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Every time I've watched Djokovic play someone other than Nadal the crowd has supported his opponent.

Can anyone think of an occasion when this didn't happen (outside of Serbia)? What gives? Why is Djokovic so unpopular? I don't think people dislike him per se (contrast to Lendl), it seems rather that they don't care for him or his brand of tennis.

Personally I find him quite an affable guy. He does try a little too hard to crowd please but then who can blame him. It's not even like he's a dominant machine winning all and sundry. Apart from a few moths in 2011 he's always looked beatable.

So why does the Djoker bring such little joy to tennis fans?



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Jahu wrote:Socal, come on, Serbia is no swiss or uk, people are different there and Djoko behaves differently in nationalistic grounds compared to Fed/Murray.

Fed for tax purposes is resident of swiss, Andy of UK,  with time spent out of UK to minimize his tax bill, Djoko of Monaco.

Serbia changed the law and made special exception to not tax global income of sportsman, to have their sports people at least seem like they live in Serbia, did not work.

JJ is based in Dubai, Ana in Basel, even Goran at times when world was a better place, got same crap from Croats for his Monaco tax base.

Roger Federer is based in Dubai and is not resident of Switzerland for tax purposes. In fact european tennis players routinely live outside their countries not to pay taxes. Half the french team or more men's and women live in switzerland. Monaco has the most tennis players per capita in the world and Novak is one of them. I don't blame them frankly. Because an athlete is a bit different than typical rich person who makes a lot of money and will with time and brains will continue to grow his businesses and investments. Athletes and entertainers can make huge sums for short periods of time and therefore if all their income is taken they can often find themselves broke once the big checks start rolling in. But the morality is not about tax cheats. Djokovic is one in a hundred or more tennis players including beknighted sir Roger who does the same thing but you only single him out for special criticism.

Who cares if you are popular or not the guy makes tens of millions from sponsorship and endorsements and tens of millions from prize money and in Serbia and abroad he has a huge name and brand. No not comparable to Nadal, not comparable to Federer but more money than he ever even dreamed of.

Novak Djokovic earned $33.1 million, including $12.1 million in prize money, and ranks No. 3 among the best-paid. The world’s top-ranked player has been on an incredible roll since he elevated his game starting in 2011. He appeared in the finals of nine of the 12 Grand Slams (winning five) and pocketed $38 million in prize money between 2011 and 2013. Djokovic is the favorite at Flushing Meadow with Bovada’s pre-tournament odds at 11/8 he wins his second Open title. Djokovic’s endorsement profile has picked up in recent years and is starting to match his game. He signed lucrative deals with Peugot and Seiko this year. Djokovic also cashes in with $1 million a pop exhibition fees, as he is a popular draw for his spot-on impersonations of other players during these informal events.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2014/08/25/roger-federer-leads-2014-list-of-the-worlds-highest-paid-tennis-players/

He earned 9 million more dollars than Sharapova, about 3/4th money Nadal did and about 3/5th money of Federer. If he was unpopular I doubt he would be the 3rd most lucrative tennis player and ahead of Sharapova.

And if you look at just endorsements he is behind Federer, Nadal, and about even with Sharapova. And here is a difference players like Li Na and Kei are huge earners because they come from huge economies and large markets. Meanwhile of all the players listed on the top 10 earners in tennis Djokovic comes from the poorest and smallest. So being 3rd or 4th in endorsements from Serbia is not a bad accomplishment, especially when 1 and 2 are Federer and Nadal.

in yesterday's Times Magazine supplement, Djokovic has openly acknowledged that Federer is more popular than him and that it's tough knowing that any crowd supports the Old Man more than him.

i like the guy. he's got a sense of humor, plus he's been through a lot.

the Magazine interview states that he survived the war, saw bombs dropping etc... i take that with a large pinch of salt.

yes he lived through the Kosovan war and all that stuff, but his folks are pretty well off and generally, well off folks don't end up caught smack dab in the middle of a war zone.

but all said and done, he's seen more than his share of war and suffering than any other top 10 player and has come out well.

he also says that he will be getting Djokovic junior to all his matches. reminds me of Federer.

