Duran vs Mayweather

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:33 am

I'm ashamed I use to say Mayweather boxes Durans ears off.

Does he f..k. I have been watching a lot more old Duran fights and I have to say I would pick him to win a close fight with Floyd. I can't ignore the fights with Castillo and Maidana.

Floyd beat both guys but he did struggle with the aggressive style. Duran is more aggressive and a FAR more talented boxer than both guys.

Floyd is a wonderful boxer and no doubt he would more likely land the cleaner punches but Duran would out hustle him and win a decision in his prime.

by Coxy001 Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:37 am

Depends.

LW I'd pick Floyd to win a fairly wide UD.

WW - If Duran fought the current version of Floyd who struggled past Maidana/appears to have lost a bit of his foot speed then he'd spank him.

WW - If he fought the version of Floyd who no-one could barely lay a glove on when in his pomp I'd fancy FMJ to do a Alvarez on him and simply befuddle the more cruder fighter with all sorts of feints and rolls in a boxing masterclass.

Better fight would've been Duran vs Pacman, which I'd struggle to pick a winner from.

Styles. Styles. Styles.

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:40 am

Castillo gave Floyd fits in his first fight at LW and the rematch was not as wide as some will have you believe.

I do not struggle to pick a winner from Duran vs Pacquiao.

Duran can box when he needs to and I think he could throw a similar punch to what Marquez did and knock Manny out.

I am maybe a bit biased because Duran has certainly become my favourite fighter.

by Coxy001 Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:52 am

The second Castillo fight was a wide UD with only one winner, to say Castillo got near him in that fight is a bit absurd.

Overlooked fact is that he knackered his shoulder right at the end of training and had surgery on it. In the rematch, fit and healthy, he won a convincing UD.

Revisionism at its best with that fight.

by Krash85 Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:55 am

Would be a good fight I just can't see past floyd at any weight. The Duran pacquiao fight would be an amazing fight to watch for how ever long it lasts though, can't bring myself to pick a winner

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:56 am

Regardless if it was comfortable, Castillo is hardly anything near Duran.

Floyd is an amazing boxer and I have defended him more than most.

Just think that Duran was a special fighter and could give Mayweather fits. Google what roger Mayweather has to say about Duran.

He reckons Duran would give Floyd a serious test and that Duran is a beast.

by Krash85 Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:19 am

Durans also lost to a few slick boxers or boxer punchers! Floyd at lower weights was actually hard puncher, Duran can't knock him out and it would have to be on points I struggle to find fighters than could beat floyd on points (outwith Hearns and leanord and that would still be close)!

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:22 am

I still have Duran in points.

Duran at lightweight was a beast.

The only things that stand against him is "no mas" and Hearns rolling him like a drunk (just for you Truss)

Duran was a very crafty fighter. Floyd has the talent to beat Duran but I also believe the reverse is true.

To be honest the way Mayweather is acting recently he would probably not bother fighting him. Too dangerous.

by **88Chris05** Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:32 am

Surprised that people are calling Duran-Pacquiao as a 50:50. I think it's a fight which very much favours Duran. Pacquiao's speed is going to give Roberto some problems but as the far more intelligent fighter whose real problems came against sharp counter punchers or movers who made his occasional lack of patience count against him, along with being the better and stronger man inside, I'd have to make Duran a clear favourite. I think Pacquiao gets overwhelmed to a late rounds stoppage.

As for Duran against Floyd, it winds me up when people unequivocally back one or the other and come out with lines such as, "Duran doesn't win a round" or "Mayweather struggled with Castillo, what do you think Duran would do to him!?" One-eyed, manufactured stuff.

If you want to take the best performances of Duran and deliberately ignore his poorer ones, and then pit those best showings against the worst of Floyd, then of course you can make it appear a mis-match in Duran's favour. Same applies in reverse.

Taking a broader look at things I think it's a pick 'em. Don't underestimate the outstanding quality of Duran's performances against Buchanan, De Jesus (III), Palomino and Leonard (I). Those fights show that, as well as being a hard hitter with great inside fighting ability, he also had slickness, subtle moves and ring IQ to go with the more obvious and more widely-recognised aspects of his game. They also somewhat put the bed the idea that he was always toast against really good technicians.

Floyd has fought at a constantly high level of performance throughout his career, but even a showing like the ones he put on against Alvarez, Hatton and Judah, which are amongst his best, would likely fall short against the Duran of the aforementioned fights.

