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Post by Jamwar1 Mon 21 Jul 2014, 7:17 pm

First topic message reminder :

You have to feel sorry for Tyson despite your personal feelings for him. Chisora apparently has a fractured hand. Would you try and get a late late replacement if you was Warren?


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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Mon 21 Jul 2014, 10:41 pm

4000 tickets of a potential 20,000 is the whisper, which is awful.

Also, Chisora has stated the fight will happen next month instead. Can Frank ethically sell a separate rematch between Chis & Fury at a later date whilst not offering refunds for this Saturdays event? To me that would be a scandal.
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Post by Rowley Mon 21 Jul 2014, 10:43 pm

You would like to think this weekends tickets would still be valid for the rescheduled fight. As you have alluded to anything less than this is a little unethical.

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Post by hazharrison Mon 21 Jul 2014, 10:53 pm

I've broken my hand and you can't fight within a month - no chance.

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Post by catchweight Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:10 pm

Will the rematch even happen? 4k is pretty abysmal. I can see Fury going to Sky.

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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:18 pm

catchweight wrote:Will the rematch even happen? 4k is pretty abysmal. I can see Fury going to Sky.

It's a world title eliminator, it's in both their interests to fight surely? Trouble is either not many people are bothered or Warren is just doing a bad job marketing it. To me it's the latter. All British HW affair, but you hear nothing about it other than on hardcore forums. Let's say Fury did sign with Sky (by which we mean Hearn), would Frank be willing to let his guy (Chisora) fight on a MatchRoom show having failed to sell the fight himself? Never, the fight would be dead. I've seen an interview with Hearn where he wasn't over enthusiastic about the possibility of working with Fury due to his questionable temperament and all the family baggage that comes with him. Plus they are marketing Joshua as the next big HW.
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Post by Strongback Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:26 pm

Can't see Warren wanting to do this again. He'd already going to lose a packet.

Frank seems to have lost his ability to promote a fight. Maybe he is only interested in BoxNation.

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Post by catchweight Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:33 pm

I dont think the eliminator is too big a deal. Fury has passed on eliminators before in order to get a bigger pay day. Hearn shouldn't have any bother sorting him with another eliminator in any case. If Fury thinks he can make more elsewhere Im sure he follow the money. Why put yourself in a position to jerked around for a wash out fight again?

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Post by Dipper Brown Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:40 pm

Eddie won't want anything to do with Fury. Joshua is the big prospect, unless a heavyweight can be fed to him, Hearn will have no interest in him.

Don't blame him. Wouldn't touch Fury with a barge pole!

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Post by catchweight Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:42 pm

Hearn will have interest in anyone that can make him money

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Post by Strongback Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:45 pm

Hearn will have no problem with Fury v Joshua when AJ gets a bit more experience under his belt.

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Post by Dipper Brown Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:49 pm

At this point, I don't see it. Can't see Joshua put in a fight where he isn't overwhelming favourite, although I believe Joshua's potential far exceeds what we've seen from Fury. I wouldn't bet against him blasting him out tomorrow but unless it's a guarantee, Hearn won't risk the goose that lays the golden egg.

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Post by catchweight Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:52 pm

It wont happen today or tomorrow but a year or 18 months down the line

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Post by Dipper Brown Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:59 pm

Okay, to clarify I guess a Joshua Fury fight could happen down the line. What I mean is, I can't see Hearn signing Fury and putting up with the circus until that date. Hearn seems to be putting all his eggs in the AJ basket and won't want to promote any other British prospect as the next big thing.

I still class Fury as nothing more than a prospect and nowhere near the real deal. Actually I see him as a pudding, but as long as I'm using boxing terminology Smile.

