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Season 7 Homepage VI
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2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
POS | Aviva Premiership | PLAYED | WON | DREW | LOST | P F | P A | P D | T F | T A | TBP | LBP | POINTS | |
1 | Northampton Saints | 14 | 12 | 0 | 2 | 398 | 344 | 54 | 44 | 32 | 7 | 2 | 57 | |
2 | Sale Sharks * | 14 | 11 | 0 | 3 | 389 | 347 | 42 | 43 | 31 | 4 | 3 | 50 | |
3 | London Wasps * | 14 | 10 | 1 | 3 | 388 | 362 | 26 | 41 | 34 | 4 | 2 | 47 | |
4 | Harlequins * | 14 | 8 | 2 | 4 | 392 | 357 | 35 | 39 | 34 | 2 | 4 | 41 | |
5 | Leicester Tigers | 14 | 6 | 1 | 7 | 339 | 347 | -8 | 28 | 31 | 0 | 7 | 33 | |
6 | Saracens | 14 | 6 | 1 | 7 | 341 | 358 | -17 | 30 | 32 | 0 | 7 | 33 | |
7 | Exeter Chiefs * | 14 | 5 | 4 | 5 | 338 | 352 | -14 | 28 | 31 | 0 | 5 | 32 | |
8 | Gloucester | 14 | 5 | 1 | 8 | 357 | 358 | -1 | 31 | 32 | 0 | 7 | 29 | |
9 | Bath Rugby * | 14 | 5 | 1 | 8 | 361 | 366 | -5 | 35 | 35 | 1 | 8 | 29 | |
10 | Newcastle Falcons * | 14 | 4 | 1 | 9 | 344 | 370 | -26 | 31 | 34 | 2 | 7 | 26 | |
11 | London Irish | 14 | 2 | 2 | 10 | 341 | 378 | -37 | 30 | 39 | 1 | 9 | 22 | |
12 | London Welsh | 14 | 3 | 0 | 11 | 323 | 377 | -54 | 27 | 39 | 0 | 7 | 19 |
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Fixture List
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Foreign Transfers
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Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.
Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1992.
Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:
- Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.- Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on its own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.- Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
Open Window
Open transfer window, teams have unlimited bids provided they have the financial resources to cover them. Teams may only bid for one player at a time.
The window will open from the 9th of June but only to those sides that finish 8th and below at first. They will have a week to make one signing each before the window is open to all.
Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation
Compensation will be paid as follows
£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other
All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 15:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.
Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box.
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.
In addition, each team must have the following:-
For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.
For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.
At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.
All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).
Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.
If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.
Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.
Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.
Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.
£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.
AP finishing positions.
Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m
Heineken Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million
Amlin Challenge Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million
Anglo-Welsh Cup
Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million
If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.
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SirJohnnyEnglish- Posts : 8536
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Auterac has kept James out for most of the season, Catt has been 3rd choice.
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I've got Lahiff
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Bath now have a great base of EQ front row for next season:
Auterac/Lahiff/Catt
Webber/Batty/Dunn
Wilson/Thomas/Palmer-Newport
Auterac/Lahiff/Catt
Webber/Batty/Dunn
Wilson/Thomas/Palmer-Newport
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In which case Bath have a issue at loosehead. Auterac isn't at a level to trouble top tightheads yet, and when I last saw Lahiff he wasn't either.
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Bath have had one of if not the best scrums in the AP this season Steve. Thomas and Auterac have been starting props for the majority and have dominated most, what more do you want?
Thomas has been as good if not better than Wilson and Auterac has kept James and Catt out. The Bath management obviously think they'll be strong, they're hardly short of cash.
Thomas has been as good if not better than Wilson and Auterac has kept James and Catt out. The Bath management obviously think they'll be strong, they're hardly short of cash.
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I was going to say it is most likely Auterac will be fast tracked into starting more games this season to give him more experience. Not to say Lahiff hasn't got any, but they are not invincible props
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I've not seen Bath struggle in the scrum this season, quite the opposite to be honest, they've been very impressive.
