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Season 7 Homepage IV
First topic message reminder :
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
POS | Aviva Premiership | PLAYED | WON | DREW | LOST | P F | P A | P D | T F | T A | TBP | LBP | POINTS | |
1 | Northampton Saints | 9 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 255 | 216 | 39 | 28 | 19 | 5 | 1 | 38 | |
2 | Sale Sharks * | 9 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 253 | 227 | 26 | 29 | 21 | 3 | 2 | 32 | |
3 | Harlequins * | 9 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 254 | 230 | 24 | 27 | 22 | 2 | 2 | 27 | |
4 | Bath Rugby * | 9 | 5 | 1 | 3 | 242 | 227 | 15 | 25 | 23 | 1 | 3 | 24 | |
5 | London Wasps * | 9 | 5 | 1 | 3 | 241 | 236 | 5 | 24 | 25 | 1 | 2 | 24 | |
6 | Leicester Tigers | 9 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 215 | 215 | 0 | 18 | 19 | 0 | 4 | 24 | |
7 | Exeter Chiefs * | 9 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 220 | 224 | -4 | 19 | 20 | 0 | 2 | 21 | |
8 | Saracens | 9 | 3 | 1 | 5 | 216 | 233 | -17 | 20 | 20 | 0 | 5 | 19 | |
9 | Gloucester | 9 | 3 | 0 | 6 | 226 | 233 | -7 | 20 | 21 | 0 | 5 | 17 | |
10 | London Welsh | 9 | 3 | 0 | 6 | 215 | 234 | -19 | 19 | 24 | 0 | 4 | 16 | |
11 | Newcastle Falcons * | 9 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 207 | 241 | -34 | 17 | 22 | 0 | 6 | 11 | |
12 | London Irish | 9 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 215 | 247 | -30 | 19 | 25 | 0 | 6 | 10 |
Links
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Fixture List
Released/Championship/National League/Academy Bidding
Foreign Transfers
Budgets
European Homepage
Anglo Welsh Homepage
Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.
Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1992.
Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:
- Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.- Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on its own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.- Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
Open Window
Open transfer window, teams have unlimited bids provided they have the financial resources to cover them. Teams may only bid for one player at a time.
The window will open from the 9th of June but only to those sides that finish 8th and below at first. They will have a week to make one signing each before the window is open to all.
Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation
Compensation will be paid as follows
£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other
All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 15:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.
Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box.
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.
In addition, each team must have the following:-
For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.
For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.
At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.
All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).
Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.
If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.
Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.
Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.
Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.
£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.
AP finishing positions.
Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m
Heineken Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million
Amlin Challenge Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million
Anglo-Welsh Cup
Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million
If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:Rumours we're going to see:
10. Ford
12. Twelvetrees
See how i posted this yesterday
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Sam Burguss to play on Friday
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Ford reckons he might make the bench, could be interesting
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may have to watch that game then to see how he does, any further news on if it's flanker or centre?
Wales are down to the bare bones at loosehead this weekend, interesting to see who Gatland names with Jenkins, Smith and James all out.
Wales are down to the bare bones at loosehead this weekend, interesting to see who Gatland names with Jenkins, Smith and James all out.
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Ford has suggested bsckrow every time questioned on it, depends where they need him I guess.
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Looks like Lambie is Meyers first choice 10.
http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/Springboks/Lambie-Boks-No-1-pivot-20141126
http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/Springboks/Lambie-Boks-No-1-pivot-20141126
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:Looks like Lambie is Meyers first choice 10.
http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/Springboks/Lambie-Boks-No-1-pivot-20141126
The article asks is he first choice lol shameless bigging up. Even the title has a ? In it.
My view is pollard needs to work on his tactical kicking due to his lack of
Experience. Another s15 and this part of his game should be immaculate. He kicks well but it's learning when to kick that is the key. Showed when he ripped nz apart how good he is but still not finished article.
Lambie is unspectacular but a very steady option and could well be number 1. We will see by next year with meyer publicly stating that he is using these autumn games to experiment and give certain players game time to see how they fair.
SA have some great options.
Burgess will play both 6 and centre during his introductionary period according to ford. It's In today's evening post. I am sure the article will be online. Apparently burgess been exceptional in training hence the fast tracking
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I'v heard it's the Bath players who are asking Ford to play him as they think he could take them up a level.
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With Lambie starting the last 3 tests on tour and Pollard dropped after a poor showing, it's obvious he's first choice.
http://www.bdlive.co.za/sport/rugby/2014/11/26/solid-lambie-in-driving-seat-for-world-cup-spot
"Three matches into the northern hemisphere tour and it is clear that Pat Lambie has now emerged as the first-choice Springbok flyhalf over rival Handré Pollard."
