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6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
First topic message reminder :
FRANCE v SCOTLAND
Saturday 7 February 2015
KO 17:00 (GMT)/18:00 (local)
Stade de France, Paris
Live on BBC1.
Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU)
Touch Judge 1: Glen Jackson (NZR)
Touch Judge 2: Mike Fraser (NZR)
TMO: George Ayoub (ARU)
A. Teams:
1. France
15 Scott Spedding (Bayonne)
14 Yoann Huget (Toulouse)
13 Mathieu Bastareaud (Toulon)
12 Wesley Fofana (Clermont)
11 Teddy Thomas (Racing Metro)
10 Camille Lopez (Clermont)
09 Rory Kockott (Castres)
01 Alexandre Menini (Toulon)
02 Guilhem Guirado (Toulon)
03 Rabah Slimani (Stade Francais)
04 Pascal Papé (Stade Francais)
05 Yoann Maestri (Toulouse)
06 Thierry Dusautoir (c) (Toulouse)
07 Bernard Le Roux (Racing Metro)
08 Damien Chouly (Clermont )
16 Benjamin Kayser (Clermont)
17 Uini Atonio (La Rochelle)
18 Eddy Ben Arous (Racing Metro)
19 Romain Taofifenua (Toulon)
20 Loann Goujon (La Rochelle)
21 Morgan Parra (Clermont)
22 Rémi Talès (Castres)
23 Rémi Lamerat (Castres)
2. Scotland
15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors)
14 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors)
13 Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors)
12 Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors)
11 Tim Visser (Edinburgh Rugby)
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors)
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester)
1 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby)
2 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby)
3 Euan Murray (Glasgow Warriors)
4 Richie Gray (Castres)
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors)
6 Rob Harley (Glasgow Warriors)
7 Blair Cowan (London Irish)
8 Johnnie Beattie (Castres)
16 Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors)
17 Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors)
18 Geoff Cross (London Irish)
19 Jim Hamilton (Saracens)
20 Alasdair Strokosch (USA Perpignan)
21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby)
22 Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors)
23 Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby)
B. Tournament Form (last 3 games):
1. France
15/3/14 - France 20 - 22 Ireland
8/3/14 - Scotland 17 - 19 France
21/2/14 - Wales 27 - 6 France
2. Scotland
15/3/14 - Wales 51 - 3 Scotland
8/3/14 - Scotland 17 - 19 France
22/2/14 - Italy 20 - 21 Scotland
C. Head to Head:
87 Played 87
50 Wins 34
34 Losses 50
3 Draws 3
153 Tries 132
78 Conversions 70
119 Penalties 127
28 Drop Goals 15
1,228 Points 1,049
FRANCE v SCOTLAND
Saturday 7 February 2015
KO 17:00 (GMT)/18:00 (local)
Stade de France, Paris
Live on BBC1.
Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU)
Touch Judge 1: Glen Jackson (NZR)
Touch Judge 2: Mike Fraser (NZR)
TMO: George Ayoub (ARU)
A. Teams:
1. France
15 Scott Spedding (Bayonne)
14 Yoann Huget (Toulouse)
13 Mathieu Bastareaud (Toulon)
12 Wesley Fofana (Clermont)
11 Teddy Thomas (Racing Metro)
10 Camille Lopez (Clermont)
09 Rory Kockott (Castres)
01 Alexandre Menini (Toulon)
02 Guilhem Guirado (Toulon)
03 Rabah Slimani (Stade Francais)
04 Pascal Papé (Stade Francais)
05 Yoann Maestri (Toulouse)
06 Thierry Dusautoir (c) (Toulouse)
07 Bernard Le Roux (Racing Metro)
08 Damien Chouly (Clermont )
16 Benjamin Kayser (Clermont)
17 Uini Atonio (La Rochelle)
18 Eddy Ben Arous (Racing Metro)
19 Romain Taofifenua (Toulon)
20 Loann Goujon (La Rochelle)
21 Morgan Parra (Clermont)
22 Rémi Talès (Castres)
23 Rémi Lamerat (Castres)
2. Scotland
15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors)
14 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors)
13 Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors)
12 Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors)
11 Tim Visser (Edinburgh Rugby)
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors)
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester)
1 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby)
2 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby)
3 Euan Murray (Glasgow Warriors)
4 Richie Gray (Castres)
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors)
6 Rob Harley (Glasgow Warriors)
7 Blair Cowan (London Irish)
8 Johnnie Beattie (Castres)
16 Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors)
17 Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors)
18 Geoff Cross (London Irish)
19 Jim Hamilton (Saracens)
20 Alasdair Strokosch (USA Perpignan)
21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby)
22 Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors)
23 Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby)
B. Tournament Form (last 3 games):
1. France
15/3/14 - France 20 - 22 Ireland
8/3/14 - Scotland 17 - 19 France
21/2/14 - Wales 27 - 6 France
2. Scotland
15/3/14 - Wales 51 - 3 Scotland
8/3/14 - Scotland 17 - 19 France
22/2/14 - Italy 20 - 21 Scotland
C. Head to Head:
87 Played 87
50 Wins 34
34 Losses 50
3 Draws 3
153 Tries 132
78 Conversions 70
119 Penalties 127
28 Drop Goals 15
1,228 Points 1,049
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
I was pondering before.