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:Cipriani kicking at 69%
http://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/features/columnists/jeremy-guscott/20583/jeremy-guscott-suddenly-danny-cipriani-can-tackle-shame-about-his-kicking/
69% or 72%, that's not International quality kicking.
72% is fine at int level. To be fair the huge inconsistency im rugby stats show how valueless stats are. You would think kicking would be easy to get the stats right.
Tackling stats are the biggest nonsense in the game.
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James has been bath's main LH with auterac pushing hard. Big games have generally seen James start.
Auterac is some prospect and the reason they are letting James go. Looks the real deal
Auterac is some prospect and the reason they are letting James go. Looks the real deal
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Put Auterac in against top level scrumagers in Europe or top of Prem (Your Leicester's for example) and I'd argue he'd struggle. I may be proved wrong but I'd be wary of having him as first choice.
make no mistake he looks like he'll turn into a cracking prop.
make no mistake he looks like he'll turn into a cracking prop.
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Steven_Sharks wrote:Put Auterac in against top level scrumagers in Europe or top of Prem (Your Leicester's for example) and I'd argue he'd struggle. I may be proved wrong but I'd be wary of having him as first choice.
make no mistake he looks like he'll turn into a cracking prop.
Agree Steve. As good as he is you can't be that level without experience. Some of the European props will work Him over. It's part of the learning curve and happens to all props.
Even when you are world class you will have the odd game when you get a stuffing but the more experienced you are the easier it is to work outs other props styles and moves at scrum time
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He's still learning that's for sure but has passed every test thrown at him this season, his loose work is very impressive.
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Good start from the Wolfhounds. Winning a scrum against the head. SOB looking sharp.
Young Itoje on now
Young Itoje on now
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That's been a pretty gash 40 minutes rugby. Neither side appears to have much of a game plan.
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Burgess has been awful! Looks completely out of his depth
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He needs more games, throwing him in with Slade and Daly as two guys he's never played with it was never going to work with only 2 months of union behind him. Bench option would have been better for him - still be a good experience for him.
How is Simpson not in the England main squad though - easily the inform no9 in an England shirt - Slade might also have put his hand up for selection, was impressed with him - wonder if he could make the no12 shirt.
How is Simpson not in the England main squad though - easily the inform no9 in an England shirt - Slade might also have put his hand up for selection, was impressed with him - wonder if he could make the no12 shirt.
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Was a poor game of rugby. Neither side really got any attacking patterns going.
Slade, Kvesic, Ewers & Simpson all looked good for the Saxons. Some set piece issues. Don't think Lancaster will be too impressed with Webber's darts.
Henderson was great for Ireland really come back with a bang from injury. SOB looked good first 30 mins but was puffing thereafter. Madigan probably played himself out of the 10 shirt for the Italy game.
Slade, Kvesic, Ewers & Simpson all looked good for the Saxons. Some set piece issues. Don't think Lancaster will be too impressed with Webber's darts.
Henderson was great for Ireland really come back with a bang from injury. SOB looked good first 30 mins but was puffing thereafter. Madigan probably played himself out of the 10 shirt for the Italy game.
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Ref ruined it as well, never let the game flow.
Trouble is they have less time together than the BaaBaas do and no surprise set piece was so bad.
Was impressed with Itoje - he just seems to play whatever level he's asked to play. Surely should be time he started for Sarries. Simpson has been like that all season, would have him as our 3rd choice no9 easily now, has improved so much.
Trouble is they have less time together than the BaaBaas do and no surprise set piece was so bad.
Was impressed with Itoje - he just seems to play whatever level he's asked to play. Surely should be time he started for Sarries. Simpson has been like that all season, would have him as our 3rd choice no9 easily now, has improved so much.
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As I said pre match saxons has zero value
It's a thrown together side. Expecting anything is unfair. I am 60 in and its poor.
Other problem is that if treated as a development game the nature of the celts is to not to lose to England so
They pick a non developmental side.
Playing Ross McCarthy Madigan fitzgerald etc is poor Ireland will win nothing and by losing its
A bit embarrassing.