Lambie has the all round package and is in great form. Pollard runs well but has iffy distribution and kicking from hand. I don't think that's in question........Lambie is first choice.
http://www.bdlive.co.za/sport/rugby/2014/11/26/solid-lambie-in-driving-seat-for-world-cup-spot
"Three matches into the northern hemisphere tour and it is clear that Pat Lambie has now emerged as the first-choice Springbok flyhalf over rival Handré Pollard."
Lambie has the all round package and is in great form. Pollard runs well but has iffy distribution and kicking from hand. I don't think that's in question........Lambie is first choice.
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"The plan is to play him a couple of times off the bench as a 12, then the next couple of games bring him on at six - and just see how he develops," Ford told the Daily Mirror. "We might as well bite the bullet and put him in, that's my thought process.
Read more at http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2014-15/rugby/story/249151.html#XK5iS7ztuSX6gl1X.99
Read more at http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2014-15/rugby/story/249151.html#XK5iS7ztuSX6gl1X.99
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Can't wait to see Burgess play now, have tickets for the game on Friday too - going to take him a little while to adjust though!
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anonmattyt wrote:Tom croft back. England and Leicester need him back
England don't need Croft, he's a luxury
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Not really sure Pollard's distribution can be questioned...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFJpwvId2sM
Other bits of his game need work, but of course George Ford will be far better in the long run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFJpwvId2sM
Other bits of his game need work, but of course George Ford will be far better in the long run
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His distribution is inconsistent, like his kicking from hand. The only thing he does well is take it to the line, the rest needs work. He's young still, he'll get there.
Ford is a much better player currently.
Ford is a much better player currently.
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Can't see ford ripping the all blacks to shredsSgt_Pooly wrote:His distribution is inconsistent, like his kicking from hand. The only thing he does well is take it to the line, the rest needs work. He's young still, he'll get there.
Ford is a much better player currently.
A la pollard
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Yea it was all Pollard.
He hardly ripped them to shreds.
He hardly ripped them to shreds.
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It's starting to get like a record on repeat..
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Haha...I know, it's intense. Only opinions on players though I suppose, at least there's no personal stuff.
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Not sure if this was posted before but some pretty accurate points
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/11245270/The-eight-simple-things-England-can-do-to-improve-performance-levels-in-run-up-to-2015-Rugby-World-Cup.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/11245270/The-eight-simple-things-England-can-do-to-improve-performance-levels-in-run-up-to-2015-Rugby-World-Cup.html
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anonmattyt wrote:Not sure if this was posted before but some pretty accurate points
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/11245270/The-eight-simple-things-England-can-do-to-improve-performance-levels-in-run-up-to-2015-Rugby-World-Cup.html
Pick an inspiring and creative back line?
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Fluxy wrote:anonmattyt wrote:Not sure if this was posted before but some pretty accurate points
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/11245270/The-eight-simple-things-England-can-do-to-improve-performance-levels-in-run-up-to-2015-Rugby-World-Cup.html
Pick an inspiring and creative back line?
Sack Lancaster and replace with Jake white as I have been banging on about since lancaster was appointed would be my number 1 Fluxy!!!
Almost hope we lost saturday. Almost! Off to the game so beer always tastes better after a win
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Daly banned for 3 weeks for abusing ref
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If I'm honest I don't have a clue, guessing Jenkins may be fit in which case it'll be: Jenkins-Baldwin-Lee with Rhodri Jones and another on the bench.
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Daly was stupid with that - but have to say it was by far the worst reffing performance I think I have ever seen and that includes JP Doyle games! The ref really shouldn't be allowed to officiate at top level for a while. Good to see him banned though as you can't go down the route of football players.
Beginning to agree on the Lancaster front, don't think he's the right guy to take us forward. He did a cracking job developing the team after it was in a shambles and putting the team spirt together, but we need someone to take us forward, or experienced coaches to support him more. Rowntree only decent one for me.
Beginning to agree on the Lancaster front, don't think he's the right guy to take us forward. He did a cracking job developing the team after it was in a shambles and putting the team spirt together, but we need someone to take us forward, or experienced coaches to support him more. Rowntree only decent one for me.
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prop_lyd wrote:If I'm honest I don't have a clue, guessing Jenkins may be fit in which case it'll be: Jenkins-Baldwin-Lee with Rhodri Jones and another on the bench.