For six, We are missing Brown, Wilson, Denton, potentially Harley.
For seven, we are missing Barclay, Fusaro, Holmes, Grant.
For eight, we are missing Ashe.
Beattie becomes the only loose ball carrier, but this is not a key aspect of his game.
Does this mean that the tight five do more carries, and we play a disruptive back row with two opensides??
Beattie at 8, Cowan at 7, Blake a complete unkown quantity (to France, as well as us) to throw them completely, and just disrupt all the French ball. Why settle for a conventional 6 (Strokosch) to play an enforcer role, when two opensides could create mayhem and just disrupt France out of the game.
if it goes pear shaped, bring Strokosch off the bench to settle it.
Why not just go for broke?
Just dependent upon Harley not being fit of course.SA have played with 2 sevens before. If the pitch is firm, due to the cold, this could be a way of completely throwing the French.
For six, We are missing Brown, Wilson, Denton, potentially Harley.
For seven, we are missing Barclay, Fusaro, Holmes, Grant.
For eight, we are missing Ashe.
Beattie becomes the only loose ball carrier, but this is not a key aspect of his game.
Does this mean that the tight five do more carries, and we play a disruptive back row with two opensides??
Beattie at 8, Cowan at 7, Blake a complete unkown quantity (to France, as well as us) to throw them completely, and just disrupt all the French ball. Why settle for a conventional 6 (Strokosch) to play an enforcer role, when two opensides could create mayhem and just disrupt France out of the game.
if it goes pear shaped, bring Strokosch off the bench to settle it.
Why not just go for broke?
Just dependent upon Harley not being fit of course.SA have played with 2 sevens before. If the pitch is firm, due to the cold, this could be a way of completely throwing the French.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
I think in all honesty that the role of a six (admittedly Lydiate and Harley buck the trend) is more or less obsolete. Now front five forwards get around the pitch much better and tackle more the need for a dedicated tackler is not nearly as prominent and as a result playing with two 7s (or a 7 and a 6 1/2) and having a specialist breakdown operator at every ruck is a much better way to go about it hence the success of Brown and Barclay, if Rennie had a better fitness record we'd be in a far better position.
On a different note I just read an article by Stuart Barnes in Rugby World suggest we look at a different fly-half as Russell's goalkicking has tailed off. I'm sure this, rather than a display of ignorance, is the result of him discovering before the rest of us that Jackson and Weir had recovered quicker than first thought and that Laidlaw has relinquished his kicking duties.
