Benetton Treviso v Glasgow Warriors, 5 October

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Benetton Treviso v Glasgow Warriors
Sunday 5 October 2014
KO 15:00
Stadio Monigo

Referee: Gary Conway (IRFU, 3rd competition game)
Assistant Referees: Claudio Blessano, Andrea Spadoni (both FIR)
Citing Commissioner: Stefan Marrama (FIR)
TMO: Stefano Penne (FIR)

A. Teams:

Benetton Treviso

15 Jayden Hayward
14 Angelo Esposit
13 Michele Campagnaro
12 Luca Morisi
11 Ludovico Nitoglia
10 Joe Carlisle
9 Edoardo Gori

8 Mat Luamanu
7 Marco Lazzaroni
6 Simone Favaro
5 Marco Fuser
4 Antonio Pavanello (captain)
3 Rupert Harden
2 Davide Giazzon
1 Matteo Muccignat

Replacements:
16 Giovanni Maistri
17 Matteo Zanusso
18 Romulo Acosta
19 Francesco Minto
20 Leo Auva'a
21 Marco Barbini
22 Sam Christie
23 Alberto Lucchese

Glasgow Warriors
 
15. Stuart Hogg
14. Tommy Seymour
13. Sean Lamont
12. Peter Horne
11. DTH van der Merwe
10. Duncan Weir
9. Niko Matawalu

1. Alex Allan
2. Pat MacArthur
3. Rossouw de Klerk
4. Tom Ryder
5. Al Kellock (Captain)
6. James Eddie
7. Tyrone Holmes
8. Josh Strauss

Replacements
16. Fraser Brown
17. Jerry Yanuyanutawa
18. Zander Fagerson
19. Leone Nakarawa
20. Chris Fusaro
21. Ali Price
22. Finn Russell
23. James Downey

B. Form - head to head:

8 Played 8
2 Wins 6
6 Losses 2
0 Draws 0
8 Tries 21
7 Conversions 17
15 Penalties 20
2 Drop Goals 0
105 Points 199
25 Avg. Age 26

C. Form - last season:

Friday 4 April 2014
Glasgow Warriors 29 - 10 Benetton Treviso
Scotstoun Stadium

Fri 2 May 2014
Benetton Treviso 16 - 38 Glasgow Warriors
Stadio Monigo

Cracking game. Congatulations for Treviso for making it so - they tried to win not to keep the score down. Great work from Glasgow to come back from 10 nil down and to hold on at the end with 13.

Rugby is an entertainment business and that was entertaining. the most entertaining game of the weekend for me that I watched.

Treviso look much improved and how come they look like a team with heart despite getting beaten all the time when Edinburgh are the opposite?

Are Edinburgh the worst team in the league?

I think we will get a better idea of where sides are when similar quality sides play each other. To be fair to Edinburgh, they were never likely to beat Ospreys or Ulster. They have looked much better against teams nearer there level, ie Connacht or Scarlet. We will see who is the worst team in the league at the end of the season and I don't think it will be Edinburgh.

It does seem though that there is still a big drop off between the top teams in the league and the rest. That makes the odd good result against them, ie by Edinburgh v Munster or Zebre v Ulster all the more impressive. These will be the results that decide the league at the end of the day, along with the bonus points. Happily Glasgow seemed to have rediscovered how to get them, even when not playing particularly well like today!

Edinburgh might not have been expected to win, however, with the investment from the SRU you would expect them to perform MUCH better, at least not be nilled.

Glasgow were nowhere near full strength, didn't play well for large parts, had only 13 for best part of 10 minutes and still Scored 6 tries. Treviso are awful at the moment.

BigGee wrote:I think we will get a better idea of where sides are when similar quality sides play each other. To be fair to Edinburgh, they were never likely to beat Ospreys or Ulster. They have looked much better against teams nearer there level, ie Connacht or Scarlet. We will see who is the worst team in the league at the end of the season and I don't think it will be Edinburgh.

It does seem though that there is still a big drop off between the top teams in the league and the rest. That makes the odd good result against them, ie by Edinburgh v Munster or Zebre v Ulster all the more impressive. These will be the results that decide the league at the end of the day, along with the bonus points. Happily Glasgow seemed to have rediscovered how to get them, even when not playing particularly well like today!

Edinburgh are the worst team in the league by some distance imho, and that's from a ST holder. Why? Well we have no game plan for the backs apart from kick it back to the opposition. Despite having some talent there we have the lowest points for in the league and we don't actually have a backs coach!

I've been a Solomons supporter, but now is time for him and his other coaches to go.

Edinburgh are definitely the worst performing team in the league currently, but even in our darkest our I don't think we'll come bottom.

Absolutely no way we'll get top 6 though.

RDW, 60 points for in 5 games, we lost more than that in one game. We need to allow the backs to play, but that ain't gonna happen while Solomons is around. He thinks of them as tackle bots, much as he did with the Kings, who managed to win 3 matches in an SR season, coincidentally with Strauss at 12.

justified sinner wrote:

BigGee wrote:I think we will get a better idea of where sides are when similar quality sides play each other. To be fair to Edinburgh, they were never likely to beat Ospreys or Ulster. They have looked much better against teams nearer there level, ie Connacht or Scarlet. We will see who is the worst team in the league at the end of the season and I don't think it will be Edinburgh.

It does seem though that there is still a big drop off between the top teams in the league and the rest. That makes the odd good result against them, ie by Edinburgh v Munster or Zebre v Ulster all the more impressive. These will be the results that decide the league at the end of the day, along with the bonus points. Happily Glasgow seemed to have rediscovered how to get them, even when not playing particularly well like today!

