Mayweather and Canelo to potentially go head to head again

Not a rematch in the Ring (thank God). But it looks like Golden Boy are planning to move Alvarez to HBO and directly compete with Mayweather on the much coveted "Cinqo de Mayo" date on the boxing calender. This could mean both fighters fighting on the same night on different networks as Mayweather has already booked that date on Showtime. This will put pressure on both fighters to deliver a good opponent, with Alvarez widely expected to face Cotto, or possibly even Chavez Jr. Either opponent would really heap the pressure on Mayweather to deliver more than just a run of the mill opponent.

How Mayweather continues to be such a big attraction while doing very little of interest between the four posts is an indictment on modern society.  We live in a disposable era where we are buried under a deluge of useless information and the loudest most vacuous idiots are most rewarded.

What happened to Gary Cooper? The strong, silent type. That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See, what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings that they wouldn't be able to shut him up! And then it's dysfunction this, and dysfunction that, and dysfunction vaffancul!

He has meticulously plotted a career designed to keep him on top by avoiding the riskiest fights and selecting opponents who have a strong partisan fanbase which pump up his ratings. Huge marketing and promotion pumped into his fights and an audience that loves to buy into the kind of "pound for pound" stuff that gets thrown around.

His time on top has also coincided with a pretty weak generl era of boxing. Hardly any of the divisions above his have had much going for them in terms of star power with quality thin on the ground. A totally dead heavyweight division for a decade or more now.

Quite an acheivement that he was able to pull it all off with a style which generally leaves the wider public why they bothered staying up/paid $75 for his latest fight. But its come at the expense of the aspects I value in boxing such as entertainment in the ring and fightest the toughest contenders. Its a shame the tv networks have ploughed so much time, money and effort into keeping the Mayweather gravy train afloat instead of investing it into the wider sport.

He will keep the interest and drawing power until he retires now and he's not got long left to go.

I must admit his style doesn't match his PPV numbers but he is undoubtedly the most skilled of his generation and the intrigue of him keeping his '0' sells.

Although he hasn't always fought the best, the majority of todays stars do the exact same thing albeit he is of a higher profile.

The Canelo fight was huge and rightfully so. Canelo only had himself to blame for not being more competitive and will always regret his tactics that night.

He has also fought dangerous opponents at most stages of his career but there are a few easy picks along the way which you won't find many who haven't done the same.

Grossly inflated record and ability though.

I couldn't say inflated ability - but record when you look at his record, you do make sense in some corners Catchweight. There has been names missed off at certain times when he should realistically have fought them.

Grossly inflated ability...

Give us some names who had more ability..Before making stupid statements...

Grossly inflated ability

Can't name anyone because you're clueless

Maidana was WBA eelt champ....Only Floyd could beat a world champ and be battered for it..

You have to laugh...

Great record....Better than Pernell's who is Top 15 on many lists..

But then again ........Who gives a F**k.....Stay ignorant

Grossly inflated ability

Valero's Conscience wrote:He will keep the interest and drawing power until he retires now and he's not got long left to go.

I must admit his style doesn't match his PPV numbers but he is undoubtedly the most skilled of his generation and the intrigue of him keeping his '0' sells.

Although he hasn't always fought the best, the majority of todays stars do the exact same thing albeit he is of a higher profile.

The Canelo fight was huge and rightfully so.  Canelo only had himself to blame for not being more competitive and will always regret his tactics that night.

He has also fought dangerous opponents at most stages of his career but there are a few easy picks along the way which you won't find many who haven't done the same.

kind of see it as I see it.... Except the names he has beat are top ones..

Can't have fighters in a Top 10 on longevity and ignore this guy.

HBO means standard cable right?

Would bank on Canelo pulling in the bigger numbers in that case, huge Mexican following and not the $60 or whatever crazy sum the Yanks have to pay for PPV.

No it will HBO ppv for the May date, with Alvarez v Cotto the fight most likely to happen. This would put them in direct competition with Showtime who have Mayweather scheduled on that date.

