Dustin Johnson out of Ryder Cup due to 'personal challenges'

Good for him. Putting his personal life before his professional life.

Anyone know what's behind this then? Are the issues just to do with mental frailty under pressure? Or some off course distraction like woman trouble or substance abuse?

Hope he gets what he needs from the break. Way too talented not to be a multiple major winner, has knocked on the door several times, admittedly when he comes undone he does it rather spectacularly.

He's got the new series of Mythbusters to film.

Hope it's not ebola

The word out there is ... drugs!

Now we all know why he's so laid back all time.   

recreational drugs rather than performance enhancing? or has he been at the deer antler spray?

incon ... recreational but all rumour ... no hard facts.  Cocaine has been mentioned though and alcohol.

Begs the question though, did he go voluntarily or was he pushed?

Good luck to the guy and all that but why, these days, do statements like this have to be so utterly crap and have been so obviously filtered by some PR flunky?

Drugs at 30? Christ, hasn't he grown up yet?

Its funny, Id imagine plenty would say I had "personal issues" in my 20's with drugs and alcohol. Personally I thought I was just having a good time, as where all my mates.

Nothing wrong with a bit of charlie in your 30's Super. As long as everything is in moderation.

As I said in antoher thread I'm quite sure he's hooked on ganja. You can tell from his eyes.

Diggers wrote:Nothing wrong with a bit of charlie in your 30's Super. As long as everything is in moderation.

Not sure about that Diggers, perhaps within the 'luvvy' media industry where it might even add to a bit of creativity and where you aren't tested and it's almost expected, but not something worth risking if you are a professional sportsman.

If his mind and will are so weak he can't resist a bit of "recreational drug use" it's no surprise it hasn't carried him over the line in majors.

I meant in general it's fairly harmless for anyone once in a while. Much better the very occasional line of coke rather than say 20 fags a day.
I haven't had any for a long time but a few friends will indulge, I've never met anyone remotely addicted to coke, just loads of occasional users. But many of the same people can't control the nicotine habit that is killing them a little bit more every day.
Some of the drug laws in the UK and the States are crazy really, very 19th century.

Diggers wrote:I meant in general it's fairly harmless for anyone once in a while. Much better the very occasional line of coke rather than say 20 fags a day.
I haven't had any for a long time but a few friends will indulge, I've never met anyone remotely addicted to coke, just loads of occasional users. But many of the same people can't control the nicotine habit that is killing them a little bit more every day.
Some of the drug laws in the UK and the States are crazy really, very 19th century.

Ah, I see what you mean.

I've never done it personally, although as a young student on occasion had a variety of substances. Good fun, although the old wacky backy is perhaps the most over-rated and pointless substance I can possibly think of.

Yes agree re doobies, I used to then realised I didn't enjoy it and that was about 25 years ago and haven't inhaled since. Again though lots of my mates do but they now seem completely immune to it so don't know why they bother really.

People doing drugs should think of the crime associated with supplying/smuggling it to you. In fact when you do a bit of charlie or take a spliff it has most likely been at the expense of murder, distortion, violence, corruption etc. You may have a spliff in one hand, but for sure you have blood on both hands.

With that being said I think these things should be legalised one way or the other. The government should sell marihuana and make tons of money on it and hard drugs should be supplied by doctors to addicts (under controlled circumstances of course), helping them to rid of their addict. Crime, including burglaries, would be reduced significantly. Sure the gangsters would need to find something else to do, but that shouldn't hold us back.

Especially in the US they should get their act together. >50,000 people killed in Mexico in trying to supply the Americans, yet the hard core (Christian!) right wingers in the US don't see a moral problem. They're too busy protecting (American) people aginst themselves.

At least we should try it. What we do now (or don't do!) is for sure not working. There's nothing to loose.

Pedro, do people think of child labour when they buy cheap trainers? The chain to provide services and goods is pretty shabby in lots of cases.
It's not the fault of the end user or with drugs, as you rightly say its time for some sensible legislation to try and resolve the problems.

Dead right Diggers, if we knew the supply chain of everything we own, we'd never buy anything.

Re. child labour many big companies are taking it seriously and now guaranteeing their stuff is child labour free. In fact on some stuff it is certified, just as you can get certified fair-trade etc. Of course it's not all water proof, and some is just marketing BS, but consumers are demanding it more and more.

Thing is also, with trainers you don't know for sure how they're made. But with drugs you absolutely know that it's shady at best.

super_realist wrote:Dead right Diggers, if we knew the supply chain of everything we own, we'd never buy anything.

Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If you don't give a sh!t, fair enough. But if you care - as more and more conscious consumers do - it will move something. And it does.

Kwini can probably confirm when he rises but i think those in the know were pretty sure he served a drugs ban previously which he said was a back injury. he won on his first week back which would suggest the back wasnt too bad

hend0,
I mentioned that on my thread yesterday, but the veil of silence over anything "disciplinary" is such that the rumour is probably worse than the fact.

pedro wrote:

super_realist wrote:Dead right Diggers, if we knew the supply chain of everything we own, we'd never buy anything.

Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If you don't give a sh!t, fair enough. But if you care - as more and more conscious consumers do - it will move something. And it does.

Just saying it's a bit hypocritical when virtually everything produced probably has some sort of suffering.

Saying that, drugs aren't a necessary thing, so if we were to legalise some aspects of it (at least on the face of it) it might reduce some suffering for some people.