Edinburgh are the worst team in the league by some distance imho, and that's from a ST holder. Why? Well we have no game plan for the backs apart from kick it back to the opposition. Despite having some talent there we have the lowest points for in the league and we don't actually have a backs coach!

I've been a Solomons supporter, but now is time for him and his other coaches to go.

It would be madness to get rid of them now. You would just be committing yourselves to another two years of mediocrity with no guarantee of any success at the end of it. It is the inconsistency is that is so maddening, against Munster and in pre season they showed what they are capable of, How many of the lower ranked teams are going to win at Munster this year, not many I can assure you and yet the confidence has just evaporated away with the first few games.

One thing in Edinburgh's favour is that they are not going to be to troubled by international call ups at the moment, so should suffer no major disruptions in that time and may also managed to find some confidence playing weaker sides. They are clearly not ready to play in the full European cup either, so again may find their level in the second tier.

The conversation about the coaches future is one to be had the other side of Christmas not now. If things don't turn around then they will go but for now they need the chance and the support to improve things.

justified sinner wrote:RDW, 60 points for in 5 games, we lost more than that in one game. We need to allow the backs to play, but that ain't gonna happen while Solomons is around. He thinks of them as tackle bots, much as he did with the Kings, who managed to win 3 matches in an SR season, coincidentally with Strauss at 12.

Worst attack in the league, i'm really starting to believe that Solomons tactics are totally outdated in today's game.

BigGee wrote:

justified sinner wrote:

BigGee wrote:I think we will get a better idea of where sides are when similar quality sides play each other. To be fair to Edinburgh, they were never likely to beat Ospreys or Ulster. They have looked much better against teams nearer there level, ie Connacht or Scarlet. We will see who is the worst team in the league at the end of the season and I don't think it will be Edinburgh.

It does seem though that there is still a big drop off between the top teams in the league and the rest. That makes the odd good result against them, ie by Edinburgh v Munster or Zebre v Ulster all the more impressive. These will be the results that decide the league at the end of the day, along with the bonus points. Happily Glasgow seemed to have rediscovered how to get them, even when not playing particularly well like today!

Edinburgh are the worst team in the league by some distance imho, and that's from a ST holder. Why? Well we have no game plan for the backs apart from kick it back to the opposition. Despite having some talent there we have the lowest points for in the league and we don't actually have a backs coach!

I've been a Solomons supporter, but now is time for him and his other coaches to go.

It would be madness to get rid of them now. You would just be committing yourselves to another two years of mediocrity with no guarantee of any success at the end of it. It is the inconsistency is that is so maddening, against Munster and in pre season they showed what they are capable of, How many of the lower ranked teams are going to win at Munster this year, not many I can assure you and yet the confidence has just evaporated away with the first few games.

One thing in Edinburgh's favour is that they are not going to be to troubled by international call ups at the moment, so should suffer no major disruptions in that time and may also managed to find some confidence playing weaker sides. They are clearly not ready to play in the full European cup either, so again may find their level in the second tier.

The conversation about the coaches future is one to be had the other side of Christmas not now. If things don't turn around then they will go but for now they need the chance and the support to improve things.

I disagree, you will not be surprised to hear. As long as we keep trying to play sterile 10 man rugby we will be useless and more importantly will add nothing to the Scottish national team.

VinceWLB wrote:

justified sinner wrote:RDW, 60 points for in 5 games, we lost more than that in one game. We need to allow the backs to play, but that ain't gonna happen while Solomons is around. He thinks of them as tackle bots, much as he did with the Kings, who managed to win 3 matches in an SR season, coincidentally with Strauss at 12.

Worst attack in the league, i'm really starting to believe that Solomons tactics are totally outdated in today's game.

I've said this before, but he's trying to play the same way that won the Boks the 2007 WC, now if we had Matfield and Burger at their prime we might be winning matches too, as it is we don't.

Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:Glasgow were nowhere near full strength, didn't play well for large parts, had only 13 for best part of 10 minutes and still Scored 6 tries.   Treviso are awful at the moment.

Treviso are not awful by any means. They played with heart, tested Glasgow and scored against them. Edinburgh are a simple shambles - Treviso are a weak team - the difference is in attitude and leadership. treviso play like they can win any game, Edinburgh play like they know they are going to lose.

TJ wrote:

Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:Glasgow were nowhere near full strength, didn't play well for large parts, had only 13 for best part of 10 minutes and still Scored 6 tries.   Treviso are awful at the moment.

Treviso are not awful by any means.  They played with heart, tested Glasgow and scored against them.  Edinburgh are a simple shambles - Treviso are a weak team - the difference is in attitude and leadership.  treviso play like they can win any game, Edinburgh play like they know they are going to lose.

To be fair Treviso did play with a bit of spirit today but they still got thrashed. Glasgow gave them 10 points straight off and then beat them easily despite an error ridden performance and never really getting out of third gear. Treviso have taken a few hammerings already this season and some of their supporters were walking out after Glasgow's 6th Try. You are judging them by today's performance, which despite getting hammered was probably one of their better ones. I would say that despite everything, Edinburgh almost certainly have more to take away from this season so far than Treviso.

I think the game against the Dragons next week will tell us an awful lot. Two teams that are struggling, lets see who has the spirit to try and make something of their season. If they don't turn up next week then I really would be worried. At the moment Edinburgh should not be comparing themselves with Ulster, Glasgow and Ospreys. They need to find their level, then seek to improve upon it.

Was delighted with this. We'll know where we are in real terms against Ulster this week, but we've given everyone a hit out and everybody without exception has delivered, which is the key thing for this team. And for young Fagerson to come on and win a scrum penalty with a 6 man scrum and a centre pushing behind him makes me very proud indeed.