Should Boxers be counted out after the bell ??

I think it's bollox being counted after the ....bell ends..Pardon the pun..

You have three minutes to stop someone...12 x 3 !!!..

Not 3 mins and 1-10 seconds !!!..

It's one minute of rest...Not fight time !!!..

Should Boxers be counted out after the bell...Not for me..

Whenever they show the fight rules on the tv screen before a bout it always says 'cannot be saved by the bell' these days.

Is this the case everywhere and in every bout now or does anyone do differently?

Depends how badly hurt they are. The rules state that if knocked down you've got 10 seconds to get to your feet and then show your safe to carry on. Give the count, let them get up and see if they can carry on.

I think we should have standing 8 counts too as I'm sure (although not positive) that these aren't as prevalent as they used to be.

Also states 12 x 3 minute rounds...

Can't knock a guy out in 3 mins...Tough doody woody..

I'm thinking it more from a safety standpoint Truss.

Would you rather the bell saved them, they wobble back to the corner who then don't throw in the towel, he then gets up for the next round, gets clobbered again and gets a serious injury?

Referee's job to stop an unfit fighter.....If the corner is lacking..

You mustn't have seen the Kovalev v Cleverly fight.

Cleverly saved by the bell and then carried over to his corner by the ref before being told by his old man to toughen up and be sent out for another round.

In a perfect world that's what would happen, unfortunately we all know it doesn't. (See Strongy's post above)

I'm surprised actually Truss as I thought you was very big on safety in the sport and would have thought this would be a black and white issue for you.

What has safety got to with it...

A corner should pull his Man out If he's not fit !!

A guy should have a full minute's rest !!

Safety has everything to do with it.

Read Strongy's post again and it's a perfect example of why you can't always trust the cornermen or the ref to stop the fight at the right point.

If you carried the count on after the bell and he's counted out, can't communicate properly with the ref he knows to stop it.

If he's walking out of his corner (like Clev) then the ref thinks it's okay and lets it go BANG!!!! another tragedy in boxing. Someone's severly injured/killed for the sake of an extra 20 seconds.

One example.....

You can't make your laws for a minority of incompetents....Next time a guy dies in the Indy let's have a 100mph speed limit in case we have bad drivers..

One example is enough for me Truss.
But if you trawl youtube and older fights, you'll be able to find numerous examples
Continue to watch boxing and you'll see a lot more. It's really common sense from a safety viewpoint.

Put it this way, if it was a family member/close friend in the ring and they were the one it happened to you'd change your tune straight away.

How many times have you complained about different refs, corners or boxers themselves carrying on when they shouldn't. It's a dangerous sport and unless you want them fighting with pillows on their hands and massive headguards you have to safeguard elsewhere.

As long as the knockout / knock down punch lands before that bell rings, then I don't see any reason why the fallen fighter shouldn't have a count against him, even if the shot came in the closing seconds of the round and as such the count goes past the 3:00 mark. You say that a fighter should always have a minute of rest, but at the same time it's just as easy to say that each round should always be three minutes. What can you do, instruct the fighters to take it a bit easier from 2:45 onwards in each round to avoid something like this happening? It's three minutes, so whether you knock the guy down in the first couple or last couple of seconds, it's all fine and dandy, for me.

On top of that, let's say a fighter gets sparked, down for the countwith a punch that landed with just two or three seconds left in a round. You can't punish the guy who threw the punch, and you can't expect a knocked out fighter to eventually get up, clear his head and then fight on in the furnace of that kind of brain trauma. So what happens then? A no contest? A technical draw? Go to points tallies at the time of the stoppage to determine a winner? None of them really fair on the guy who has taken his chance and knocked the other fella out, and a lucky reprieve for the guy who hit the canvas.

You can make a mistake and get knocked out at any moment of a round / fight. If it just so happens to be in the final seconds of a round, then oh well, tough luck in my eyes.

Correct me if I'm wrong Trussy but your saying that if a boxer gets knocked down at the end of ANY round, as soon as the bell rings that fighter should be picked up, taken to his corner and get ready for the next round. No count at all???

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Also states 12 x 3 minute rounds...

Can't knock a guy out in 3 mins...Tough doody woody..

But if you knock him out at 2:59 of the round then you have knocked him out in 3 minutes haven't you? If you have to allow time for the count then you only have 2 minutes 50 seconds to score a KO. For me, if you get laid out and the bell goes you should still have to demonstrate the same ability to continue as you would mid round, then the minute interval can commence when the ref waves you on, safest way.

11 rounds up 2 seconds left in the twelfth and you get sparked cold. That would be an amusing announcement of the result, with a limp fighter having his arm raised before being stretchered out.