If the Alvarez v Cotto fight is made, it might top any opponent Mayweather could produce bar Pacquiao so it would be interesting to see if Showtime either concede the date or put pressure on Mayweather to deliver.

Golden Boy and Alvarez have directly targetted the two traditional Mayweather dates in May and September which coincide with the Mexican independence holidays.

Mayweather isn't actually as big of a draw as he likes to claim. He rode a wave for a while based on the success of the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and the hype around hum fighting Pacquiao, but in each of those cases it was another name that really got people excited. Whenever he's in with a fighter without a huge fan base his numbers have struggled somewhat, which is unsurprising given his rather odious attitude and boring 'money' persona.

Him and Manny are huge draws, anyone who gets 1m is huge. PPV is different from the old days with illegal streams etc so numbers are less.

Cotto vs Martinez had two big draws with one being possibly the 3rd biggest in boxing and they did less than 400k.

It's stupid for Showtime and HBO to go against each other as both will suffer. A co-event would be huge but won't happen. Could you you imagine Cotto vs Canelo and Floyd vs ? with say Garcia vs Mattyhsse 2 and Broner on the undercard! It would be huge and give the fans something back but I know I'm dreaming!

He's still the biggest draw in boxing and his struggling numbers would be brilliant numbers for anyone aside from himself and Pacquiao.

Valero's Conscience wrote:Him and Manny are huge draws, anyone who gets 1m is huge.  PPV is different from the old days with illegal streams etc so numbers are less.

Cotto vs Martinez had two big draws with one being possibly the 3rd biggest in boxing and they did less than 400k.

It's stupid for Showtime and HBO to go against each other as both will suffer.  A co-event would be huge but won't happen.  Could you you imagine Cotto vs Canelo and Floyd vs ? with say Garcia vs Mattyhsse 2 and Broner on the undercard!  It would be huge and give the fans something back but I know I'm dreaming!

Remains to be seen if the two networks will go to war for the dates. They are the two most lucrative dates on the boxing calender in recent years. It could work out well for the fans, as it puts pressure on the promoters and networks to deliver 5 star fights. Statement of intent from Golden Boy and Alvarez though. How will Showtime and Mayweather respond?

It only makes sense to fight on those dates if a Mexican fighter is involved, Showtime will most probably move the fight knowing they're going to lose a fair chunk of their viewership.

This is the boxing equivalent of two trucks playing chicken. Whatever day of the year, Mayweather will outstrip Álvarez, but, and I suspect this is what HBO realise. Mayweather needs to hover around a million buys for ShoSports to make any worthwhile money. Álvarez will eat up a couple hundred thousand buys. If this does infant happen, Showtime will blink first. They have no choice.

Weird ploy from Oscar though, he still has fighters on Show. You'd think he'd try play both sides. This smacks of picking one.. Maybe with Haymon hovering around his Sho fighters, and Arum surely being reasonably close to deaths door, he senses a gap for an alpha promoter for HBO?

With the right opponent, I think Alvarez could surpass Mayweather. Alvarez v Cotto/Chavez for instance on Mexican independence day might only be second to Mayweather v Pacquiao. Mayweather has almost exclusively only fought on those two dates since beating de la Hoya. It will be interesting to see how it they respond as it looks like Alvarez v Cotto is pretty close to being a done deal behind the scenes. I cant imagine Mayweathers ego would like being shoved off his primetime spot.

Floyd fighting in uk against khan might happen, 800k+ ppv in uk and 500k us plus a 80k stadium filled

The numbers wouldn't add up, only Ricky Hatton could get numbers like that in the middle of the night, with the price of PPV over here even if they did 800k it would be the equivalent of 750k overall.

80k stadium aswell though rather than 16k it won't be as much but it won't be far off

If the fight had to be at 2am, minimum, then there's no way a UK stadium fight would happen.

For it to happen, they might get away with 11pm, maybe, but if they did that would haemorrage US ppv sales.

Plus there's no way Khan could sell that well, not even with the PBF kicker.

I dont think Mayweather will want to leave his home comforts at this stage of his career. I would think he would rather just move the date than travel to the UK.