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Post by compelling and rich Tue 22 Jul 2014, 12:31 am

havent got boxnation, and pretty much forgot this fight was this weekend. i love the heavies even in there current dire state shows you how bad the marketing is and how much boxing really is getting marginalized. unless you got the backing of sky and mainly sky sports news fighters are going well under the radar

i barely watch boxing anymore, cant stay up to watch the early hours shows and watch mainly on sky go accounts so cant record them. used to love it but barely get any decent 50/50 these days, and when we do its on box office. the clev/bellew card is what we get these days and its rubbish massive massive favourites all the time fighting under dogs where there's only one winner. id much prefer watching less talented 50/50 fights than the Olympians versus tin cans or headline mismatches

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Post by catchweight Tue 22 Jul 2014, 12:37 am

Why would he turn Fury down? Circus is good for boxing promoters. He could even start building towards a collision course between the two down the line. They are at different stages of their career now but Fury definitely has a world title tilt in him which Im sure Hearn could deliver.

Fury is similar enough to Tony Bellew in his carry on. They are volatile characters but also capable of coming off across quite well when it suits them in a wearing their heart on their sleeve sort of way. They both talk a good game well beyond their capabilities.

There is money in Fury so why wouldn't Hearn want a piece?

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Post by oxring Tue 22 Jul 2014, 1:31 am

Fury polarises opinions pretty effectively - a shame he can't fight as well as he talks, or he'd have been world champion years ago.

I have waited for his career to ignite for years now - compared with the unworthies who have had the honour of fighting for the greatest prize in our sport - Chambers, Leapai, Harrison, Pianeta, Wach - Fury had more natural talent.

Yet, through some infamous dodgy dealing from first David, then uncle Frank, he's only fought once, looking serviceable if not impressive, in seven months.

If Chisora were to come back and try to rearrange, if I were Tyson, I wouldn't take the fight.

Time to ditch fat Mick and sign with the Sauerlands. A stream of heavyweights will be poured in his direction and he'd have a fight w/ a Kbro in a year.

If Pulev doesn't pull off the unthinkable, of course.
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Post by Mr Bounce Tue 22 Jul 2014, 7:50 am

It's a shame that Price is injured. I reckon he could've fought Fury. Would've likely been a knockdown-fest!

Is Wilder available??? devil

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Post by Dipper Brown Tue 22 Jul 2014, 8:57 am

Been postponed hasn't it? With Billy Joe Saunders bumped up to headline. Agreed Price would have been ideal. That's the fight everyone wanted and seemed destined to happen a while back

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 22 Jul 2014, 9:14 am

The show didn't have much going for it...

1. Boxers don't need eliminators these days..So there was nothing to fight for..

2. They didn't have the SKY franchise to trail and market the show..and get it out there..

3. The first fight stunk..

4. None have name recognition outside Boxing.

5. One is a journeyman and the other at best half decent.

Certainly a convenient injury...To a show grossly over valued by a Promoter who is increasingly becoming marginalised !!..

I'll be staggered If Fury isn't on SKY soon..

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Post by mobilemaster8 Tue 22 Jul 2014, 9:37 am

Happy days although feel for the paying customers who have tickets.

Glad that Fury hasn't got a fight yet again, they guy shouldn't get paid for all the rants he gobs off over.

Limited skills, no technique, poor footwork, no defence and a weak chin....yet this guy walks and talks like a complete monster as if he is the coming of an Ali/Tyson hybrid.

Its really is pathetic, and I for one am glad he has £0 for this.

Deserved in hindsite due to his actions in the build up I suppose.

Karma or something.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Tue 22 Jul 2014, 9:40 am

Truss, Kell Brook needs eliminators.

He has been in them since 2007 or something.

Who knows where his career would be had he not been in eliminator fights.

Got his name on the big screen by hammering the Hatton Conqueror..... And then P4P king Carson Jones...twice...

He has a teak tough list of opponents.

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Post by Rowley Tue 22 Jul 2014, 9:47 am

Should probably say at this point eliminators earn you mandatory status. As mandatory you are guaranteed a certain percentage of the purse and the contract you sign cannot have rematch clauses in it. These might seem minor things but if you are about to negotiate a fight with Wlad I suspect you will welcome these protections.

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Tue 22 Jul 2014, 9:51 am

Replacement has already been found.