On a different note I just read an article by Stuart Barnes in Rugby World suggest we look at a different fly-half as Russell's goalkicking has tailed off. I'm sure this, rather than a display of ignorance, is the result of him discovering before the rest of us that Jackson and Weir had recovered quicker than first thought and that Laidlaw has relinquished his kicking duties.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
I like the principle of playing with two 7s, but this is on the condition that one of them is/is capable of playing as a 6.5 - a Kelly Brown/Chris Robshaw style player who has the bulk to make big disruptive tackles but can still do the dirty work on the floor. Barclay was also known to play this role pretty well on occasion. I think if we went with (say) Watson and Cowan at 6/7, we would be fine (and very exciting!) in open play with Dickinson, Ford, Gray and Gray making the big and disruptive tackles, and those 2 along with Dunbar getting over the ball quickly. Or, if those 2 are both fulfilling that role it could free up Dunbar to use quick ball.
However I would fear that the French would target us at 6, attacking off the blindside of the scrum without the big tacklers above able to assist. That is assuming the ball ever comes out of the scrum...
However I would fear that the French would target us at 6, attacking off the blindside of the scrum without the big tacklers above able to assist. That is assuming the ball ever comes out of the scrum...
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Stuart Barnes is a plonker. another fly half - is he going to find us one? tonks is the back up isn't he - thenwho?
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Stuart Barnes obviously doesn't know that all the 9s in the squad can kick, and kick very well. Laidlaw we all know about but SHC has been impressive with the boot and so too Pyrgos.
What a
What a
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Never thought much of Barnes. He was a bit of a nob as a player, and has proven his consistency in this role as a pundit.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Don't be surprised by Stuart Barnes, Guscott et al. They get asked to preview the 6 nations once a year which always results in the rather embarrassing moment when they have to cover Scotland and Italy, when they don't even bother to watch or research their clubs\players. Had Glasgow not happened to draw Bath, Barnes wouldn't even have heard of Russell!
Remember Guscott confidently predicting Richie Gray would amount to nothing: "Bambi on ice". Guscott is as bad a pundit as good as he was a player, and that's saying something!
Remember Guscott confidently predicting Richie Gray would amount to nothing: "Bambi on ice". Guscott is as bad a pundit as good as he was a player, and that's saying something!
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Pictures of the training session today showed Harley and Hogg both taking part, which would be a huge boost.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
funnyExiledScot wrote:Don't be surprised by Stuart Barnes, Guscott et al. They get asked to preview the 6 nations once a year which always results in the rather embarrassing moment when they have to cover Scotland and Italy, when they don't even bother to watch or research their clubs\players. Had Glasgow not happened to draw Bath, Barnes wouldn't even have heard of Russell!
Remember Guscott confidently predicting Richie Gray would amount to nothing: "Bambi on ice". Guscott is as bad a pundit as good as he was a player, and that's saying something!
Guscott at least had the grace to admit he was wrong on that
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
For the love of Sean Connery, have we really only won 1 out of the past 15 matches against France?
I should stop looking at 'official stats'. They Officially Depressing.
I should stop looking at 'official stats'. They Officially Depressing.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Great line in the Scotsman describing Cotter:
Anyone seen anything interesting from the press? Just seems to be the usual scripted drivel from what I've seen...
Cotter may look like the family dog just died but having fun is fundamental to his sporting ethos.
Anyone seen anything interesting from the press? Just seems to be the usual scripted drivel from what I've seen...
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
reallybored wrote:Pictures of the training session today showed Harley and Hogg both taking part, which would be a huge boost.
On Beattie Snr's rugby show the other night, Tom English was on there and was asked to pick his starting XV. He included Harley which suggests to me that the ginger one may be fit in time. He also picked Hogg.
That dismal record against the French might be broken on Saturday. We have the players. It's now time for them to stand up.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
RDW_Scotland wrote:Great line in the Scotsman describing Cotter:Cotter may look like the family dog just died but having fun is fundamental to his sporting ethos.
Anyone seen anything interesting from the press? Just seems to be the usual scripted drivel from what I've seen...
The Scotsman's most recent article with Vern suggests that they are waiting on the fitness of a few players befvore announcing the squad. Probably Harley, Hogg and Grant.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
So if fit we will have Cowan Harley Beattie
That's a pretty decent unit
Back up concerns though.......
Who on bench? strokers ?
Brown should really be in there. he can cover 6,7 and at a push 8.
Maybe Blake hits the bench !!
That's a pretty decent unit
Back up concerns though.......
Who on bench? strokers ?
