Froch to vacate, Degale vs Groves late spring - who wins?

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Carl "Trench Warrior" Froch is due to vacate the IBF alphabet title he holds which paves the way for Degale vs Groves later this spring. Appears that Groves also has a few childish issues with Eddie Hearn as well:

"Wow, Eddie Hearn can talk some waffle. James DeGale in a 50/50. I haven’t lost a round in my last two fights"

You did suffer the knockout of the year though George in the fight before that and looked crap when coming back.

James stopped a fat out of shape dude who showed up with no trainer. When I box I sell out arenas or stadiums. When James boxes he sells out his soul

I don’t need to bow to you Sir Eddie. I’m following my path and I’m not your lady of loose morals. I’m happy to work hard for it, to gamble with it and to be patient with it. Make me a sensible offer.

At which point Eddie showed George up with:

It sells and the split is not up to us Paddy. It’s a vacant title [so it’s] 50/50,

Is Groves going to duck Degale or will we have another big domestic SMW showdown this year? And who would your prediction be on?

My money would be on Degale winning a close points decision in a fight that is far improved from their first encounter in terms of a spectacle. The level of childishness from both parties should reach new levels of idiocy though. Fast disliking Groves when he opens his mouth, can only be compared for the disdain I have for Khan when he speaks his tripe.

ERM truss, the first Groves - Degale fight sold out the O2 itself, the other fight was Cleverly versus Braehmer but Braehmer pulled out last minute. That fight wasn't selling to the masses it was Groves and Degale that sold it.

Put Degale in front of some SSN camera spouting his mouth off about how chunky he is and is gonna smash up the ugly ginger kid and Groves defending his corner. The fight would spread like wildfire, way bigger than the 02, definite stadium fight. Not saying Degale is a stadium fighter, but the hatred for Degale could easily sell it down the river to be a stadium fight.

Haven't you got a low opinion of the British public??...Don't judge everyone by your standards..

Tickets were sold out with Clev - Brae as the main event....Though I have no doubt many paid to watch Groves - Degale..

A two time loser vs A relative no name filling Wembley..

Do me a favor..

Who gave a F*CK about Clev-Brae?? It was GG-JdG that sold that card.

Especially after Brae bailed. The interest was in the two Londoners.

Like I said Froch - Groves transcended ....Groves is now a two time loser and no one outside Boxing has heard of Degale...

no one outside Boxing has heard of Degale...

He won olympic gold, so disagree with that entirely on the bluntness of the statement.

Nobody has heard of an Olympic gold medal winner?

DeGail's name probably resonate more with the general public than Groves.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Like I said Froch - Groves transcended ....Groves is now a two time loser and no one outside Boxing has heard of Degale...

Who had heard of Nate Clev - but you're trying to suggest the arena was sold off the back of him versus an actual nobody??!?!?!

Clev - Brae...Groves- Degale wasn't in a stadium was it ??

Wembley might be pushing it but I don't see any reason they couldn't make it a stadium fight right now. Stamford Bridge or the Emirates being the obvious choices.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Clev - Brae...Groves- Degale wasn't in a stadium was it ??

O2 Truss. I was there that night and can state that I bought tickets on the back of the card as a whole. Only after Braehmer dropped out did the Groves Degale fight intensify.

On the back of the card as a whole..............As did many I'm sure.............

They all didn't just come for Groves - Degale.........

I'll be honest I don't care who wins between Groves and Degale..........But I wanted Groves to beat Froch !!

I'm not sure I'd buy ppv for it either...............

It's a good fight but it's not an EVENT !!..

If being nasty to eachother sold out stadiums then Bellew-Clev would have been in one..

I'd buy it, I know I would. Two Londoners, tapped into the football fan rivalry, the history between the two.... Add the Sky promotion, montage after dramatic montage.... It'd do +45k tickets, if priced sensibly, without too much hassle I'd have thought.

George Groves probably KOs Anthony Dirrell. But Andre Dirrell beats DeGale by UD.

Truss, haven't you heard Clev Bellew 3 will be in the millennium stadium? Almost p1ssed my sides hearing Tony suggest that.

Jesus wept, if they were fighting in my garden, I'd close the curtains!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
If being nasty to eachother sold out stadiums then Bellew-Clev would have been in one..

Both Bellew and Clev got badly exposed when they stepped up. Groves took credit from his defeats and the fight with DeGale would be for a strap. Not PPV for me but enough for Eddie and Sky. A couple of hundred thousand sales is viable for Murdock's gang.

