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6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
First topic message reminder :
FRANCE v SCOTLAND
Saturday 7 February 2015
KO 17:00 (GMT)/18:00 (local)
Stade de France, Paris
Live on BBC1.
Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU)
Touch Judge 1: Glen Jackson (NZR)
Touch Judge 2: Mike Fraser (NZR)
TMO: George Ayoub (ARU)
A. Teams:
1. France
15 Scott Spedding (Bayonne)
14 Yoann Huget (Toulouse)
13 Mathieu Bastareaud (Toulon)
12 Wesley Fofana (Clermont)
11 Teddy Thomas (Racing Metro)
10 Camille Lopez (Clermont)
09 Rory Kockott (Castres)
01 Alexandre Menini (Toulon)
02 Guilhem Guirado (Toulon)
03 Rabah Slimani (Stade Francais)
04 Pascal Papé (Stade Francais)
05 Yoann Maestri (Toulouse)
06 Thierry Dusautoir (c) (Toulouse)
07 Bernard Le Roux (Racing Metro)
08 Damien Chouly (Clermont )
16 Benjamin Kayser (Clermont)
17 Uini Atonio (La Rochelle)
18 Eddy Ben Arous (Racing Metro)
19 Romain Taofifenua (Toulon)
20 Loann Goujon (La Rochelle)
21 Morgan Parra (Clermont)
22 Rémi Talès (Castres)
23 Rémi Lamerat (Castres)
2. Scotland
15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors)
14 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors)
13 Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors)
12 Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors)
11 Tim Visser (Edinburgh Rugby)
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors)
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester)
1 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby)
2 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby)
3 Euan Murray (Glasgow Warriors)
4 Richie Gray (Castres)
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors)
6 Rob Harley (Glasgow Warriors)
7 Blair Cowan (London Irish)
8 Johnnie Beattie (Castres)
16 Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors)
17 Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors)
18 Geoff Cross (London Irish)
19 Jim Hamilton (Saracens)
20 Alasdair Strokosch (USA Perpignan)
21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby)
22 Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors)
23 Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby)
B. Tournament Form (last 3 games):
1. France
15/3/14 - France 20 - 22 Ireland
8/3/14 - Scotland 17 - 19 France
21/2/14 - Wales 27 - 6 France
2. Scotland
15/3/14 - Wales 51 - 3 Scotland
8/3/14 - Scotland 17 - 19 France
22/2/14 - Italy 20 - 21 Scotland
C. Head to Head:
87 Played 87
50 Wins 34
34 Losses 50
3 Draws 3
153 Tries 132
78 Conversions 70
119 Penalties 127
28 Drop Goals 15
1,228 Points 1,049
FRANCE v SCOTLAND
Saturday 7 February 2015
KO 17:00 (GMT)/18:00 (local)
Stade de France, Paris
Live on BBC1.
Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU)
Touch Judge 1: Glen Jackson (NZR)
Touch Judge 2: Mike Fraser (NZR)
TMO: George Ayoub (ARU)
A. Teams:
1. France
15 Scott Spedding (Bayonne)
14 Yoann Huget (Toulouse)
13 Mathieu Bastareaud (Toulon)
12 Wesley Fofana (Clermont)
11 Teddy Thomas (Racing Metro)
10 Camille Lopez (Clermont)
09 Rory Kockott (Castres)
01 Alexandre Menini (Toulon)
02 Guilhem Guirado (Toulon)
03 Rabah Slimani (Stade Francais)
04 Pascal Papé (Stade Francais)
05 Yoann Maestri (Toulouse)
06 Thierry Dusautoir (c) (Toulouse)
07 Bernard Le Roux (Racing Metro)
08 Damien Chouly (Clermont )
16 Benjamin Kayser (Clermont)
17 Uini Atonio (La Rochelle)
18 Eddy Ben Arous (Racing Metro)
19 Romain Taofifenua (Toulon)
20 Loann Goujon (La Rochelle)
21 Morgan Parra (Clermont)
22 Rémi Talès (Castres)
23 Rémi Lamerat (Castres)
2. Scotland
15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors)
14 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors)
13 Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors)
12 Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors)
11 Tim Visser (Edinburgh Rugby)
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors)
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester)
1 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby)
2 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby)
3 Euan Murray (Glasgow Warriors)
4 Richie Gray (Castres)
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors)
6 Rob Harley (Glasgow Warriors)
7 Blair Cowan (London Irish)
8 Johnnie Beattie (Castres)
16 Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors)
17 Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors)
18 Geoff Cross (London Irish)
19 Jim Hamilton (Saracens)
20 Alasdair Strokosch (USA Perpignan)
21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby)
22 Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors)
23 Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby)
B. Tournament Form (last 3 games):
1. France
15/3/14 - France 20 - 22 Ireland
8/3/14 - Scotland 17 - 19 France
21/2/14 - Wales 27 - 6 France
2. Scotland
15/3/14 - Wales 51 - 3 Scotland
8/3/14 - Scotland 17 - 19 France
22/2/14 - Italy 20 - 21 Scotland