Brown should really be in there. he can cover 6,7 and at a push 8.
Maybe Blake hits the bench !!
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
alive555 wrote:So if fit we will have Cowan Harley Beattie
That's a pretty decent unit
Back up concerns though.......
Who on bench? strokers ?
Brown should really be in there. he can cover 6,7 and at a push 8.
Maybe Blake hits the bench !!
If no Brown and Strokers isn't fit, I would have Watson ahead of Blake - he has been outstanding for Edinburgh this year.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Ha ha,just clicked on the SRU twitter page to be greeted by; 'BREAKING: Uncapped quartet to debut against France', first thoughts were Cotter had gone for Blake and Watson in the back row, Toolis had replaced one of the Grays and Laidlaw had been dropped for SHC, then I scrolled down to see, fortunately, the story was about the women's team....
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
So probably if Harley fit strokers and Watson on bench
Is stokers really the mobile type who cotter seems to favour ? Slightly odd ..
Is stokers really the mobile type who cotter seems to favour ? Slightly odd ..
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Grant is in good shape apparently, and should bench with Dickinson starting. Lots of suggestions about Hogg starting. It's the deafening radio silence about the Bobster that worries me the most. Just do not want Strokosch in there. What a boost that will give the French team, knowing that they're playing against someone who doesn't even compete in the first tier of their domestic league.Captain_Sensible wrote:RDW_Scotland wrote:Great line in the Scotsman describing Cotter:Cotter may look like the family dog just died but having fun is fundamental to his sporting ethos.
Anyone seen anything interesting from the press? Just seems to be the usual scripted drivel from what I've seen...
The Scotsman's most recent article with Vern suggests that they are waiting on the fitness of a few players befvore announcing the squad. Probably Harley, Hogg and Grant.
By the same token, I don't want Harley re-broken and out for the rest of the tournament because he was rushed back.
As the prophet Freddie Mercury said, I want it all. And I want it now.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
George Carlin wrote:For the love of Sean Connery, have we really only won 1 out of the past 15 matches against France?
I should stop looking at 'official stats'. They Officially Depressing.
That is indeed depressing.
Thinking back though, could easily have been 3 / 4 out of 15 had it not been for little moments
Ally Hoggs stud in 2005, the forward pass for Ouedraogo's try in 2009, Weir's interception last year.
So many near misses.
Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
I'm sick of near misses and heroic defeats. Its time to win something. Big Vern has had some time, this is the best group of players for a generation. Get tore intae them! go radge!
Shlong wrote:I'm sick of it - I want to win something, I really do. The players owe it to the coaches and the fans, We need to have a closed-door session and we need to look at each other and say: 'Guys, if you don't want it, don't be here. Somebody else will fill in'.I'm sick of having this year after year, valiant losers or whatever. We need to pull our fingers out, there's been too many years gone by where we've been also-rans. It's not good enough."
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TJ wrote:I'm sick of near misses and heroic defeats. Its time to win something. Big Vern has had some time, this is the best group of players for a generation. Get tore intae them! go radge!Shlong wrote:I'm sick of it - I want to win something, I really do. The players owe it to the coaches and the fans, We need to have a closed-door session and we need to look at each other and say: 'Guys, if you don't want it, don't be here. Somebody else will fill in'.I'm sick of having this year after year, valiant losers or whatever. We need to pull our fingers out, there's been too many years gone by where we've been also-rans. It's not good enough."
Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
We win the best fans each year....
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
One thing to remember is that, for most of Lamont's international career, there have been good reasons why we couldn't compete with the top half a dozen or so countries.
Initially we didn't have the players, particularly in the backs, who were good enough and then in the last couple of years we have had coaching 'issues'.
For at least the next few years we don't have any of those problems. We have a top coach who appears to be playing a decent style of rugby and a lot of players who would be pushing for places in just about any team in the northern hemisphere.
Compare this years likely WC backs of Russell, Scott, Dunbar, Bennett, Hogg, Maitland, Seymour & Visser to 2011's Parks, Morrison, Ansbro, Danielli, Paterson, Evans & Lamont and 2007's Parks, Henderson, Webster ( ), Dewey ( ), Walker, Southwell, Lamont & Paterson.