Dipper Brown wrote:Truss, haven't you heard Clev Bellew 3 will be in the millennium stadium? Almost p1ssed my sides hearing Tony suggest that.

Jesus wept, if they were fighting in my garden, I'd close the curtains!

Maybe bellew knew they both had tickets for the rugby on Friday, and was expecting things to get a bit tasty after a few sherbets.

They'll have to negotiate all the hen parties in their pink cowboy hats to get to each other first Milky!

God I hate rugby!

You can generally view how big a fight it is by Youtube views on the build up to fights, Groves and Degales arguement on ringside got hundreds of thousands of views, Cleverly Braehmer got hundreds. Yeah, they all came to see Cleverly... Cleverly/Braehmer, proper O2 filler that is...

AlexHuckerby wrote:You can generally view how big a fight it is by Youtube views on the build up to fights, Groves and Degales arguement on ringside got hundreds of thousands of views, Cleverly Braehmer got hundreds. Yeah, they all came to see Cleverly... Cleverly/Braehmer, proper O2 filler that is...

What a load of crap..............

Degale is a no name.......Groves is damaged goods...........

Undemanding sorts like yourself might think it's a huge fight...

Why would the common sports fan be interested in this ???

The common fan was the reason Froch-Groves sold out Wembley and did great PPV numbers !!..............The protagonists and the first fight ending hit a nerve with the sporting community.......

I couldn't care less who wins this fight..............I cared about Groves - Froch 2..

Well, considering the first fight was seriously talked about in newspapers etc. when both were simply novices and considering one of them has filled out Wembley and one was chief support to it. Groves has always been a big name, has far more twitter followers than nearly every other British boxer in britain bar Froch, Haye and Khan. Degale could easily put the spite into it and get people talking again. If you're suggesting the rematch won't be bigger then you're rather easily misled, or just plain daft, I vote for both.

There will be more interest in Groves v DeGale 2 than you are crediting. It looks like it easilys fills the O2 and will be PPV.

It's also a good fight and has the intrigue generated from how close the first fight was. Throw in its a title fight and it sells.

Dipper Brown wrote:They'll have to negotiate all the hen parties in their pink cowboy hats to get to each other first Milky!

God I hate rugby!

A Welshman who hates rugby. You'll be saying you don't like leeks next.

milkyboy wrote:

Dipper Brown wrote:They'll have to negotiate all the hen parties in their pink cowboy hats to get to each other first Milky!

God I hate rugby!

A Welshman who hates rugby. You'll be saying you don't like leeks next.

depends whether or not he makes it to the toilet in time

Strongback wrote:There will be more interest in Groves v DeGale 2 than you are crediting.  It looks like it easilys fills the O2 and will be PPV.

It's also a good fight and has the intrigue generated from how close the first fight was.  Throw in its a title fight and it sells.

Never said it wouldn't fill the o2.......P**s off anyway..... I'm not debating the village idiot..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:There will be more interest in Groves v DeGale 2 than you are crediting.  It looks like it easilys fills the O2 and will be PPV.

It's also a good fight and has the intrigue generated from how close the first fight was.  Throw in its a title fight and it sells.

Never said it wouldn't fill the o2.......P**s off anyway..... I'm not debating the village idiot..

It would be pointless debating yourself.

Though being married I'm sure you're used to it.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:You can generally view how big a fight it is by Youtube views on the build up to fights, Groves and Degales arguement on ringside got hundreds of thousands of views, Cleverly Braehmer got hundreds. Yeah, they all came to see Cleverly... Cleverly/Braehmer, proper O2 filler that is...

What a load of crap..............

Only one spouting crap is you, again, Truss. Can't back up any of your baloney as usual.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:You can generally view how big a fight it is by Youtube views on the build up to fights, Groves and Degales arguement on ringside got hundreds of thousands of views, Cleverly Braehmer got hundreds. Yeah, they all came to see Cleverly... Cleverly/Braehmer, proper O2 filler that is...

What a load of crap..............

Only one spouting crap is you, again, Truss.  Can't back up any of your baloney as usual.

I haven't backed it up .........In fairness though to Alex he does know something about Boxing.....

If I was you I'd leave us to it !!

Leave you to embarassing yourself??

Ok.....

Yep..............

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:There will be more interest in Groves v DeGale 2 than you are crediting.  It looks like it easilys fills the O2 and will be PPV.

It's also a good fight and has the intrigue generated from how close the first enfight was.  Throw in its a title fight and it sells.

Never said it wouldn't fill the o2.......P**s off anyway..... I'm not debating the village idiot..