Of course, while Duran could beat high-rank pure boxers, he was also sometimes made to look poor against them; De Jesus gave him kittens for a fight and a half, Leonard was beating him all night long in the 'No Mas' fight and Benitez dominanted him - and Floyd is a level above Wilfred, as brilliant as the Puerto Rican was. Before anyone says it, I believe that Duran was no more past his best by the time of the Benitez fight than Mayweather is now, either. Like Floyd of today, he may well have lost a little of his lustre, but the years which followed show that he was anything but fully spent, so the severity of the lesson Benitez gave him can't be ignored, particularly as Duran drove himself harder in training for that fight than just about any other - as confirmed by himself.

I think the pair of them are evenly matched and it's simply a case of whoever turns up with that extra 5% on the night wins, in the large majority of cases on points. Looking at who was more prone to dips, I'd argue that the man bringing that additional 5% slightly more often than not would be Floyd, so on that basis I might make him a 55:45 favourite, but neither of them is a clear bet over the other.

by ONETWOFOREVER Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:42 am

Mayweather would handle Duran quite easily.

I know most on here hate Mayweather but you can't debate this one. Duran was good at beating up fighters who had know plan b. Mayweather is a master just like Leonard and just like Benitez who both beat Duran and before you go off about the first fight remember this.

Leonard decided to fight Duran;s fight to prove a point, he lost but went the distance and beat Duran at his own game. Duran was what I like to describe as a GBB GLORIFIED BAR BRAWLER. He was good at what he did and was exciting but his boxing IQ was very low and it showed against higher IQ retaining fighters.

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:43 am

I picked Duran by the smallest of margins. Just think he could physc Floyd out a little.

I am far from a Floyd hater as everyone well knows but I call it like I see it.

I just think Duran would out hustle him and win a close points decision. In a series of fights, both guys would get their hands raised in my opinion.

Definitely agree with Duran vs Manny. Manny is faster but that is it. I think Duran would do a number on him to be honest.

by ONETWOFOREVER Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:45 am

[quote="88Chris05"
Taking a broader look at things I think it's a pick 'em. Don't underestimate the outstanding quality of Duran's performances against Buchanan, De Jesus (III), Palomino and Leonard (I). Those fights show that, as well as being a hard hitter with great inside fighting ability, he also had slickness, subtle moves and ring IQ to go with the more obvious and more widely-recognised aspects of his game. They also somewhat put the bed the idea that he was always toast against really good technicians.

.[/quote]

Sorry Chris I like you but this is totally incorrect.

by hazharrison Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:39 pm

Easy one this: Floyd wouldn't have fought him.

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:40 pm

hazharrison wrote:Easy one this: Floyd wouldn't have fought him.

Would Arum or Roach let Manny fight him??

by **superflyweight** Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:42 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Mayweather would handle Duran quite easily.

I know most on here hate Mayweather but you can't debate this one. Duran was good at beating up fighters who had know plan b. Mayweather is a master just like Leonard and just like Benitez who both beat Duran and before you go off about the first fight remember this.

Leonard decided to fight Duran;s fight to prove a point, he lost but went the distance and beat Duran at his own game. Duran was what I like to describe as a GBB GLORIFIED BAR BRAWLER. He was good at what he did and was exciting but his boxing IQ was very low and it showed against higher IQ retaining fighters.

Sorry ONETWO, I think you're an idiot but this post is totally incorrect.

by hazharrison Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:48 pm

AdamT wrote:
hazharrison wrote:Easy one this: Floyd wouldn't have fought him.

Would Arum or Roach let Manny fight him??

I would imagine so - Arum put him in with Marquez, Barrera and Morales umpteen times.

by milkyboy Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:49 pm

From a tactical perspective, duran's mid range tactics against hagler, refusing to commit and countering was an exercise on what a rounded fighter he could be when he chose to.

I don't think he wins the same battle against floyd, so his best chance in this is to force the pace a la Leonard 1.

They're both each other's worst nightmare stylistically. When two great fighters meet there are no guarantees. Assuming they both bring their a game, I have a slight leaning to duran at lightweight... At welter where he was a little less mobile I lean to floyd.

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:50 pm

hazharrison wrote:
AdamT wrote:
hazharrison wrote:Easy one this: Floyd wouldn't have fought him.

Would Arum or Roach let Manny fight him??

I would imagine so - Arum put him in with Marquez, Barrera and Morales umpteen times.

True, his recent opposition has been fantastic as well!

by hazharrison Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:58 pm

Floyd was at his best at super feather - Duran (obviously) at lightweight. It would have been a better fight down there with Duran as aggressor and Floyd on his jet-heeled bike.