C. Head to Head:
87 Played 87
50 Wins 34
34 Losses 50
3 Draws 3
153 Tries 132
78 Conversions 70
119 Penalties 127
28 Drop Goals 15
1,228 Points 1,049
Last edited by George Carlin on Thu 05 Feb 2015, 12:03 pm; edited 3 times in total
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Scotland player stats:
http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/matchcentre/match_centre.php?section=playstatsaway&fixid=183800
Some selected ones:
1. Most tackles made:
Ickle Jonny - 19
Cowan - 14
Dunbar - 11
Ford/Beattie/Russell - 10
[Visser - tackles attempted 3, tackles missed 3]
2. Most turnovers won
Cowan 3
Russell/Dunbar - 2
Ickle Jon/Beattie/Bennett - 1
3. Lineout steals
Ickle Jon - 2
4. Penalties conceded
Cowan - 3
Bennett - 2
Gray/Beattie/Dickinson/Dunbar - 1
http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/matchcentre/match_centre.php?section=playstatsaway&fixid=183800
Some selected ones:
1. Most tackles made:
Ickle Jonny - 19
Cowan - 14
Dunbar - 11
Ford/Beattie/Russell - 10
[Visser - tackles attempted 3, tackles missed 3]
2. Most turnovers won
Cowan 3
Russell/Dunbar - 2
Ickle Jon/Beattie/Bennett - 1
3. Lineout steals
Ickle Jon - 2
4. Penalties conceded
Cowan - 3
Bennett - 2
Gray/Beattie/Dickinson/Dunbar - 1
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
That was a massive shift from Ickle Jonny, his older brother was as good as in his time with Glasgow. I have said it yesterday but Glasgow needs to sign Richie for next season as soon as possible and give some faith to the Glasgow fans after all the departures.
Bindside a bit of a worry, Big Bad Bob looked a bit off the pace which is understandable and Strokosch doesn't add much in terms of ball carrying. Maybe time to recall Kelly Brown? don't see many other options with Denton and Ashe both injured and Wilson more interested in street fighting.
Bindside a bit of a worry, Big Bad Bob looked a bit off the pace which is understandable and Strokosch doesn't add much in terms of ball carrying. Maybe time to recall Kelly Brown? don't see many other options with Denton and Ashe both injured and Wilson more interested in street fighting.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
There's just no place for a streetfighting man.
Must be true. The philosopher Jagger doth spake it.
Must be true. The philosopher Jagger doth spake it.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Well, I have taken some time to let the dust settle and to speak calmly;
Tim feccin Visser Feccin Visser Visser fecc
It simply is not acceptable, he patently does not want to tackle. His attempted interception was solely to save himself the embarrassment of being 1:1 with Huget and being publically humiliated.
Before anyone accuses me of west coast bias let me point out that for most of the game Feccin Visser defended narrow and very close to Bennett: this meant Hogg was coming into the line to mark Huget. Correct me if I'm wrong but that whole strategy seems to be devised in order to allow Frillyknickers to abstain from any physical contact with the opposition. Don't get me started on his shoulder charge That was simply embarrassing. That was a man turning away from contact but still trying to look as if he was doing something.
I think that in terms of effort and guts that was a fantastic performance from everyone in a Scotland jersey with one notable exception.
Schlong, NoMaits, And Drum or even GC's Mildly Racist Uncle I don't really care who just not McFrillyKnickers.
Tim feccin Visser Feccin Visser Visser fecc
It simply is not acceptable, he patently does not want to tackle. His attempted interception was solely to save himself the embarrassment of being 1:1 with Huget and being publically humiliated.
Before anyone accuses me of west coast bias let me point out that for most of the game Feccin Visser defended narrow and very close to Bennett: this meant Hogg was coming into the line to mark Huget. Correct me if I'm wrong but that whole strategy seems to be devised in order to allow Frillyknickers to abstain from any physical contact with the opposition. Don't get me started on his shoulder charge That was simply embarrassing. That was a man turning away from contact but still trying to look as if he was doing something.
I think that in terms of effort and guts that was a fantastic performance from everyone in a Scotland jersey with one notable exception.
Schlong, NoMaits, And Drum or even GC's Mildly Racist Uncle I don't really care who just not McFrillyKnickers.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
One of the most disappointing things about yesterday was the 8 missed points from kicks at goal in the first half; Hogg's penalty miss, Laidlaw's conversion miss and Russell's drop goal miss, we would have won by a point if they had all been scored.
Not one kickable penalty opportunity in the second half, can't honesty believe that the French didn't commit any breakdown penalties in that period.