Some of those guys are obviously decent but most would't get near this years back line.
Initially we didn't have the players, particularly in the backs, who were good enough and then in the last couple of years we have had coaching 'issues'.
For at least the next few years we don't have any of those problems. We have a top coach who appears to be playing a decent style of rugby and a lot of players who would be pushing for places in just about any team in the northern hemisphere.
Compare this years likely WC backs of Russell, Scott, Dunbar, Bennett, Hogg, Maitland, Seymour & Visser to 2011's Parks, Morrison, Ansbro, Danielli, Paterson, Evans & Lamont and 2007's Parks, Henderson, Webster ( ), Dewey ( ), Walker, Southwell, Lamont & Paterson.
Some of those guys are obviously decent but most would't get near this years back line.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
I agree. I think that we are in a brave new world of ability, but how will we hold up mentally to the bizarre notion of expectation? We could win 3-4 games this year or we could lose the lot. Absolutely no idea.
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To win more than 1 we need to win our own scrums. that to me is the big if.
Defence, attack, scoring tries, lineout, kicking is all up there with the other teams. the scrum is a worry
Defence, attack, scoring tries, lineout, kicking is all up there with the other teams. the scrum is a worry
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George Carlin wrote:I agree. I think that we are in a brave new world of ability, but how will we hold up mentally to the bizarre notion of expectation? We could win 3-4 games this year or we could lose the lot. Absolutely no idea.
Yes it is going to be very hard to call this year. We have improved no doubt, but the other sides, with the possible exception of Italy have maintained their level, France, Wales and England, or improved massively, Ireland. I may be that we have to run to stand still this year. We could play much better than last year and still only win one game, which would seem disappointing but probably realistic. To be honest, two wins and decent performances in every game would be good for me and anything else a bonus, this is a young team that should continue to improve for some years to come.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Sorry BG but I have no time for the arguement that, although we have improved, the other nations have as well.
Wales are almost exactly the same as they have been for years although a few of their players have put on a bit of weight from playing in france. We know exactly how Wales will play and our players our used to beating them on a regular basis domestically.
England are a potentially a better team that previous years but they have problems with injury and an unwillingness to pick players in form. They will still be better than us.
Italy are duff.
France have been really bad in the 6 nations for the last 3 years and have coaching issues of their own.
Ireland I will concede are probably better than they were when they won it last year and I think this game and the game at Twickenham will be beyond us. We should be aiming to win the other 3.
Wales are almost exactly the same as they have been for years although a few of their players have put on a bit of weight from playing in france. We know exactly how Wales will play and our players our used to beating them on a regular basis domestically.
England are a potentially a better team that previous years but they have problems with injury and an unwillingness to pick players in form. They will still be better than us.
Italy are duff.
France have been really bad in the 6 nations for the last 3 years and have coaching issues of their own.
Ireland I will concede are probably better than they were when they won it last year and I think this game and the game at Twickenham will be beyond us. We should be aiming to win the other 3.
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Anything less than 3 wins is a failure. expect Shlong to melt down completely
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Weegie Wizard wrote:Sorry BG but I have no time for the arguement that, although we have improved, the other nations have as well.
Wales are almost exactly the same as they have been for years although a few of their players have put on a bit of weight from playing in france. We know exactly how Wales will play and our players our used to beating them on a regular basis domestically.
England are a potentially a better team that previous years but they have problems with injury and an unwillingness to pick players in form. They will still be better than us.
Italy are duff.
France have been really bad in the 6 nations for the last 3 years and have coaching issues of their own.
Ireland I will concede are probably better than they were when they won it last year and I think this game and the game at Twickenham will be beyond us. We should be aiming to win the other 3.
That's true but Wales have had our number quite comfortably for the last wee while. Yes they are predictable but they have also been very effective particularly against Scotland.
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Weegie Wizard wrote:Sorry BG but I have no time for the arguement that, although we have improved, the other nations have as well.