When Duran was at his best - think the volcano-like intensity he brought to the ring against Leonard - I don't believe Mayweather could have overcome it. Leonard had planned to box against Duran but was given little option other than to hold his feet and fight for his life.

Mayweather is better at biding his time, adjusting to his opponent and then picking them off. He wouldn't have had that opportunity against Duran - who'd have been crawling all over him. We haven't seen how Mayweather would deal with that level of opposition and so I'd have to go with Duran.

As I said, though: Floyd would never have fought him.

by hazharrison Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:06 pm

Angelo Dundee (Hall of Fame trainer of Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard, among many others): “Oh gosh, Duran’s a living legend. And one of the best fighters today is Floyd Mayweather. That would be some fight. I tell you – it would be Floyd Mayweather’s toughest encounter. Duran against a guy with quick hands like Mayweather – he could nullify that. Duran offset quick hands through feints, head feints, foot feints and foot movements. He was a complete fighter. He had all that stuff going for him. Then he nails you. Then he bulls you too. Mayweather would be facing something he never faced before. You’re saying the fight would be at lightweight? I like Duran. Duran was slick, smart, body puncher, made you fall short with punches. At lightweight I would like Duran. He could get under your skin too. He could con you. He had ways to bother you. He was like Muhammad Ali in that way, but he couldn’t speak English. Duran was a real psyche artist.

“It’s tough. Mayweather always rises to the occasion. He impresses the hell out of me. I knew Duran from the inception – he trained at the Fifth Street Gym (Miami). I watched him all the time. A guy I trained, Duran was working with him – Vinnie Curto. A lightweight hurting a middleweight. There was no smarter, cuter fighter than Vinnie Curto. The only thing that bothered Duran was a long, left jab. And Mayweather doesn’t have that. Certain guys give certain guys problems. We haven’t seen what gives Mayweather problems. Are we talking 15 rounds? I like Duran. I like Duran. You’re talking about Mayweather going 15 rounds. Duran was pressure, pressure. He was strong. He could punch. God, he was a great lightweight. He takes advantage of every little thing. And he did it smooth, with grace. Everything was slick and smart. I like Duran.”

by Rodney Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:07 pm

hazharrison wrote:

As I said, though: Floyd would never have fought him.

Bingo.

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:18 pm

Floyd would probably have hand picked Rios or Algeri instead. Oh wait!

by milkyboy Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:20 pm

He seems to imply he thinks mayweather's quite good too though, and it might be different at a higher weight and fewer rounds. Me and Angelo, we can call a fight. Whistle

Who did mayweather shy away from in his early days before he got so almighty he could choose all his opponents.

by Krash85 Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:26 pm

Can't see Duran winning floyd would pick any tactic to win whether it be jab and hold for 12 rounds he would get the win IMO good fight but more often than not mayweather winning no matter the weight.

As for pacquiao Duran I see chris thinks its Duran all day but I think pacquiaos speed would be maybe to much great fight all the same

by **ShahenshahG** Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:52 pm

Think Chris has it more or less spot on. But to the poster above who suggested jab and hold vs Duran that's crazy. Floyd going to have to run and run fast. One thing you don't wanna do is let duran anywhere near your body because he can slip through any clinch and land beautfiul clean punches to the body that would ask questions of any one. Think Haz makes a great point about Mayweather not really having fought at this level whereas duran has. So I agree with Chris reasoning but my 5% is in favour of Duran. Tight UD or SD

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:53 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:Think Chris has it more or less spot on. But to the poster above who suggested jab and hold vs Duran that's crazy. Floyd going to have to run and run fast. One thing you don't wanna do is let duran anywhere near your body because he can slip through any clinch and land beautfiul clean punches to the body that would ask questions of any one. Think Haz makes a great point about Mayweather not really having fought at this level whereas duran has. So I agree with Chris reasoning but my 5% is in favour of Duran. Tight UD or SD

I agree

by hazharrison Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:51 pm

milkyboy wrote:He seems to imply he thinks mayweather's quite good too though, and it might be different at a higher weight and fewer rounds. Me and Angelo, we can call a fight.

Who did mayweather shy away from in his early days before he got so almighty he could choose all his opponents.

He didn't shy away from anyone until Castillo almost burst his bubble. The split decision in the Oscar fight (a fight he looked a clear winner in) sealed the deal (he refused Oscar a rematch - a fight he'd have made mega bucks from).

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:54 pm

hazharrison wrote:
milkyboy wrote:He seems to imply he thinks mayweather's quite good too though, and it might be different at a higher weight and fewer rounds. Me and Angelo, we can call a fight.