Diggers wrote:I meant in general it's fairly harmless for anyone once in a while. Much better the very occasional line of coke rather than say 20 fags a day.
I haven't had any for a long time but a few friends will indulge, I've never met anyone remotely addicted to coke, just loads of occasional users. But many of the same people can't control the nicotine habit that is killing them a little bit more every day.
Some of the drug laws in the UK and the States are crazy really, very 19th century.

I can't see why anyone would voluntarily take something that messes with their head. The idea of fooling around with my 'self' is anathema and I say that as someone who drinks more than he probably should!
They could make all drugs legal for all I care....once there are decent, quick tests for them and/or their metabolites. Intoxicated, on whatever, while at work, driving etc etc and take the consequences. I'd have little sympathy.

navyblueshorts wrote: I can't see why anyone would voluntarily take something that messes with their head.

Women?  

fair trade cocaine is out of my price range pedro 

On the subject of drugs, alcohol is probably the worst of all and should be illegalised. Legalise marijuana and anything else that makes the user 'chilled out' and not harmful towards other people.

incontinentia wrote:fair trade cocaine is out of my price range pedro 

On the subject of drugs, alcohol is probably the worst of all and should be illegalised. Legalise marijuana and anything else that makes the user 'chilled out' and not harmful towards other people.

Don't be daft. You're not equating like with like or taking account of the relative numbers of users. Also, if you think marijuana is 'harmless', you're being seriously naïve.

Some of these spottsmen put do much into achieving what they set out to at a young age they miss out on a lot of fun when late teens and early twenties. They then come to it a bit later. If dustin likes a toke or sniff then as long as its not an addiction what harm does it cause? I cleared it all out of my system in my youth. But I always felt much better after a smoke then I do know when hungover. And amsterdam..whay a place for a 22year old!!

navy- whenever I read my local newspaper, about 80% of the court cases are alcohol related to varying extents. It is the drug that causes more anti-social behaviour, assaults etc than any other.

Cocaine it is then

Unless you can get hold of a few E's....

Whose report is that, sirb?

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/dustin-johnson-suspended-pga-tour-after-positive-test-cocaine

sirbenson wrote:http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/dustin-johnson-suspended-pga-tour-after-positive-test-cocaine

Ah, he was pushed then.  Surely has to be the first time for the pga tour to publicly disclose the outcome of a disciplinary matter?

mmmm,
There's going to be increasing pressure now for the Tour to release information on disciplinary actions, not least from Vijay Singh's legal team.
If they can't guarantee total secrecy, then unofficial reports are going to undermine their entire process.

Snap, gael!

Let's hope they got this right otherwise it could be awkward. Cue mass speculation on whose wife he supposedly played through...

kwinigolfer wrote:mmmm,
There's going to be increasing pressure now for the Tour to release information on disciplinary actions, not least from Vijay Singh's legal team.
If they can't guarantee total secrecy, then unofficial reports are going to undermine their entire process.

Snap, gael!

Hang on a minute.  Dustin's a repeat offender.  Can you be certain "the source" wasn't the pga tour itself?  Perhaps it has less to fear from the Vijay case than waiting for the inevitable 'car crash' brought on by DJ??

Could obviously be a Tour mole, but no difference - just shows their policy is flawed.

A repeat offender? Has it ever been proven and announced before? I don't think it has in which case need to be careful

Personally I think the stories are true - and possibly even "unofficially" sanctioned by the USPGA. They want to stick to their discrete policy? I don't agree with it but that's fine. They "leak" and the people they leak to are reliably informed it is true - everyone is a winner except DJ. If it's true then libel is not possible I believe - unless the libel laws are different in USA .. as far as I know truth is the perfect defense to a libel suit

Interesting... wonder whose wife he befouled. Also I wonder what sort of effect cocaine would have on one's game.

incontinentia wrote:Interesting... wonder whose wife he befouled.

I clap my hands if he did Lindsey Vonn!

Will Mackenzie's wife Alli Mackenzie apparently, google her and you'll maybe see why. She claims she was separated at the time of the alleged incident.

I notice his sexual indiscretion is gaining quite a bit less attention. Like Inco I am intrigued be whose wife he got it on with. It would have been a tasty US open pairing, certainly better than the fa group.

When we blame the tour for a lack of transparency is our ire directed in the right direction. It is presumably the player the loses when a drug indiscretion is made public as sponsors will have to drop them. How do we know the players organisation hasn't fought the PGA tour to keep drug suspensions under wraps? In any case a secret drugs ban is better commercially for the player caught.

ralphjohn69 wrote:Will Mackenzie's wife Alli Mackenzie apparently, google her and you'll maybe see why.  She claims she was separated at the time of the alleged incident.

She looks healthy.
And apparently there has been a few other wives before that.  

PGA tour just issued a statement denying any suspension and say DJ's break is of his own choosing.

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/pga-tour-d-johnson-not-under-suspension/


Nice to see things cleared up.

Mac, don't you think the PGA Tour has suggested him he should take a "self-imposed break"? The Tour don't seem to deny he has been tested positive - and why test for drugs if there are no sanctions.

Will MacKenzie and his wife have been estranged for ages.

Now the Tour is saying Dustin's absence is self-imposed.

Why don't we just give this story some time to breathe?

http://cainjb94.sportsblog.com/posts/440781/can_dustin_johnson_overcome_his.html