Luckily for Wales the SA front row isn't great either
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See Fourie has retired from International rugby, fantastic player in his prime.
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Lad i know has just been signed by Queensland Reds , Played for Hartlepool Rovers and got picked up by Natal Sharks on a oversees camp. Just signed pro terms with them for the 2015/16 Super Rugby Season.
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15 Gavin Henson
14 Semesa Rokoduguni
13 Jonathan Joseph
12 Kyle Eastmond
11 Matt Banahan
10 Ollie Devoto
9 Chris Cook
1 Nick Auterac
2 Ross Batty
3 Henry Thomas
4 Stuart Hooper (c)
5 Dominic Day
6 Matt Garvey
7 David Sisi
8 Leroy Houston
Replacements
16 Tom Dunn
17 Paul James
18 Kane Palma-Newport
19 Charlie Ewels
20 Carl Fearns
21 Peter Stringer
22 Sam Burgess
23 Horacio Agulla
14 Semesa Rokoduguni
13 Jonathan Joseph
12 Kyle Eastmond
11 Matt Banahan
10 Ollie Devoto
9 Chris Cook
1 Nick Auterac
2 Ross Batty
3 Henry Thomas
4 Stuart Hooper (c)
5 Dominic Day
6 Matt Garvey
7 David Sisi
8 Leroy Houston
Replacements
16 Tom Dunn
17 Paul James
18 Kane Palma-Newport
19 Charlie Ewels
20 Carl Fearns
21 Peter Stringer
22 Sam Burgess
23 Horacio Agulla
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Shame Joseph is playing for Bath, think he'd be better suited to being on the bench for us this weekend instead of Yarde, as need something to spark our midfield as pretty much means Barritt on for 80mins and no chance of chasing a game that way!
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Hopefully we won't need to chase it, such an odd choice sticking with Barritt at 13.
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I think we should just scrum the life out of the c**ts
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It's hard to base a game around that, especially against Aus who are the masters of competing despite having a turd set piece.
We've got to use it to our advantage but we've got to be savvy and play off it rather than hoping we'll win getting pens. It's going to be a really tense game, we've got to win.
We've got to use it to our advantage but we've got to be savvy and play off it rather than hoping we'll win getting pens. It's going to be a really tense game, we've got to win.
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Trouble is our set piece has been better than all the teams we've played against so far this Autumn, but we don't do anything about it.
Aussie have a new defensive system where they defend narrow and stop attacks in the midfield, I can't see Twelvetrees and Barritt being dynamic enough to get the ball wide, but Ford's kicking game is where we could win, as Aussies leave so much space and often drop their no10 back to defend, so as long as we kick it to him instead of Foloa we should be ok!
Twelvetrees will have to do a big job on Toomua though, as thought he's been best Aussie back this AI series. You'd hope our front five will dominate, but we our backline just doesn't balance out for me and none of our back replacements can really speed up the tempo if we need to - no impact there.
Aussie have a new defensive system where they defend narrow and stop attacks in the midfield, I can't see Twelvetrees and Barritt being dynamic enough to get the ball wide, but Ford's kicking game is where we could win, as Aussies leave so much space and often drop their no10 back to defend, so as long as we kick it to him instead of Foloa we should be ok!
Twelvetrees will have to do a big job on Toomua though, as thought he's been best Aussie back this AI series. You'd hope our front five will dominate, but we our backline just doesn't balance out for me and none of our back replacements can really speed up the tempo if we need to - no impact there.
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I don't rate Toomua particularly high, he's certainly not been their best back imo. Twelvetrees can cause him issues if he turns up.
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Aussies can be got at in defence. They quite smartly hide foley who is game but a pretty poor defender and use Folau and other people like kurindrani to fill that hole.
The reason they are able to do
This is they have so many play makers like folau and toomua so when the opposition attack breaks down they have someone to step in to that ten position and orchestrate the attack. It allows for fluidity and flexibility and for them to play there wide game. Their was a good dissemination of it in some of those articles I posted.
Not really surprised by pooly not rating him to be fair. He is acknowledged as one of the best 12s in world rugby. He takes a heap of pressure of ten with his kicking, distributes superbly and is a great defender
Aussies produce smart backs who can play multiple positions.
Think Cheika will make them a good side. They need a few forwards but that backline is as good as any. Foley and Phipps are
Making them tick and you have pace, power and creativity in the other positions. A great blend
The reason they are able to do
This is they have so many play makers like folau and toomua so when the opposition attack breaks down they have someone to step in to that ten position and orchestrate the attack. It allows for fluidity and flexibility and for them to play there wide game. Their was a good dissemination of it in some of those articles I posted.