Who did mayweather shy away from in his early days before he got so almighty he could choose all his opponents.

He didn't shy away from anyone until Castillo almost burst his bubble. The split decision in the Oscar fight (a fight he looked a clear winner in) sealed the deal (he refused Oscar a rematch - a fight he'd have made mega bucks from).

I actually agree to an extent about him taking low risk since Oscar.

I think Floyd is a master boxer but it is clear to be seen he doesn't take risks (his fighting style included)

by Krash85 Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:00 pm

Shah it all depends on how good you are at tying your opponent up when they come inside Floyd's vastly underrated on the inside (although not as good as Duran)

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:05 pm

Lightweight - pickem
Light welter - pickem...

Mayweather above...

by Coxy001 Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:08 pm

I actually agree to an extent about him taking low risk since Oscar.

I think if you put that version of Oscar up against both Cotto & Alvarez Oscar would have lost both against both. Please note I'm saying "that" version of Oscar.

I hardly think Floyd giving away a Poopie load of weight against two big guys @ 154 was exactly going down the easy route.

Prior to those two fights if you'd asked people to give a top 3 of who could beat Mayweather you'd have been looking @:

Pacquiao
Cotto
Alvarez
(sub the last 2 with Trout possibly)

Not sure who else he should have gone up to face, Froch? Ward? Wlad?!

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:08 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Lightweight - pickem
Light welter - pickem...

Mayweather above...

Suprised with your picks Truss. I know you do rate Duran but didn't think that highly.

by AdamT Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:10 pm

Coxy001 wrote:
I actually agree to an extent about him taking low risk since Oscar.

I think if you put that version of Oscar up against both Cotto & Alvarez Oscar would have lost both against both. Please note I'm saying "that" version of Oscar.

I hardly think Floyd giving away a Poopie load of weight against two big guys @ 154 was exactly going down the easy route.

Prior to those two fights if you'd asked people to give a top 3 of who could beat Mayweather you'd have been looking @:

Pacquiao
Cotto
Alvarez
(sub the last 2 with Trout possibly)

Think he could of fought Cotto earlier or Margarito after Cotto (obviously before we knew he was a cheat)

He definitely should of fought Manny but as I have said, I believe both camps are at fault there. Manny was hardly shouting from the rooftops until he had tax problems and lower PPV numbers.

Not sure who else he should have gone up to face, Froch? Ward? Wlad?!

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:15 pm

11 on my list....Only reason he isn't higher is because no Top 10 fighter should be humiliated like he was against Tommy..

Biggest overachiever Boxing ever had.......

Like Rosario though take his rap at away and he could be schooled off top technicians...

Won the last round againt Marv he's probably Top 4..

by Strongback Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:16 pm

Duran not only takes Floyd's '0' he brutally knocks him out.

We are taking a Top 10 fighter in Duran versus maybe a Top 40 fighter in Mayweather.

Duran is all wrong for Floyd. The pace would be too hot and May doesn't like that. Without time and room aligned with the quality of Duran's offence this fight only goes one way.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:31 pm

Strongback wrote:Duran not only takes Floyd's '0' he brutally knocks him out.

We are taking a Top 10 fighter in Duran versus maybe a Top 40 fighter in Mayweather.

Duran is all wrong for Floyd. The pace would be too hot and May doesn't like that. Without time and room aligned with the quality of Duran's offence this fight only goes one way.

Top 50 last week..........Things are looking up..

by **Seanusarrilius** Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:51 pm

Duran wins on aggression as Floyd can't hurt him. I think SRL beats Floyd and Hearns does too. Floyd is a great of a poor era. These guys were greats of the sport.

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:56 pm

Don't think the weight matters an awful lot, they were simliar fighters maybe floyd punched harder at 135 but that's about it which doesn't matter much as he isn't stopping duran

Ummm hard to choose, it'll be close regardless feel that duran will outwork and rough floyd up while floyd lands the cleaner shots. Duran is a class above anything floyd's fought whereas duran has fought fighters of floyd's ability with mixed results albeit. Just think that Floyd can be guilty of not working when he's under pressure and fell duran will be cute enough to get him against the ropes and work enough to sway the judges in his favour

Feel Duran beats pacquiao 9/10, pacquiao that beat cotto has a good chance with his power, speed strength etc but duran is the smarter fighter he likes fighting fire with fire and would happily go shot for shot with pac and I don't think pac is as tough as roberto was

by Strongback Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:28 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Strongback wrote:Duran not only takes Floyd's '0' he brutally knocks him out.