My mate owns
This company that supplies companies like http://www.rugbydump.com/2013/03/3075/new-rugbydump-t-shirt-hoodies-and-more-store they did
The Steffan Armitage one
Ben Kay and
The
Other commentators wore. When they changed the slogan on
Their 6 nations shirts for
The celt nations to include as long as we
Beat the english their sales increased 20%.
If like me you loved watching cecillon and were shocked by his jailing for killing his wife this is even more weird http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9687494,00.html
His dad
Was a good version of Picamoles in that he carried just as well but could also defend and had a work rate.
Amazing 8
It's a thrown together side. Expecting anything is unfair. I am 60 in and its poor.
Other problem is that if treated as a development game the nature of the celts is to not to lose to England so
They pick a non developmental side.
Playing Ross McCarthy Madigan fitzgerald etc is poor Ireland will win nothing and by losing its
A bit embarrassing.
My mate owns
This company that supplies companies like http://www.rugbydump.com/2013/03/3075/new-rugbydump-t-shirt-hoodies-and-more-store they did
The Steffan Armitage one
Ben Kay and
The
Other commentators wore. When they changed the slogan on
Their 6 nations shirts for
The celt nations to include as long as we
Beat the english their sales increased 20%.
If like me you loved watching cecillon and were shocked by his jailing for killing his wife this is even more weird http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9687494,00.html
His dad
Was a good version of Picamoles in that he carried just as well but could also defend and had a work rate.
Amazing 8
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dammit_chris wrote:He needs more games, throwing him in with Slade and Daly as two guys he's never played with it was never going to work with only 2 months of union behind him. Bench option would have been better for him - still be a good experience for him.
How is Simpson not in the England main squad though - easily the inform no9 in an England shirt - Slade might also have put his hand up for selection, was impressed with him - wonder if he could make the no12 shirt.
Personally think the way we play wiggles would be best option as his kicking game and passing top drawer. He never challenges the fringes but the way we play makes that irrelevant.
Worthless game but kvesic is in rare form , Webber had a mare, I have always been an earls fan with the ball, ref poor beyond belief, McGrath never an int prop. Mcgrath has so many good qualities but scrummaging ain't one.
Yarde showed his poor positioning again tonight, clueless with ball kicked to him.
Itoje looks a natural
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I know what you mean with Wigglesworth fitting the Lancaster style Mat, I just don't think we develop as a team that can beat the likes of NZ or SA playing that way.
With the pack and set piece we have, we can definitely look to play a more expansive game - guess my point with Simpson is that I don't see him as an England starter but would much rather have him in the games against the smaller nations in the WC where we need to build up points and score tries in a group that is going to be so tight it could come down to points scored.
Would look at Wade too - each time he gets the ball he's a threat and Slade looks like he's made for international rugby as he's such a clever player - would prefer him to Twelvetrees at no12.
With the pack and set piece we have, we can definitely look to play a more expansive game - guess my point with Simpson is that I don't see him as an England starter but would much rather have him in the games against the smaller nations in the WC where we need to build up points and score tries in a group that is going to be so tight it could come down to points scored.
Would look at Wade too - each time he gets the ball he's a threat and Slade looks like he's made for international rugby as he's such a clever player - would prefer him to Twelvetrees at no12.
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dammit_chris wrote:I know what you mean with Wigglesworth fitting the Lancaster style Mat, I just don't think we develop as a team that can beat the likes of NZ or SA playing that way.
With the pack and set piece we have, we can definitely look to play a more expansive game - guess my point with Simpson is that I don't see him as an England starter but would much rather have him in the games against the smaller nations in the WC where we need to build up points and score tries in a group that is going to be so tight it could come down to points scored.
Would look at Wade too - each time he gets the ball he's a threat and Slade looks like he's made for international rugby as he's such a clever player - would prefer him to Twelvetrees at no12.
Agree with you Chris. Simpson has been In tremendous form and wade could score hatful a against the weaker nations.
Austin Healy and dean Ryan in different papers yesterday said that twelve tees is so far from being an international centre that picking him shows a complete lack of respect to the other contenders.