Not really surprised by pooly not rating him to be fair. He is acknowledged as one of the best 12s in world rugby. He takes a heap of pressure of ten with his kicking, distributes superbly and is a great defender
Aussies produce smart backs who can play multiple positions.
Think Cheika will make them a good side. They need a few forwards but that backline is as good as any. Foley and Phipps are
Making them tick and you have pace, power and creativity in the other positions. A great blend
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Who acknowledges him as one of the best 12's in rugby bar you and Chris (possibly Steve also).
He's s decent player but hardly world class, nothing about him is world class.
Is he one of the top 3 12's?
Nonu, Fofana, JDV,,Roberts, Giteau. Is he even better than Fran Steyn? Imo.....no. That's without even including my players.
He's s decent player but hardly world class, nothing about him is world class.
Is he one of the top 3 12's?
Nonu, Fofana, JDV,,Roberts, Giteau. Is he even better than Fran Steyn? Imo.....no. That's without even including my players.
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JDV fofana nonu toomua - JDV best in world for me after that they all suit their teams really well.
Historically nz had a play making 12 so could see toomua fitting well for them.
When did you start rating Roberts ? When I had him he was poor.
To be fair your choice of centre depends on how you want to play the game.
There are lots of good 12s in the world who you have listed. Toomua for me would be in that list.
With the emergence of Kurindrani as a great option at 13. Having a play making 12 suits Australia. For me can't think of a better footballing 12 than toomua save for maybe giteau.
He is similar to berrick barnes but a lot more physical. Barnes was also a top 12.
Read a brilliant article about the trend emerging for big powerful 13s. The argument is that the space is so well defended in close that the place to break the gainline is 13.
Article was saying the tuilagi Kurindrani Type will become the new trend as 13 is hard to defend and that's where all the space is.
Wish every 12 on
Your list was english
Historically nz had a play making 12 so could see toomua fitting well for them.
When did you start rating Roberts ? When I had him he was poor.
To be fair your choice of centre depends on how you want to play the game.
There are lots of good 12s in the world who you have listed. Toomua for me would be in that list.
With the emergence of Kurindrani as a great option at 13. Having a play making 12 suits Australia. For me can't think of a better footballing 12 than toomua save for maybe giteau.
He is similar to berrick barnes but a lot more physical. Barnes was also a top 12.
Read a brilliant article about the trend emerging for big powerful 13s. The argument is that the space is so well defended in close that the place to break the gainline is 13.
Article was saying the tuilagi Kurindrani Type will become the new trend as 13 is hard to defend and that's where all the space is.
Wish every 12 on
Your list was english
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Aus need a playmaking 12 as Kurindraini has very little in terms of ball playing, he's a bosh merchant.
World class is best 3 in position, it gets pointless after that. Tommau isn't top 5, he's certainly not better than Giteau who's had a great year or two, or Steyn imo.
World class is best 3 in position, it gets pointless after that. Tommau isn't top 5, he's certainly not better than Giteau who's had a great year or two, or Steyn imo.
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I would say he is one of top 5 and vying for top 3.
For me Its JDV and then take your pick.
Kurindrani has some lovely offloads. Adding it to his game. He is not going to be a distributing 13. They don't exist. You want 13 breaking the outside line. Most 13s are runners. Conrad smith is the cleverest 13 I have ever seen him and bod were ball playing 13s a rare thing.
Most 13s are runners. The main pass they ever make is to a winger so distribution not important. . Look at fekitoa he is a pure runner and not a passer which is why he struggles at 12. Hard to play both positions. Tuilagi same, Rougerie, serfontein,
For me Its JDV and then take your pick.
Kurindrani has some lovely offloads. Adding it to his game. He is not going to be a distributing 13. They don't exist. You want 13 breaking the outside line. Most 13s are runners. Conrad smith is the cleverest 13 I have ever seen him and bod were ball playing 13s a rare thing.
Most 13s are runners. The main pass they ever make is to a winger so distribution not important. . Look at fekitoa he is a pure runner and not a passer which is why he struggles at 12. Hard to play both positions. Tuilagi same, Rougerie, serfontein,
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Should be quite a weird atmosphere at twickenham with the minutes silence for Phil Hughes.
Cricket is the national sport and lots of the new South wales lads were friends with him.
Really tragic
Cricket is the national sport and lots of the new South wales lads were friends with him.