I did not actually say they had all improved, only Ireland are tangibly better, but other than Italy we still have a lot of ground to make up on the others, who are certainly no worse than in previous years when they have stuffed us. Our recent records against all the others is woeful in terms of performance often as well as results. It will take a massive leap of faith to think we are going to turn that around in a year. If we do play to our potential then we will get some results but much as I might dream about it, I am not expecting a championship or a grand slam. In our favour though might be the fact that the other sides may not have noticed that we have improved, we have been crap for a long time now, so why should they!
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
I'm in the pessimistic/realist camp here - to win two games would be an excellent result given our usual showing in the 6N, to win 3 or more would be the best result we've had in 9 years!
Whether we should accept this or not, past results and IRB rankings don't lie - we are the 5th seeded team. To come any higher than that would be a big turn up for the books.
Whether we should accept this or not, past results and IRB rankings don't lie - we are the 5th seeded team. To come any higher than that would be a big turn up for the books.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Weegie Wizard wrote:Sorry BG but I have no time for the arguement that, although we have improved, the other nations have as well.
Wales are almost exactly the same as they have been for years although a few of their players have put on a bit of weight from playing in france. We know exactly how Wales will play and our players our used to beating them on a regular basis domestically.
England are a potentially a better team that previous years but they have problems with injury and an unwillingness to pick players in form. They will still be better than us.
Italy are duff.
France have been really bad in the 6 nations for the last 3 years and have coaching issues of their own.
Ireland I will concede are probably better than they were when they won it last year and I think this game and the game at Twickenham will be beyond us. We should be aiming to win the other 3.
Absolutely spot on. Performance counts for sh!t if we don't win. If you don't win, you haven't performed well enough.
As a minimum, I'd want us to beat Italy well. Beat Wales (like you say, there's no surprise package and Glasgow normally spank the Welsh regions) and one of France away or Ireland at home.
England may be a step too far depending on how many of their players come back.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Tbh I think the Irish will be a step too far as well. The chances are they will be going to MF in the running for the championship and maybe the GS and they don't normally underestimate us.
That's why the game on Saturday is so important. We need to start the game well to disrupt the French and push them to indiscipline but we can't be too loose and give them open play turnovers either. It's going to be a toughy. Will the French play expansively or do a Toulouse?
That's why the game on Saturday is so important. We need to start the game well to disrupt the French and push them to indiscipline but we can't be too loose and give them open play turnovers either. It's going to be a toughy. Will the French play expansively or do a Toulouse?
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Lose to montpellier (Scotland???) ;-)Weegie Wizard wrote:. Will the French play expansively or do a Toulouse?
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I don't think Glasgow's form against the Welsh regions has anything to do with how we will get on against Wales. Let's face it, we've had plenty wins over the Welsh regions over the years, but we haven't beaten Wales since 2006 I don't think...
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
2007 was the last win over the Tom Jones appreciation mob. 21-9 all our points coming form Paterson's boot. Dull but damn I'd take it this year!
Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Weegie Wizard wrote:
That's why the game on Saturday is so important. We need to start the game well to disrupt the French and push them to indiscipline but we can't be too loose and give them open play turnovers either. It's going to be a toughy. Will the French play expansively or do a Toulouse?
I think we need to go out and play some rugby! We need to get the ball away from the breakdown quickly and avoid being drawn into an arm wrestle. That does not mean (eyes on you, weegies - not having Niko will help) chucking the ball about for the banter and forcing offloads that aren't on. By all means take the contact, just make sure there is support. Or be damn well prepared to wrestle about and stay on your feet if isolated - Seymour is very good at this.
Russell does tend to take the right options at least - look at Vernon's try in the Bath game. I am 101% sure that if Weir had taken the ball where Finn did, best case scenario would have been a Bath lineout near their 22. But Finn saw what was in front, ran the curve, drew his man and passed, then kept up with the play to make his second take and offload.
We can not afford to force passes and knock on, they may just kill us in the scrum. On the other hand, kicking for the corners could be lucrative as our lineout is pretty decent and I feel we could disrupt well, possibly steal a few. Also the rush defence can put them under pressure in their 1/3 of the field and try to force errors. This is where Harley will be awesome if fit... who'd want 6'6 of Ginger Boab running down their channel focused only on smashing them.