coolpixel wrote:in yesterday's Times Magazine supplement, Djokovic has openly acknowledged that Federer is more popular than him and that it's tough knowing that any crowd supports the Old Man more than him.

i like the guy. he's got a sense of humor, plus he's been through a lot.

the Magazine interview states that he survived the war, saw bombs dropping etc... i take that with a large pinch of salt.

yes he lived through the Kosovan war and all that stuff, but his folks are pretty well off and generally, well off folks don't end up caught smack dab in the middle of a war zone.

but all said and done, he's seen more than his share of war and suffering than any other top 10 player and has come out well.

he also says that he will be getting Djokovic junior to all his matches. reminds me of Federer.

Good post, I fully agree. That is a lot of the reason I like him and it corresponds with why he does actually have a broad appeal coming from a small and poor nation where he isn't going to get in many tournaments and many audiences much travelling support like Li Na or kei.

Socal, no one is saying they should not minimize their taxes, dont derail the talk.

All i said is that he is critisized for it, compared to Fed or Andy, who their respective compatriots dont care much about their taxes, though some English will take a stab on Andy on taxes purely on anti-scotish sentiment.

Just understand that players from smaller poorer countries will get this bashing, as those players themselvs like to trumpet nationalistic crap.

Djoko and war is total crap, Serbia was not in a war, their military installation and state TV was bombed, a few bridges too, some civilians died.

He likes to play this victim card, while his dad was rich, close to Milosevic and was making good money on arms dealing.

Marin Cilic and Dodig had it worst on the Bosian war then Djoko, and you dont hear them mention it often, but lets not get into war propaganda.

In the end as someone said, Djoko came late to the party as tennis fans were already split between Fed and Nadal, he has behaves a few times unfair or quiting matches for no reason etc etc.

He has made lots of money and been kicking ass for last 3 years, so thats good enough.

Jahu wrote:Socal, no one is saying they should not minimize their taxes, dont derail the talk.

All i said is that he is critisized for it, compared to Fed or Andy, who their respective compatriots dont care much about their taxes, though some English will take a stab on Andy on taxes purely on anti-scotish sentiment.

Just understand that players  from smaller poorer countries will get this bashing, as those players themselvs like to trumpet nationalistic crap.

Djoko and war is total crap, Serbia was not in a war, their military installation and state TV was bombed, a few bridges too, some civilians died.

He likes to play this victim card, while his dad was rich, close to Milosevic and was making good money on arms dealing.

Marin Cilic and Dodig had it worst on the Bosian war then Djoko, and you dont hear them mention it often, but lets not get into war propaganda.

In the end as someone said, Djoko came late to the party as tennis fans were already split between Fed and Nadal, he has behaves a few times unfair or quiting matches for no reason etc etc.

He has made lots of money and been kicking ass for last 3 years, so thats good enough.

Ah, funny because everything I read about Djokovic's father is that he was at best middle class and in fact borrowed money from a loan shark when Novak was a junior to fund his career. Don't make stuff up about Djokovic's dad being close to Milosevic and being an arms dealer. The guy owned a pizza parlor and if he was so rich from arms dealing why did he have to borrow money from a loan shark to pay for Novak's coaching and travel?

Who am I explaining, what has happened in Balkans?

To you in California?

Want me to list you a dozen of criminal Serbian War Generals who own Pizza parlors and car-washes and live a quite life under the cover or small family business? And the general cover-up Serbia has done for its war criminals?

There is a saying in Balkans, "When you are super rich, go take money from loan-sharks, let the town know you have no money and are skint".

Watch Fox and CNN and don't peddle your silly defense of Djoko on political grounds.

Don't start me, you know you will lose again, so did the "nitb", proven fact

Chill now and get back to topic.

Jahu wrote:Who am I explaining, what has happened in Balkans?

To you in California?

Want me to list you a dozen of criminal Serbian War Generals who own Pizza parlors and car-washes and live a quite life under the cover or small family business? And the general cover-up Serbia has done for its war criminals?

There is a saying in Balkans, "When you are super rich, go take money from loan-sharks, let the town know you have no money and are skint".

