Ireland v England - Match Thread

by GunsGerms Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:23 pm

First topic message reminder :

I know I am two weeks early but Ireland v England on Sunday 1st March will possibly be the 6 nations decider as both teams are the only two teams still undefeated in the 6 nations so far this year.

There are many different angles, plots and sub plots to this game. Here are some of the many things at stake:

Reaburn Shield:

Ireland have held it for 4 consecutive games having defeated previous holders SA in November.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raeburn_Shield

3rd place in rankings:

Ireland v England - Match Thread - Page 19 Rating10

Ireland v England - Match Thread - Page 19 Rating10

Triple Crown:

Only Ireland and England can still win this trophy and with due respect to Scotland and Wales who Ireland have yet to play to win it would be some achievement this year.

Grand Slam:

Only Ireland and England and win the slam.

6 nations title:
Obviously France and Wales are still in the running with only one loss but the bookies have Ireland and England as favorites at this point.

Millennium Trophy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Trophy

Eye on the WC:
The earliest Ireland and England could possibly meet at the WC is the Semi finals if they both win their pools and their quarter finals or both come runner up and win their quarters. Either way I think other fixtures such England v Wales and Ireland v France were more important for each nations WC preparations.

Ireland need one more win to tie their record of 10 sucessive wins.

Head to head record:
Overall: England 74 wins Ireland 46 wins
6Nations: England 7 wins Ireland 8 wins

Who is going to win and why?
http://www.espn.co.uk/six-nations-2015/rugby/story/256583.html
Phil Vickery predicts an England win.

Teams:

England:

Ireland:

by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:24 pm

We're trying to outplay Ireland by playing the Irish way, why?

by Geordie Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:24 pm

Well at least this might dispel the myth that we are one of the favourites for the WC.... The only WC after this performance is the toilet.

by Hood83 Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:24 pm

Mako, hmm, fingers crossed for no scrums!

by nathan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:25 pm

He actually penalised someone for not being on there feet!

by Nachos Jones Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:25 pm

Jaysus, Cole just led with his head on Healey Shocked

by JDizzle Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:26 pm

That's one of the least obvious not supporting his own weights, yet that is the one Joubert penalises...

by John Cregan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:26 pm

The head butt has replaced the old fashioned handoff.................

by nathan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:26 pm

Nachos Jones wrote:Jaysus, Cole just led with his head on Healey

Don't be stupid

by nathan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:27 pm

Come on 36, run your ragged

by formerly known as Sam Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:27 pm

Cole didn't lead with his head. He dropped the shoulder and Healey tried to wrap him up. If your stupid enough to attempt a tackle that high you might expect a blow to the face. It's why you teach kids to go low and with the shoulder.

by quinsforever Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:27 pm

JDizzle wrote:That's one of the least obvious not supporting his own weights, yet that is the one Joubert penalises...

ball was on the ground and ruck formed.

by Hood83 Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:28 pm

Both of our scrum halves are ditherers.

by nathan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:28 pm

Forwards actually doing better now

by **Notch** Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:29 pm

One more score Ireland. Come on.

by JDizzle Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:29 pm

quinsforever wrote:
JDizzle wrote:That's one of the least obvious not supporting his own weights, yet that is the one Joubert penalises...
ball was on the ground and ruck formed.

What? He penalised playing the ball off his feet...

by Golden Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:29 pm

This where Earls or Fitz would have been more handy on the bench. Bowe to centre and jones on the wing

by Nachos Jones Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:29 pm

nathan wrote:
Nachos Jones wrote:Jaysus, Cole just led with his head on Healey

Don't be stupid

Huh? He did, it was damn impressive and only one winner, Cole.

by Hood83 Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:29 pm

That is pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Dithering from Wigglesworth followed by an aimless kick.

by Cowshot Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:30 pm

Good to see us fighting back. Sometimes you just have to accept you've been outplayed and fight back by inches. It's probably not going to be enough to win this game, but I'm glad to see the fight.

by nathan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:30 pm

We're still in this, but I doubt we'll win

by Geordie Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:31 pm

What's that for?

by nathan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:31 pm

Agh 36!

by Golden Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:32 pm

Why does every Irish game have to end with tight finish

by Hood83 Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:32 pm

Oh that is a terrible decision.

by LeinsterFan4life Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:32 pm

Ireland always stop playing when they have the lead...

by nathan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:32 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:What's that for?

Obstruction, he ran in to 36

by Hood83 Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:33 pm

That's the game right there.

by quinsforever Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:33 pm

JDizzle wrote:
quinsforever wrote:
JDizzle wrote:That's one of the least obvious not supporting his own weights, yet that is the one Joubert penalises...
ball was on the ground and ruck formed.

What? He penalised playing the ball off his feet...

i know. his weight was on the ball

by Gwlad Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:33 pm

this is fast becoming a contest of who is less stupid, ireland stop playing while england go shot then they have width for a score….what i thought would be a superb spectacle has turned into a dreary dirge

by Nachos Jones Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:33 pm

Golden wrote:Why does every Irish game have to end with tight finish

Because its Schmidts plan...

by MarcusHalberstram Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:33 pm

Ireland look in trouble after the raft of subs... Come on boys, hold on!

by quinsforever Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:34 pm

my bbc feed is a bit dodgy. wasnt that a try? what did i miss?

by Hood83 Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:34 pm

What was that for?

by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:35 pm

Cole having a strong 2nd half

by nathan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:35 pm

What? That didn't go forward did it?

by Geordie Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:35 pm

Ah that went back...

by Nachos Jones Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:35 pm

Garsh on England there, that looked backwards to me.

by Hood83 Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:36 pm

Gwlad wrote:this is fast becoming a contest of who is less stupid, ireland stop playing while england go shot then they have width for a score….what i thought would be a superb spectacle has turned into a dreary dirge

Haha. We have been braindead haven't we. We've been completely second best, but I do think some of the ref decisions could have gone our way and got us a lot closer on the scoreboard.

by nobbled Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:36 pm

Delayed the put in - clever

by Gwlad Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:37 pm

quinsforever wrote:my bbc feed is a bit dodgy. wasnt that a try? what did i miss?

only another england foul up, easter this time

by Geordie Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:37 pm

Twelvetrees is crap. Drop him out the squad!!!

by jbeadlesbigrighthand Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:37 pm

How many penalties have England given away now? Terrible.

by quinsforever Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:37 pm

aviva's 50,00 refs getting the better of joubert too.

lets hope HQ has a similar impact on refs at RWC

by Hood83 Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:38 pm

Calamitous.

by kingelderfield Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:39 pm

Probably a little early for Cipriani

by Geordie Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:40 pm

Your kidding me on??!!!!

by Golden Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:40 pm

by Nachos Jones Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:41 pm

Oh dear, that is harsh. That didn't look forward at all.

Not the best of games but kept England tryless.

by formerly known as Sam Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:41 pm

Joubert is not an international standard ref.

England seem to have several players that are not international quality players.

Ireland have a very good strategy and a well versed team. Don't look the same team without Sexton. Also thought Murray should have been man of the match not Henshaw.

by nathan Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:41 pm

Congrats Ireland, trying to work out which was worse. The reffing team or England

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