Not one kickable penalty opportunity in the second half, can't honesty believe that the French didn't commit any breakdown penalties in that period.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
MacKnocked-on wrote:One of the most disappointing things about yesterday was the 8 missed points from kicks at goal in the first half; Hogg's penalty miss, Laidlaw's conversion miss and Russell's drop goal miss, we would have won by a point if they had all been scored.
Not one kickable penalty opportunity in the second half, can't honesty believe that the French didn't commit any breakdown penalties in that period.
We probably did commit but there were mainly in your own half...
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
jimbopip wrote:Well, I have taken some time to let the dust settle and to speak calmly;
Tim feccin Visser Feccin Visser Visser fecc
It simply is not acceptable, he patently does not want to tackle. His attempted interception was solely to save himself the embarrassment of being 1:1 with Huget and being publically humiliated.
Before anyone accuses me of west coast bias let me point out that for most of the game Feccin Visser defended narrow and very close to Bennett: this meant Hogg was coming into the line to mark Huget. Correct me if I'm wrong but that whole strategy seems to be devised in order to allow Frillyknickers to abstain from any physical contact with the opposition. Don't get me started on his shoulder charge That was simply embarrassing. That was a man turning away from contact but still trying to look as if he was doing something.
I think that in terms of effort and guts that was a fantastic performance from everyone in a Scotland jersey with one notable exception.
Schlong, NoMaits, And Drum or even GC's Mildly Racist Uncle I don't really care who just not McFrillyKnickers.
Balanced as always. Any comment on Johnnie Beattie's performance? He was comfortably our worst performer. I know he used to play for Glasgow....
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Visser was poor it has to be said. Seems to have lost confidence since breaking his leg. His tackling attempts were poor to say the least
Beattie poor as well - lost the ball in contact too often but did make some yards
Beattie poor as well - lost the ball in contact too often but did make some yards
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Just about returned heart rate to normal after that. It was a very good and entertaining game!
Scotland fronted up well in the backs, and the forwards didn't suffer the manshaming we feared. But yet again we were undone by our own stupidity. Anyone blaming Owens should look at what the penalties were for. Many of them were simply for idiocy - Gray unnecessarily coming in the side. Fife throwing the ball away (although I still don't quite get what that penalty was for, but if it's illegal then it was stupid and unnecessary). Forwards running into contact with men outside and getting isolated. Then there's Beattie dropping the ball every other time he got it, and Hogg's kick out on the full. We simply didn't keep possession long enough to build pressure without finding a silly way to give it away.
And why go for a droppy 10 mins in when we have pressure on their line? Russell was too close to the ruck to make a decent go of it. Likewise with Hogg's penalty from our own half. I understand the take points when they are on offer mantra, but I'd think that "on offer" means 85%+ chance of making it; that was too risky a kick for my liking. And why did Euan Murray keep showing up on the wing?? He did alright for the try at least.
Beattie was disappointing but we don't really have anyone else to go to for the Wales game unfortunately. Calls for Ally Hogg again? Beattie's dropped balls were a killer, and he kept getting driven back in contact. In a back row with a balance like we played we really could do with a big brute of an 8, in the Vunipola/Nick Williams mould - Strauss can't come soon enough.
Saying that, the backs were very good as a whole. Kicks out on the full aside, Hogg was magnificent and really looked up for it (in a different way to last year's Wales game of course).
Bennett made a good impact, picking up his club form after a nervy debut in the Autumn.
Visser was meh. His near interception was worth going for and I don't think we can criticise him for it it apart for not quite making it! I was disappointed in the first half when Hogg was bearing down on the line with Visser outside, think it was in the run-up to the try, Viss just seemed to overrun him a bit whereas if he'd stayed just a foot then he would have been able to either take the ball if Hoggy got it away, and if not he could have cleared and got very quick ball for the next phase. We still got the try in the end though.
Laidlaw was so-so as well, he lacked the zip and speed of pass from the autumn, he was back to crabbling a little and never tried to snipe. If he's not doing that then we need to consider looking elsewhere and using the bench to mix things up.
At the end of the day France deserved to win because they bossed the breakdown as you'd expect with a team of immovable objects to protect the ball and our tendency to brainfart. We'll need to get smarter against Wales and simply support better, be quicker to the breakdown.
As an aside, Ms Highlander enjoyed the game purely for ogling Scott Spedding and Rory Kockott. She wasn't as interested in Bastareaud though. Should I refrain from any future trips to South Africa in future?!
Scotland fronted up well in the backs, and the forwards didn't suffer the manshaming we feared. But yet again we were undone by our own stupidity. Anyone blaming Owens should look at what the penalties were for. Many of them were simply for idiocy - Gray unnecessarily coming in the side. Fife throwing the ball away (although I still don't quite get what that penalty was for, but if it's illegal then it was stupid and unnecessary). Forwards running into contact with men outside and getting isolated. Then there's Beattie dropping the ball every other time he got it, and Hogg's kick out on the full. We simply didn't keep possession long enough to build pressure without finding a silly way to give it away.