I hate knowing that, actually, Scotland have some decent players for once. I have no idea what to expect, so as usual I will go with expecting the wooden spoon but hoping for a grand slam Beating the Welsh would be fine in lieu of that though...
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Nothing I have seen so far says we will do any better this year. Our AI were poor again - with only one good win (although we almost threw that away) - a beating by a NZ 3rd team and a terrible half to show for it
I really do not get the optimism from the AI
Edinburgh have been rank but are starting to improve - but from a low base
Glasgow have been good - but without a scrum and failed again to get out of a very manageable group have shown they are not ready to go the extra step
I want us to do well - but have zero expectations of anything but a win against Italy
We have had the 'best group of players' for a couple of years and have not progressed in anything or anywhere
Yes, I am negative, but I am tired - tired of false dawns, tired of gallant losers, tired of being subject to the bounce of the ball, tired of having to explain at work and in the pub that actually we are good, tired of being embarrassed by our team and tired of having to explain who Ickle Jonny is and that he is good
(However i will still be getting my hopes up, drinking beer and hoping I can be proud of our team once again)
I really do not get the optimism from the AI
Edinburgh have been rank but are starting to improve - but from a low base
Glasgow have been good - but without a scrum and failed again to get out of a very manageable group have shown they are not ready to go the extra step
I want us to do well - but have zero expectations of anything but a win against Italy
We have had the 'best group of players' for a couple of years and have not progressed in anything or anywhere
Yes, I am negative, but I am tired - tired of false dawns, tired of gallant losers, tired of being subject to the bounce of the ball, tired of having to explain at work and in the pub that actually we are good, tired of being embarrassed by our team and tired of having to explain who Ickle Jonny is and that he is good
(However i will still be getting my hopes up, drinking beer and hoping I can be proud of our team once again)
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Riskysports wrote:Nothing I have seen so far says we will do any better this year. Our AI were poor again - with only one good win (although we almost threw that away) - a beating by a NZ 3rd team and a terrible half to show for it
I really do not get the optimism from the AI
Edinburgh have been rank but are starting to improve - but from a low base
Glasgow have been good - but without a scrum and failed again to get out of a very manageable group have shown they are not ready to go the extra step
I want us to do well - but have zero expectations of anything but a win against Italy
We have had the 'best group of players' for a couple of years and have not progressed in anything or anywhere
Yes, I am negative, but I am tired - tired of false dawns, tired of gallant losers, tired of being subject to the bounce of the ball, tired of having to explain at work and in the pub that actually we are good, tired of being embarrassed by our team and tired of having to explain who Ickle Jonny is and that he is good
(However i will still be getting my hopes up, drinking beer and hoping I can be proud of our team once again)
Agree with all of that, except I think you're being a little harsh about the AI performance. Good performances against both Argentina and Tonga, albeit their performances weren't very good on those days. We had a good go against the ABs, but everyone will say that was their reserve team.
I agree wholeheartedly with everything else though.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
What do I expect this year? Loads of shouting at the telly, stupid knockons near the line, some great performances. An unexpected win and an unexpected defeat. Tell you want I hope above all else NOT to see - ruddy gallant losers Afrikkingain
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Going to all the home games, I am watching the Wales game with Ms Highlander's parents... Hopefully they won't think any worse of me after seeing the nervous wreck (then angry bar steward) I become!
Unfortunately can't take the edge off with copious amounts of alcohol either, blwddy Sunday game.
Unfortunately can't take the edge off with copious amounts of alcohol either, blwddy Sunday game.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
RDW_Scotland wrote:Riskysports wrote:Nothing I have seen so far says we will do any better this year. Our AI were poor again - with only one good win (although we almost threw that away) - a beating by a NZ 3rd team and a terrible half to show for it
I really do not get the optimism from the AI
Edinburgh have been rank but are starting to improve - but from a low base
Glasgow have been good - but without a scrum and failed again to get out of a very manageable group have shown they are not ready to go the extra step
I want us to do well - but have zero expectations of anything but a win against Italy
We have had the 'best group of players' for a couple of years and have not progressed in anything or anywhere
Yes, I am negative, but I am tired - tired of false dawns, tired of gallant losers, tired of being subject to the bounce of the ball, tired of having to explain at work and in the pub that actually we are good, tired of being embarrassed by our team and tired of having to explain who Ickle Jonny is and that he is good
(However i will still be getting my hopes up, drinking beer and hoping I can be proud of our team once again)
Agree with all of that, except I think you're being a little harsh about the AI performance. Good performances against both Argentina and Tonga, albeit their performances weren't very good on those days. We had a good go against the ABs, but everyone will say that was their reserve team.