Really tragic
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To be fair there is the case for elusive 13 being as effective as a bigger 13; Payne, Henshaw, C Smith, AAC, Bennett, JD2, Mermoz, Joseph and Cave have all shown that size isn't necessarily always the most effective way to go recently.
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This somos up the england 12 debate
The answer is there is that no one is right for the job.
Twelvetrees walk about moments encapsulates it perfectly.
Has it all potentially but just can't knit it together.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/11257392/England-v-Australia-Billy-Twelvetrees-a-decent-fit-for-inside-centre-berth-if-he-can-cure-walkabout-moments.html
The points re eastmond are correct you have to be able to kick at 12 as other wise your ten becomes susceptible to charge downs. For me Burrell potentially best option.
On radio today Kevin Sinfield was saying how in RL Burgess was regarded as better than SBW and seen as best in the world. He also said Burgess has a huge kick and is very good out of hand but does not kick in RL.
Hope he can kick a ball!!
Is the bath game televised tomorrow ?
The answer is there is that no one is right for the job.
Twelvetrees walk about moments encapsulates it perfectly.
Has it all potentially but just can't knit it together.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/11257392/England-v-Australia-Billy-Twelvetrees-a-decent-fit-for-inside-centre-berth-if-he-can-cure-walkabout-moments.html
The points re eastmond are correct you have to be able to kick at 12 as other wise your ten becomes susceptible to charge downs. For me Burrell potentially best option.
On radio today Kevin Sinfield was saying how in RL Burgess was regarded as better than SBW and seen as best in the world. He also said Burgess has a huge kick and is very good out of hand but does not kick in RL.
Hope he can kick a ball!!
Is the bath game televised tomorrow ?
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He may be regarded as a better RL player but this is union and Burgess has never played. It took SBW 3 years to become best 12 in world.
"Look at fekitoa he is a pure runner and not a passer which is why he struggles at 12."
Fekitoa was in the top 5 for offloads in the S15.
Bosh merchants at 13 won't become the new trend, it all depends how a side is set out. It limits your game having a non passing option like Kurindrani at 13 as the ball barely leaves his hands. He's certainly carried well though but lacks brains.
"Look at fekitoa he is a pure runner and not a passer which is why he struggles at 12."
Fekitoa was in the top 5 for offloads in the S15.
Bosh merchants at 13 won't become the new trend, it all depends how a side is set out. It limits your game having a non passing option like Kurindrani at 13 as the ball barely leaves his hands. He's certainly carried well though but lacks brains.
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Agree Fluxy add Juan de Jongh to that list although not fancied by Sa due to size. Mermoz more a 12Fluxy wrote:To be fair there is the case for elusive 13 being as effective as a bigger 13; Payne, Henshaw, C Smith, AAC, Bennett, JD2, Mermoz, Joseph and Cave have all shown that size isn't necessarily always the most effective way to go recently.
For me and quite a size.
The article was talking about an emerging trend and how it was bucking the trend of
The elusive 13. When I read the article
I tried to think of big 13s and could not think of many past basteraud kuridrani freuan tuilagi and a few Islanders . Historically you had mortlock, Bunce and not many more. It was saying about how coaches have identified the gains for a power player and how it is happening at youth level and later age groups and will come in to pro game. They are identifying players who could do the job.
I like bennet shame he got injured. Did not realise he was at Clermont as a lad as they identified his talent.
AAC always a powerful 13 but a balanced player also
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Offloads is not passes. Kurindrani was raw but now moreSgt_Pooly wrote:He may be regarded as a better RL player but this is union and Burgess has never played. It took SBW 3 years to become best 12 in world.
"Look at fekitoa he is a pure runner and not a passer which is why he struggles at 12."
Fekitoa was in the top 5 for offloads in the S15.
Bosh merchants at 13 won't become the new trend, it all depends how a side is set out. It limits your game having a non passing option like Kurindrani at 13 as the ball barely leaves his hands. He's certainly carried well though but lacks brains.
Developed and getting better and better. Not been playing rugby for long.
He has started offloading now he is comfortable and nailed on at 13. Did some
Beauties vs ba ba, wales and Ireland
I think fekitoa will be a world class 13. Never a 12 though he has struggled defensively there as he never plays there.
Think SBW fekitoa could be super exciting post wc
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Agree re the bedding in process for Burgess. Although he will be in at sharp end.
SBW was playing div 2 for Toulon to start I think?
SBW was playing div 2 for Toulon to start I think?
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