Watch Fox and CNN and don't peddle your silly defense of Djoko on political grounds.

Don't start me, you know you will lose again, so did the "nitb", proven fact

Chill now and get back to topic.

Funny, I don't see Djokovic's dad on any interpol or UN suspects for war crimes. Talk about a load of nonsense you made up. Yeah if you are super rich borrow from a loan shark? Trust me buddy I know a lot of rich people and none of them borrow money from loan sharks. Your pulling stuff out of your dirty place again Jahu. Please show me some evidence that Djokovic's dad is a war criminal or arms dealer. And real reporting from multiple reputtable sources, not some nonsense you and your buddy posted online somewhere. You brought this crap up, I didn't. And besides this is on topic, I mean if Djokovic's dad is responsible for genocide it might impinge on his popularity. But of course that is a load of nonsense that you just made up. I might not like Federer but at least I don't make up crap like this about him.

Nah, if you understood the protection some criminals have got in Serbia, you would not question the lid put on the past of their best Sports Ambassador.

Get real, don't be so naive. Its easy for you to read 5 min some website of what Djokos father said and stick with it.

Here some really nasty things have happened. And some ever worst things have remained hidden.

I have nothing personal against Djoko, "ive said it here, I had him sign me a cap for a friend at MC, had maybe 45 second chat with him.

Don't like his style, hought i like Tipsy much more, so dont spin it as im anti-serbian, cheap joke of '90s.

Jahu wrote:Nah, if you understood the protection some criminals have got in Serbia, you would not question the lid put on the past of their best Sports Ambassador.

Get real, don't be so naive. Its easy for you to read 5 min some website of what Djokos father said and stick with it.

Here some really nasty things have happened. And some ever worst things have remained hidden.

I have nothing personal against Djoko, "ive said it here, I had him sign me a cap for a friend at MC, had maybe 45 second chat with him.

Don't like his style, hought i like Tipsy much more, so dont spin it as im anti-serbian, cheap joke of '90s.

I didn't say you were anti-serbian, I said you were anti-factual and I stick by it.

Relax now before we get banned again

We can chat about it when i come to Cali for a dinner

Jahu wrote:He likes to play this victim card, while his dad was rich, close to Milosevic and was making good money on arms dealing.

What's your evidence for this ?

Truce man, some things are not for internet forums

Jahu, I haven't said anything that would result in me getting banned. Right now I am not in Cali, I am in Iran, attending to some family business. But I will be there in a few weeks. You are the one calling his dad an arms dealer and war criminal, and I don't want you to get banned I just don't like people making up nonsense with no substantiaion and passing it off as fact.

Speaking of tournaments and investments in Novak’s career, Srdjan said that back then all doors were closed. The situation in Serbia was very hard, sanctions, bombing. There were individuals, Srdjan says, who could have helped, but they did not see what the world saw. It has never happened in the history of junior tennis for one player to connect titles in all ages with 14, 16 and 18 years. It was very difficult for the family. Although both Srdjan and his wife had well paid jobs, Novak’s expenses were higher. They managed in different ways, first of all, they loaned money from a loan shark. They were charging 15 percent of interest on monthly level, Srdjan says. Politicians and state institutions did not want to hear to help, Srdjan says. Serbian sport, science and culture are the flagship of Serbian society. Wherever they show up, people from these spheres represent Serbia in the right way. There were only two men, a friend of Srdjan’s brother who gave them DM 5,000 when Novak was 14 and told them to return when they can. The other man, a friend of a friend, gave them, at the time, DM 20,000 and said to him that Novak is amazing sportsman, and that he knows they are having troubles. He told them that the money was for Novak’s career, and even if he does not manage to make one, that is for the success in his life. Partizan also helped, Novak used to train there every time he returned from Munich, where he lived, Srdjan says. Father of the world’s number one says that it was very difficult to keep the family together at the time. He says that he had full support from his wife Dijana, who made up for his absence and being with Novak in all his tournaments. She worked 15 hours a day, raised other two boys. Srdjan says that they could not have anything if the family had not stayed together in those difficult moments.