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Besides one scrum, I thought McGrath and Ireland had the better of the scrums.
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The scrums were fairly even last night but you can see why McGrath gets done at int level. He is far too high and angles not great. Difference between club and int rugby.
I actually think they can work on McGrath. He has a good autumn apart from the scrums.
That was a fairly senior line up from Ireland. Ref pinged most scums
I actually think they can work on McGrath. He has a good autumn apart from the scrums.
That was a fairly senior line up from Ireland. Ref pinged most scums
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Sorry Matt Ireland definitely had the better of the scrums last night. Won a few against the head. McGrath had Thomas all game. Set piece was an issue all night for England.
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SJE how about I give you £5m for Itoje, don't think he's going to make it and good chance for you to clear a space in your squad for a better player?
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Surely should be starting for Sarries more now - him, Lawes and Launchbury could be the England set up for years to come.
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Itoje is an impressive athlete but he seems a bit headless when I've seen him.
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SJE in my view scrums were fairly even ish I expected Ireland to turn us over there as they had such a settled experienced unit.
My observations on McGrath are based on seeing him getting a bit of pasting in the autumns and seeing him last night.
His set up is all wrong from angles to feet position. Is he a converted prop? He must be savagely strong to be able to scrum like he does with the way he sets up.
Can see why he struggles at top level. Think he is really good around the park and could make a good player.
I am off to dublin doe the game this year and I would be delighted if he starts against wilson though
My observations on McGrath are based on seeing him getting a bit of pasting in the autumns and seeing him last night.
His set up is all wrong from angles to feet position. Is he a converted prop? He must be savagely strong to be able to scrum like he does with the way he sets up.
Can see why he struggles at top level. Think he is really good around the park and could make a good player.
I am off to dublin doe the game this year and I would be delighted if he starts against wilson though
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Steve, have gone to a few Saracens Storms games where Itoje captains the side, very intelligent player and a good leader. Only issue currently is his set piece, but as a 20 year old in his first full season at Sarries you'd expect that. Personally think he's the best young prospect in Europe at the moment.
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I think Itoje is one of those players you see and just know they are going to make it.
Like when I saw marler Savea etc they just looked like internationals the minute you saw them
Like when I saw marler Savea etc they just looked like internationals the minute you saw them
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Only caught the game in a bar with no commentary and a poop Thai band trying its best to destroy my ear drums.
Really poor game as expected, hard to get any continuity going when only together for a week or so. Burgess was the worst player on the pitch and looked awful. He wasn't overly helped by Daly who's a worry defensively.
It's not just Burgess looking like he's adapting, his basic skills are poor. His passing isn't good enough for 12 and as I've said numerous times he lacks the gas for a back, his tackling was a shower too, a real night to forget.
Line out was a shambles, Webber had an off night (not helped by poor options) and LCD showed why he's not ready for this level of rugby with his poor darts.
On the positive, I thought the backrow went well. Dickson/Slade looked decent, we've got 4 good options at SH. Probably more a case of players playing their way out than in which is disappointing.
Really poor game as expected, hard to get any continuity going when only together for a week or so. Burgess was the worst player on the pitch and looked awful. He wasn't overly helped by Daly who's a worry defensively.
It's not just Burgess looking like he's adapting, his basic skills are poor. His passing isn't good enough for 12 and as I've said numerous times he lacks the gas for a back, his tackling was a shower too, a real night to forget.
Line out was a shambles, Webber had an off night (not helped by poor options) and LCD showed why he's not ready for this level of rugby with his poor darts.
On the positive, I thought the backrow went well. Dickson/Slade looked decent, we've got 4 good options at SH. Probably more a case of players playing their way out than in which is disappointing.
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Great win though.
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Lol you'd think we lost we've all the negativity about last nights Saxons performance...
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People seem to forget it's a scratch team thrown togeather
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Result mattered little in the greater scheme of things. These games are for fringe players to step up and make a case for themselves, I don't think anybody really did that. It was more a case of players showing they're not ready.