My money is on Ms Bronze.
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Post by rIck_dAgless Tue 22 Jul 2014, 10:06 am

She is blatantly ducking the true Heavyweight Champion of the world.

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Post by Dipper Brown Tue 22 Jul 2014, 10:16 am

Shame he wasn't in Bolton a few weeks ago, could have rounded up the rest of the Beverly hillbillies and had a scrap with Amir Khan.

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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Tue 22 Jul 2014, 8:08 pm

Warren has done the decent things and offered refunds; people can either use their ticket for Saturday (where Fury apparently should still be fighting), or save it and it'll be valid for the rescheduled fury chis event, or just claim a full refund. Personally I'd go for the full refund, no guarantee the fight will get re-made, and if it does you can just use the money to rebook.
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Post by catchweight Tue 22 Jul 2014, 10:09 pm

Audley Harrison has said he would be interested in facing Fury at short notice and would take the fight for free if it remained a world title eliminator.

Antonio Tarver is another being mentioned.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Tue 22 Jul 2014, 11:09 pm

catchweight wrote:Audley Harrison has said he would be interested in facing Fury at short notice and would take the fight for free if it remained a world title eliminator.

Antonio Tarver is another being mentioned.

where is the harrisson source?

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Post by Strongback Tue 22 Jul 2014, 11:10 pm

Shannon Briggs has called Fury out. Don't know if Briggs would pass a drug test though.

I wouldn't back Fury to get Briggs out of there.

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Post by hazharrison Wed 23 Jul 2014, 7:26 am

Looks like Alexander Ustinov

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Post by ShahenshahG Wed 23 Jul 2014, 7:39 am

Fury is fighting Ustinov if bbboc dont block him from fighting apparently. Source I hesitate to say is the Daily Mail

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Post by hazharrison Wed 23 Jul 2014, 7:58 am

Shaun Brown has it for Boxing Scene so it's legit

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Post by ShahenshahG Wed 23 Jul 2014, 7:59 am

Fair enough. Not a bad replacement really

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Post by hazharrison Wed 23 Jul 2014, 7:59 am

He's been sparring Chisora. Fury will stop him.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 23 Jul 2014, 8:05 am

The longer Fury p***es about...The more experience Joshua will be gaining..

Fury's window of opportunity is getting smaller......My advice is play the Klit/Stiverne lottery today because Joshua cleans up tomorrow..

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Post by hazharrison Wed 23 Jul 2014, 8:30 am

To be fair, the fact Tyson has been treading water of late isn't really down to him.

I read that King is planning on making Stiverne-Wilder in Egypt! Next to the pyramids.

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Post by hayemaker Wed 23 Jul 2014, 9:33 am

How funny would it be if Fury fought Audley!!! I could see Audley beating Fury who is absolutely rubbish. People gave Haye abuse for fighting Audley but he did what he said he would do and knocked him out so are peope going to say the same for Fury if he fights Audley and probably loses!!

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Post by 88Chris05 Wed 23 Jul 2014, 10:01 am

Even when it's tongue in cheek like the post above (well, I hope it's tongue in cheek anyway!), the idea of anyone still claiming that Audley fighting a game Heavyweight who comes to have a good scrap and who isn't a regional journeyman would result in anything other than Harrison getting ten bells knocked out of him always brings a grin to my face!
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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jul 2014, 10:41 am

Alexander Ustinov? May as well dig up Peter Ustinov.

Fury needs to take a risk and fight whoever is put in front of him this weekend. He can't afford to have any more time out of the ring as he lacks the actual boxing skills to be able to have a lengthy lay off without looking like a brain damaged bullock. Also be interesting to see what this supposed future HW champ looks like when he's had a great training camp and is at peak fitness and conditioning.

hazharrison wrote:To be fair, the fact Tyson has been treading water of late isn't really down to him.
Er, yes it is, he refused to fight Pulev which was an eliminator for Wlad in order to take the Haye fight. Had he done that in the first place, he's already have fought and been beaten by Wlad and we wouldn't have to suffer the ramblings of this "ten pounds of sh!t in a five pound bag" any more...another in a long list of reasons to despise him

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Post by Rowley Wed 23 Jul 2014, 10:47 am

Bit unfair Dave, Fury's reasons for pulling out of the Pulev fight were eminently understandable, he was going to make a pile more money, and in his position 99% of fighters out there would have done exactly the same. He was not to know Haye would pull out of the fight twice, he has a little form for this, but also every reason to think Haye would go through with it as it fits his template of maximum reward for minimum risk as well as any fight outside of the Audley fight.