And why go for a droppy 10 mins in when we have pressure on their line? Russell was too close to the ruck to make a decent go of it. Likewise with Hogg's penalty from our own half. I understand the take points when they are on offer mantra, but I'd think that "on offer" means 85%+ chance of making it; that was too risky a kick for my liking. And why did Euan Murray keep showing up on the wing?? He did alright for the try at least.
Beattie was disappointing but we don't really have anyone else to go to for the Wales game unfortunately. Calls for Ally Hogg again? Beattie's dropped balls were a killer, and he kept getting driven back in contact. In a back row with a balance like we played we really could do with a big brute of an 8, in the Vunipola/Nick Williams mould - Strauss can't come soon enough.
Saying that, the backs were very good as a whole. Kicks out on the full aside, Hogg was magnificent and really looked up for it (in a different way to last year's Wales game of course).
Bennett made a good impact, picking up his club form after a nervy debut in the Autumn.
Visser was meh. His near interception was worth going for and I don't think we can criticise him for it it apart for not quite making it! I was disappointed in the first half when Hogg was bearing down on the line with Visser outside, think it was in the run-up to the try, Viss just seemed to overrun him a bit whereas if he'd stayed just a foot then he would have been able to either take the ball if Hoggy got it away, and if not he could have cleared and got very quick ball for the next phase. We still got the try in the end though.
Laidlaw was so-so as well, he lacked the zip and speed of pass from the autumn, he was back to crabbling a little and never tried to snipe. If he's not doing that then we need to consider looking elsewhere and using the bench to mix things up.
At the end of the day France deserved to win because they bossed the breakdown as you'd expect with a team of immovable objects to protect the ball and our tendency to brainfart. We'll need to get smarter against Wales and simply support better, be quicker to the breakdown.
As an aside, Ms Highlander enjoyed the game purely for ogling Scott Spedding and Rory Kockott. She wasn't as interested in Bastareaud though. Should I refrain from any future trips to South Africa in future?!
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
funnyExiledScot wrote:jimbopip wrote:Well, I have taken some time to let the dust settle and to speak calmly;
Tim feccin Visser Feccin Visser Visser fecc
It simply is not acceptable, he patently does not want to tackle. His attempted interception was solely to save himself the embarrassment of being 1:1 with Huget and being publically humiliated.
Before anyone accuses me of west coast bias let me point out that for most of the game Feccin Visser defended narrow and very close to Bennett: this meant Hogg was coming into the line to mark Huget. Correct me if I'm wrong but that whole strategy seems to be devised in order to allow Frillyknickers to abstain from any physical contact with the opposition. Don't get me started on his shoulder charge That was simply embarrassing. That was a man turning away from contact but still trying to look as if he was doing something.
I think that in terms of effort and guts that was a fantastic performance from everyone in a Scotland jersey with one notable exception.
Schlong, NoMaits, And Drum or even GC's Mildly Racist Uncle I don't really care who just not McFrillyKnickers.
Balanced as always. Any comment on Johnnie Beattie's performance? He was comfortably our worst performer. I know he used to play for Glasgow....
Fes, on current form Beattie is way down on my list of possible no8's. Possibly eighth or ninth choice: behind Batman and Barclay to be frank. However, all the things he got wrong yesterday are things that in the past he has excelled at, so it's loss of form or appetite NOT a pathologic fear of contact.
There is a difference; one is a very good rugby player who is probably on the downslope and the other one is a big frillyknickers who thinks that as long as he can run in tries he doesn't need to do any of that other, nasty grabbing and brawling stuff.
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Really? Club allegiance doesn't even cross my mind when praising or criticising players.funnyExiledScot wrote:jimbopip wrote:Well, I have taken some time to let the dust settle and to speak calmly;
Tim feccin Visser Feccin Visser Visser fecc
It simply is not acceptable, he patently does not want to tackle. His attempted interception was solely to save himself the embarrassment of being 1:1 with Huget and being publically humiliated.
Before anyone accuses me of west coast bias let me point out that for most of the game Feccin Visser defended narrow and very close to Bennett: this meant Hogg was coming into the line to mark Huget. Correct me if I'm wrong but that whole strategy seems to be devised in order to allow Frillyknickers to abstain from any physical contact with the opposition. Don't get me started on his shoulder charge That was simply embarrassing. That was a man turning away from contact but still trying to look as if he was doing something.
I think that in terms of effort and guts that was a fantastic performance from everyone in a Scotland jersey with one notable exception.
Schlong, NoMaits, And Drum or even GC's Mildly Racist Uncle I don't really care who just not McFrillyKnickers.
Balanced as always. Any comment on Johnnie Beattie's performance? He was comfortably our worst performer. I know he used to play for Glasgow....