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Completely agree with you Driver - they had 1 and 1/2 sessions to prepare for that game. No chance for fringe players to shine and can't read anything into the game at all, other than they all did really well to get an away win against an Irish side few people thought we would be able to turnover in Cork.
Is a shame that Wales, Scotland and France don't have B sides as then players could make a case for themselves properly - the games seem a bit meaningless when it is like that.
Is a shame that Wales, Scotland and France don't have B sides as then players could make a case for themselves properly - the games seem a bit meaningless when it is like that.
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:Result mattered little in the greater scheme of things. These games are for fringe players to step up and make a case for themselves, I don't think anybody really did that. It was more a case of players showing they're not ready.
Not sure I can agree with you Pooly
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Fair enough mate.
Win or lose it doesn't neccesarily matter imo, nothing comes of it bar breeding a winning mentality which again doesn't really matter as any individual being promoted will be entering a new group.
I'd like a decent performance and a few players really pushing the first team squad over a win.
Win or lose it doesn't neccesarily matter imo, nothing comes of it bar breeding a winning mentality which again doesn't really matter as any individual being promoted will be entering a new group.
I'd like a decent performance and a few players really pushing the first team squad over a win.
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Slade , Thomas and Burgess called up
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Burgess? What a complete joke, he's done absolutley nothing to deserve that. What kind of message does that send out?!?
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It's just Slade and Thomas, Burgess is training with the squad till Monday for experience. Still out of order imo, he's done nothing to justify that level of inclusion.
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Go watch him at a live game Pooly and then you will realise why England put a lot of faith in him. Watched him v Wasps and he takes up 2 defenders each time the ball goes near him, Wolfhounds put a backrower out to mark him and freed us space at the breakdown where Kvesvic shone.
He didn't have the best game for Saxons, tried to rush too many things and force the game and didn't work, but the coaches are obviously seeing something in him and all the players who train with him speak very highly of him.
Once they work out how to bring him into the game more he'll do very well. Each game he plays for Bath he improves.
He didn't have the best game for Saxons, tried to rush too many things and force the game and didn't work, but the coaches are obviously seeing something in him and all the players who train with him speak very highly of him.
Once they work out how to bring him into the game more he'll do very well. Each game he plays for Bath he improves.
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I'm with Pooly on this one. He's not ready and is not likely to be ready in time for this world cup. I can see that they're trying to give him experience, but the fawning over him, and ridiculous reporting that I've read, which in one paper claimed that he 'starred' in last nights game, is embarrassing.
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He's not ready by a long shot - what I'm saying is that all the coaches he has worked with speak very highly of him. Callard sung his praises and they've all seen something in him that has given him this opportunity.
The RFU hasn't paid anything to bring him over, so its not like they are obliged to do it. I think he'll get there, just not sure he will before the WC as can see Slade pushing on and he seems to have the qualities to make him a good no12 - he also did a great defensive job on Tuilagi, so doesn't have any defensive issues.
The RFU hasn't paid anything to bring him over, so its not like they are obliged to do it. I think he'll get there, just not sure he will before the WC as can see Slade pushing on and he seems to have the qualities to make him a good no12 - he also did a great defensive job on Tuilagi, so doesn't have any defensive issues.
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Saxons pointless to make decisions on players on
It is stupidity.
Burgess not ready in anyway but has potential.
Pennel went ok/
Watched glos vs ospreys today and was impressed with Sam Davies. Some kicker. Made billy burns look a mug. I own both players and am pretty positive Davies will be an int and burns a prem bench player.
Billy burns has such great attacking instincts but like his brother his tackling is awful
It is stupidity.
Burgess not ready in anyway but has potential.
Pennel went ok/
Watched glos vs ospreys today and was impressed with Sam Davies. Some kicker. Made billy burns look a mug. I own both players and am pretty positive Davies will be an int and burns a prem bench player.
Billy burns has such great attacking instincts but like his brother his tackling is awful
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It's ok drawing two players in but he can't pass, tackle, kick and has no gas.
As Pete says, it's just embarrassing.
As Pete says, it's just embarrassing.
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