Read More at inserbia.info/today/2013/07/family-supported-novak-when-no-one-else-wanted-to-help-srdjan-djokovic/ © InSerbia News

I stated what is a public secret, that has been carefully managed for years.

Do you belive in it or do I belive in it, whats the difference or importance?

You are not in a position to call it nonsese, because you are not from here, you dont live here, you have not lived here during that period.

So how can you refute anything about it?

Just because its not on Wiki, does not make it nonsense, thought all war stories are beautified to a degree, same as Djoko was "saved" from bombs like a little Tito Partizan.

Nice story there, superbly made to look so suffering and give hope to poor serbs.
Enjoy Iran.

Btw Ive told you Djoko is not serbian, he half montenegro half croat.

He is a serb, same as Rusedski is Canadian.

Jahu, I really don't care if he is Serbian or if his dad was an arms dealer. I just watch tennis, Novak isn't my buddy, and makes no difference to me whether you or anyone else like or dislike him.

Good. So why all the fuss? Enjoy your trip.

Maybe it's true or maybe it isn't but if you're not providing your sources we are going to have to assume it more likely isn't.

socal1976 wrote:

Jahu wrote:They dont like him much in Serbia either, as he is considered a tax dodger living in Monaco, though hes tryed with a few small shots donations to appease the poor people.

Otherwise, he is probably more fun for a drink then Nadal or Fed.

Oh wait and Federer choses to live in Dubai, because he loves the sandstorms and 40 plus degree heat or he likes the tax dodge of residing in the emirates. Pretty much every tennis player from Europe has to flee their countries for tax purposes. Even Murray lives in Florida with much better tax rates than Scotland. Gasquet lives in Switzerland, Becker was charged and prosecuted by German tax authorities.

And Rafa chooses to stay in the small town where he was born. He has made it clear he wouldn't live anywhere else and Spain's tax is no better than the rest of Europe

JuliusHMarx wrote:Djokovic seems happy enough with his wife and new-born child. Would he 'do anything' for some fan-girls - swap his family for them perhaps?

Ask Safin.

Henman Bill wrote:Maybe it's true or maybe it isn't but if you're not providing your sources we are going to have to assume it more likely isn't.

HB, read my posts, you would understand the issue has been managed nicely.

Maybe baby, life goes on.

It was a tough time in Serbia. Tough times make for great opportunities. Can't hold it against Papa Djoko. I tend to believe Jahu. In fragile countries, best to ignore the negatives.

Jahu wrote:Btw Ive told you Djoko is not serbian, he half montenegro half croat.

He is a serb, same as Rusedski is Canadian.

Or English he, like my grandson can chose..... dual nationality

HN, you're a grandmom? There goes another chance for me

Well I can put myself in that list, among others passports, I am a fake Brit too

Awwww but then I can be a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry young grandmom

kingraf wrote:It was a tough time in Serbia. Tough times make for great opportunities. Can't hold it against Papa Djoko. I tend to believe Jahu. In fragile countries, best to ignore the negatives.

Agree King, as I've said, war is war people do anything to survive and profit, equaly.

Bit tough to explain war issues as most have seen it on TV only.

Lets keep it to tennis, Djoko sucks btw, true story this one

Haddie-nuff wrote:Awwww but then I can be a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry young grandmom

Haddie. To think you can still pass for a fan-girl

Haddie-nuff wrote:Awwww but then I can be a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry young grandmom

Don't think so, you are a smart mom and smart moms dont let daughters marry at teen age and have kids so early.

Agree?

hawkeye wrote:

Haddie-nuff wrote:Awwww but then I can be a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry young grandmom

Haddie. To think you can still pass for a fan-girl

HE, do you have a Marriage Certficate or still single?

Jahu wrote:HN, you're a grandmom? There goes another chance for me

Well I can put myself in that list, among others passports, I am a fake Brit too

Federer too has dual nationality... Can't blame him for representing Suisse interests instead of our own, but still, he's eligible to vote, so he's a Saffer.

Rather delicate matter, nationality. I'm currently in a rather peculiar position where I'm the only member of my family without a Spanish passport, and I'm not likely to get one either. Crummy Naturalisation laws.