How can it? Why should it? It is pointless. I mean, quite literally without a point.
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The injury list from last nights game is worrying. Uncle Dougie better start looking out his boots.
http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/15/02/08/scotland-squad-update
http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/15/02/08/scotland-squad-update
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
I managed to take this Instagram snap at just the moment that I broke this news to him:cakeordeath wrote:The injury list from last nights game is worrying. Uncle Dougie better start looking out his boots.
http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/15/02/08/scotland-squad-update
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Well just back from Paris and I would say to you all, if you ever get the chance to go to an international at the Stade de France, then don't pass it up. This was a bit out of the blue for me and I was a bit hesitant at first, partly because I was not sure if my dad was up to it, but happy to report that the old trouper got through it just fine. Listening to 80,000 Frenchmen, mixed in with plenty of kilties as well, belting out the Marseilles with extra passion following recent events, was one of my great rugby experiences and I was at Murrayfield in 1990!
What can I report about it.
1. The Stad is a magnificent stadium. It is new, modern and has fantastic sight lines. Anyone who does not think that Hampden should not be flattened and rebuilt, preferably with a roof, should go visit.
2. The beer at the ground is astronomically expensive. You just have to tell yourself that this is a one off and pay up. Everyone else was drinking now and worrying about it later.
3. The toilets were indeed awful, more by their lack of numbers, than their design. Did they not think that 80,000 people at a rugby match might drink a lot of beer and need to pee a lot!
4. The French crowd were friendly and generous and very happy to engage in banter. They support their team but like good rugby and Scotland played plenty of that.
5. National stereotypes are plentiful, the man behind us cried 'oh la la' every time Scotland looked dangerous. Lots of them started smoking at half time and the parking (or perhaps abandonment of cars might be a better way of putting it) around the ground was something to behold.
6 I was proud of the way Scotland played, though they did not quite manage to kick on from the end of the first half. The French bench seemed to make the difference and they had the momentum in the second half, even though we still looked dangerous at times. It was a close game that could have gone either way but France probably just shaded it. If we play like that again though, we will win games.
I will stick to my pre match prediction that I will be happy with two wins and good performances. That was not our strongest team and it was very inexperienced. The passion and ambition they played with were commendable and will surely get results at some stage.
I am looking forward to watching the game on TV now and also looking forward to next week. If we win then, we are definitely still in the mix this year.
What can I report about it.
1. The Stad is a magnificent stadium. It is new, modern and has fantastic sight lines. Anyone who does not think that Hampden should not be flattened and rebuilt, preferably with a roof, should go visit.
2. The beer at the ground is astronomically expensive. You just have to tell yourself that this is a one off and pay up. Everyone else was drinking now and worrying about it later.
3. The toilets were indeed awful, more by their lack of numbers, than their design. Did they not think that 80,000 people at a rugby match might drink a lot of beer and need to pee a lot!
4. The French crowd were friendly and generous and very happy to engage in banter. They support their team but like good rugby and Scotland played plenty of that.
5. National stereotypes are plentiful, the man behind us cried 'oh la la' every time Scotland looked dangerous. Lots of them started smoking at half time and the parking (or perhaps abandonment of cars might be a better way of putting it) around the ground was something to behold.
6 I was proud of the way Scotland played, though they did not quite manage to kick on from the end of the first half. The French bench seemed to make the difference and they had the momentum in the second half, even though we still looked dangerous at times. It was a close game that could have gone either way but France probably just shaded it. If we play like that again though, we will win games.
I will stick to my pre match prediction that I will be happy with two wins and good performances. That was not our strongest team and it was very inexperienced. The passion and ambition they played with were commendable and will surely get results at some stage.
I am looking forward to watching the game on TV now and also looking forward to next week. If we win then, we are definitely still in the mix this year.
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Great stuff Gee - props to your old man.
That's the sort of 80 year old that I would like to be.
That's the sort of 80 year old that I would like to be.
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cakeordeath wrote:The injury list from last nights game is worrying. Uncle Dougie better start looking out his boots.
http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/15/02/08/scotland-squad-update
That is a concern. We certainly need our two centres and Harley fit for Wales. Seymour is a loss but Fife is a better player than the one we saw on Saturday and has earned his chance to play for Scotland through consistent good form in club colours.
On Beattie I think we're stuck with him for now. Hopefully he'll be under no illusions that another performance like that should finish his international career. He was the designated ball carrier and dropped the ball on almost every contact, and just ran side ways the whole time. Dreadful. Pick up the phone to Ali Hogg I say!
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
My player ratings for Scotland:
1.Dickinson - 6
Solid in the scrum and around the park. Perhaps not quite hitting club form, and I had hoped for a little more.
2. Ford - 6
Similar to Dickinson, not quite hitting club form but some decent carries in the loose.