I agree wholeheartedly with everything else though.
LOL - i think I am just losing my sense of humor this close to watching us play again :-)
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
RDW_Scotland wrote:I don't think Glasgow's form against the Welsh regions has anything to do with how we will get on against Wales. Let's face it, we've had plenty wins over the Welsh regions over the years, but we haven't beaten Wales since 2006 I don't think...
Aye but there is absolutely no reason for us not to beat Wales. They are not a class above us. We've a poor record against Wales due to a) having a sh!t team, b) having a sh!t coaching team or c) both
We now have none of the above.
As a wee boost to the proceedings, playing Wales with 15 men on the park for the full 80 will also strengthen our cause.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
I think this year should be a real marker of where Scotland is a rugby nation; we have very few excuses; our front row is decent and should gain parity in almost all games, second row is arguably the best in the tournament, and the back row we have so much depth yet almost always manage to screw it up, at 9 we are solid, we have a quality fly-half, 3 of Europe's best centres, and a back three capable of scoring tries from anywhere. We also have a decent coach and seem to have moved away from the idea of a self-destruct button being a necessity. If we have a poor Six Nations we have to stop the pretense that it is circumstance and luck standing in our way.
Anyway this would be my starting team:
1. Grant - It will be Dickinson but I still can't trust him
2. Ford
3. Murray
4. Gray
5. Gray
6. Harley - Would be Brown but Cotter has chosen not to pick him. The Vern giveth and the Vern taketh away
7. Cowan - Same as above but with Barclay
8. Beattie
9. SHC- it will be Laidlaw but I personally think he's too ponderous and not in the same league as Blair or Cusiter
10. Russell
11. Visser
12. Dunbar
13. Bennett
14. Seymour
15. Hogg
16. Dickinson
17. Brown
18. Welsh
19. Hamilton
20. Watson
21. Laidlaw
22. Scott
23. Lamont
Anyway this would be my starting team:
1. Grant - It will be Dickinson but I still can't trust him
2. Ford
3. Murray
4. Gray
5. Gray
6. Harley - Would be Brown but Cotter has chosen not to pick him. The Vern giveth and the Vern taketh away
7. Cowan - Same as above but with Barclay
8. Beattie
9. SHC- it will be Laidlaw but I personally think he's too ponderous and not in the same league as Blair or Cusiter
10. Russell
11. Visser
12. Dunbar
13. Bennett
14. Seymour
15. Hogg
16. Dickinson
17. Brown
18. Welsh
19. Hamilton
20. Watson
21. Laidlaw
22. Scott
23. Lamont
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
123456789 wrote:............. If we have a poor Six Nations we have to stop the pretense that it is circumstance and luck standing in our way.
Wot - no excuses?
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
TJ wrote:123456789 wrote:............. If we have a poor Six Nations we have to stop the pretense that it is circumstance and luck standing in our way.
Wot - no excuses?
I started to realise that my constant stream of: "if the referee hadn't....", "if player X hadn't been injured", "if Player X hadn't been born", "if a certain tanned young man from an English county with a ridiculously inflated sense of self importance hadn't...", "if Scott Johnson had never left said county" etc. were not achieving anything and no longer washed with my English friends and that perhaps more importantly probably couldn't explain 15 years of failure /
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
BigGee, make sure you get in the SDF at least one hour before kick off as they have put some extra security in place for the game.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
This thing is catching on...
"It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan."
"It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan."
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Anyone know what position Replica Breitling Watches plays?
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Not sure, numbers, but I hear he times his tackles pretty well.123456789 wrote:Anyone know what position Replica Breitling Watches plays?
Sorry.
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