King, I can fix you a spanish wife for "papers", bit of a tradition in Balkans

Do you need visas for europe/usa?

I think Jahu owns a dating agency of some sort.

Jahu wrote:King, I can fix you a spanish wife for "papers", bit of a tradition in Balkans

Do you need visas for europe/usa?

My girlfriend would kill me if I got married!!!

Need a EU passport as it makes travelling much easier, and cheaper. My Dad is a naturalised Spaniard, and my sisters were born there, so they have Spanish citizenship. I was born in SA, and Spanish government doesn't allow dual citizenship for kids of naturalised citizens. SA visas are pretty pricey, especially for Euro trips to five or six countries.

IMBL, hahah, dating is for rich people, fixing european papers with pay as you go partners, is not much of a date

Want a priority listing? Maybe your "must be love" will turn into a "it is love"

kingraf wrote:

Jahu wrote:King, I can fix you a spanish wife for "papers", bit of a tradition in Balkans

Do you need visas for europe/usa?

My girlfriend would kill me if I got married!!!

Need a EU passport as it makes travelling much easier, and cheaper. My Dad is a naturalised Spaniard, and my sisters were born there, so they have Spanish citizenship. I was born in SA, and Spanish government doesn't allow dual citizenship for kids of naturalised citizens. SA visas are pretty pricey, especially for Euro trips to five or six countries.

Bit of a mess you are.

Love is more important then a passport, so be good and something might come up

Jahu wrote:IMBL, hahah, dating is for rich people, fixing european papers with pay as you go partners, is not much of a date

Marrying someone so you can get a visa, omg that is so romantic

socal1976 wrote:

Jahu wrote:They dont like him much in Serbia either, as he is considered a tax dodger living in Monaco, though hes tryed with a few small shots donations to appease the poor people.

Otherwise, he is probably more fun for a drink then Nadal or Fed.

Oh wait and Federer choses to live in Dubai, because he loves the sandstorms and 40 plus degree heat or he likes the tax dodge of residing in the emirates. Pretty much every tennis player from Europe has to flee their countries for tax purposes. Even Murray lives in Florida with much better tax rates than Scotland. Gasquet lives in Switzerland, Becker was charged and prosecuted by German tax authorities.

As far as I am aware Murray's official residence is in London and he pays UK tax (yes he owns property in Miami). Not seen anything elsewhere to make me think differently. There was this article in 2012 which intimated that there was a possibility of using Florida http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2121908/Andy-Murray-America-Monte-Carlo.html but nothing more has been said. I'm sure the press would have been all over it if he had followed it through.

I wouldn't knock it IMBL.

There can be few more touching & emotional words to be heard in marriage register offices throughout the UK than  "For this Visa, I thee wed"

Calder  - I'm quite sure you're right about Murray. It obviously makes sense for him to have a base in Florida too, given how much time he spends training there. In any event, the total number of permitted days per annum in the UK would limit him severely if he went down the tax exile route ; more limited, I suspect, than would suit his purposes, and private life.

Similarly, I believe Federer's principal residence is still Switzerland, with Dubai being very much a second home (along with several others ....? )

I think earlier in the thread socal was confusing (perhaps conveniently .....) the location of training camps with that of the main 'family' home.

hawkeye wrote:

Haddie-nuff wrote:Awwww but then I can be a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry young grandmom

Haddie. To think you can still pass for a fan-girl

No HE I dont think I come into that category.. even if I were the age to be.. I've never really be the fan-girl type

lags72 wrote:I wouldn't knock it IMBL.

There can be few more touching & emotional words to be heard in marriage register offices throughout the UK than  "For this Visa, I thee wed"

very droll lags.. but oh so true

kingraf wrote:It was a tough time in Serbia. Tough times make for great opportunities. Can't hold it against Papa Djoko. I tend to believe Jahu. In fragile countries, best to ignore the negatives.