3. Murray - 6
Scrummaging look strong enough and showed up in the loose. Not coming into the game on great form so my expectations were lower that for his front row colleagues but he matched them on the day, even delivering a scoring pass.
4. J Gray - 8
Epic work rate and great all round showing.
5. R Gray - 8
Stats not matching his little bro but he's probably more effective in what he does so catches the eye. This could be a really great partnership.
6. Harley - 6
Not fully fit but still big on effort and put in some important hits. We can't get him back to full fitness soon enough.
7. Cowan - 7
This guy is good. Missed one chance to put the ball through the hands but he's a great foil for Harley and really makes a pest of himself at the breakdown.
8. Beattie - 3
Total liability. A ball carrying number 8 who can't run straight or take contact. A huge fall from the wonderful rugby he produced before leaving Scotland.
9. Laidlaw - 6
Some handling errors and a missed kick, but otherwise serviceable. He can do so much better.
10. Russell - 7
I like this guy. Full of beans and self-confidence. Obviously some rough edges to smooth out over time but another step in the right direction and he drew great praise from Castagneide in the commentary.
11. Visser - 5
Ball never really came his way and he didn't contribute much in defence. Needs to get more involved in attack coming off his wing. We're not picking him to ruck and tackle, we're picking him to get people on their feet when he gets the ball and because he's the best finisher in Scottish rugby by a distance. He needs the ball though, and to tackle for Scotland like he had for Edinburgh this season.
12. Dunbar - 7
Really strong and solid which is what we've come to expect.
13. Bennett - 8
Some really nice touches and full of confidence. Needs a proper run at 13 now ahead of the World Cup.
14. Fife (Seymour not on long enough) - 6
Took his try but some basic errors made. Worth sticking with unless Seymour and Maitland recover.
15. Hogg - 9
MOTM. Absolute class in attack. I was begging for the French to keep kicking the ball!
1.Dickinson - 6
Solid in the scrum and around the park. Perhaps not quite hitting club form, and I had hoped for a little more.
2. Ford - 6
Similar to Dickinson, not quite hitting club form but some decent carries in the loose.
3. Murray - 6
Scrummaging look strong enough and showed up in the loose. Not coming into the game on great form so my expectations were lower that for his front row colleagues but he matched them on the day, even delivering a scoring pass.
4. J Gray - 8
Epic work rate and great all round showing.
5. R Gray - 8
Stats not matching his little bro but he's probably more effective in what he does so catches the eye. This could be a really great partnership.
6. Harley - 6
Not fully fit but still big on effort and put in some important hits. We can't get him back to full fitness soon enough.
7. Cowan - 7
This guy is good. Missed one chance to put the ball through the hands but he's a great foil for Harley and really makes a pest of himself at the breakdown.
8. Beattie - 3
Total liability. A ball carrying number 8 who can't run straight or take contact. A huge fall from the wonderful rugby he produced before leaving Scotland.
9. Laidlaw - 6
Some handling errors and a missed kick, but otherwise serviceable. He can do so much better.
10. Russell - 7
I like this guy. Full of beans and self-confidence. Obviously some rough edges to smooth out over time but another step in the right direction and he drew great praise from Castagneide in the commentary.
11. Visser - 5
Ball never really came his way and he didn't contribute much in defence. Needs to get more involved in attack coming off his wing. We're not picking him to ruck and tackle, we're picking him to get people on their feet when he gets the ball and because he's the best finisher in Scottish rugby by a distance. He needs the ball though, and to tackle for Scotland like he had for Edinburgh this season.
12. Dunbar - 7
Really strong and solid which is what we've come to expect.
13. Bennett - 8
Some really nice touches and full of confidence. Needs a proper run at 13 now ahead of the World Cup.
14. Fife (Seymour not on long enough) - 6
Took his try but some basic errors made. Worth sticking with unless Seymour and Maitland recover.
15. Hogg - 9
MOTM. Absolute class in attack. I was begging for the French to keep kicking the ball!
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Fife deserves another chance, he has been playing well and is very inexperienced at this level. Visser was more disappointing to me, both watching live and having just seen it on TV.
I have to say having just watched it that Hogg, Bennett, Dunbar and Russell all had great games.
Considering their fitness issues, Harley and Hogg did really well. I would go so far as to say that was Hogg's best game for Scotland. There was just the beginning of the worry that he might be a player who never really produced what he is really capable of. His form has been patchy for club and country for a little while now. Maybe he has realised that and wants to put the record straight.
There were far more positives than negatives from that game, but they will count for nothing if we don't beat Wales next week. There was a lot of character on display out there yesterday, they did not look happy to have lost a game they could have won. If they can maintain that belief then the future is good.
I have to say having just watched it that Hogg, Bennett, Dunbar and Russell all had great games.
