. You could see it in Cipriani midweek and when he came on.
Don't think I have seen an England team lose the ball that much in contact before, you just hope it is because they are at the end of a long season, but support in contact and at the breakdown was minimal today, no chasing our kicks to put pressure on the ABs. Just looked so jaded.
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Has may scored a try for england yet? Yarde has 4 in 6 now no? May none in 7 or 8?
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I'm with you Nick, Yarde is a fantastic talent. He runs hard and straight and threatens defences. He had a few issues in defence but he's not a worry imo.
May is an able 2nd choice on the left wing but just doesn't offer a scoring threat.
I'm actually really surprised people think May is a better option.
May is an able 2nd choice on the left wing but just doesn't offer a scoring threat.
I'm actually really surprised people think May is a better option.
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4 tries in 5 tests for Yarde, including 2 tries in 3 games against the All Blacks.
0 tries in 7 tests for May, including drawing a blank aginst the powerhouses of Scotland and Italy.
0 tries in 7 tests for May, including drawing a blank aginst the powerhouses of Scotland and Italy.
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Stats speak for themself. Dont get me wrong i like may too and he is decent, just not as good as yarde for me.
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Ozzy3213 wrote:4 tries in 5 tests for Yarde, including 2 tries in 3 games against the All Blacks.
0 tries in 7 tests for May, including drawing a blank aginst the powerhouses of Scotland and Italy.
Think May is much more dangerous and has X factor.
Stats slightly misleading and do not tell the tale. May started vs France came off early and did not back himself. Vs nz was close to scoring and is a real opportunist. May also has been tight in defence and has good kicking game.
Personally prefer nowell and may as both are footballers.
We are playing a bit more expansive now also but also agree with Chris that being an English winger involved limited opportunities.
I like yarde and his direct style and his work rate. Just think his defence and basics are way off. If quins sort that then he will be good.
Him and walker will be some wings for quins.
Lots of people like greenwood think walker is the long term wing solution and is a true footballer. Add in Watson
And young Earle and we should sort our backline out.
Centres are our biggest issue
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dammit_chris wrote:NZ coaches did their homework on Eastmond. Can anyone work out what Mike Catt is contributing in terms of our backplay? I can't work out our attacking structure at all, or how we are trying to create the space.
Lawes can do that sometimes, still don't think he is a good enough carrier in the more physical games.
Had a catch up with a friend who I used to work with and he works for the law firm that Bath employ and it sounds as though the RFU have had a bit of a change of heart on the money front with Burgess and will contribute if he is played at no12 and will fast track him into the RWC squad.
Think that shows how desperate we are for a no12 to emerge!
True but historically we are poor attacking wise
In the backs.
The argument is our league structure and drive for points means we are afraid to go for
It and play conservatively.
Overall I think we had a decent tour considering it's end of season and injuries etc. I want us to win the WC and think we have a chance but we have some glaring things to work on
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I'm not sure how you can conclude that a man who has 0 in 7 is more dangerous than one who has 4 in 5, it just doesn't add up. Greenwood in his post match analysis seemed keen to extol Yarde's virtues, briefly touching on defensive lapses but preferring to concentrate on the attacking threat he provides.
None of our genuine wingers are any better defensively than Yarde. May I class as a utility back, and Nowell a full back, so you are looking at people like Ashton, Wade, Varndell, Sharples etc, all of whom also miss tackles. Yarde actually defends better on the right wing than on the left, so potentially does have a weaker side. He is still a young guy, and can learn defensive technique, as it's not a case of him not being willing to get stuck in. That is easier to teach than giving someone a try scoring instinct, and for me, that's why he is equal to or above any other winger in the country right now.
None of our genuine wingers are any better defensively than Yarde. May I class as a utility back, and Nowell a full back, so you are looking at people like Ashton, Wade, Varndell, Sharples etc, all of whom also miss tackles. Yarde actually defends better on the right wing than on the left, so potentially does have a weaker side. He is still a young guy, and can learn defensive technique, as it's not a case of him not being willing to get stuck in. That is easier to teach than giving someone a try scoring instinct, and for me, that's why he is equal to or above any other winger in the country right now.
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I think we're too worried about defending , we need to take the Kevin Keegan 90s approach and score two tries for the oppositions one!
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See Japan turned Italy over 26-23 in Tokeyo today.
Can't believe Tommy Allen chose Italy , would of been in Jocks squad now if he hadn't of been cap greedy.
Can't believe Tommy Allen chose Italy , would of been in Jocks squad now if he hadn't of been cap greedy.
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Driver wrote:I think we're too worried about defending , we need to take the Kevin Keegan 90s approach and score two tries for the oppositions one!
What did that win him Driver??
It did produce the best sporting interview of all time when he melted down and got owned by ferguson. " I would love it "
Keegan was an utter clown. Used to have a place near mum and dad and to say he was not the brightest is being very kind
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