So you tend to believe that Mr. Djokovic is an arms dealer and war criminal based on zero documentation except what Jahu says. I know you don't like Djokovic but that is pretty silly. Regardless who cares frankly even if his dad is adolf Eichmann it doesn't reflect on him. He isn't accused of anything. And frankly, if I was a judge I would not tend believe the rantings of randy Jahu who claims rich people like to borrow from loan sharks to show they have money and who is trying to get down Haddie's pants on a web forum. Although I wouldn't mind me some Hawkeye loving, remember crazy girls are always better in bed.

Who said he is a war criminal or his father is/was?

Why are you spinning it like that?

Dealing in arms does make you a war criminal, but an arms dealer, and if there are international sanctions on arms dealing, and you get caught, you get indited for that, not for war crimes.

Other sexual accusation you make, are typical of a person of your type, who has collected the rewards of living and getting smart in USA and then think he is fun & modern

Jahu wrote:

kingraf wrote:

Jahu wrote:King, I can fix you a spanish wife for "papers", bit of a tradition in Balkans

Do you need visas for europe/usa?

My girlfriend would kill me if I got married!!!

Need a EU passport as it makes travelling much easier, and cheaper. My Dad is a naturalised Spaniard, and my sisters were born there, so they have Spanish citizenship. I was born in SA, and Spanish government doesn't allow dual citizenship for kids of naturalised citizens. SA visas are pretty pricey, especially for Euro trips to five or six countries.

Bit of a mess you are.

Love is more important then a passport, so be good and something might come up

It is fine for you and your parents because of your father's nationality. I lived in Spain for nearly 14 years and I had my permanent residency documents.. however this is all fine at the moment but what if the Uk come out of the European Union..the expats are in deep chite over there.. properties are ten a penny, they wont have the money to go home even if they do sell, if they stay there health care will no longer be paid for by our government, Spain will put up their borders and a EU passport will mean sOd all .. 90,000 UK expats left last year, giving their keys back to the banks and walking away, driving their cars to the airport and leaving them. I managed to sell my property after 4 years... I love Spain Jahu, but ....jeeze I feel sorry for those who are basically trapped their.. I hope my friends get out before the UK withdraw from the Union.. it will happen Im sure

The alternative story reads like Alice in Wonderland if I'm honest. Does being an arms dealer make you a war criminal? I say no. Government's hand young men crazy weaponry to fight, does that make world government war criminals?

Major thing for me is, Jahu isn't the first Serbian I've heard mention this. Not usually a smoke= fire person, and I'm hardly calling for the imprisonment of Srdjan, just stating I've decided it's not outside the realm of possibility.

Bit like the fact that Dimitar Berbatov retired from international football. A Bulgarian mate told me it was mob related... Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. But I read up on it, and it certainly isn't outside the realm of reality.

Jahu wrote:Who said he is a war criminal or his father is/was?

Why are you spinning it like that?

Dealing in arms does make you a war criminal, but an arms dealer, and if there are international sanctions on arms dealing, and you get caught, you get indited for that, not for war crimes.

Other sexual accusation you make, are typical of a person of your type, who has collected the rewards of living and getting smart in USA and then think he is fun & modern

Oh god make up your mind either I am an Iranian extremist or a pampered rich kid from the USA or both, I don't know yet. You need to stop making silly assumptions and then posting them.

HN, it wont, dont worry, this is just Camroon playing his election crap.

There has been excess money wasted in 2000's boom and people re-mortgaging their life to be stupid with 5 homes, and most have burned themselves into it.

Better times are coming for sure.

socal1976 wrote:

Jahu wrote:Who said he is a war criminal or his father is/was?

Why are you spinning it like that?

Dealing in arms does make you a war criminal, but an arms dealer, and if there are international sanctions on arms dealing, and you get caught, you get indited for that, not for war crimes.

Other sexual accusation you make, are typical of a person of your type, who has collected the rewards of living and getting smart in USA and then think he is fun & modern

Oh god make up your mind either I am an Iranian extremist or a pampered rich kid from the USA or both, I don't know yet. You need to stop making silly assumptions and then posting them.

Iranian extremist? Those are smart man, they don't try to look silly on forums.

Get off your American flavored Iranian horse and behave like a normal personal.

And don't ruin the thread with your sour jokes, that might be fun with Teheran's Taxi drivers.