Also can't have known Chisora would injure himself. He has had awful luck. Who is to say had he signed to fight Pulev, Pulev might have got injured, would we then be criticising Fury for turning down millions against Haye?

Appreciate some folk don't like Fury, and there any myriad reasons to dislike him, but to criticise him for opponents getting injured seems ever so vaguely ridiculous.

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jul 2014, 10:56 am

Well Pulev didn't get injured did he and has had a number of fights since Fury ditched him. For a guy claiming he'll do XY and Z he's not much better at putting it on the line than the man he's been b!tching about for the past six months or more. As for criticizing him, I'm not criticizing him cos anyone's injured, I'm criticizing him cos he's an ar$ehole

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Post by Rowley Wed 23 Jul 2014, 10:58 am

DAVE667 wrote:Well Pulev didn't get injured did he

Travellers aren't really psychic you know Dave, Fury had no way of knowing that at the time.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 23 Jul 2014, 11:15 am

A gypsy told me years ago that I was going to be handsome, charming, and that I would travel and have a Wife and kids....So she wasn't that far out...

Then again she did say I'd be travelling somewhere nice and that Cooney would beat Holmes...

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Post by catchweight Wed 23 Jul 2014, 11:18 am

Nothing Fury can do about his opponents pulling out. I think he smelt a rat with Haye but there was too much money on the table to turn down.

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Post by hazharrison Wed 23 Jul 2014, 11:20 am

DAVE667 wrote:Alexander Ustinov? May as well dig up Peter Ustinov.

Fury needs to take a risk and fight whoever is put in front of him this weekend. He can't afford to have any more time out of the ring as he lacks the actual boxing skills to be able to have a lengthy lay off without looking like a brain damaged bullock. Also be interesting to see what this supposed future HW champ looks like when he's had a great training camp and is at peak fitness and conditioning.

hazharrison wrote:To be fair, the fact Tyson has been treading water of late isn't really down to him.
Er, yes it is, he refused to fight Pulev which was an eliminator for Wlad in order to take the Haye fight. Had he done that in the first place, he's already have fought and been beaten by Wlad and we wouldn't have to suffer the ramblings of this "ten pounds of sh!t in a five pound bag" any more...another in a long list of reasons to despise him

He had the option to face Pulev for buttons or Haye for £5m -- a no-brainer. It wasn't his fault Haye bailed on him twice.

Fury isn't an easy fight for Wlad. He'd at least get stuck in, unlike Haye.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 23 Jul 2014, 11:23 am

Too easy to hit...and Wlad isn't a cruiser

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Post by hazharrison Wed 23 Jul 2014, 11:57 am

Oh yeah, sucker for a right hand (if Wlad dare throw it).

Fury would spook the bejesus out of him. I reckon he'd give Wlad his best fight in years -- he'd go in and fight him.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 23 Jul 2014, 12:34 pm

I guess we see it differently...

Wlad early for me..

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Post by Dipper Brown Wed 23 Jul 2014, 12:46 pm

Fury's too open, too slow, too dumb. Wlad wins whenever he wants. Can't see any way it goes past 5 to be honest

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Post by bellchees Wed 23 Jul 2014, 1:04 pm

Fury might be less inclined to get in and mix it with Wlad after eating a jab that probably feels as hard as the overhand right Cunningham put him down with. I don't think Wlad opponents realise just how heavy handed he is until they catch a jab or that sledge hammer right.

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