You're not debating because you are already losing.

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:There will be more interest in Groves v DeGale 2 than you are crediting.  It looks like it easilys fills the O2 and will be PPV.

It's also a good fight and has the intrigue generated from how close the first enfight was.  Throw in its a title fight and it sells.

Never said it wouldn't fill the o2.......P**s off anyway..... I'm not debating the village idiot..

You're not debating because you are already losing.  

Give us a kiss.

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Easier than the guy he's beat twice already??

Better the devil you know etc....

First of all of all we are talking about pro boxing not an Amateur fight about 10 years ago, also did he REALLY beat him?, its on youtube let people go and see for them selves..

Second of all if you think Groves found it easy against Degale in there pro fight then you obviously don't know much about boxing..

And no, JdG wasn't remotely 'unlucky' in their first fight.  It was close but he didn't do enough to win, GG comprehensively out-thought him.  JdG is a very talented boxer, but he doesn't come with a Plan B or have the nowse to come up with one on the hoof.

I don't think you really know what your talking about. Its not just me who thinks Degale won the fight, most of the pundits do as well, close yes but they think he won there for I think its fair to say he was unlucky to loose it..  And your claim that he does not have a plan B comes from what fight?? He has beaten most very convincingly so has not needed a plan B I think he looked a bit lost in that Fight against the French champ, although he had also been through the mill with Warren and not fight much at that time ... He finished the stronger in the Groves fight after Groves flustered him in the early mid rounds, came back from a Very hairy moment when he won he Euro Strap to out box the guy for the rest of the fight, and you don't win gold medals if you are not able to be tactical.... You just dont like the guy, its pretty clear.

He'd have a better chance of beating GG if he got a proper trainer in his corner, not that current prat.

Hmmm But they seem pretty close and loyal,  I also have felt Degale may have needed a new trainer in the past but his last two performances have been very solid, so I cant really criticise McDonald if his fighter is on form, Its also a bit of a coincidence he is looking a bit sharper and more confident since his groin injury has apparently cleared up.

However Groves on the other hand lost a great trainer in Booth who obviously was behind his good showing against Degale, and since he has left has been KOed twice and and has not exactly looked on fire in his last two fights..  Although I cant see him going back to Booth now.

Some people talk Love sacks, Groves and Degales first fight was pretty big, since then Groves had a big fight with Froch and then the rematch in a packed out Wembley Stadium, where Degale also put on a class showing in front of all watching. Then theres all the press on Froch and his mandatory British rival Degale has also got the headlines.. Given also that if Degale wins he would make history as the first Brit to ever win a gold and a world title... and people do not think its a big fight?, its a massive fight. and also a great fight. I think Degale takes it but Groves is a good fighter who you can never right off...

Anthony Dirrell has been granted a voluntary defence by the WBC, likely to be Badou Jack. George Groves will have to wait an extra 4 months for his shot.

... no problem Gerry. Groves is a stadium fighter, he can take a tune up at wembley or the emirates.

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Easier than the guy he's beat twice already??

Better the devil you know etc....

First of all of all we are talking about pro boxing not an Amateur fight about 10 years ago, also did he REALLY beat him?, its on youtube let people go and see for them selves..

The result is on Boxrec, the L is against DeGale's name, not GG's. I watched it live and scored it to GG by 1 round, re-watched and scored it to GG by 2 rounds. James 'No Plan B' De Gale was out-thought and did nothing to 'win' the fight.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Easier than the guy he's beat twice already??

Better the devil you know etc....

First of all of all we are talking about pro boxing not an Amateur fight about 10 years ago, also did he REALLY beat him?, its on youtube let people go and see for them selves..

The result is on Boxrec, the L is against DeGale's name, not GG's.  I watched it live and scored it to GG by 1 round, re-watched and scored it to GG by 2 rounds.  Jim 'No Plan B' Mc Donnell was out-thought and did nothing to 'win' the fight.

Fixed that for ya

I scored the fight a draw............Happy to see it go either way..........

To be fair to Degale.............Mike Spinks has beaten Holmes twice on paper..........and Chavez has a draw with Whittaker.......

Not sure how much mileage winning a contentious decision plays these days....Yep Groves has the victory but he didn't really BEAT Degale..

I had it to groves by a whisker, but you couldn't have argued it going the other way. A very close fight. Certainly no robbery

No argument it could have gone either way. Any scorecard up to 2 rounds each way would be reasonable. But Tunes is being a bell end if he thinks DeGale won by several rounds and was robbed. Either that or genuinely fooking stupid.