Considering their fitness issues, Harley and Hogg did really well. I would go so far as to say that was Hogg's best game for Scotland. There was just the beginning of the worry that he might be a player who never really produced what he is really capable of. His form has been patchy for club and country for a little while now. Maybe he has realised that and wants to put the record straight.
There were far more positives than negatives from that game, but they will count for nothing if we don't beat Wales next week. There was a lot of character on display out there yesterday, they did not look happy to have lost a game they could have won. If they can maintain that belief then the future is good.
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For those of you who haven't yet, watch the 2 minute interview with Finn Russell immediately after the game on the BBC website.
He was clearly disappointed that they'd lost but correctly said that there had been 'too many Scottish mistakes'. The key moment was when the interviewer asked him about how physical it had been. He smiled and said that whilst there were a lot of big guys running at him, it had been "good fun".
Now THAT'S what I want in a 10 and I also think it's what Vern Cotter is all about. Feck all of the hand wringing - get out there and enjoy giving it a lash.
He was clearly disappointed that they'd lost but correctly said that there had been 'too many Scottish mistakes'. The key moment was when the interviewer asked him about how physical it had been. He smiled and said that whilst there were a lot of big guys running at him, it had been "good fun".
Now THAT'S what I want in a 10 and I also think it's what Vern Cotter is all about. Feck all of the hand wringing - get out there and enjoy giving it a lash.
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George Carlin wrote:For those of you who haven't yet, watch the 2 minute interview with Finn Russell immediately after the game on the BBC website.
He was clearly disappointed that they'd lost but correctly said that there had been 'too many Scottish mistakes'. The key moment was when the interviewer asked him about how physical it had been. He smiled and said that whilst there were a lot of big guys running at him, it had been "good fun".
Now THAT'S what I want in a 10 and I also think it's what Vern Cotter is all about. Feck all of the hand wringing - get out there and enjoy giving it a lash.
Aye saw that, and to be honest he didn't look all that disappointed (I'm sure he was), he just looked like a kid who was doing something they loved and was enjoying every minute of it. Good on him.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
He's got a great attitude Finn Russell but most importantly no small amount of skill. He has the courage to take the ball flat and draw defenders to him, plus the footwork to evade heavy traffic.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
How long since we had a decent 10? I can't remember? Even Townsend was flaky - he would make dreadful howlers almost as often as he would make sublime plays - or Chalmers - steady and worthy but hardly inspiring.
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Toonie was the 10 in a winning Lions test series - that makes him decent.
Chalmers was in a 5Nations grand slam side. That makes him decent too.
But the last truly great 10 was the first I remember watching - John Rutherford.
Chalmers was in a 5Nations grand slam side. That makes him decent too.
But the last truly great 10 was the first I remember watching - John Rutherford.
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1987 he retired - thats a long long time ago.
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Yes, well some of us here are knocking on a bit.TJ wrote:1987 he retired - thats a long long time ago.
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George Carlin wrote:Yes, well some of us here are knocking on a bit.TJ wrote:1987 he retired - thats a long long time ago.
I saw my first calcutta match in the mid 70s - just to make you feel better
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I have no idea what a cassette player is.
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Anything more modern than a dansette too hi tech for you?
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I love how the media spend every second word in the build up emphasizing how inexperienced the England team in the backs) were - yet no mention to the fact that Scotland had less caps in the backs so even less experienced
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IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
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George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
Apple Products?
I'd rather die in a fire than use apple products.
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The only Apple product I have is the apple in my lunch box.
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RuggerRadge2611 wrote:George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
Apple Products?
I'd rather die in a fire than use apple products.
what if it was an ifireextinguisher
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That's a remarkably (and worryingly) accurate summation of my existence. What's worse is that despite my enthusiasm, I have yet to learn how to enjoy any of these responsibly. I was hoping Jimbo and Schiz would teach me, but they just stood back and laughed.George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
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IanBru wrote:That's a remarkably (and worryingly) accurate summation of my existence. What's worse is that despite my enthusiasm, I have yet to learn how to enjoy any of these responsibly. I was hoping Jimbo and Schiz would teach me, but they just stood back and laughed.George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
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Can I just post this again, because it makes me laugh every time:
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Is that Uncle Dougie??
Is that hat not a tad "ethnic" for his tastes??
Is that hat not a tad "ethnic" for his tastes??
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But you must admit, young Bru-ster, the look on your face when the good Lady Schiz offered to show you the correct way to zip up the Red Crayon suit was worth a giggle.funnyExiledScot wrote:IanBru wrote:That's a remarkably (and worryingly) accurate summation of my existence. What's worse is that despite my enthusiasm, I have yet to learn how to enjoy any of these responsibly. I was hoping Jimbo and Schiz would teach me, but they just stood back and laughed.George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
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Guys. I need some assistance.
With regards to us inpregbating athletic woman of the world, ive hit a stumbling block.