We are taking a Top 10 fighter in Duran versus maybe a Top 40 fighter in Mayweather.

Duran is all wrong for Floyd. The pace would be too hot and May doesn't like that. Without time and room aligned with the quality of Duran's offence this fight only goes one way.

Top 50 last week..........Things are looking up..

It was a typo.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:32 pm

Seanusarrilius wrote:Duran wins on aggression as Floyd can't hurt him. I think SRL beats Floyd and Hearns does too. Floyd is a great of a poor era. These guys were greats of the sport.

Dejesus decked him.............Viruet went the distance TWICE.............at lightweight...

Complete bollox......

by Strongback Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:34 pm

Floyd went life and death with a fighter Amir Khan out boxed.

Castillo also won the 1st fight.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:40 pm

Anyone who has Mayweather Top 40 is not worth debating with............end of !!!. ....

People are overselling Duran and unselling Mayweather at his best weight...Always happens.

Bit like those muppets who say Louis takes the center of the ring against Foreman... jabs him to death and then bangs him out in 3.....

Let's look at the facts...........

Did Mayweather have the skills of Dejesus, Benitez, Leonard types ?..........Yep..

Could Duran's aggressiveness get the ordinary Viruet out of there ?..........Nope..

Did Duran ever fight anyone as skilled as Mayweather at 135 ?........Nope.....

So how anyone can write Mayweather off so dismissively is beyond me.........

Might as well just say "I don't like Floyd so Duran beats him !!"

by Hammersmith harrier Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:41 pm

This is the point Chris made, idiots like Strongy will take the best performances of Duran and compare them with the worst of Mayweather because it suits their agenda.

The weight would make a difference, at lightweight where Duran was more consistent he'd be a slight favourite, above that the edge goes to Mayweather.

If Maidana is being mentioned then when why isn't Benitez, one of them embarrassed their opponent, the other one lost.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:44 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:This is the point Chris made, idiots like Strongy will take the best performances of Duran and compare them with the worst of Mayweather because it suits their agenda.

The weight would make a difference, at lightweight where Duran was more consistent he'd be a slight favourite, above that the edge goes to Mayweather.

If Maidana is being mentioned then when why isn't Benitez, one of them embarrassed their opponent, the other one lost.

As long as you realise Strongy is a complete idiot it's not a problem..

I have it pickem...........

I think they both are tests at that weight for eachother skill set wise.............They had never seen before !!

by **ShahenshahG** Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:45 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Anyone who has Mayweather Top 40 is not worth debating with............end of !!!. ....

People are overselling Duran and unselling Mayweather at his best weight...Always happens.

Bit like those muppets who say Louis takes the center of the ring against Foreman... jabs him to death and then bangs him out in 3.....

Let's look at the facts...........

Did Mayweather have the skills of Dejesus, Benitez, Leonard types ?..........Yep..

Could Duran's aggressiveness get the ordinary Viruet out of there ?..........Nope..

Did Duran ever fight anyone as skilled as Mayweather at 135 ?........Nope.....

So how anyone can write Mayweather off so dismissively is beyond me.........

Might as well just say "I don't like Floyd so Duran beats him !!"

Thats the entire site surely

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:47 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Anyone who has Mayweather Top 40 is not worth debating with............end of !!!. ....

People are overselling Duran and unselling Mayweather at his best weight...Always happens.

Bit like those muppets who say Louis takes the center of the ring against Foreman... jabs him to death and then bangs him out in 3.....

Let's look at the facts...........

Did Mayweather have the skills of Dejesus, Benitez, Leonard types ?..........Yep..

Could Duran's aggressiveness get the ordinary Viruet out of there ?..........Nope..

Did Duran ever fight anyone as skilled as Mayweather at 135 ?........Nope.....

So how anyone can write Mayweather off so dismissively is beyond me.........

Might as well just say "I don't like Floyd so Duran beats him !!"

Thats the entire site surely

Okay..

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:49 pm

Rodney wrote:
hazharrison wrote:

As I said, though: Floyd would never have fought him.

Bingo.

If there was one Champion I'm sure he might of................................FFS !!

These rose-tinters are so bitter..........

by Hammersmith harrier Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:52 pm

Well known cherry picker down at lightweight too, oh wait no he wasn't.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:54 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Well known cherry picker down at lightweight too, oh wait no he wasn't.

He's a threat to the status of the old timers !!

Woods never would have won a major If Nicklaus was around today.............Didn't you know !!

by catchweight Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:13 pm

Duran a big favourite if they were at their best but mayweather would only take him on when he was getting past it

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