The only websites GC could point me to were www.phillipinowives.com and www.meloveyoulongtime.com
Both of these sites have ladies that are only 5ft3 on average!
Anyone know any better sites? FES, I'm looking at you!
With regards to us inpregbating athletic woman of the world, ive hit a stumbling block.
The only websites GC could point me to were www.phillipinowives.com and www.meloveyoulongtime.com
Both of these sites have ladies that are only 5ft3 on average!
Anyone know any better sites? FES, I'm looking at you!
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
tigertattie wrote:Guys. I need some assistance.
With regards to us inpregbating athletic woman of the world, ive hit a stumbling block.
The only websites GC could point me to were www.phillipinowives.com and www.meloveyoulongtime.com
Both of these sites have ladies that are only 5ft3 on average!
Anyone know any better sites? FES, I'm looking at you!
They're a bit tall
If u want to get truly ambitious go to Angeles city
There I understand u have willing ladies (read tatooed monkeys) coming in at the sub 4ft mark , cheap to run and keen to please.
Im reliably informed the establishments like to hire doormen who are mainly midgets, so if u get in a scrap u can jump over them on the way out assuming you're over 4 ft yourself.
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Woah, how come I've been roped into this discussion!??
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
alive555 wrote:tigertattie wrote:Guys. I need some assistance.
With regards to us inpregbating athletic woman of the world, ive hit a stumbling block.
The only websites GC could point me to were www.phillipinowives.com and www.meloveyoulongtime.com
Both of these sites have ladies that are only 5ft3 on average!
Anyone know any better sites? FES, I'm looking at you!
They're a bit tall
If u want to get truly ambitious go to Angeles city
There I understand u have willing ladies (read tatooed monkeys) coming in at the sub 4ft mark , cheap to run and keen to please.
Im reliably informed the establishments like to hire doormen who are mainly midgets, so if u get in a scrap u can jump over them on the way out assuming you're over 4 ft yourself.
is that not a favourite haunt of certain England players for throwing practice???
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Lol. Nice one highland
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Just think, if it hadn't been for her timely input, I wouldn't have known to put that thing in the other, smaller thing, and then straighten up and just go with it.jimbopip wrote:But you must admit, young Bru-ster, the look on your face when the good Lady Schiz offered to show you the correct way to zip up the Red Crayon suit was worth a giggle.funnyExiledScot wrote:IanBru wrote:That's a remarkably (and worryingly) accurate summation of my existence. What's worse is that despite my enthusiasm, I have yet to learn how to enjoy any of these responsibly. I was hoping Jimbo and Schiz would teach me, but they just stood back and laughed.George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
I probably shouldn't have done it on Byres Road on a Saturday afternoon though. That... that was a mistake.
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That joke really did not get the credit it deserved.Riskysports wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
Apple Products?
I'd rather die in a fire than use apple products.
what if it was an ifireextinguisher
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George Carlin wrote:That joke really did not get the credit it deserved.Riskysports wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
Apple Products?
I'd rather die in a fire than use apple products.
what if it was an ifireextinguisher
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Excited to see Hogg this weekend, looked very sharp last weekend despite being out for 3/4 weeks and I'm sure he'll want to prove a point after what happened in Cardiff last year.
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Re: 6N Round 1: France v Scotland, 7 February
Riskysports wrote:George Carlin wrote:That joke really did not get the credit it deserved.Riskysports wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
Apple Products?
I'd rather die in a fire than use apple products.
what if it was an ifireextinguisher
Don't encourage him in GC. He won't learn if he gets sympathy
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reallybored wrote:Excited to see Hogg this weekend, looked very sharp last weekend despite being out for 3/4 weeks and I'm sure he'll want to prove a point after what happened in Cardiff last year.
I hope so. I suspect he'll also want to show Gatland that he's a decent 15, and not a stand-off!
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IanBru wrote:Just think, if it hadn't been for her timely input, I wouldn't have known to put that thing in the other, smaller thing, and then straighten up and just go with it.jimbopip wrote:But you must admit, young Bru-ster, the look on your face when the good Lady Schiz offered to show you the correct way to zip up the Red Crayon suit was worth a giggle.funnyExiledScot wrote:IanBru wrote:That's a remarkably (and worryingly) accurate summation of my existence. What's worse is that despite my enthusiasm, I have yet to learn how to enjoy any of these responsibly. I was hoping Jimbo and Schiz would teach me, but they just stood back and laughed.George Carlin wrote:IanBru wrote:I have no idea whata cassette player islife is about in the slightest if it doesn't involve girls, booze or Apple product consumption.
Commendably honest, young Bru. Rest assured that you're not alone amongst your peers.
I probably shouldn't have done it on Byres Road on a Saturday afternoon though. That... that was a mistake.
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Yes it was but at 2 in the morning when a young lady says, "Now give me your meat" going to a kebab shop just off Byres Road was also asking for trouble, was it not?"
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